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r2ana
post 18.Sep.2012, 07:45 PM
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Hello every one
Can you describe me the new life in Sweden is easy or difficult.
I only can speak English.
What is the work condition in Sweden.
I am only 25 year old.
I will highly appreciate your discuses with me.
Thanks a lot.
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Migga
post 18.Sep.2012, 08:39 PM
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Hi

Well life in Sweden can be the best in the world, good, bad or even the worst in the world. It depends on who you are and what situation you are in. So let me ask you some questions;

What made you choose Sweden? Do you have any ties to the country? Family? Friends? Have you been to Sweden before? Worked there? Studied there? Vacation there?

You don`t know the language, what else do you lack? Do you have any experience of the culture? The norms? Values? Traditions? Way of life? Climate?

I`d say that with no ties or prior experience it will be a hard process. No matter what country. You should be aware that, when it comes to work in Sweden, that 25% of people up to the age of 25 yers old don`t have a job. It`s mostly young people with low education and young immigrants.
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r2ana
post 18.Sep.2012, 08:49 PM
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Thanks For reply!
I am telecom engineer with 4 year experience with multinational company's.
I worked before with MTN. Huawie , alcatle, Ericsson, ect.
I have also best engineer certificate from my company.
I have full idea about New Mobile site So i will prefer to look also like this job.
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cogito
post 19.Sep.2012, 12:43 PM
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Sweden is more difficult to adjust to than the U.K. or Europe in most ways. Finding work and making friends can take time.
But in some ways sweden is easier. This is because, as there is not the broad range of choice that one finds elsewhere, making everyday decisions is simple. In fact, many things are decided for you by the state.
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Shibumi
post 19.Sep.2012, 12:51 PM
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cogito, could you please list some things that the state decides for you in Sweden? This is a genuine question, not intended to start a flame war. I live in Sweden, and I can't think of any examples of decisions made for me by the state, so perhaps I am missing something...?
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byke
post 19.Sep.2012, 01:04 PM
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I can add one off the top of my head.

The state decides both where and when people should be allowed to buy alcohol from by not allowing such to be sold other than by their own monopoly.
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cogito
post 19.Sep.2012, 01:04 PM
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shibumi, Am on my way to a meeting so will just throw stuff out off the top of my heaad...

Buying alcohol, where and when.

Pensions.

Healthcare access

But most of all
the state obliges us to have a government Identity number, without which you cannot buy prescription medicine, rent a video or DVD, have a proper bank account or indeed carry out most financial transactions and a host of other everyday activities.
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byke
post 19.Sep.2012, 01:10 PM
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I think what the state is most renowned more so is "kettling".

The ability to persuade a situation by removing other alternatives means or making the choice for other alternatives much harder or at a disadvantage.
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skogsbo
post 19.Sep.2012, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 19.Sep.2012, 01:04 PM) *
The state decides both where and when people should be allowed to buy alcohol from by not allowing such to be sold other than by their own monopoly.

So the state does not let you buy your drugs 24/7, hardly the end of the world. But it will let you buy it and then drink when you like, it's only the sale that is restricted, not the use.

QUOTE (cogito @ 19.Sep.2012, 01:04 PM) *
Pensions.Healthcare access But most of allthe state obliges us to have a government Identity number, without which you cannot buy prescription medicine, rent a video or DVD, h ... (show full quote)

Pensions, not sure on your issue, you can have private or works pension, there are still state pensions?
Healthcare it's equal for all?
(i know this is your pet hate topic)
Personal Number, I see it as the same as the UK national insurance number, a life long identifier. Only this one has far more uses. I like how you can use you bank card online and in conjunction with your personal number data, many government and private forms can be prefilled or you can apply online securely because of it. I think the anti fraud benefits outweigh any hassle in obtaining it.
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byke
post 19.Sep.2012, 03:35 PM
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So the state does not let you buy your drugs 24/7, hardly the end of the world. But it will let you buy it and then drink when you like, it's only the sale that is restricted, not the use.


Thats a personal opinion as usual which deflects from the fact stated.
If the state controls the sales of alcohol to a specific state owned monopoly then it is as the previous poster suggests, just one of the many ways that separates Sweden from other nations in regards to "control".

Another clear example of restriction in freedom, is the 2009 language law.
While it outlined specific criteria in determining the official language of Sweden.
It also worked closely with http://www.sprakradet.se/international (An official government organization) to form these laws that specifically takes aim at the English language to reduce the amount of English used in Sweden as it represented (in their own words) a "threat to democratic values".

Any organization that looks to hinder the use of a persons right to language is a huge NO NO.

This has resulted in huge breaches of human rights in the education sector by reducing children's rights to their mother tongue language to ensure the preservation of Swedish as a national language. Thus making it illegal to teach English in schools (as a language, not a subject) for kids for more than 50% of the curriculum.


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skogsbo
post 19.Sep.2012, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 19.Sep.2012, 03:35 PM) *
Thats a personal opinion as usual which deflects from the fact stated.If the state controls the sales of alcohol to a specific state owned monopoly then it is as the previous ... (show full quote)

There is no deflection, alcohol is controlled or restricted everywhere, globally. In every single other European nation there are still laws dictating the hours alcohol can be sold at, premises require to be licenced prior to sale (shops and pubs etc.), they also set age restrictions, they set driving limits and it is taxed in every single country. Just because Sweden's laws are different or seem harsher to you personally, is that actually wrong?

QUOTE (byke @ 19.Sep.2012, 03:35 PM) *
This has resulted in huge breaches of human rights in the education sector by reducing children's rights to their mother tongue language to ensure the preservation of Swed ... (show full quote)

But you are in Sweden (if you were), why should the state schools teach in a foreign language? Do UK or US state school teach more than 50% or even 20% in any language other than English. Considering that English is the first language that Swedes are formally taught in school, before they are even 10 and many Swedes have a better grasp of English than many Brits, they are hardly avoiding the language. It's their language, their heritage, it is theirs to hold on to.Whilst it makes life harder for me and means I need to learn the language, I agree with the methodolgy.
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Yorkshireman
post 19.Sep.2012, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 19.Sep.2012, 03:35 PM) *
This has resulted in huge breaches of human rights in the education sector by reducing children's rights to their mother tongue language to ensure the preservation of Swed ... (show full quote)

Not really! ... there is modersmålsundervisning which is specifically aimed at children where at least one of the parent's mother tongue is not Swedish.

QUOTE (byke @ 19.Sep.2012, 03:35 PM) *
Thus making it illegal to teach English in schools (as a language, not a subject) for kids for more than 50% of the curriculum.

This makes perfect sense, since the objective of education, whilst we would like to believe lots of wonderful things, is basically to prepare the child for the labour market. It would be an unusual situation created otherwise, just look at how many times it is stated to newcomers that it is difficult to get a job without Swedish language ... yet You would want to increase that even more by even removing it from schools!!! blink.gif

I would describe Sweden as a Mothering State ... just far too many things to list ... it is easier just to say ...look at the reaction of politicians and others in the news when something happens, and count the number of times Your hear them say ...Maybe we should create a law about that! biggrin.gif
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skogsbo
post 19.Sep.2012, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE (Yorkshireman @ 19.Sep.2012, 03:54 PM) *
I would describe Sweden as a Mothering State ... just far too many things to list ... it is easier just to say ...look at the reaction of politicians and others in the news wh ... (show full quote)

It's a hard balance, between mothering and letting a nation run wild, where politicians daren't change laws or taxes, for fear of not getting elected again, or because some private industry financiers are funding the politician's party. Politics is a dirty game, so it's almost impossible to predict some of their motives for law making at times.
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byke
post 19.Sep.2012, 04:14 PM
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Oh great response from the hammer and the sickle.

Any nation that specifically bans the use of a language or hinders its use through things such as children's education both breaches the convention of the right of the child as well as shows a clear assertion regarding the state and its role as previously questioned. Sweden has legally signed up for this convention and it is responsible to ensure that it is not breached.

But it doesn't really matter what evidence is brought up to show this correlation between "The state decides for you" question. As it will nearly always be met with personal opinion of certain posters who cant see past their own personal views and ideology from fact.

Shall we look to address other examples of state influence?
Or will that be met with more unfounded accusations in an attempt to smear?
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skogsbo
post 19.Sep.2012, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 19.Sep.2012, 04:14 PM) *
breaches the convention of the right of the child as well as shows a clear assertion regarding the state and its role as previously questioned. Sweden has legally signed up fo ... (show full quote)

What convention is this? Specifically?
QUOTE (byke @ 19.Sep.2012, 04:14 PM) *
But it doesn't really matter what evidence is brought up to show this correlation between "The state decides for you" question. As it will nearly always be met w ... (show full quote)

Care to comment on how this might differ from say welsh or gaelic taught in Welsh or Scottish schools, or how immgrants in the UK send their kids to English state schools where they are taught in the UKs national language, English. Not, Polish, romanian, farsi, arabic etc etc.. ?

QUOTE (byke @ 19.Sep.2012, 04:14 PM) *
Shall we look to address other examples of state influence?. Or will that be met with more unfounded accusations in an attempt to smear?

Fire away, name me a nation that doesn't have state implemented laws or controls that is actually a nice place to live? Then we can dissect it's laws in comparison to Sweden? As everything is clearly wrong with Sweden, perhaps you have a vision of where is perfect for you?
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