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[byke]

And a MUCH LARGER tax paying population. Makes all the difference.

Sweden is offset with much higher taxes ... That also makes a difference.
But irrespective, what you are saying is its cheaper in the UK in this sense.

Yet You cannot get subsidised daycare (dagis) for kids in the UK, neither is parent leave payed for to the extent it is in Sweden etc... etc... Give it a rest @byke

Who mentioned day care?
And what has this to do with medical care?
Does taking your child to day care institute a rational comparison to medical care? Hardly.

No they are not. as I said earlier, it is 1 total for all children within a family. Not per child. So there is an exception.

So parents of families with only one child are put at a financial disadvantage?

[byke]

You + your children do not need to pay more that 3300 per year in total.It is your personal cap, and you children are included in that cap.Children to not have personal caps s ... (show full quote)

You + your children do not need to pay more that 3300 per year in total.
It is your personal cap, and you children are included in that cap.
Children to not have personal caps since they are a part of your cap. ... (hide full quote)

Genuine question.
If you are married does this personal family cap then become 6600 per year in total? (2 adults, X amount of kids)
Or is families based on 1 adult and X amount of children?

[Bender B Rodriquez]

I will correct the previous info: your children have a separate cap, but all children in the same family have a common cap.

That is, the mother and the father have their separate caps as usual, and the children have one common cap.

If you are 2 parents + x children, you have a total cap of 3*1100+3*2200=9900/year, however in virtually all municipalities the doctors fees for children are 0kr so in practice the total cap is 2*1100+3*2200=8800.

Also, you get a discount on medicine for all costs above 1100kr/year, so you actually have to buy medicine worth 5400kr before you spend 2200kr.

But I agree, in the interest of children the cap should be 0kr.

[skogsbo]

To count the same allowance twice would be double accounting.
It would appear you are moaning about a system you don't understand? You don't have kids in Sweden do you? Not sure quite how much time you actually spend here. Given that our childcare monthly bill is £1000 or 10000kr cheaper in Sweden I can and am quite happy to pay the odd krona for doctors or medication, its swings and roundabouts. Whilst as a taxpayer I am indirectly paying for my cheap dagis, but that's just the way society works.

Ps. The NHS is publicly acknowledged as being on the brink of collapse, even the Scottish audit office has now said all those thing it made free, only in Scotland are NOT sustainable. Why? Because tax revenue is so low.

To coin and old phrase, the UK has champagne taste, but only beer money.

[byke]

Again this has turned into a pissing contest with things that bare no relevance to the OP question regarding costs or my statement that I found it hard to understand that children have to pay for medicines.

It seems impossible to question or state any opinion based on fact without this constant attempts by some to bring in irrelevant BS to paint a disney picture.

Daycare plays no role in this discussion.
Neither does petrol prices.
Neither does unemployment benefits
Neither does road tax

[byke]

I will correct the previous info: your children have a separate cap, but all children in the same family have a common cap.That is, the mother and the father have their separa ... (show full quote)

I will correct the previous info: your children have a separate cap, but all children in the same family have a common cap.

That is, the mother and the father have their separate caps as usual, and the children have one common cap.

If you are 2 parents + x children, you have a total cap of 3*1100+3*2200=9900/year, however in virtually all municipalities the doctors fees for children are 0kr so in practice the total cap is 2*1100+3*2200=8800.

Also, you get a discount on medicine for all costs above 1100kr/year, so you actually have to buy medicine worth 5400kr before you spend 2200kr.

But I agree, in the interest of children the cap should be 0kr. ... (hide full quote)

Thankyou for that response.

I am now able to see a clear picture that any family in Stockholm can face up to paying just shy of 10,000:- a year in worst case medical scenarios. Notice how I say "Worst case" and not annual costs.

And with this clear defining line, I stand by my original comment that combined with some of the worlds highest taxes.
I dont agree that the distribution and management of such is correctly balanced at present. And that I still find the offset of medical charges to be a shock to that of my comparison of the UK in terms of medical related costs.

At less than £8 per prescription per working adult, free doctors appointments and free medical care and free medications to children and the old - It does make the direct comparison between the UK and Sweden seem naff in this respect.

But as others have pointed out, taxes in Sweden are used to fund other overheads.
Such as childcare, with the resulting additional costs being passed over to all residents - irrespective of if they use such services.

[Puffin]

I am always shocked that children in Stockholm are charged for medicines.. It just seems wrong.

All children in Sweden pay for medications - however if you have several children you are allowed to pool medication costs

Where Stockholm stands out is that they charge for children's medical care/doctors visits as there are only 2 or 3 Landsting (Health Authorities) that charge for children - they are treated free in most areas

[byke]

Where Stockholm stands out is that they charge for children's medical care/doctors visits as there are only 2 or 3 Landsting (Health Authorities) that charge for children ... (show full quote)

Where Stockholm stands out is that they charge for children's medical care/doctors visits as there are only 2 or 3 Landsting (Health Authorities) that charge for children - they are treated free in most areas ... (hide full quote)

I would like to point out that while Stockholm is included in this charge.
Stockholm accounts to the greatest mass of people anywhere in Sweden.

So combined with population numbers of similar charging authorities - could represent a considerable percentage in regards to those charged in Sweden.

It would be interesting to see on a population scale, what percentage of residents have to incur these additional costs.

[Puffin]

Not quite sure what your point is - can you explain

Stockholm charges for child healthcare - yet have a much greater taxation income both from population numbers and a higher percentage of high income earner and provides services in a limited area

Most other health authorities do not charge for child healthcare - yet have much lower incomes from taxation and must provide services over a huge geographical area of many thousands of square kilometres

However Stockholm does have the highest paid politicians in their health authority who earn well over 1 million kr/year

[redblue]

Caring for children and adolescents under 18 years in Stockholm:

Visits to hospital emergency departments (akutmottagningar): 120 SEK
(there is small fee here to encourage parents to visits other, for the taxpayers much less costly alternatives)

Visits to childcare centers (barnhälsovård): free

All other healthcare: free

http://www.vardguiden.se/Sa-funkar-det/Stod/Patientavgifter/

[skogsbo]

I think byke the point you are missing is; you are not looking at the whole package. It's easy to target something that cost kids say 500kr a year average, perhaps much less, but ignore the 100,000kr many parents now save in childcare. We don't live life by compartment, its a whole intergrated life! Judging a nation by either up front tax or individual specifics is a poor indicator.

Ps. What % of Swedish population does not live in Stockholm, the vast majority?

[byke]

Not quite sure what your point is - can you explainStockholm charges for child healthcare - yet have a much greater taxation income both from population numbers and a higher p ... (show full quote)

Not quite sure what your point is - can you explain

Stockholm charges for child healthcare - yet have a much greater taxation income both from population numbers and a higher percentage of high income earner and provides services in a limited area

Most other health authorities do not charge for child healthcare - yet have much lower incomes from taxation and must provide services over a huge geographical area of many thousands of square kilometres ... (hide full quote)

What I was trying to explain was that both you and Bender had mentioned that many areas offer free healthcare visits in regards to children seeing a doctor.

But if the areas that charge a covering fee, are heavily populated areas, such as Stockholm.
Then its not the area thats the important thing, but more so the actual number of children effected.

If we look at statistics and can see that a large portion of children are effected by this fee not by area but by actual numbers, then this assertion of only 3 areas charge the fee will be irrelative as the important thing would be to see how many actual children are effected by it.

Simply put - if we see a correlation of large numbers of children effected by this additional heath charge fee - then it makes no difference over how much space or land it covers.

[byke]

I think byke the point you are missing is; you are not looking at the whole package.

But no, you are wrong.
At no point has this thread been a general taxes spent over a nation and its regions.
Its a specific thread relating to medical costs and direct comparisons relating to that.

It's easy to target something that cost kids say 500kr a year average, perhaps much less,

But again, you are using this as a platform to push an agenda not relating to the the thread or the comment I first made. As its already been discussed, worst case scenario for 2 parents and 1+ Children in a family is just shy of 10,000:- per year.

but ignore the 100,000kr many parents now save in childcare.

There is nothing relative between healthcare and state baby sitting.
Its as much use as administering medicine to the dead.

If somebody wishes to discuss the effectiveness of the local police force and is then met with comments such as "oh but the cost of tobacco in sweden is lower" - it serves no use.

We don't live life by compartment,

Yes we do, that is how we hold account individual aspects of life.
And you yourself have done it numerous times on other threads.

its a whole intergrated life! Judging a nation by either up front tax or individual specifics is a poor indicator.

Their is no judging of any nation.
If one makes a comment to say they think something is wrong, its not a national slag off ... its called an active observation of life.

Ps. What % of Swedish population does not live in Stockholm, the vast majority?

Stockholm covers a great number of individuals in Sweden.
If stockholm combine with the other 2 areas suggested, has a near equal or greater mass of people than that of the rest of Sweden - then it implies that this additional 1100:- (which is approx 10% of the 10,000:- worst case scenario bill) is slightly irrelevant. But if taxes are to be fair across the nation, some could argus that a medical fee for children should be brought in to offset the higher costs associated to places like stockholm. It works the other way round for other places and other issues ....

[mångk]

Byke,

I am not sure what your position is?

Is it that you do not understand how things work or is it that you don't like that things work differently?

If not say and I am sure that many of the posters here can explain in more detail!

You have been provided with the information on högkostnadsskydd, you want to separate just the fact that some things must be paid first until you reach the limit, ignored that medicines are subsidised in Sweden.

Ignored that pretty much every child in Sweden receives barnbidrag which covers the additional costs that families with children incur. http://www.forsakringskassan.se/privatpers...fott/barnbidrag & http://www.forsakringskassan.se/wps/wcm/co...pdf?MOD=AJPERES

Ignored that if a child is sick a parent can stay home and look after their child and receive income insurance for this up to 80% of the lost income: http://www.forsakringskassan.se/privatpers...oraldrapenning/

You want to compare that to another country, so the question is do you also receive the above in that country?

[Bender B Rodriquez]

If stockholm combine with the other 2 areas suggested, has a near equal or greater mass of people than that of the rest of Sweden

So which are these two areas?