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Consequences if SD comes to power?

How dangerous can it get?

Yorkshireman
post 29.Nov.2012, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE (Coolrunnings @ 29.Nov.2012, 01:02 PM) *
Majority does not mean 51%. It's enough with maybe 30% in a coalition that they can do all kinds of crazy shit by taking over.

Then you haven't understood how Coalition Parliament works!

A majority vote is needed to pass legislation. To remove Democracy with only 30% would mean they need at 21% of other parties votes to pass such a legislation = A Majority of the population, as represented by the elected officials, would vote to remove Democracy! You cannot do anything with 30% on your own ... This is why Sweden stagnates on many areas ...now if they were in the UK with 1st past the post one could have a majority in parliament without the majority vote from the electorate biggrin.gif

It is extremely unlikely that other political parties would work together with the SD party on anything!

Mind You it is very interesting to see how people equate Nationalism to Nazism, and Capitalists associate everything non-capitalist to Communist/Socialist with negative implications.

SD members in the public eye have to their own discredit shown to be racist ... but in theory SD is a Nationalist party, don't confuse Nationalism with Racism, they are not the same.
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oddsock
post 29.Nov.2012, 04:52 PM
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Joined: 19.Dec.2008

QUOTE (Coolrunnings @ 29.Nov.2012, 08:48 AM) *
One problem I can think of for sure is if you have dual citizenship. They may force you to renounce either one, which means you are at their mercy as a swedish citizen or you ... (show full quote)

They can't force you to do that it all.

The Dutch government introduced legislation banning dual citizenship to pander to the hard-right. Everybody ignored it. Hilariously, it was later discovered that one of the ministers in the government that introduced this legislation had, you guessed it, dual citizenship. When they found out she refused to renounce it.

They can't find find out if you have another passport anyway, so it can't be enforced. They can't phone up another country and ask, "is so and so a a citizen of your country?" They other country will simply say, "we do not disclose that kind of information, bugger off."
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jostein
post 29.Nov.2012, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (Mark249 @ 29.Nov.2012, 09:02 AM) *
"...Despite the fact that my family (excluding my mother) are ethnic wallons from belgium and have lived in Sweden for 400 years..."

Just think about that statement for a second. 400 (~350?) years of staying apart and ingroup marrying. And the Vallons were a people that were reasonably close to the Swedes culturally, ethnically and religiously. And there were only 900 families or so according to wikipedia. And their skill and knowledge was a net gain to sweden. And still they kept apart for 400 (~350?) years, in some instances.

Compare that with the immigration we see today? sweden will never ever become one country again. Segregation will get worse and worse, violence and conflict will increase each year, as it already has been for over two decades. Corruption and nepotism will increase as all various groups are out to rob the common resources for themselves and their groups. We will watch one another across the trenches and the barbed wire with hostility and suspician. Just the same as it has always been in history when different peoples have to coexist in the same area. And sooner or later its going to erupt into largescale violence and masskillings and ethnic cleansing. Just like countless other times through history.

Multiculturalism is an evil ideology of malice and destruction, abusing peoples trust, ignorance and goodwill. We do not yet know how many innocent people will meet a violent end due to multiculturalism.
Since multiculturalism and socioliberalism are just socialism with new rethorics, well, we know from the 20th centuary that socialism does not aim low when filling bodybags.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valloner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloons#Walloons_in_Sweden
(for once the swedish wikipedia article is better than the english one so i suggest you read that one if you can.)
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Rick Methven
post 29.Nov.2012, 07:49 PM
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Location: Linköping
Joined: 30.Nov.2005

QUOTE
Multiculturalism is an evil ideology of malice and destruction, abusing peoples trust, ignorance and goodwill. We do not yet know how many innocent people will meet a violent end due to multiculturalism.
Since multiculturalism and socioliberalism are just socialism with new rethorics, well, we know from the 20th centuary that socialism does not aim low when filling bodybags.

I see that you are still the open minded person you never have been. Always open to look at the other side of any view.
Are you getting coaching from Breivik?
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 29.Nov.2012, 08:41 PM
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Joined: 21.Dec.2006

I don't think the SD will become the "threat", as it has been alluded to be.

The politicians in majority will as the "whores" they (Yes, I said that!) are will begin to say things meant to get back voters they lost to the SD by hinting that they to find a bit of sense in SD's message...not total agreement, mind you, but enough to take away SD's influence...Thereby keeping their jobs and influence...but not for the sake of the voters needs and feelings...just their survival! rolleyes.gif
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organic225
post 30.Nov.2012, 02:01 AM
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Joined: 7.Apr.2012

QUOTE (jostein @ 29.Nov.2012, 05:03 PM) *
Just think about that statement for a second. 400 (~350?) years of staying apart and ingroup marrying. And the Vallons were a people that were reasonably close to the Swedes c ... (show full quote)

I've read all the posts in this thread, and I am rather disheartened (but not surprised) that the bigger agenda is not being acknowledged. The powerful global interests behind the EU have had as their goal the creation of an EU-superstate since the EU's inception. All the EU's policies in the past 60+ years have been directed at this aim. If they are to achieve this, national identity must be smashed. One way of doing this is by encouraging mass immigration from a diverse array of cultures, while at the same time not encouraging integration into the societies of the respective countries. This leads to tensions between immigrant groups and the ethnic majority of the country. These differences are then exploited by those who are higher up, pitting groups against one another, which prevents the groups from focusing their frustration at the ruling elites. Over time, tensions within each member state lead to increasing instability and dysfunction. The ethnic people of a particular country no longer know what it means to be "French" or "Italian" or "Swedish" because everything has become so muddled. Now that the nationalism has been broken, people will be more willing to accept a so-called United States of Europe.

If the SD is allowed to play a future role in the formation of any government, it will only be to serve the greater interests behind European unification. No true nationalist movement will ever take root because it runs counter to the plan.

I wish that more people would recognize the Machiavellian nature of all of this. You have to think about the bigger picture and not the narrower confines in which the situation appears to be framed.
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NyDag
post 30.Nov.2012, 02:53 AM
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Joined: 5.Jun.2012

Good. I hope they come to power. They got my vote. High levels of unemployment and yet these other parties continue to take in stray dogs left right and centre ... crazy!
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 30.Nov.2012, 04:36 AM
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Joined: 21.Dec.2006

The last two posts are what a lot of people think and agree with...what's wrong with that?

The best way to sort this out is with the peoples vote.

And if???...the people will decide what's right for their interests, on a local level.
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organic225
post 30.Nov.2012, 06:02 AM
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Joined: 7.Apr.2012

Do you honestly believe that "the people" actually decide anything? That those who hold the real power would risk losing it by submitting important questions to the will of the people? The stakes are too high to leave things to chance.

In the words of Mark Twain, "If voting actually made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it."
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Coolrunnings
post 30.Nov.2012, 07:14 AM
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Joined: 15.Jun.2012

No worries. Sweden can never leave the EU and swedes will have to accept EU immigrants whether they like it or not. smile.gif
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Yorkshireman
post 30.Nov.2012, 02:45 PM
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Joined: 22.Nov.2011

Not exactly correct!... Sweden doesn't have to accept all EU migrants even now! The Right of Residence only applies to those that either have economic means to support themselves, or are economically active (ie. working). In addition to that there are provisions for refusal under Public Security and Public Health grounds.

And Sweden's own Aliens Act (Law) allows for deportation when an alien is a party in presumed criminal activities. A good example of this was recently ... Migrants found begging on the street were ejected by the police incorrectly, there was an unreasonable presumption, and begging is not illegal. Where-as they correctly presumed criminal act when ejecting prostitutes from Sweden ... even though selling sex is not illegal, there is a criminal offence since someone pays them, buying sex is illegal ...so it was reasonable to presume a criminal act takes place.
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Pursuivant
post 30.Nov.2012, 02:50 PM
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Joined: 12.Aug.2008

Is "begging on the street" somehow proving "having economic means to support themselves"?
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wondering
post 30.Nov.2012, 10:14 PM
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 30.Nov.2012, 11:12 PM
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Joined: 21.Dec.2006

So are some Nuns...do you want to destroy Atheists too?
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Svenny
post 1.Dec.2012, 03:24 AM
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The SD coming to power would be horrible. Sweden needs all these immigrants. The population of Sweden is getting old and they will need more people to support the old. The white swedes need to face the facts. They need to become a minority in their own country to ensure that the population and economy of Sweden continues to grow since they aren't having enough babies. In the future their won't be alot of white swedes around, but there will be many asian, arab, and african swedes around. The swedes won't disappear, they will just come in different colors.

The growth of the economy of Sweden is more important than the demographics of the country. Sure white people might become a minority, but what is more important is that immigration will keep their strong economy.
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