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Transport in Lapland

srinipm
post 28.Dec.2012, 08:52 AM
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Lapland is beautiful. Even in the coldest days of the year, this has best tourist attractions!

In the Lapland, streach of about 1000Kms one end to the other, covering 3 nations, to attract / to handle tourist even today is a problem that is foreseen (when compared to other countries in EU, who offer and remain on top of holiday destination every year) and also offering affordable and convenient travel holidays must be an aim to open this beautiful Lapland, which is unseen by many! It remains in big appreciation!

Traveling connections for foreigners between three nations needs to be improvised to attract more tourism and revenue or at least on demand basis for Students or Families can make a very afforbable travel to another destination and a promotion needs to be put in place?

At the moment for example, someone wants to reach from Kiruna to Rovaniemi, takes 1-2 days of travel by public transport or Sweden to Kiruna is 14 Hrs! During some seasons, busses are cancelled!

Also, Rental Car companies, who are charging fees quite an heavy fee to drop one country car in another country / breakdown / replacement / pool car service website must be in place to keep up this movement. For example, a car today which belongs to Sweden, to drop in Finland (a streach of 300 Kms) cost 1300 Euro handling fee!

Driving is also risky for a foreigner at times, Taxies are not an affordable solution for many travelers. Can an alternate solution be thought?
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PDX
post 28.Dec.2012, 10:59 AM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 2.Aug.2011

I totally agree - we need Indian style cycle rikshaws in Lapland. Those guys can pedal whole days and they do it for practically nothing.

~~~PDX~~~
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Migga
post 28.Dec.2012, 11:50 AM
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Joined: 26.Jul.2011

So that`s why the government, without the peoples support, is bringing in illiterates from war torn countries. Happy cycling.
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Pursuivant
post 28.Dec.2012, 11:58 AM
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Joined: 12.Aug.2008

Lappland is beautiful mainly in places theres no tourists spoiling it.

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Driving is also risky for a foreigner at times, Taxies are not an affordable solution for many travelers. Can an alternate solution be thought?

Reindeer sleigh?
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gplusa
post 28.Dec.2012, 12:25 PM
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Location: Luleå
Joined: 4.Sep.2009

With respect, it's the best part of 1,000km travel between Kiruna and Rovaniemi. It's not exactly a 5 minute cycle trip. Kiruna to Luleå takes 3 1/2 hours by train. I take that trip every 10 days either with SJ or Norrtåg. Trains depart from 6am. Those connect directly to another train/bus service which will get you to Rovaniemi in another 5 hours. Not bad service considering the distance, isolation and climate. A rail upgrade planned for 2013 will shorten the Luleå-Rovaniemi leg down to 3 1/2 hours.
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byke
post 28.Dec.2012, 01:00 PM
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Location: Europe
Joined: 28.Oct.2008

Can such remoteness pay for itself, or does it need subsidising or false accounting for it to be paid for?
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gplusa
post 28.Dec.2012, 05:04 PM
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Location: Luleå
Joined: 4.Sep.2009

Not that it warrants a reply but when the industries surrounding Kiruna are clearing in excess of 1 million SEK per hour, their local economy is in pretty good shape and unlike other regions/countries, does not require any subsidies.
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Puffin
post 29.Dec.2012, 11:38 AM
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Location: Dalarna
Joined: 5.Apr.2006

QUOTE (byke @ 28.Dec.2012, 01:00 PM) *
Can such remoteness pay for itself, or does it need subsidising or false accounting for it to be paid for?

Well obviously there is so much money being generated up there that the proposal to move the entire city of Kiruna 3km is financially viable given the wealth created by the ores extracted in the mining industry.

When we drove Kiruna-Abisko-Norway there are numerous freight trains
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byke
post 29.Dec.2012, 02:02 PM
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Location: Europe
Joined: 28.Oct.2008

Well its very pleasant to hear that the industry in the far north is doing well.

But does it still generate enough for the area to be able to invest that much cash into such infrastructure, and is such an investment viable in terms or tourism ?
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byke
post 29.Dec.2012, 02:20 PM
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Location: Europe
Joined: 28.Oct.2008

And the same question also goes for the other nations involved.
Is there significant enough cash generated through local taxes to be able to pay for such infrastructure, and is it a viable investment in terms of tourism?
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Puffin
post 30.Dec.2012, 12:40 AM
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Location: Dalarna
Joined: 5.Apr.2006

How can you just look at it in term of tourism? That would be like assessing that viability of Arlanda as a toruist attraction and ignoring its business importance as the main airport serving the capital

Much of Sweden suffers from problems that the railways are operating over capacity and need investment as the old single tracks areno longer providing sufficient infrastructure for business/commuter needs- but as the government is unwilling to do this they are giving priority to freight services and cutting back on passenger trains
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byke
post 30.Dec.2012, 01:15 AM
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Location: Europe
Joined: 28.Oct.2008

The reason I referred to its tourism, is because the OP stated at the start that such trains were needed to help tourism to a very large region which is sparse in population.

As for business and trade in the region, my question has been ... can it fund itself?
And I am guessing the answer is probably no, as I expect there are cheaper alternatives at present.

Which, while I agree is purely speculation.
Would, if true question the cost and infrastructure needed for such a vast area with relatively low numbers of inhabitants. So while Arlanda does have rail networks to the city and networks far beyond. It also caters for much higher numbers which make it feasible. As well as offering networks in and out to other parts of Europe.

But when you are dealing with much greater space as the far north, add multiple borders into the equation. It does seem like such a plan will be tough to get off the ground. As the costs will be high, the area large and the population sparse in relation to the investment. And other governments from other nations will need to agree to such. And funding as we all know isn't an easy thing in this economic climate.

But if the far north is able to generate as much local taxes as claimed.
Then obviously, good for them if they are willing to invest in such.
But I do find it hard to believe given its remoteness and population, along with often cheaper alternatives such as road freight.
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srinipm
post 1.Jan.2013, 09:00 AM
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Joined: 18.May.2008

I have seen a whole lot of Chinese / other Asians / Brits who flock this place all through the year, specially for Aurora Borealis / Ice Hotel (in winter). There are number of tourist operators pre-book from all these regions!

It could be a good Government initiative to carry out a study, unlike the mining industry infrastructure, an option like train or car pool or abolishing car collecting fee for rental cars or lowering car rental charges could be a good solution to improvise revenue in this region!

I appreciate total WILDERNESS in this moment, meant also for mining in this region and clear that one TOURIST has to visit with tons of cash and be ready to face surprises!
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