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The Swedish Democrats remind me of Nazis

Be vigilant of the Swedish Nazis

John.Smith
post 23.Jan.2013, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (Yorkshireman @ 23.Jan.2013, 01:38 PM) *
You will find that in the rise to power the 25 point-plan that Hitler put together was picking items from the Left-Wing and from the Right-Wing ...each selected to pull under ... (show full quote)


The rise to power did include Socialist doctrine... very selectively. I had said that the beginnings of the Nazi party had deep seated roots in the far-right.

I didn't say that just because they were anti-far left they must have been right, I was correcting an early statement by a poster that Nazi's were far-left. I still think on the Left/Right spectrum that they were Right of Communism but not just because of their anti-Marxist stance.

Nazi's probably do not fit into the modern day assertion of Left and Right (especially if compared to the American scale), as they believed in a high Public ownership of State wealth, but this was from a strong Nationalistic perspective of 'Love Thy Country'. Socialism on the other hand also advocates wealth sharing but more from the stance of 'Love Thy State'. Hitler toned down his anti-capitalist rants in the 1930's because he felt it too Communist-like. Instead, he turned his attention to grabbing the wealth from the Jewish population instead of the industrialists.

I am not sure where Fascism fits on the L/R political spectrum, or if it fits there at all? Totalitarianism is all its forms uses a mish-mash of politcal views 'get to power by any means' and the people if desperate enough will swallow just about anything.

So I guess maybe I was wrong to say Nazism was Far-Right? Maybe more accurate to state that it was a form of Totalitarianism and that Fascism deserves it own scale as it is not 'politics' as we under it.

If Wikipedia's definition of 'far-Right politics' is to be believed then Nazis were Far-Right, (not one of the sources I trust I might add)...



...The far-right (also known as the extreme right or radical right) refers to the highest degree of rightism in right-wing politics. Far right politics involves support of strong or complete social hierarchy in society, and supports supremacy of certain individuals or groups deemed to be innately superior who are to be more valued than those deemed to be innately inferior.

The far right's advocacy of supremacism is based on what its adherents perceive as innate characteristics of people that cannot be changed. This stands as a point of difference with the centre-right's attribution of behaviours, such as laziness or decadence, as the primary sources of social inequalities.[2]

The far right is commonly associated with persons or groups who hold extreme nationalist, xenophobic, racist, religious fundamentalist or reactionary views. The most extreme-right movements have pursued oppression and genocide against groups of people on the basis of their alleged inferiority.





This I agree with however and probably explains a lot:


Proponents of the horseshoe theory interpretation of the left-right spectrum identify the far-left and far-right as having more in common with each other as extremists than each have towards moderate centrists.[7]
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John.Smith
post 23.Jan.2013, 03:37 PM
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Some interesting reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Also worth a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

I think the idea of a linear scale is somewhat defunct when you start talking about extremism in all its forms...
 
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intrepidfox
post 23.Jan.2013, 03:38 PM
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John. It is a very interesting debate.
In the beginning Hitler actually went to communist meetings (he actually went to lots of different parties and even agreed with the Christian Democrats ) and was positive to the unions. he could be called a left winger but after the being influenced by the Pan Germans and especially The Treaty of Versailles he changed his tune.
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John.Smith
post 23.Jan.2013, 03:43 PM
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Yeah... and strangely in his book he credits Marx for some of his thinkings... but also slated Communism at the same time... Go figure?

I am no Hitler expert, but that guy just seemed to have his own distorted view of world order. One of the foundation stones of socialism is that all people are equal. However, in Hitlers view the Aryan race was the superior race and everyone else was inferior. Then if you were Jewish, Romana, Handicapped etc... you were basically nothing. Less than nothing.
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intrepidfox
post 23.Jan.2013, 04:00 PM
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Why are you having a go at me. I´m just stating a fact from his book.
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Yorkshireman
post 23.Jan.2013, 04:20 PM
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As said earlier ... picking from left and right, in order to grab power at any cost ...is exactly what Hitler did, which is why the party cannot really be described as left nor right, but rather as Totalitarian Fascism. The Germany he started to create once handed power by the other parties, was based upon Mussolini's idea of Fascism ...which was certainly left-wing influenced wink.gif
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intrepidfox
post 23.Jan.2013, 04:22 PM
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Also John.

Hitler was a nasty bit of work but look at Stalin. He was the Devil himself. Don´t forget that he killed 30 million people compared to 4 million. They were both sick in the head.
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entry
post 23.Jan.2013, 05:13 PM
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Muli-colored charts, some in weird little horseshoes so nice to be far removed from reality and not knowing of family members who have been raped, murdered and driven from their lands by Bolsheviks, communists and fascists.

Your games of Semantics fall on deaf ears.

Each time I see a simple minded little European calling someone a NAZI that does not agree with his brainwashed mind I laugh with disgust.

john.smith are you out there?
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post 23.Jan.2013, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE (entry @ 23.Jan.2013, 05:13 PM) *
.smith are you out there?

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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 24.Jan.2013, 12:27 AM
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What political party does "God" represent?

Can another get his job?

Isn't he/she always right?

Why can't we vote for him/her?

If he created everything isn't he/she responsible for "political fallout" and have a duty to reply?

Is our beloved "Big Brother" the answer to our problems?

If you are watched and scrutinized 24 hours a day, don't you feel safe?

What do we really want our politicians to do for us, that which we can do for ourselves?
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John.Smith
post 24.Jan.2013, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 23.Jan.2013, 04:00 PM) *
Why are you having a go at me. I´m just stating a fact from his book.

me?
I wasn't having a go at you? smile.gif Sorry if you picked up the wrong signal's there chief! Not sure what I wrote that was directed negatively at you. Apologies!
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John.Smith
post 24.Jan.2013, 08:02 AM
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QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 23.Jan.2013, 04:22 PM) *
Also John.. Hitler was a nasty bit of work but look at Stalin. He was the Devil himself. Don´t forget that he killed 30 million people compared to 4 million. They were both sick in the head.

Oh hell yeah... And communism has had a much wider and longer negative impact on the world than Nazism had. We are still feeling the repercussions today, i.e. North Korea.
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