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byke
post 7.Feb.2013, 05:07 PM
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Wolves generally are bred from a single alpha male.
Unless that particular one is removed, then there is very little to no chance it will make any difference.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 7.Feb.2013, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE (entry @ 7.Feb.2013, 04:45 PM) *
The culling of wolves is done in parallel with a program to introduce wolves from central and eastern Europe. If you kill off some of the brothers and sisters that are screwin ... (show full quote)

Who is to say that the new immigrants won't setup neighborhoods(territory)where only they live and continue to breed together as they did in the 'old country"...a la humans?

Who is to say the new ones will be accepted by the native population in *their* territory?

Or is this a plan to totally eradicate the current native population?

This forum is a lot about immigrants not being able to be accepted by the natives...so why should the wolves be different?laugh.gif
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Elf_Moon
post 7.Feb.2013, 10:14 PM
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I don't see how the issue with regards to wolves attacking sheep etc comes into it though. I mean... If they are going to replace these wolves, then what does it matter to the farmers that the Swedish ones should be shot and killed. I may be missing something here but... Oh well ^.^
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Yorkshireman
post 8.Feb.2013, 12:19 AM
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It does, and it doesnt! Under certain conditions then even under the EU law it is allowed to hunt/kill, wolves.

In Sweden, wolves do not have freedom of movement wink.gif ...they are not allowed in the areas that are designated for reindeer herding, and that covers approx 50% of the country, mainly the North. Wolves are restricted to the mid-southern areas, which of course then concentrates their population to specific areas. It also means that wolves of different genetic stock cannot migrate easily, since in most cases they have to make it through the reindeer areas, alive!!!

The EU Commission does not have the legislative power to prevent Sweden from going ahead with the hunt, they can only check to see if the reasoning is inline with EU Law, and if not it can refer the case to the European Court. Sweden argues that in order to conserve the population of wolves it needs to selectively kill some (via hunting!), it is not just a random kill ... the aim, if I remember correctly, is to split up couples so that they take alternative partners , and also to introduce additional wolves from other areas eg. Finland. This technically, unless there are other means, is allowable under EU law. To strengthen the argument there are minor calls that there is danger to public safety and public health by having so many inbred wolves restricted to specific areas, so they also need to do a population cut in smaller numbers, to prevent the growth of the populations from rising too rapidly as that would be a danger to public health and public safety.

So whilst there are many reports that state Sweden is going against EU Law, that actually has not been proven in Court, as yet. Time will tell, it depends how solid their arguments are ...let's be realistic, one way or another they will try to get the hunt going ...I mean, they changed the law around the hunt this time round in Sweden to avoid issues raised in the case that is already sitting with the European Court from the hunting a cyear or two ago biggrin.gif ...so they are somewhat determined to bag the poor things sad.gif
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 8.Feb.2013, 01:02 AM
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I don't think this is right...species develope by close contact and interbreeding with themselves...otherwise they would never become what they are...a distinctive species or branch of one...there are many scenarios of species...including man that have been allowed to interbreed naturally and they have fared well...if the end result of interbreeding was an animal/person that could not survive, it/they would die off...take for example Australia, the Galapagos Islands and all other remote places, etc., where the was no influx of an animal of the same species with a different parentage, or any other animals for that matter. The animals become a result of selective breeding amongst themselves. A case of natural selection creating a new breed/species.

Dogs are commonly interbred with close relatives to "hold the line" or to keep the best of what they are known for.

Why can't there be a "central Sweden" species of wolf?
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Yorkshireman
post 8.Feb.2013, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 8.Feb.2013, 01:02 AM) *
...including man that have been allowed to interbreed naturally and they have fared well...

ohmy.gif ...just look at the UK Royal Family!... Prince Charles!... That is proof enough that there are limits on genetic transfer from inter-breeding ...it isn't good in the longer run! biggrin.gif
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entry
post 8.Feb.2013, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE (byke @ 7.Feb.2013, 05:07 PM) *
Wolves generally are bred from a single alpha male.. Unless that particular one is removed, then there is very little to no chance it will make any difference.

Wolves generally are bred from a single alpha male. Unless that particular one is removed... which a culling process is designed to do. How can you possibly fail to follow logic in this?(you are not that stupid byke)
QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 7.Feb.2013, 05:43 PM) *
Who is to say that the new immigrants won't setup neighborhoods(territory)where only they live and continue to breed together as they did in the 'old country"...a la humans?

You might be able to drag some of the people down your rabbit hole but not me and not tonight. I am not in favor of a wind up and thread hijack.
QUOTE (Yorkshireman @ 8.Feb.2013, 01:13 AM) *
ohmy.gif ...just look at the UK Royal Family!... Prince Charles!... That is proof enough that there are limits on genetic transfer from inter-breeding ...it isn't good in the longer run!

'Yorkshireman' at this moment I could not think of a better example than you have provided. -Paul
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 8.Feb.2013, 02:21 AM
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Can you imagine the offspring of Charlie and Camilla? laugh.gif
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byke
post 8.Feb.2013, 10:39 AM
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Another interesting bit is usually this is the time of year that females are pregnant.
So by having a cull at this time of year with a specific number of wolves allowed to be culled, it doesnt take into account (in terms of numbers) the unborn litters than can be killed without adding to the total number (since they are unborn).
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Yorkshireman
post 8.Feb.2013, 11:51 AM
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This is normally taken into account, it is not a hunt, in as much as, anything goes until the right number is reached... the timing is specific to maximise the probability that orphaned pups can survive, and avoid killing partners of pregnant females, and exclude areas where known foreign wolves have settled.
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