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British MP Faces Jail Sentence

This Would Never Happen in Sweden - Why Not?

EtoileBrilliant
post 5.Feb.2013, 08:56 AM
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Yesterday, serving MP and ex-Cabinet minister Chris Huhne pleaded guilty to "perverting the course of justice". What did he do? Fiddle his expenses? Lie about a call girl? No, he did something that 70% of Swedish drivers who are stopped for Sweden do every year.

He lied about who was at the wheel of the car when the vehicle was clocked for speeding. Huhne asked his wife to take the fall, about SEK1200 and 3 points on his license.

I've been to Swedish dinner parties where people actually boast about avoiding penalty sentences for speeding in Sweden. In fact this is so common that apparently only 30% of speeding offenses ever get enforced. All you have to do is deny that you were at the wheel. If photographic evidence suggests otherwise, the chances are that the authorities will never push the matter. For company or leased cars, the lease manager just says that he keeps no log on who was driving (can you imagine an operations manager of an airline pleading the same defense).

What's the end game? Most Swedes drive as if they're unaccountable to other road users. Rising fatalities.

Wake up Sweden and pull your head out of the ground.!
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SimonDMontfort
post 5.Feb.2013, 11:32 AM
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This guy’s a real ‘buff-Huhne’ laugh.gif

I guess all the Swedish drivers you speak of must hope they don't have an estranged wife (as Huhne did) who ‘blows the whistle’ on these ‘lies’.

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Most Swedes drive as if they're unaccountable to other road users. Rising fatalities.

…wouldn’t disagree with you here. RTA stats are generally favourable to Sweden compared to other countries. But I reckon its more complex than that. Some studies have shown that road traffic congestion comes into the equation and increases the incidence of RTAs (road traffic congestion not being quite as bad in Sweden as, say, the UK or US)
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Migga
post 5.Feb.2013, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE (EtoileBrilliant @ 5.Feb.2013, 08:56 AM) *
What's the end game? Most Swedes drive as if they're unaccountable to other road users. Rising fatalities.

What are you talking about? You know you are lying right? Sweden had one of the lowest number of traffic related deaths last year, numbers in line with those during the second world war. Many are suicides.
http://www.automotorsport.se/artiklar/nyhe...rafiken-minskar
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EtoileBrilliant
post 5.Feb.2013, 12:45 PM
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Not so, the last two years have seen increases in traffic fatalities.

Road Fatalities

Sweden has one of the lowest figures in Western Europe. But ranking near the bottom of a league table of death doesn't mean you can behave recklessly.
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Bender B Rodriquez
post 5.Feb.2013, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (EtoileBrilliant @ 5.Feb.2013, 09:56 AM) *
Yesterday, serving MP and ex-Cabinet minister Chris Huhne pleaded guilty to "perverting the course of justice". What did he do? Fiddle his expenses? Lie about a call ... (show full quote)

Not giving out who was the driver of your vehicle is not a crime in Sweden though.

Also your number about 70% is way off. 70% off all vehicles that are noted as speeding past a camera are simply not photographed since the police don't have time to process the data.
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byke
post 5.Feb.2013, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE (Migga @ 5.Feb.2013, 12:31 PM) *
You know you are lying right?

You don't have any proof of that.
And even if these people were lying, what would it say about the state of such Swedes who's word cannot be trusted.
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Migga
post 5.Feb.2013, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE (EtoileBrilliant @ 5.Feb.2013, 12:45 PM) *
Not so, the last two years have seen increases in traffic fatalities.Road FatalitiesSweden has one of the lowest figures in Western Europe. But ranking near the bottom of a le ... (show full quote)

So you use a three year window to prove your point? Why ignore the fact that road fatalities have gone down drastically the last couple of decades?
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oddsock
post 5.Feb.2013, 01:39 PM
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I've looked up the most recent road fatality figures:

Deaths per billion km

1. Iceland 3.0
2. Ireland 4.2
3. Malta 4.9
4. Sweden 5.1
5. Luxembourg 5.4
6. Switzerland 5.6
7. UK 5.7

Interesting that since the advent of smart phones that Sweden has fallen from the top of the list. Hmmm.
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what would thomas paine d...
post 5.Feb.2013, 01:48 PM
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This thread violates Jante Laws five and ten:

Jante Law #5: You're not to think you know more than us.
Jante Law #10: You're not to think you can teach us anything.

Those "who transgress this unwritten 'law' are regarded with suspicion and some *hostility*, as it goes against the...communal desire to preserve harmony, social stability and uniformity..." (wiki)

Group hug? Ahhhhh!!! ohmy.gif

Post 8 is interesting (with all due respect to the lives it represents)... Which terrains and weather are most dangerous? What autos are people traveling in? etc.
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EtoileBrilliant
post 5.Feb.2013, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE (Migga @ 5.Feb.2013, 01:23 PM) *
So you use a three year window to prove your point? Why ignore the fact that road fatalities have gone down drastically the last couple of decades?

Migga, no one's disputing your figures! But some might contend that the decline in road fatalities has more to do with (a) the advent of seatbelts and (ii) other safety devices.

My contention is that in recent years, Sweden's traffic fatalities (and Denmark's) are on the increase.
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what would thomas paine d...
post 5.Feb.2013, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (EtoileBrilliant @ 5.Feb.2013, 01:55 PM) *
My contention is that in recent years, Sweden's traffic fatalities (and Denmark's) are on the increase.

That's racist. Just kidding. But if different countries have different driving cultures, so to speak, then it seems logical that some different accident patterns could present themselves as different populations increasingly drive in what may also be a new terrain.

Also--it seems morbid to ask, but how are suicides being classified? Are people driving into the water, what? Traffic fatality implies the car is out in the world somewhere, right?
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skogsbo
post 5.Feb.2013, 03:05 PM
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With zero evidence to prove it, perhaps mandatory ABS has saved many a driver, who broke late because they were preoccupied on their phone!?
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John.Smith
post 5.Feb.2013, 03:55 PM
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Location: Sweden
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Also, cars have become safer when they crash with crumplezones, better safety belts, better tyres, better road surfaces, anti-skid, electronic stability control and of course better enforced anti-drinking laws etc..

It is no surprise that fatalities have decreased over the decades, but along with the advent of such technologies also comes faster and more powerful cars capable of higher speeds.

I have to say that compared to the UK I find Swedish drivers to be more competent on the roads... far less polite, but more competent. There does seem however to be a certain complacency when it comes to phone usage whilst driving. Wonder if there is a connection there with the recent increase?

You know what they say " It's not the 'fart' that kills you... its the 'smäll' " smile.gif
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what would thomas paine d...
post 5.Feb.2013, 05:03 PM
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Gagitry then - phone calls, texting, ipods, tvs even, etc. I also have a very faint memory of someone once mentioning some problems with all the traffic barriers / guard rails--that they're actually creating some problems. Sorry, can't recall more than that.
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skogsbo
post 5.Feb.2013, 05:37 PM
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I've seen stuff in the press about the central barriers, that are tensioned steel cable are especially bad if a biker comes off, when compared to the deeper corrugated metal ones, but for that to hurt you need to have already crashed, so they aren't the cause of accidents.

Years ago it wasn't phones, but it was loose kids and pets, chain smoking and drinking behind the wheel. Or in the days of old when mixing cross ply and radial tyres was warned about with special TV adverts. Perhaps even a greater number of front wheel drive cars have improved safety?

With greater statistics, roads that were accident black spots, have improved sight lines, been straightened out and better road surfaces, the list is endless really.
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