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First Visit to a Vårdcentral yesterday

Worst doctor I've ever encountered

organic225
post 9.Feb.2013, 03:37 PM
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Yesterday was my first encounter with the Swedish healthcare system, and all I can say is the doctor I saw was the worst I've ever seen. Would someone please tell me this is just a coincidence?

My primary purpose in going to the vårdcentral was to get a referral to see a specialist. I suffer from an autoimmune disease and one of the complications is that I have a difficult time absorbing vitamins and other nutrients. I didn't expect the doctor to know much about my condition, as it is highly specific, but I did expect him to at least order some blood tests to see how my levels currently are while I wait to see the specialist. For instance, I told him how my doctors in the U.S. frequently prescribed me mega-doses of Vitamin D because my levels were dangerously low. He responded that it's a controversial issue, some studies say one thing, others say something else, etc. He also said that I could just pick up some over-the-counter Vitamin D pills because there is no Vitamin D prescription in Sweden. I didn't believe him so I told it to a pharmacist, who of course told me that mega-doses of Vitamin D are frequently prescribed here. The doctor had the same approach to my concerns about B12 and folic acid. Just buy some over-the-counter, we don't need to check your levels, it's not worth it.

Overall, I felt like he really didn't care about my well-being and just saw me as another item to check off his to-do list. Not one ounce of warmth or concern. Just completely useless and dangerous incompetent.

Does anyone have any feedback about their experiences with doctors/nurses here? Are specialists typically better than the primary doctors? I really want to believe this is just an isolated incident, but I have heard similar stories elsewhere, so I'm concerned.
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Coolrunnings
post 9.Feb.2013, 03:45 PM
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In general the doctors here are useless and the immigrant doctors who move here are not the top of the cream either. Usually you have to tell THEM what the problem is and FIGHT for it. They have a somewhat non-chalant attitude and not as experienced as other doctors in other countries.

The assasination of minister Anna Lindh is such an example. They could have been prevented it if they actually did basic things such as preventing blood loss rather than going directly into surgery!
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byke
post 9.Feb.2013, 04:02 PM
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I think folic acid is actually a prescription based request nowadays.
Do you have an actual medical diagnosis and name of your condition ?
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organic225
post 9.Feb.2013, 04:04 PM
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Byke, yes I do. Ulcerative colitis and I've had several surgeries to treat it. It's a fairly common disease, especially in the Nordic countries. Similar to Crohn's.
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johnjohn
post 9.Feb.2013, 04:42 PM
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"Worse doctor I've ever encountered"... Guess you have never been to my kommun.
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Essingen
post 9.Feb.2013, 04:48 PM
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I am afraid you just have to write off the SEK 200 and go somewhere else.
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byke
post 9.Feb.2013, 05:02 PM
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Gets popcorn and eagerly awaits Migga's response.
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Migga
post 9.Feb.2013, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (organic225 @ 9.Feb.2013, 03:37 PM) *
Yesterday was my first encounter with the Swedish healthcare system, and all I can say is the doctor I saw was the worst I've ever seen. Would someone please tell me this ... (show full quote)

It was just a coincidence. Nothing to generalise from. It`s just an isolated incident. I wouldn`t call it an incident though. You feelt like the doctor you saw wasn`t paying enough attention to what you said, nothing else. Not something I would define as useless or dangerous incompetent. My feedback is both positive and negative from swedish healthcare. I`ve met caring and happy people but I`ve also met grumpy doctors who just wanted to rush out from the room. You will mostly hear from the loud minority and not the happy majority.
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organic225
post 9.Feb.2013, 07:50 PM
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I hope you're right, Migga, I hope you're right! I will see how the next appointment goes and will then be able to make a more informed judgment.
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Yorkshireman
post 9.Feb.2013, 08:03 PM
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Unfortunately there are bad doctors around, just as there are good! ...the worse time is normally summer months when they have tempoirary doctors earning extra cash doing cover work sad.gif ...

Sometimes, there is a difference of opinion in treatments between USA/UK and Sweden, and there used to be a bias towards treatments that involved drugs manufactured by Swedish companies (eg. Astra Zenica), surprise surprise ... but less so now.

I wonder who ran the Vårdcentralen You went to? There has been problems in Vårdcentral run by private companies, not the doctor's fault, but they allocate timeslots and the doctors must stick to them as much as possible ...normally 15 minute slots sad.gif ...which makes things a little less personal, and more the feeling of being rushed out the door.
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olga118
post 9.Feb.2013, 08:53 PM
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You state that you have a chronic condition which you told your Swedish physician about but I'm a bit confused. If your condition is chronic and uncommon then surely you would have presented the physician here in Sweden with your
medical history yet you only state that you told them how your physician in the USA treated you.
Did you or did you not give the Swedish physician your medical records and, if not, how could you expect them to treat you in a manner that is consistent with your previous medical care? As a person who was born and raised in the USA I can say, with no uncertainty that, without your medical records a physician is not going to "take your word for it". Not in the USA and not in Sweden.
So if that is your complaint then the person you should be blaming is yourself.
Seriously....You moved to another country without medical records for a chronic condition and expect them to just take your word for it? What are you thinking?
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organic225
post 9.Feb.2013, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE (olga118 @ 9.Feb.2013, 08:53 PM) *
You state that you have a chronic condition which you told your Swedish physician about but I'm a bit confused. If your condition is chronic and uncommon then surely you w ... (show full quote)

Olga, I'll try to overlook your self-righteous, condescending attitude and inform you that I brought an entire binder of my records along with me to the appointment, but guess what, he wasn't interested in looking at them. Perhaps I should have stated that in my first post, but I find it rather interesting that you'd be such a stalwart apologist for the doctor. As I stated previously, I only went to the vårdcentral because I needed a referral to a specialist. Since getting that appointment may take a couple months, I asked the primary doctor about performing a few routine blood tests to cover me in the interim. He doesn't need nor is he expected to fully understand my condition, as that is for the specialist; however, there are some general things about nutrition that he should have known and been willing to investigate. I wasn't asking for narcotics or other heavy-duty drugs. Or do you think knowledge of general nutrition is beyond the purview of a general practitioner?

Care to make any more false assumptions?
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olga118
post 9.Feb.2013, 09:44 PM
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Would someone please tell me this is just a coincidence?" "concidence" Wrong word.

"I didn't expect the doctor to know much about my condition, as it is highly specific."
But you expcted him to know about it anyway.

" I told him how my doctors in the U.S. frequently prescribed me mega-doses of Vitamin D because my levels were dangerously low."
No mention of providing medical records.

"He responded that it's a controversial issue"
Yes, it is. Not only in Sweden but in the USA as well which I am SURE you are aware of.

"and inform you that I brought an entire binder of my records along with me to the appointment,"
Sure you did. You just forgot to mention it.

" I only went to the vårdcentral because I needed a referral to a specialist."
Because you neglected to address your health issues when you first arrived.

"Since getting that appointment may take a couple months"
So obviously you knew that.

"He doesn't need nor is he expected to fully understand my condition"
But clearly you expected him to.

"Or do you think knowledge of general nutrition is beyond the purview of a general practitioner?"
"General nutrion" would be common knowledge. Even my child knows that.
"purview" That's a new word for me and may also be for your Swedish physician.

"Care to make any more false assumptions?"
Just stating the facts, Ma'am.
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organic225
post 9.Feb.2013, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE (olga118 @ 9.Feb.2013, 09:44 PM) *
"Care to make any more false assumptions?" . Just stating the facts, Ma'am.

Classic
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olga118
post 9.Feb.2013, 09:58 PM
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"Care to make any more false assumptions?" . Just stating the facts, Ma'am."

Nice concession.

Think about it next time you rip apart the country you have moved to.

If you don't like it then go home crybaby.
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