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SD Nazi repatriation policy

Risk to Swedish infants.

Gamla Hälsingebock
post 15.Feb.2013, 07:08 PM
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Joined: 21.Dec.2006

Gee! If all the immigrants were kicked out...the Local would be a very quiet place...even the SD would not like that...

Why not just create work camps for them instead?

That would go a long way to solve the unemployment problem..."Arbeit macht frie" huh.gif
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Elf_Moon
post 15.Feb.2013, 07:30 PM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 5.Sep.2012

Because of a large group of radical Leftists scaring everybody into submission ^.^ I'm becoming tired of it if I'm honest. Is there yet a word that is like fascist but could be put to the current situation with radical leftists? I would love to know it.

You must follow every word they say, think exactly as they do. You can't even have one thought of your own, the SD vote is as someone else has said, a silent protest against the radical leftists. The radicals aren't yet IN the voting booths holding guns to peoples heads, so at the moment people can vote as they wish smile.gif

I've spoken to a number of Swedes who tell me (after a few drinks mind) that they know there is a problem with radical leftists but they are too scared to speak up. I was so shocked when my observations were first confirmed. I thought I was imagining the whole thing if I'm honest.
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what would thomas paine d...
post 15.Feb.2013, 07:57 PM
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Joined: 15.Oct.2012

The German state actively killed sick people as a means to finance its celebrated mono-ethnic/cultural society.

The Swedish state passively kills sick people as a means to finance its celebrated mulit-ethnic/cultural society.

Are NAZIs defined by their end goal(s)? Or by the means they use to achieve their goal(s)?
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Yorkshireman
post 15.Feb.2013, 08:05 PM
Post #19
Joined: 22.Nov.2011

QUOTE (what would thomas paine do @ 15.Feb.2013, 07:57 PM) *
The Swedish state passively kills sick people as a means to finance its celebrated mulit-ethnic/cultural society.

That is only because the Healthcare System is quite badly managed. rolleyes.gif
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polartwist
post 15.Feb.2013, 08:21 PM
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Joined: 5.Feb.2013

The fact that they want to kick out immigrants that already live here, that are working and are productive is just FUD, or if you prefer, bullshit. Every smart people in this planet would understand that is not even possible to think such a similar idiocy.
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what would thomas paine d...
post 15.Feb.2013, 08:49 PM
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Managed or financed? sad.gif Both, I guess... My general impression is that Swedish culture doesn't value the sanctity of the invidvidual or the right of the individual to live. I think the state expects the individual to finance the state, and when he/she can no longer do so, he/she is *expected* to die *without complaint*. (Instead of individuals building a state that serves them, the state has mutated into some kind of parasite that drains its hosts...) I get the impression that SD's *primary* sin is to have dared speak out against (to complain about / to criticise) the status quo.

It seems that "order" is very extreme here. I've often wondered if way-way-way back when, when someone got out of line, if they were exiled/banished by the group into the death of winter? Maybe people did have to work together to survive winter - but then, as humans do, this sense of cohesion/unity was also abused as mobbning and bullying where those who didn't do as they were told were exiled from the group.

It's also my impression that the Swedish church was pretty oppressive in its day. And now then, we have the political left. It's like whatever belief system has power takes on the same bullying tactics as winter from long ago.

When I first read the OP's line about SD tossing out all the immigrants, I thought it was ridiculous. But who knows? Can there be balance (lagom?!) in Sweden? Or is this cultural mobbning/bullying trait always gonna kick in?
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jostein
post 16.Feb.2013, 12:00 AM
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Joined: 22.Mar.2011

QUOTE (Paddling Out @ 15.Feb.2013, 06:16 PM) *
I'd like an answer from The Local as to why the OP is allowed to continuously insult SD voters by calling them, "nazis," and also insult Americans yet he is not ... (show full quote)

Words cant harm you? I think the OP have the same right to post his version of reality as anyone else? If it is a poor version of reality, then he will be easy to refute?

If we cannot speak what we believe, how would we ever mend our ways when we have gone astray? We would just become more and more strange inside our own heads?
If we cannot speak what we believe, how could other people learn from what insights we might have? How would good ideas get around? How would bad ideas be ridiculed and refuted?
If we cannot speak what we believe, how could other people relate to us in a rational way? It would all be guesswork?
Garry Jones, dave.smith, skogsbo and djmarko seem to perceive the SD similarly. Other people have a different opinion. This is good, no?

And i dont think even the SD would object. I mean, if i had an enemy id wish for him to be exactly as wellinformed, softspoken and pleasent as Garry Jones smile.gif Money cant buy enemies as perfect as our Garry wink.gif

About TheLocal and islam, it is not the same thing. If you ridicule or criticize the SD (or swedish nazis too for that matter) the worst they gonna do is send you a few angry email and maybe publish a critical article in one of their internet blogs/newspapers. If you ridicule or criticize Islam you face costs and risks of a whole different sort? Why should the people who make their living from TheLocal make themselves cannonfodder in that fight?
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 16.Feb.2013, 12:00 AM
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Joined: 21.Dec.2006

Political choices are always contentious...those in power represent a group that is not in favor with another group...democracy is that way...when there is a choice, there is a separation of ideals.

Why not wait a bit before you forecast doom and gloom...in the end somebody will be happy.

I mean was "home" so bad? laugh.gif
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jostein
post 16.Feb.2013, 12:08 AM
Post #24
Joined: 22.Mar.2011

@what would thomas paine do
Thank you for sharing very interesting thoughts. I see what you see in this. However, is this unique in some way to sweden or is it the same all over the world? Fortunately you posted that on TheLocal where the regular posters have ALOT of experience from all over the world, maybe they will have something interesting to say about your post?
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what would thomas paine d...
post 16.Feb.2013, 01:31 AM
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"However, is this unique in some way to sweden or is it the same all over the world?"

I wondered this too. Maybe it's more related to cultures which have a greater emphasis on the collective? Maybe because Sweden is a smaller country there is less variety simply because there are less people to create variety as well? I generally think everything is a double-edged sword though - our strengths are our weaknesses. Being organized means the roads are well-cared for and houses are well-built. What is "exact" or "precise" in one situation though, may be "rigid" and "inflexible" in another.
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jostein
post 16.Feb.2013, 02:34 AM
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Here is an article written by Thomas Gür about the unbalanced nature of swedish officialdom(sexlaws that were making pedophilia legal in 1975 to extremely uptight sexlaws and moralic panics today):
http://www.svd.se/opinion/ledarsidan/i-sve...rna_5918941.svd

Here is another article about other excesses of swedish officialdom(~sweden was one of the worlds most militarized countries):
http://www.newsmill.se/node/3490

(apologies to the locallers that they are in swedish, if you are interested google translate is your friend)

And we all know the sterilizations etcetera of the fifties and sixties(?). And we know the total lunacy of swedish officialdom today.

Now, it is unclear if this is any quality in us Swedes. Or it is more that Swedes prefer not to argue and not get into politics but rather build and construct things. Leaving the field open to the really henious monsters who have not a shred of morality in them.
I have not a clue. I do believe that Swedes in general have an aversion to debate and intellectual arguments. I know this because its very frustrating to me since i cherish such.
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dave.smith
post 16.Feb.2013, 07:44 AM
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Joined: 12.Jan.2007

So it seems it isn't official policy of SD to want to do repatriation, but individuals associated with the party have mentioned it in the past.

Yes, Garry's original post was not accurate as things stand now, but who's to say that the SD will not gravitate towards more radical policies once they are in power? It's not as if such things have never been brought up before.

Although I am not really worried about SD after visiting their site. Do I agree with their policies? Not all of them, for sure. But if they did get into power, I don't think it would be the end of Sweden. They are less radical than I have been led to believe. But the possibility of what Garry originally posted is impossible to completely rule out, so I would be slightly uneasy.
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jostein
post 16.Feb.2013, 11:31 AM
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Joined: 22.Mar.2011

FYI, in 2001 the SD party actually split in two, the Sverigedemokraterna and the Nationademokraterna over the definition of "Swedishness".
Sverigedemokraterna backed "cultural nationalism", ie includes adoptive kids, assimilated immigrants in their definition of swedishness. While the Nationaldemokraterna only includes "genetic swedishness".

Imho, if a party splits over an issue its probably backing that issue with sincerity. If this is relevant to repatriation i do not know. I could imagine them repatriating muslim enclaves for example, that would not be totally against their ideology as far as i can tell. But ive never heard it mentioned except by the similar party in Denmark, Dansk folkeparti.

Here are two videos from their "Futureseminare".
Party Secretary Björn Söder presenting and analysing a statistical survey sent out to their members:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20HOYBgcJ00

Party leader Jimmy Åkesson mapping out strategies to get more votes and analysing the electorate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRA2oNDj0qk

Personally i do NOT support SD. They are all about preserving culture and the wellfare state. And swedish culture is absolutely totally broken and the wellfare state is unjust and a poison in peoples minds. IMHO.
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Yorkshireman
post 16.Feb.2013, 12:25 PM
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Joined: 22.Nov.2011

QUOTE (dave.smith @ 16.Feb.2013, 07:44 AM) *
... but who's to say that the SD will not gravitate towards more radical policies once they are in power?...

And what makes You believe that any other political party (M,S,FP etc) won't change their mind? Just look now at the fight within Lööf's childrens-club party about multiple marriages and open borders biggrin.gif ...the days of ideals within parties are gone, now they pull together similar policies for votes catching!

To the OP... I am curious ... You state that a nazi-like party if it got 51% of the vote might eject from the country all immigrants. What I wonder is this ...51% of the vote, if immigrant policies was the main catch, means that 51% of the population also wouldn't want immigrants here ... You seem to be bothered about being thrown out of a country when the majority of the population wouldn't want you here anyway, and truely ... Would You WANT to live in a country like that anyway? ohmy.gif (I wouldn't, I would move with my family).

Theoretically the vote reflects the wishes of the population ...well, voting population, which is reasonably high in Sweden.
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Garry Jones
post 16.Feb.2013, 04:26 PM
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> To the OP... I am curious

51% of who exactly? The people blessed with the vote?

Many people identify with their own nationality. I was born English and that I remain. I chose to move to Sweden but I do feel there is a flaw in Swedish (and indeed Western) democracy. Sweden has been very heavy on cases in other countries. For instance they gave major support to the ANC in Africa whilst Thatcher's and the mainstream political and public view in the UK was that Mandela was a murderer who deserved to rot in jail and that the ANC were a terrorist organisation. The IRA had a lot of sympathy in contemporary Swedish media with Bobby Sands declared a folk hero fighting for freedom against the oppressive regime in the UK. The ethos Sweden rallied behind was “One man, one vote”.

Shame it does not extend to foreigners in their own country. Having lived here 25 years and paying a lot of tax I have no say in how that tax money is spent on a national level as I choose to remain true to my identity as a proud Englishman. I thoroughly support our sporting heroes in the UK and revelled in the glory of 2012, headed by Bradley Wiggins in tour de France, Andy Murray in the tennis and a plethora of Olympic Gold medals. It is important to me and my beliefs and therefore I also choose not to apply for Swedish Citizenship.

As I registered as an expat when I left UK with the tax office my name was struck off the electoral register in 2008 as overseas residents only keep their vote for 20 years. As such I am persona non-grata living in a so-called Western Democracy. One man, no vote. In Sweden. 2013!

As such, I and many like me do not have a vote against the SD. How can we vote against a party that wants to kick us out when we do not have a vote? What type of democracy is this? Shades of Hitler? Supported by the current Western ideals of democracy which are based in a time people did not move around so much. Surely we should vote in the country we live and pay tax? Isn’t the idea to allow the taxpayers to decide how their money is spent?

As for what the SD could do if they rose to power and how that could be achieved:. Lessons, surely, can be drawn from Hitler's rise. We need to get the normal everyday Swede to realise that the SD ARE a bunch of Nazis dressed up in a current political vessel which is in fact a Trojan horse full of Nazis.

Key notes on Hitler’s manipulation of democracy and rise to power: Let this not happen again. Stop the SD. Educate the Swedes. (And give us the vote).

Hitlers Nazi party.
1924 3.0%, 14 seats
1928 2.6%, 12 seats
1930 18.3% 107 seats
1932 37.3% 230 seats
1932 33.1% 196 seats
1933 43.9% 288 seats

To achieve full political control despite not having an absolute majority in parliament, Hitler's government brought the Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act) to a vote in the newly elected Reichstag. The act gave Hitler's cabinet full legislative powers for a period of four years and allowed deviations from the constitution. The bill required a two-thirds majority to pass. Leaving nothing to chance, the Nazis used the provisions of the Reichstag Fire Decree to keep several Social Democratic deputies from attending; the Communists had already been banned.

On 23 March, the Reichstag assembled at the Kroll Opera House under turbulent circumstances. Ranks of SA men served as guards inside the building, while large groups outside opposing the proposed legislation shouted slogans and threats toward the arriving members of parliament. The position of the Centre Party, the third largest party in the Reichstag, turned out to be decisive. After Hitler verbally promised party leader Ludwig Kaas that President von Hindenburg would retain his power of veto, Kaas announced the Centre Party would support the Enabling Act. Ultimately, the Enabling Act passed by a vote of 441–84, with all parties except the Social Democrats voting in favour. The Enabling Act, along with the Reichstag Fire Decree, transformed Hitler's government into a de facto legal dictatorship.

Having achieved full control over the legislative and executive branches of government, Hitler and his political allies began to systematically suppress the remaining political opposition. The Social Democratic Party was banned and all its assets seized. While many trade union delegates were in Berlin for May Day activities, SA stormtroopers demolished union offices around the country. On 2 May 1933 all trade unions were forced to dissolve and their leaders were arrested; some were sent to concentration camps. The German Labour Front was formed as an umbrella organisation to represent all workers, administrators, and company owners, thus reflecting the concept of national socialism in the spirit of Hitler's Volksgemeinschaft (German racial community; literally, "people's community").

In 1934, Hitler became Germany's head of state with the title of Führer und Reichskanzler (leader and chancellor of the Reich).

By the end of June, the other parties had been intimidated into disbanding. With the help of the SA, Hitler pressured his nominal coalition partner, Hugenberg, into resigning. On 14 July 1933, the NSDAP was declared the only legal political party in Germany. The demands of the SA for more political and military power caused much anxiety among military, industrial, and political leaders. Hitler responded by purging the entire SA leadership in the Night of the Long Knives, which took place from 30 June to 2 July 1934. Hitler targeted Ernst Röhm and other SA leaders who, along with a number of Hitler's political adversaries (such as Gregor Strasser and former chancellor Kurt von Schleicher), were rounded up, arrested, and shot. While the international community and some Germans were shocked by the murders, many in Germany saw Hitler as restoring order.

On 2 August 1934, President von Hindenburg died. The previous day, the cabinet had enacted the "Law Concerning the Highest State Office of the Reich". This law stated that upon Hindenburg's death, the office of president would be abolished and its powers merged with those of the chancellor. Hitler thus became head of state as well as head of government, and was formally named as Führer und Reichskanzler (leader and chancellor). This law violated the Enabling Act—while it allowed Hitler to deviate from the constitution, the Act explicitly barred him from passing any law tampering with the presidency. In 1932, the constitution had been amended to make the president of the High Court of Justice, not the chancellor, acting president pending new elections. With this law, Hitler removed the last legal remedy by which he could be removed from office.

As head of state, Hitler became Supreme Commander of the armed forces. The traditional loyalty oath of servicemen was altered to affirm loyalty to Hitler personally, rather than to the office of supreme commander or the state. On 19 August, the merger of the presidency with the chancellorship was approved by 90% of the electorate voting in a plebiscite.
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