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Swedish Emergency services failure.

Ambulances stats show they take too long.

skogsbo
post 26.Feb.2013, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE (Pursuivant @ 26.Feb.2013, 04:35 PM) *
I find it a "fail" the mere fact there is a need for an ambulance to have a police escort. If people in the ghetto die due to this, blame yourselves for your own act ... (show full quote)

a good read or listen is Niall Fergusons Reith lecture topic last year. Part of what he spoke about was the lack of a civil society anymore. Folk will allow their neighbourhoods to disintergrate because it's not their problem, then when in this case the police need to escort an ambulance, that is also the states problem etc. It's also not their problem to try and re-establish a neighbourhood, it's the states problem etc..

it's available to download to avoid buying the whole book - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17259197
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/reith It's a 4 parter, only No.3 is a bit dull.

don't let the title put you off, it is much more about society and education, than law and economics. It's basically how we (in general) have become the selfish generation, expecting everything from society or the state, but generally unwilling to give nothing back to our fellow man or leave anything for future generations.

In the context of burdening the next 1 or 2 generations with massive state debt, or burning every gram of fossil fuel in the ground as fast as we can, or claiming benefits without the intention to ever earn and pay tax etc..
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Pursuivant
post 26.Feb.2013, 05:21 PM
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It's also not their problem to try and re-establish a neighbourhood, it's the states problem etc..

And if the "state" tries to re-establish something, its surely is against someones "human rights" eve if its not "racism and xenophobia"... I say, put all the "human rights" advocates and activists live with their "humans", put a fence around the neighbourhood and let only decent people come out. Not "humans" or "activists".
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skogsbo
post 26.Feb.2013, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE (Pursuivant @ 26.Feb.2013, 05:21 PM) *
And if the "state" tries to re-establish something, its surely is against someones "human rights" eve if its not "racism and xenophobia"...

what he says is that if the state intervenes in general it won't work, efforts by the people themselves are what works, because they have or should have the motives, the knowledge and everything to gain. The state will always be seen as interferring.

The state can provide access to resources for say community projects, land, planning permission, trainers for x,y, or z. But it's the people who need to decide how they can bond their community, what projects they'll have or facilities, then gain access to the resources.

he did the lectures in 4 different places in the UK and the USA, there is a Q&A session at the end of each one, the only place he was heckled or talked over was in Scotland, by Scottish and Irish senior trade unions representatives, a very sad but true representation of the UK society. At the other 3 talks, all the delegates gave and answered very articulate and professional questions, in Edinburgh one Scottish union boss offered this professor to take his discussion outside! There is little hope for the UK, I might be proved wrong, but it appears past a turning point now.
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mångk
post 26.Feb.2013, 05:56 PM
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Ringing 911 to say that your Byke has a fatty doesn't count! blink.gif

NO emergency service will say that they meet their quota 100%, if they do then one can complain that the quota was unrealistic! Think about that for a moment! unsure.gif
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Migga
post 26.Feb.2013, 06:14 PM
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Sweden is Europes fifth largest country, it`s big. The density of people is amongst the lowest in the world. Swedes want to live in nature and still be 10 min from an ambulance. Won`t work. Ergo, ambulance system seem like a failure.
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byke
post 26.Feb.2013, 06:24 PM
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More Swedes live in Stockholm than any other city in Sweden.
In fact, if you add up all the people in major towns and cities and Sweden you will find that they count for the large majority of inhabitants.

Ergo your claim is BS
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byke
post 26.Feb.2013, 06:31 PM
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Actually I wish to rescind the last comment towards Migga regarding "BS".
I misread your user name for another who has been hounding me, so for that my apologies.
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mångk
post 26.Feb.2013, 06:33 PM
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Byke, how many people live in Stockholm and how many live in Sweden???
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Rick Methven
post 26.Feb.2013, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 26.Feb.2013, 06:31 PM) *
Actually I wish to rescind the last comment towards Migga regarding "BS".. I misread your user name for another who has been hounding me, so for that my apologies.

You mean that some dastardly person is actually hounding you. Heaven forfend
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mångk
post 26.Feb.2013, 06:39 PM
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Poor freja...
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byke
post 26.Feb.2013, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 26.Feb.2013, 06:24 PM) *
In fact, if you add up all the people in major towns and cities and Sweden you will find that they count for the large majority of inhabitants.



QUOTE (mångk @ 26.Feb.2013, 06:33 PM) *
Byke, how many people live in Stockholm and how many live in Sweden???


Do you have a problem reading or just another feeble attempt to take stuff out of context?
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mångk
post 26.Feb.2013, 06:40 PM
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wait I will retract that... me no fel...
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mångk
post 26.Feb.2013, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 26.Feb.2013, 06:24 PM) *
if you add up all the people in major towns and cities and Sweden you will find that they count for the large majority of inhabitants.


No no no. Mr Byke, no fel...

(For the rest; stockholm does not have more than 50% of the population of Sweden... think about it and what 'ute och cyklar' said... )
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byke
post 26.Feb.2013, 06:52 PM
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No one ever said Stockholm accounted for 50% of the nation?
In fact I have re quoted the same sentence again for you since you cant read.

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More Swedes live in Stockholm than any other city in Sweden.
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mångk
post 26.Feb.2013, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 26.Feb.2013, 06:24 PM) *
More Swedes live in Stockholm than any other city in Sweden.In fact, if you add up all the people in major towns and cities and Sweden you will find that they count for the la ... (show full quote)

Ergo... me no fel.

They in that context equals 'stockholm'. Me no fel...
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