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Denmark leads in racism

Ghetto strategy implemented by government

PDX
post 4.Mar.2013, 10:00 AM
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Will Sweden be following same steps soon?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe...s-a-759716.html

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byke
post 4.Mar.2013, 10:09 AM
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I don't know if that was meant as a wind up in regards to past stories I have posted.
But must say it was a very interesting article.

Especially considering the bridge that seperates the 2 countries is linked to a town in Sweden which is often foreseen as a very news worthy area.
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PDX
post 4.Mar.2013, 10:11 AM
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Silberfüchschen
post 4.Mar.2013, 10:33 AM
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The article was written in April 2011. The goverment in Denmark has since changed and the influence of the Danish People's Party has lessened.

It is not about Sweden and it is not news. An article about the Sweden Democrats would perhaps be more relevant.
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post 4.Mar.2013, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE (Silberfüchschen @ 4.Mar.2013, 10:33 AM) *
It is not about Sweden and it is not news. An article about the Sweden Democrats would perhaps be more relevant.

I would say that the more interesting part of the article is that they took the trouble to calculate how much the immigration policies cost. This is actually something that is missing across many countries, Sweden included. There is very little comparative data available. In Sweden for example, it is often clouded in smoke, and the standard reasoning is that no political party really wants the data clarifying and publishing, since the true cost is so large the fear is that if it was clarified and published it would swing the majority of the population against those policies.
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PDX
post 4.Mar.2013, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (Silberfüchschen @ 4.Mar.2013, 11:33 AM) *
The goverment in Denmark has since changed and the influence of the Danish People's Party has lessened.

So they don't like saving money anymore unsure.gif ?

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byke
post 4.Mar.2013, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (Yorkshireman @ 4.Mar.2013, 10:48 AM) *
In Sweden for example, it is often clouded in smoke, and the standard reasoning is that no political party really wants the data clarifying and publishing, since the true cost ... (show full quote)

If that was the case, what does it say about the political system in Sweden and how society is governed?
There has to be a clear separation between science and scrutiny in regards to freedom of information, and that of political propaganda (as suggested).

But even so, lets say that you statement holds some truth.
Then why would have Sweden gotten to the point it has in immigration? There has to be some benefit to someone along the line? Such as political power, revenue, ideology and so on.

That for me would be a very interesting subject and insight into ideas surrounding such.
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Migga
post 4.Mar.2013, 03:46 PM
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The gain you speak of byke is that the left gain votes from bringing in certain immigrants. The right gain cheap labour.
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oddsock
post 4.Mar.2013, 05:52 PM
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Will I give the standard Migga answer?

There are right wing immigrants, also there are left wing immigrants. Just because you met some left wing immigrants, that does not mean you say that all immigrants are left wing. Also, I know a right wing guy who pays his employees very good wages, are you accusing him of cheap labour? You cannot just come on to a forum and make generalisations like this, based on your limited experience. I think you are letting your emotions get ahead of you. Clearly you have a complex about immigrants and the left wing, I think you need to view things in a more balanced way.

That was tiring to write.
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Max Reaver
post 5.Mar.2013, 10:10 AM
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One thing I heard. The way Swedish Radiotjänst is raping the smartphone/computer/iPad owners these days with their forced implementation of TV-license fee is copied from Denmark. So I'd say these two countries do learn from each other tongue.gif
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Yorkshireman
post 5.Mar.2013, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE (oddsock @ 4.Mar.2013, 05:52 PM) *
There are right wing immigrants, also there are left wing immigrants. Just because you met some left wing immigrants, that does not mean you say that all immigrants are left w ... (show full quote)

The relaxing of work permit requirements was pushed to the general public as a measure to encourage skilled non-EU labour to be able to come to Sweden to cover so-called shortages. The fact that the data shows that it is a large percentage of non/low-skilled-work permits that are issued, in addition to the minimum salary requirement being 13.000:-/m (which is less than half the average salary in Sweden), kind of points towards a policy of bringing in cheap labour! There of-course will be exceptions, a few employers that pay ok does not hide the other big fact.

QUOTE (Max Reaver @ 5.Mar.2013, 10:10 AM) *
The way Swedish Radiotjänst is raping the smartphone/computer/iPad owners these days

Radiotjänst have no power (at the moment) to get information from telecom, internet or other sales outlets with regards the device/agreement ownership in question, they can only ask the individuals that today do not have tv-licenses if they have such things, or catch someone just as they have to with TVs. It's hardly raping! rolleyes.gif
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byke
post 5.Mar.2013, 10:37 AM
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It is if its a service not used.
Tablets often require 3rd party apps to be able to run these so called channels and the apps to deliver such are proprietary to the channels themselves. Yet there is no accountability to their own distribution of technology.

We need to see not a tax implementation but a huge reduction in spending for these state aired channels. The spending patterns and ridiculous amounts of wasted cash such as overhead costs of establishments such as radiotjanst is a disgrace.

Shut down radiotjanst, SVT should only have 1 state funded channel and local radio should be reduced to 2 hours per day and run through rented space at commercial stations.
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Yorkshireman
post 5.Mar.2013, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE (byke @ 5.Mar.2013, 10:37 AM) *
It is if its a service not used.Tablets often require 3rd party apps to be able to run these so called channels and the apps to deliver such are proprietary to the channels th ... (show full quote)

Your point is mute. The law is technology neutral, and specifically ignores the whether you use a service or not, it is about possibility not actual.

QUOTE (byke @ 5.Mar.2013, 10:37 AM) *
Shut down radiotjanst, SVT should only have 1 state funded channel and local radio should be reduced to 2 hours per day and run through rented space at commercial stations.

It is exactly the closure of Radiotjänst that is the vision of introducing the tax, since the tax would be collected centrally via the tax declaration, Radiotjänst would no longer be needed for detection and collection.
Mind You, there is an additional cost to tax payers if those 100+ employees cannot find alternative jobs!
As a champion of freedom of speech, especially for minorities? I am surprised you want to reduce the medium that is provided for this. The general comment about SVT/SR is that it is very difficult if you are not part of a minority group to get in there wink.gif
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byke
post 5.Mar.2013, 02:08 PM
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If those radiotjanst workers cant find jobs, then it shows what real value to society they have.
Maybe they could live with the swedish royal family?
Since they have to be the highest profile group of people where we see whole families who for many generations havent worked and just sponged off the state. And their council house has more than enough spare rooms.

As for freedom of speech for minorities?
Seriously ...
Nothing says freedom like having to pay for a service which doesnt even broadcast in your language and you cant choose to unsubscribe for.
Thats on par with get citizens to pay for a select religious tax (such as Christianity) when you yourself are either not religious or have an opposing religion - just because this one group has been singled out and described as Swedish and needs to be protected LOL
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oddsock
post 5.Mar.2013, 02:17 PM
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Yes, and the 0.18% burial tax.
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