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Swedish health care system

Your experiences and opinions please.

Seamus Sean
post 16.Jun.2013, 03:35 PM
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Joined: 4.Oct.2009

While writing on a thread here discussing the cost of living in Sweden, health care popped up in the discussion.

It got me thinking that maybe such a serious subject deserves a thread all of it´s own.

As I said on the other thread I only have my experience to go by, and how I wasn´t overly impressed but I added maybe I have just been unlucky in meeting the doctors that I have so far, and these buffoons are the exception rather than the norm.

Or have others encountered such doctors?

Maybe many will have stories to share that can restore my faith in the health care system here.

Maybe there are similar stories to mine that can be equally as scary.

So I hope to hear from anyone with an opinion or story to share.
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Model T Ford
post 16.Jun.2013, 03:59 PM
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Joined: 31.May.2013

I have been most impressed by Swedish healthcare.

When I fell unconscious in Gronsta when I first came to Sweden in 1997, apparently the result of George Tenet's CIA getting a restaurant in Portugal's Caldas da Rainha to poison me because of my complaints of Bubba's harboring criminals like Nixon, Helms, and Haig in the White House, I was taken by ambulance to Danderyd, sewn up by a doctor, and given a catscan, all on a summer, Saturday afternoon, and only at a cost of $36.

When the damage to some of my vital organs resurfaced in a strange case of diabetes about 15 years later, I found the treatment by the local clinic, and my doctor most sensible, cheap and satisfactory.

And during that time, my girlfriend had several successful operations, including a six hour one which removed a large tumor from the left side of her face without any nerve damage which would have greatly detracted from her looks.

Now, here in the States, I dread having to sign up for its healthcare.
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Seamus Sean
post 16.Jun.2013, 05:43 PM
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Joined: 4.Oct.2009

Your stories are most reassuring to me, although your brush with the American secret service took place many years ago when maybe the health care system was healthier or maybe they just wanted to scare you and they made sure you received only the greatest of care?
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RlVER
post 16.Jun.2013, 06:33 PM
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Joined: 7.May.2013

Swedish healthcare delivers all the joy of Dr. Mengele without the expertise.
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Seamus Sean
post 17.Jun.2013, 02:45 PM
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Ouch! Not a fan so I take it RIVER??

Any particular reasons?

So far the posts are fairly even for and against.

Anyone else got anything good or bad to add on the subject, I´m most interested in hearing your take on the health care here.

Some one on the other thread suggested Sweden has the highest number of medical cock ups and the fact that doctors are not punished or sacked was the reason behind it.

Does anyone know if a law suit could be taken out against a hospital or health centre for malpractice, for example they get things so wrong the patient dies a slow painful death that needed not to have been if the people he entrusted with his health had done their job??
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cogito
post 17.Jun.2013, 08:16 PM
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Joined: 30.Dec.2009

Seamus,
Swedish health care? Here's a start:
http://www.thelocal.se/35526/20110813/
http://www.thelocal.se/33260/20110418/
http://www.thelocal.se/35250/20110730/
http://www.thelocal.se/33848/20110518/
http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s...l=#.UZIJAuDEOlI
http://www.thelocal.se/42078/20120717/
http://www.thelocal.se/39838/20120323/
http://www.thelocal.se/33350/20110421/

btw, what's with this dumbed-down rubrik "community"(yuk) where it used to say "discussion?"
Every time I see the p.c. word "community," I switch to a different site.

Nothing to do with the subject of this thread, but the TL Discussion--oops! *community*--page has been re-designed in a way that one wonders if the objective is to discourage discussion.

Any suggestions how to get the old format back?
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LeoKinmann
post 17.Jun.2013, 08:34 PM
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Joined: 30.Jun.2010

My take is, if you are terminally ill or have cancer or heart attack then you might enjoy the full attention of the Swedish medical system. Anything smaller and you will have bad experience every now and then.

When I was in college I once had insomnia and some very uncomfortable feelings in my heart. One day, after not able to sleep due to heart racing, I just wanted to get it over with somehow. Lucky for me, it was a Saturday so no clinic or Vårdcentral was open. I had to go to Akademiska sjukhuset in Uppsala, only the emergency was open.

So they took me in, heard my story and put me in a room to wait. They told me to stay put and wait to be called by doctors. That was 10am. In the meantime, I was told to not eat anything, since they might take my blood sample. A couple of hours later a nurse came in and took my ECG. Since then, I had to wait 5 hours before another nurse came to tell me that I didn't need any blood-sampling, and brought some snacks. Before I only had breakfast, it was around 7pm that I had my second meal, which consisted of a cup of yogurt and one small sandwich. By the time a real doctor finally came around to talk to me, it was already 10pm. He said my heart was due to stress, probably caused by short-term insomnia, but then the heart condition itself strengthened my insomnia, making both things worse. In order to be sure, he said, he had to take my ECG and consult a cardiologist. That took him one hour. So I spent more than 10 hours in the hospital, confined to a small room all by myself, with nobody to talk to, and I wasn't allowed to call anyone either.

This year I visited a hospital in Switzerland. As soon as they heard me say the word "heart" the nurses and doctors were all over me. I was cleared in less than two hours after thorough testing which included ECG and various blood sampling (having had meal earlier wasn't even an issue). It turned out I only had a thorax muscle pain, which was sort of what I suspected since the beginning. I know it costs a lot more than in Sweden, but my medical insurance in Switzerland provides adequate coverage for hospital visits.

I don't think Sweden is less adequate when it comes to state-of-art medtech, the problem is Swedish hospitals are unbelievably understaffed. This puts so much pressure on the doctors and nurses, and patients suffer as a result.
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Model T Ford
post 17.Jun.2013, 09:10 PM
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Joined: 31.May.2013

Today's NYT has a glowing article about Sweden's heath system by Richard Frank which Americans should be able to relate to.

Hi Cogito, good to see that you are still around, and helping out.

Would seem that sending an e-mail to the administrators about gutting back the old format would help, but they apparently never read them.

I tried to find out why I was summarily banned while still in Sweden, but never received a reply.

Had to adopt a new user name and e-mail to get back.

Cheers.
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Hisingen
post 17.Jun.2013, 11:40 PM
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Location: Västra Götaland
Joined: 5.Jul.2012

I have made two comments regarding Health Care - Post No. 21 and Post No.35, under the heading 'What are the good things you like about Sweden.
To those I can also add two eye operations correcting cataracts in both eyes, and also repairing - after fifty years - damage that was the result of a shooting incident in Malaya during military service. Back then the eye specialist, Major R K Pilcher in Singapore Military Hospital, did not have the equipment that is now available but still managed to save the sight of my eye. Both eye operations were carried out at the hospital in Uddevalla, and I am on the list for further treatment at the same department once again. This due to age.
The treatment I received was first class, as were the nursing staff and the ophthalmic specialist at the hospital, whom I am hoping will be treating me yet again.

My feeling is this, that the reception and the treatment you receive is often a reflection of your own personal attitude towards those treating you. Not always of course, there are exceptions. But as a general rule. I have always been well received (with the one exception as in Post No.21) and have been well treated, and have absolutely nothing to complain of. In fact, following the operation on the once damaged eye, my sight was returned to first grade vision after the removal of damaged tissue that Major Pilcher was unable to remove. Laser equipment was not available in 1951!!

In 1948 I was in Huntingdon County Hospital, having had to undergo an operation for hernia, and the only problems I experienced there was being told off for jumping up and down on the bed when I should have been lying still. I was luckier than the patient in the bed beside me - he had literally been run over by a steam roller, his leg being saved by it having been pressed into the still soft macadam that they had been surfacing the road with.

No - Swedish health care has been good to me, and all the personnel friendly and helpful. Complaints - I have absolutely none, and as an octogenarian I could be in far worse shape than I am...
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Taxalien
post 18.Jun.2013, 12:41 AM
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Joined: 24.Dec.2009

Thanks Hisingen for your colourful explanation of your own experience. It makes it much easier to understand who you are and how and why you value the things the way you do.

May I finish by saying that you are totally deluded as to the quality of Swedish healthcare. And to flip in a comment that this somehow reflects on the personal attitude of oneself towards carers is absolutely insane.

I've had personal experiences and I have seen my family mistreated on several occassions. I am totally flabbergasted at your total ignorance and how you on the one hand laud your experience in the former empire as fantastic compared to what was then available and now, visavi the fantastic care you get now.

The problem with Sweden is that basic healthcare is not given. So, unless you actually go and sit for a few hours in an A&E ward and just note what goes on in there, I suggest you shut up so as not to confuse anyone about what the true state of medical care here is, which is totally substandard to a degree of lesser quality than in many development countries.

That is not to say that you cannot get state of the art treatment of certain medical operations, Of course you can. You yourself experienced this.

However, a medical service that cannot treat broken limbs, children in pains without queuing for 10+ hours or in some cases days is not a medical service. It's a joke.
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Hisingen
post 18.Jun.2013, 10:18 AM
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Location: Västra Götaland
Joined: 5.Jul.2012

Taxalien, from your vitriolic comments it makes me wonder from which country you originate. If you read the comment on the other thread, you would actually have seen that I was reporting a very recent (Saturday) visit to A & E in Uddevalla, and my personal experience of the treatment available. That would have meant, though, that you had to read ! ! !
However, since you consider me insane, then what recourse do I have but to say exactly the same about you. Titt for tatt.
I only speak from personal experience, not from things I read in the press, or from generalisations.
So, my dear fellow, go and boil your head.

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skogsbo
post 18.Jun.2013, 10:41 AM
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I've had good experiences so far here, on average probably better than the UK. I had a leukemia scare over a year ago, caused by swollen glands. I was referred from my local doctor immediately to the specialist in town, an hour later they were taking my bloods there. I had to wait a few hours for the results and they didn't want me to go away and not to eat or drink anything, as depending on what they found they might want to operate and remove a gland that evening. Luckily the results were ok etc.

Whilst many others have negative experiences, I don't doubt that my negative experience turn will also come. Health services across the world are stretched way beyond their means, costs have rocketed, but the money people are prepared to pay has only crept up. You can't get a 5* service on 3* money.

These days people expect to have emergency services just appear in minutes of ringing for help, regardless of their location or time of day. They expect a nurse, doctor, consultant to be floating around just waiting for patients to arrive. Well it just isn't going to happen anymore unless folk pay a lot more in tax and the incompetent public servant managers are culled.

The UK's NHS employs 1 million people, that's 1 and 60 people. Yet still they are stretched, because health is manpower driven and as we live longer, eat, drink & smoke more, we aren't helping it either. Personally unless more people go private, I don't think it will get any better, we've seen the best already.
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cogito
post 18.Jun.2013, 01:26 PM
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Joined: 30.Dec.2009

QUOTE (Model T Ford @ 17.Jun.2013, 09:10 PM) *
Today's NYT has a glowing article about Sweden's heath system by Richard Frank which Americans should be able to relate to.Hi Cogito, good to see that you are still ar ... (show full quote)

Hi "Trowbridge,"
I've been back and forth in and out of Se all spring. Nice to see you, too...if you are really you.

The NYTimes lacks credibility on all things Swedish as well as on health care. The writer apparently visited Sweden for one month and interviewed bureaucrat shills for the system. To take but one example from the article you mention, the authors bring up the infant mortality rate stats. If he (or the NYT editors) looked at the numbers or done some basic research, he'd know these stats. were discredited long ago and he'd know why.

I shouldn't bother sending emails to the TL admin. Judging by the new format (*community*? groan!) I think they may have added some little girls to the staff.

If you're the real Trow, welcome back.
If you're a pseudo Trow, welcome anyway. I consider your posts tribute to the real Trow, wherever he is.
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cogito
post 18.Jun.2013, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE (Model T Ford @ 17.Jun.2013, 09:10 PM) *
Today's NYT has a glowing article about Sweden's heath system by Richard Frank which Americans should be able to relate to.Hi Cogito, good to see that you are still ar ... (show full quote)

Hi "Trowbridge,"
I've been back and forth, in and out, all spring. Nice to see you, too...if you are really you.

The writer apparently visited Sweden for one month and interviewed bureaucrat shills for the system. To take but one example from the article you mention, the author brings up the infant mortality rate stats. If he (or the NYT editors) looked at the numbers or done some basic research, he'd know these stats. were discredited long ago and he'd know why.The NYTimes lacks credibility on all things Swedish--as well as on health care.

I shouldn't bother sending emails to the TL admin. Judging by the new format (*community*? groan!) I think they may have added some little girls to the staff.

If you're the real Trow, welcome back.
If you're a pseudo Trow, welcome anyway. I consider your posts tribute to the real Trow, wherever he is.
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cogito
post 18.Jun.2013, 01:41 PM
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Joined: 30.Dec.2009

I have no idea why my post above appeared twice. Probably because my fingers move faster than my brain.

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 18.Jun.2013, 10:41 AM) *
I've had good experiences so far here, on average probably better than the UK...These days people expect to have emergency services just appear in minutes of ringing for h ... (show full quote)

Nothing indiicates that anyone expects Emergency care in "a couple of minutes." The wait is typically 8-10 hours.

But by all means, let's blame the people, not the system. How rude of those who have paid for health care in advance with their taxes (in the case of the elderly for 30-40 years) to complain when they don't receive the goods they paid for.

Health care in Sweden is better than in the U.K? I believe that's what is known as killing with faint praise.
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