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Radiotjänst what the hell is that

Invoices, debt

Mike77
post 4.Sep.2013, 07:56 PM
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Hi.

First things first: does anyone know what the f**k is this "company"? Is it some institution that belongs to the government?

Since a year they bombarded me with phone calls asking same retarded question repetitively. the answer was always the same 'no, I don't have a tv at my place'. Since March they started sending invoices which I obviously dumped faster than read. Apparently someone extremely intelligent in their office decided that my PC is a TV receiver (together with my hairdryer and toaster in the kitchen) BECAUSE it has internet connectivity.

Of course they threatened that they'll forward this case to bailiff if I refuse to pay and that as far as I know might cause some troubles later if I plan to stay in Sweden.

As the side note I think I'm not planning to stay longer so basically question is being rephrased, can they pull me to the court?

It's strange because they weren't so nosey last year. Are you looking for money mr A. Borg? Perhaps start from lowering your personal income by, lets say, 500'000SEK? Fundamental of socialism: first rob someone, then give to someone else and play a hero
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Johno
post 4.Sep.2013, 08:23 PM
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Well, if you stuck "Radiotjänst" into Google you would have the answer plus a lead to threads on here concerning what you are raving about. Still, welcome to The Local, the venue for expats who can't use Google or be bothered to understand Swedish properly laugh.gif
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deaftoned
post 4.Sep.2013, 08:35 PM
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LOL
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Mike77
post 4.Sep.2013, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE (Johno @ 4.Sep.2013, 08:23 PM) *
Well, if you stuck "Radiotjänst" into Google you would have the answer plus a lead to threads on here concerning what you are raving about. Still, welcome to The Lo ... (show full quote)

I should call you a dick but actually you made me laugh laugh.gif

I didn't find anything useful so far but bunch of law-keepers who call those who don't pay thieves sad.gif

If I understand correctly I can simply tell them I don't have internet, smartphone or tablet, pay the previous invoices and close the case.
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Mike77
post 4.Sep.2013, 09:23 PM
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Oh I found some post of yours from the past

http://cap.ring0.cc/8031be23db74599f568776f7c418676b.png

This line ends when someone forces you to pay for something you don't do/use/have.

Like it wasn't enough that I have to pay healthcare tax and I didn't visit doctor/nurse since 2 years. Yes, I am paying for retards on motorcycles who happened to crash and now I have to pay for those who watch TV.
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Abe L
post 4.Sep.2013, 10:12 PM
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It's a completely absurd and very Swedish "tax". They couldn't come up with an intelligent design as to how they should charge/invoice people who want to use their channels so instead they victimised everyone. It isn't 2013 after all and simply sticking the channels behind a box or requiring a login online is impossible. So now you end up paying if you are theoretically able to receive the channels and they go to the extreme with it, so owning a smartphone means you have to pay it.

With the upcoming elections, any party that will propose shooting down this sick little organisation will definitely gain some points on my behalf. I in fact do not understand how this fits in with the current government's views.

Paying for a product I do not use, want or even believe should exist is just wrong. Most Swedes in fact agree this collection system is broken.
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Mike77
post 4.Sep.2013, 10:48 PM
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Sweden in theory follows separation of powers model which in theory would mean that judge will correct stupid politicians and vice-versa, however: http://www.aftonbladet.se/minekonomi/article17011002.ab

I hope the judge(s) at least got good money for from radiotjanst chairman.

Abe,
Paying for a product you do not use was and is still common practice in Moscow.
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Johno
post 5.Sep.2013, 08:28 AM
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This bloke is seriously unhinged. Googling (on google.se which any savy person uses for Swedish matters) takes you to past The Local threads where the very contentious nature of this measure has been so well aired. eg http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=40772

Funny attitude to say "I didn't find anything useful so far but bunch of law-keepers who call those who don't pay thieves " and then "Like it wasn't enough that I have to pay healthcare tax and I didn't visit doctor/nurse since 2 years. ". He quotes from an old post of mine from well before this issue came up where I say "Amazing how folks can be sélective as to which laws they keep and which laws they break. TV licences, driving licences, so it continues." So he certainly falls into my category of those who think they can pick and choose what state taxes to pay, ie a freeloader.

Yet funnily there is some logic in this measure. Its a pretty fair proportion of folk I know who use their computers to access catch-up sites for tv programs they have missed in the last week. So really the issue is how do you or Radiotjänst prove whether you ever or never watch TV if you own some device capable of getting access. Since someone has to pay for State TV. Or should the whole licensing system change from where you just charge users, to everyone through general taxation.
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AgeOfReason
post 5.Sep.2013, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE (Mike77 @ 4.Sep.2013, 08:56 PM) *
Of course they threatened that they'll forward this case to bailiff if I refuse to pay and that as far as I know might cause some troubles later if I plan to stay in Sweden.

Being sent to Kronofogden is the least of the issues that arise if you do not pay for the license. Failure to pay, if they want, is also a criminal offence, so you will end up with a record in the Swedish crime register which many employers nowadays ask for print-outs from.

QUOTE (Johno @ 5.Sep.2013, 09:28 AM) *
So really the issue is how do you or Radiotjänst prove whether you ever or never watch TV if you own some device capable of getting access.

It isn't about whether you watch or not, but whether you have a device that enables that. The burden of proof lies with Radiotjänst to show you have such devices, they cannot enter your home, but if they can see the device through a window etc... that is proof enough.
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lattmjolk
post 5.Sep.2013, 02:31 PM
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The main points of having state financed television and radio channels:

  • Having broadcasting that is independent of commercial interests.
  • Being able to make programs that are not commercially viable. They could be aimed at minorities, hearing impaired, or be serious debates and documentaries, etc.


Now, personally, I think that there is way too much commercial content on public television these days. The radio is a bit better in this regard. However, it is still much better than the commercial channels.

I suggest that you pay your bills and start using these channels to learn Swedish. Watching English shows with Swedish subtitles might be an execellent method for you, or Swedish shows with Swedish subtitles, which are also available. SVT has way the best online play service where all their content is available.

A huge benefit with a big, non-commercial player like SVT (Swedish Television) is with big sports events like for example the olympics. Enjoying these without the commercial breaks alone makes it worth the cost in my opinion.

Oh, and Radiotjänst is the entity in charge of getting people to pay the statutory fees for the state owned radio and television.
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intrepidfox
post 5.Sep.2013, 02:40 PM
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It sounds like that you work for Radiotjänst.
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intrepidfox
post 5.Sep.2013, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE (AgeOfReason @ 5.Sep.2013, 08:46 AM) *
Being sent to Kronofogden is the least of the issues that arise if you do not pay for the license. Failure to pay, if they want, is also a criminal offence, so you will end up ... (show full quote)

The worst that will happen is Kronofogden BUT you do not get a criminal record for not paying the fee
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AgeOfReason
post 5.Sep.2013, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 5.Sep.2013, 03:51 PM) *
...BUT you do not get a criminal record for not paying the fee

Then I suppose those 3800 people that are reported to the police by Radiotjänst each year, taken to court and fined and end up with a record in the belastningsregister have all been complete mistakes! rolleyes.gif

When you do not pay the invoice, once they know you have a device, then they not only slap on additional reminder costs that also add a special fee for failure to pay of around 1400:-, they will then send it to Kronofogden for collection, but Kronofogden can only do so much before they pass it back to Radiotjänst who then have to take it to court. It is illegal not to pay the license, just as it is illegal to provide false information to them. They will report the non-payment to the police, you are then taken to court and fined and a record is created.
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Abe L
post 6.Sep.2013, 06:02 AM
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QUOTE (lattmjolk @ 5.Sep.2013, 02:31 PM) *
The main points of having state financed television and radio channels:Having broadcasting that is independent of commercial interests.Being able to make programs that are not ... (show full quote)

There is still no fundamental need for that, it could be partly subsidised but primarily any of that content should be payed for at all cost primarily by the viewers and not everyone owning a TV. The system is just horseshit, I have no other words for it. As a minority I can safely state I do not wish for television to be made for me. And we definitely shouldn't be funding multiple channels and stations for the sake of your arguments, that could all fit on 1 single channel.

In 2013 I can hardly imagine any content that is independent of commercial interests (even on STV).

The other bad thing in Sweden is that political opinions are voiced very openly on both TV and Radio, so STV is hardly politically neutral. Which would be the first and foremost thing you would expect from public television.

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A huge benefit with a big, non-commercial player like SVT (Swedish Television) is with big sports events like for example the olympics. Enjoying these without the commercial breaks alone makes it worth the cost in my opinion.

Ironically the only thing you mention that you consider pro-SVT is VERY commercially viable, there are already plenty of payed sports channels in Sweden. Since you apparently don't mind for paying for that niche, you sort off nailed the commercial viability.
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intrepidfox
post 6.Sep.2013, 07:59 AM
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Location: Gothenburg
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QUOTE (AgeOfReason @ 5.Sep.2013, 10:33 PM) *
Then I suppose those 3800 people that are reported to the police by Radiotjänst each year, taken to court and fined and end up with a record in the belastningsregister have a ... (show full quote)

If you do not pay your bill it will go to Kronofogden where it will stay registered until it is paid. If you do not pay it within a certain time then they will deduct money from your salary every month. They never ever report non payment to the police and you certainaly do not get a police record. You are wrong
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