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Help, my boss is taking my money. AGAIN!

Corrupt boss?

Treeladmanchester
post 21.Sep.2013, 08:07 AM
Post #1
Joined: 21.Sep.2013

Hi! I'm new to this site.
I have been living in Sweden since April last year. Been working for a company in Kungsbacka.
I've recent left the company and started working for another one.

This month I get my holiday pay after following my contract and giving the boss a months notice before I leave.

In the contract it says the he will ' pay for one event each year '.
I choose to do a first aid course.
No I have left I called his accountant to see when the holiday pay is coming.
She said 'this month but the boss is deducting half if what it cost for the first aid course'.
We have not discussed this or arranged anything!
Last year he deducted money from my pay also because two guys lost their kit on a job site(a job I was not even on)
And he took the money without even telling me!

I really need some help because I think this guy is so corrupt!
If anyone can help with anything I would appreciate it so much!
You can contact me at
Skylinearborists@gmail.com

Thanks alot!
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Herlie
post 21.Sep.2013, 08:17 AM
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Joined: 13.Sep.2013

I'm sorry I can't help, but my boyfriends previous bosses have all diddled him out of cash so I can't say I'm surprised. It wouldn't happen in England! Actually there's a lot that people couldn't get away with in England, such as turning up late for work every day...
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dave.smith
post 21.Sep.2013, 09:37 AM
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Joined: 12.Jan.2007

Tell him you will take him to Aftonbladet if he doesn't return the money plus 10% interest per week.
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Treeladmanchester
post 21.Sep.2013, 04:45 PM
Post #4
Joined: 21.Sep.2013

Hey thanks for the replys!
Are there any solicitors I could go too? I'm positive it's illegal! But I need help to know if the Swedish system allows this behaviour.
I thought Sweden had really tight laws especially with workers and employees.
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Seamus Sean
post 21.Sep.2013, 05:14 PM
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Joined: 4.Oct.2009

Are you not a member of a union?
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7/1
post 21.Sep.2013, 06:10 PM
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Location: Västerås
Joined: 20.Sep.2008

Sweden is not a perfect country anymore , you all have to recognize this.
Bye bye old Sweden , and welcome to the new one.
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andy_so
post 21.Sep.2013, 08:37 PM
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Joined: 4.Jan.2011

I believe he could be reported to arbetsformedlingen (but i am not sure, you can chack their site/call them). The best way is to report this to a union of whatever profession you work in (as they can give legal advice, support ect.). If you haven't subscribed to one, now would be the time to do it. Plus i don't think this is extremely unusual. I have experienced borderline/illegal conduct at a working place, and i know of people who have... It's probably because you aren't Swedish. Swedes know how to "defend" themselves in their own system...
Do you have colleagues that have the same issue? It would probably be good to discuss this with other (trusted) co-workers, and if this is a wider occurring phenomenon at your work place, then either leave (as the boss is unlikely to change his behavior just for your account), or work as a group and make a complaint together...

Good luck!
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Seamus Sean
post 22.Sep.2013, 07:34 AM
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Joined: 4.Oct.2009

But if he isn´t a member of a union there won´t be much point going running to them now?

Employers love when their workforce aren´t signed up card carrying union members, and many workers I have met are happy to go down this road, they see not having union fees as some how saving a bit of hard earned cash...until a situation such as this arises.

At the end of the day, companies aren´t charities and are there to make money, some treat their workers well, others will screw every penny they can from anywhere if that includes screwing their workforce they will!

I´ve had a few battles with some not so nice companies and knowing I had my union at my back was, on all but one case, a God send, the boss when approached by the union coughed up and we all moved on.

Saying that you thought companies in Sweden were all decent and treated their workers well, shows a lack of understanding on just how capitalism works I feel. They are there to make profit and without a strong union to keep an eye on them, the greedier of them will take to screwing their workforce as well as their clients.
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AgeOfReason
post 22.Sep.2013, 09:26 AM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 1.Sep.2013

QUOTE (Treeladmanchester @ 21.Sep.2013, 09:07 AM) *
In the contract it says the he will ' pay for one event each year '.. I choose to do a first aid course.

It would depend upon the wording. An event could be anything, and not what you choose but what the company chooses to pay for, unless it specifically states that it is your choice and they will pay.

Do you have it in writting that the course your went on was going to be paid by the company? Did you request approval directly stating the cost of the course that the company would pay, and did your boss approve that? If so, then you have grounds to take the issue further. Otherwise the employer can just say they didnt approve the course but did let you take time out from work to go on it (for personal reasons).

For future reference, always send in writting a request for approval for work related courses stating the details including the cost to the company (make it clear the company should pay) and get an approval in writting.

If the union has a collective agreement with the employer, then ask a union representative and/or member, if it states in that that the employer will pay for work related training courses once a year. If it does, then you have some grounds to take it further. It doesn't matter if you are a member of a union or not, if the union has a collective agreement with the employer it is to be applied to ALL employees equally, otherwise it is discrimination. In this respect not being a union member just means the union cannot act on your behalf.

Depending upon your work expenses, do you travel to work and reclaim via tax declaration? An second option is to ask for a copy of the invoice for tax purposes, and add the cost of the course to your tax declaration as work related expenses the employer wouldn't pay.
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Seamus Sean
post 22.Sep.2013, 09:38 AM
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Joined: 4.Oct.2009

So are you saying someone doesn´t have to be a member of a union, a paid up member even for the union to take up and fight your case for you??
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AgeOfReason
post 22.Sep.2013, 10:19 AM
Post #11
Location: Stockholm
Joined: 1.Sep.2013

No. If you had read it closely I said that if the employer and union have a collective agreement then that agreement applies equally to ALL employees. That is not the same as who will represent you with regards the employer. The union will only represent it's members, if you are not a member of the union then you must represent yourself. So, if an agreement states that the employer will pay annually for a training course, then that applies to all employees not just union members. If the employer doesn't live up to that promise they have broken the rule, so a union member can go to the union to get them to sort it out, where-as a non-member has to sort it out themselves. The point is if there is an agreement in place that sets the benchmark for the company-employee relationship.
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Seamus Sean
post 22.Sep.2013, 11:12 AM
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Joined: 4.Oct.2009

Thanks for the reply and clearing that up, and sorry for not reading your post most closely the first time.

I, as I said before, I think only draw on my own personal experiences, I guess to what industry you find yourself employed in may have a bearing on such disputes?

For example there may be different union agreements in place for office workers as compared to construction workers?

Myself I was working construction when I needed the unions help, I worked some very large projects were there would be site agreements in place and all companies, the union, the main contractor and the client would be signed up too.

On one such project we found out our company was cheating all their workers, we got our hands on a copy of the agreement, a copy signed by all, yet we still got shafted...at the time I wasn´t a member of a local union, this is before I moved to Sweden so my union was in my home land, and the local union weren´t inclined to get involved even though we had to be fully paid up to our own union to even get on the job.

Since I moved to Scandinavia I have joined a couple of unions, the first kind of a broad based union representing workers across many areas of my trade, when I needed them due to another dispute that arose they were quite useless, their hands were tied on the issues we were seeking help with, the company had done their home work and were playing within the rules, borderline but still untouchable, I left both the company and that union, and joined one more specific to my line of work.

I have only needed to call them once, a similar issue as the OP finds themselves in now and it was sorted in no time...my union dues are quite high but the knowledge of knowing I have a strong union at my back, willing and able to fight my corner if and when needed makes it worth it for me.

So thanks again for the reply...I´ll read your posts more closely in future and I´d only one cup of coffee at the time...my excuse anyway! smile.gif
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Herlie
post 22.Sep.2013, 12:09 PM
Post #13
Joined: 13.Sep.2013

Just want to point out that my native Swede boyfriend was part of a union when he wasn't paid for sick leave and it took one and a half years for this argument to reach a conclusion (he didn't get paid) because the woman at the union handling his case was incompetent. Unions don't necessarily mean you're safe.
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Seamus Sean
post 22.Sep.2013, 01:38 PM
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Joined: 4.Oct.2009

I know, as I said earlier I left the first union I was a member of in Scandinavia as they weren´t able to help me, the lady I was dealing with was quite rude in her dealings with me in fact.

I am at the moment more than happy with my union, they are very strong and look after their members and when I needed help they sorted out my problem very fast and I was impressed with the way they dealt with the issue.
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Treeladmanchester
post 24.Sep.2013, 08:27 AM
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Joined: 21.Sep.2013

It has to be illegal to deduct money from my pay just because he was angry that other workers lost their kit!
I wasn't even on the Job and he took 1500 from me!
Nothing was talked about and nothing in the contract!

And right now he has took 2500 and in the contract it says that he will ' pay for one event each year, first aid or climbing competition' .
I k ow its not alot of money to some people but to me every penny counts.

Can anyone put me in contact with a specialist or anything that could help me please.

Thanks again
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