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immigrant keep getting help after 5 years ?

is it true ?

solagom
post 1.Aug.2014, 10:15 PM
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Okay i am sorry before if my post will sound that i am racist but anyway hopefully someone can give me some explaination about immigrant in Sweden !

Obviously i am not war immigrant but love immigrant as many other people here in Sweden. I started socialize more when i m entered SFI which 70% or even more consist of war immigrant. As all people know they dont really talk to other but at some point i got close to this woman on early 30s and she came to sweden bcos of war in her country. Long story short we become to talk more personally and at some point she start to talk more about "money talk" ! She said to me she got 7000kr for her/month as she is studying fulltime in SFI (doing normal SFI and yrkesutbildning for 5 years! ) and her husband also student and can earn 10.000kr idk how. They got 3 kids whose all born in Sweden and each got 5000kr so that times 3 is 15000 so in total one family lives with 32000kr per month and they live in nice housing new in really nice area cost 8000kr / month and goverment support 5000kr so they only pay 3000/month !

Okay the point is does all Swedish actually know and okay with all of this ? I tell this to my bf and he is boiling angry! I mean its fine if they just come and needed help so much but they been in Sweden for 5 years ? they got help already for 5 years ? and until when ? While me and my bf that is born swedish swedish live with 25000kr / month and i need to get a job soon bcos thats not enough and i cant ask help !

I m sorry if this post sounds rude but i just wanna ask someone if its actually true or my friend lied to me !

Peace out !
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deaftoned
post 1.Aug.2014, 10:25 PM
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it is true. reality is absurd here..
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magg
post 1.Aug.2014, 11:19 PM
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Your numbers are inflated and the person either lied to you or you misunderstood something, but yes, you can generally assume that a refugee family with three kids will receive enough benefits to have the same monthly cash flow that you can have as a couple with only one working adult. And yes, if the husband works on the black market to get an extra 10-15 000, they're probably much better off than you. Welcome to Sweden.

However, once you become a permanent resident, you and your bf are also welcome to quit your jobs and have three kids and you will be entitled to a similar amount of assistance, unless you are overqualified to go into perpetual training and will be expected to find work. Point being, it has nothing to do with immigrants as such, it is an egalitarian welfare state at work.
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Svensksmith
post 1.Aug.2014, 11:38 PM
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Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money.
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magg
post 1.Aug.2014, 11:48 PM
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There are three options for the OP.
1. Move elsewhere (luckily, moving pretty much anywhere would be moving to a less socialist country).
2. Accept that it doesn't take away from your quality of life if the government is subsidizing someone else to keep up (I find it incredibly hard to believe that a young couple with 25 000 net income "doesn't have enough")
3. Go with the flow, have a few kids, study, get a black market job, in no time you will be sporting similar figures.
No need to start another immigrant hating thread.
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solagom
post 2.Aug.2014, 12:15 AM
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I never said i hate them but i do find the system is unfair and please i think everyone have a right to find legit information on the internet and its so shallow to judge me hating them . After some years in Sweden i accepted the difference here more and more even i get along with them very well that they actually speak loud about it to me. We dont so much give shit about cultural difference anyway.We have a kid and i do got benefit too and even tho i have 3 more kids i wont get even close amount like they got for 5 years if all what she said is true. I just cant believe the difference is very high just because previously came from a war situation. Its 5 years a go ! It would be more understanding if they are really new in Sweden.


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LLHope
post 2.Aug.2014, 08:34 AM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 1.Jan.2014

QUOTE (solagom @ 1.Aug.2014, 09:15 PM) *
(doing normal SFI and yrkesutbildning for 5 years! )

If Arbetsförmedlingen continue to say that for a person to get a job it is essential they have completed the SFI, then that person can continue with SFI as long as it takes and continue to get their welfare support. The rumours of some people being on SFI for 10+ years are actually true, though the number is not that great.

QUOTE (solagom @ 1.Aug.2014, 11:15 PM) *
i do find the system is unfair

Who said life was fair? rolleyes.gif

The welfare support system in Sweden, just like almost every other country that has welfare, was originally designed with the assumption that everyone is the same´, share the same values. Put simply it assumed that everyone was honest. It tolerates a certain amount of misuse, unfortunately today the level of abuse is growing and they have to try to tighten the rules, whilst also supporting those in need.
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Abe L
post 2.Aug.2014, 11:58 AM
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The system is blatantly unfair and there is very good reason there are fewer and fewer supporters globally of socialism. In most places it died out 80 years ago. Sweden is just slow in catching up, like with everything.

More importantly, make sure you get voting rights for Riksdag elections and vote for a party that both does not favour socialism and non-expat immigration. This country needs less taxes and better rewards (ie. less taxes) for people that work their ass off instead of seeing their hard earned income go to useless immigrants from 3rd world countries. Vote for a party that wants to support it's own citizens interests instead of parties who primarily favour other country's citizens's interests.
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7/1
post 2.Aug.2014, 12:57 PM
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Location: Västerås
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Well if two kids get 2250 kr like barn bidrag , so i do not Think that 3 kids will reach 5000 kr maybe 3500 kr .
To be in sfi that mean u r not getting Money from csn , because csn begin to pay when u finish Sfi and u begin with SAS.
So i Think social pay about 15000 to the whole family including rent and elec and the kids and the bostad bidrag , assuming they are on Welfare.
so the family with 3 kids can not live with 15000 kr that is why her husband work saturday and sunday and maybe in some regular Days also to get more Money than the 15000 kr .
So the 15000 kr are the base then come the extra Money from the black work.
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solagom
post 2.Aug.2014, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE (Abe L @ 2.Aug.2014, 10:58 AM) *
The system is blatantly unfair and there is very good reason there are fewer and fewer supporters globally of socialism. In most places it died out 80 years ago. Sweden is jus ... (show full quote)


I m so agree with you. Before i never really thinking about this until it gets too much ! Again as far its only cultural difference i dont really care. But for ex. we now have one kid and living in tiny apartment and saving to get bigger apartment and have to be in waiting too like any other swedish. While we have refugees neighbour that already living here also quite long and they asked for bigger apartment and the kommun gave them plus cover most of their rents ! I never bother their kids that still shouting outside in the garden until 10pm and all i pray is so their music not make my baby waking up ! Hope the goverment lower the tax to those who have family and kids instead of paying sooo much to support refugees that been living here for sooooo many years ! All that will just cause social jealousy !
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sv100
post 3.Aug.2014, 02:31 PM
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They got 3 kids whose all born in Sweden and each got 5000kr so that times 3 is 15000


Up to 16 yrs old , each child can only get 1,050 kr and after that study loan.

Your Sum may not be correct! so it could be only 21K

Check if 10k and 7k before or after skatt !
3 children up to 16 yr, ,1,050 *3 =3,150 kr only

Furthermore,if 32K correct ,it is not too much for 5 persons .

1 politician can start earn from 50K ,and some have approached 250 K per month

Swedens life is very costly , compare income to life style and compare country with similar countries in its Area or

even country to country with similar population , like NL(Holland),AUSTRA,Norway,Fin,Swiss,,,,,

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LLHope
post 3.Aug.2014, 07:37 PM
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Location: Stockholm
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QUOTE (sv100 @ 3.Aug.2014, 01:31 PM) *
3 children up to 16 yr, ,1,050 *3 =3,150 kr only

Wrong. You are forgetting that there is an additional supplement for having several children.
The total amount of child benefit for 3 children is 3150 + 604 = 3754:-/m

And what you will not see in the media is the naughty trick that is done in these situations (wouldn't want people to know how they abuse the system). Most often what happens is that one of the parents will then register themselves as living at a different address (often a friend) even though they do not move out. They then tell the authorities that they have separated. So, one parent who has the children living with them 100%
of the time is entitled to claim maintenance support, since the other will not pay maintenance (or does not earn enough to pay). That is an additional 1273:-/m

This gives 3754 + 1273 = 5027:/m just for the 3 children (tax free).

And then you can add all the housing benefit that the person with the children would be entitled to whilst looking for work, SFI, activity support etc...
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sv100
post 3.Aug.2014, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 3.Aug.2014, 07:37 PM) *
Wrong. You are forgetting that there is an additional supplement for having several children.The total amount of child benefit for 3 children is 3150 + 604 = 3754:-/mAnd what ... (show full quote)



My friend , You better work as Politician, and in this case we are not friends , haha


2,150 kr or 604 kr more become 2,754 NOT 3,754 kr, whats the difference between these two 2,150 and 2,754 per 3 children !!


I dont know what exactly you mean by 1,273 kr but believe me , Politicians and they only the one who have created housing problems and looooong queue !

If you have good job ,and reasonable period for housing plus transperant system , then why you go for little and live on burden of taxpayers !!!!!!!!


So , whatever people will or can do is legal under this situation we have cause of this government !

Again , According to my calculations for you , 2,754+1,273 kr = 4,027 kr
Whats -if true , 4,027 kr can do for 3 kids !!!! 4,027/3 persons = ??? 1,342 kr so 1,342 is not that different than 1,050 kr per child !!!!

instead of that , you should tell the government to increase ´´barn bidrag ´´ according to age like intervals


This government assume that 6 month barn need same money as 16 yrs old barn !!

They are very crazy and even they love money more than any one else !


OBS : Swedes are not so good in maths !
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Localer
post 3.Aug.2014, 09:51 PM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 27.Oct.2006

You are right, most Swedes didn't know about it and most media won't talk about it, because every bad news about immigrant is Racist.

Most of you didn't know the refugees get some other benefits where others don't, see blow.

http://www.forsakringskassan.se/privatpers...lIOUVGOTJHTTU2/

And total they can get in 1 month, like below,

En nyanländ invandrarkvinna med tre barn (12, 13 och 14 år gamla) som bor i en hyresrätt på 85 kvm och har 7 000 kr i hyra får följande bidrag varje månad:

6 776 kr i etableringsersättning
3 000 kr i etableringstillägg
3 754 kr i barnbidrag
3 819 kr i underhållsstöd
4 900 kr i bostadsbidrag

= 22 249 kr per månad skattefritt.

More info, if you know how to read Swedish.

https://www.flashback.org/t1966985
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sv100
post 3.Aug.2014, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (Localer @ 3.Aug.2014, 08:51 PM) *
You are right, most Swedes didn't know about it and most media won't talk about it, because every bad news about immigrant is Racist.Most of you didn't know the re ... (show full quote)



Im not sure that they can take all this together or even within short period !


Any way , They Refugees , dont came and have this money themselves , your government is paying for them

Thats governments policy , instead of creating jobs and minmise unemployment % , they have their another concern !
But my question is how many years ?
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