(edit title) Tips finding a job Options

[Gokcealber...]

I have been employed in my present job for 5 months now for my husband`s sake. My boss`s son has worked here, marketing manager has a son working here, the woman in production has a trainee daughter working with her, every summer accountant`s and quality control manager`s sons are working here. What I am trying to say is I would probably have no chance of having that job if I did not know someone from inside the organisation.

But the point is that they don`t regret hiring me, as I do my job well like you do Luke.

If employers tend to have same kind of attitude towards people from `invandrare` background, how are we ever going to integrate? Or is INTEGRATION no longer the desired goal?

Has anyone ever taken any advantage of AMS programs?
I want to hear success stories, pls, I need motivation.

[Stockholme...]

Adding a few more tips for job hunting. Sorry for the length of the post!
I hope at least one of the tips will be useful to at least one of you.

Those of you who claim that the Swedish job market is xenophobic: How do you know? Has an employer rejected you with the words: “I hate foreigners and will not recruit you just because of this, even though you are the best fit”?
Then of course you are right, that employer is indeed xenophobic.
It may be tempting to put the reasons for problems to get a job outside yourself, on someone else such as xenophobic employers but don’t, it does not help you in any way! Analyse what is valuable to an employer, discuss with friends (and professional CV-readers, if possible!) how to market your skills and qualities. Learn, train and enhance what you lack.
It is a full time job to look for jobs (this goes for Swedes as well!)

Contacts and references are as important in Sweden as they are everywhere. If someone who the recruiting manager trust tells him to recruit you the most important filtering is done, in your favour. As new in Sweden you may find it unfair, but you can rather easily and quickly grow a net of contacts. When you call someone for a job and are rejected: Use the situation! Remain nice and say that it’s too bad he hasn’t got any job for you right now but maybe he knows someone who would need you? A manager who just has rejected someone often has a sting of pity and will gladly give you the name of a colleague/friend/neighbour who needs to recruit. Maybe you can refer to him, thus getting a great door opener.

Offer references even if they are abroad, but make sure they know that you use them as referents and make sure they will talk in your favour. Try to find references in different categories: Mr X has been my boss, Mr Y has been my subordinate, Ms Z has been my customer aso. References are normally not used to check on your abilities but on your personality so they need not be from the same branch as the new employer; a teacher who knows you well will be fine.

If you want to increase your chances I’d recommend you to apply for a job that is not advertised. Find a company that seems to be busy. Write a letter describing how you will expand the company’s business, increase the revenue and kill the competition. Your letter will be read, it is not one among many applications, and your initiative will be recognised.

If you are convinced that Swedes are racists you could go for smaller shops, pubs and restaurants as they often are owned by non-Swedes.
Otherwise, avoid the small companies (including restaurants, small shops aso) with maybe only the owner and his family working. Bigger companies will more likely have experience from successful employment of non-Swedes and are hence more willing to recruit another.

Many immigrants with a good education do not get a job reflecting their education, or a job at all. This is true also for many Swedes with a good education. To hide the high unemployment the previous government started new universities and stimulated the existing to accept more students. The result is a decreased level of education, sometimes on “Mickey Mouse-level”, and students who have expectations on a good well paid job. But as the government decided to hide the unemployment instead of stimulating companies to employ, no more job exist and thus competition to get a job increases.

If a recruiting manager receives many applications he normally makes a simple filter.
The most common filter is age: “skip everybody older than 45; they are expensive and may be too good, thus threatening my position”.
Many managers engage recruiting firms to do the filtering. The recruiting firms need of course a set of rules by which they shall filter, and I think very few would ask the recruiting firm to “reject all foreigners” or “reject people with a strange name”. Yet another reason to go for bigger companies as they are more likely to use recruiting firms.

Continuing on recruiting firms: Use them! They want to have a big database with applicants representing all kinds of skills and background and can match you to jobs you wouldn’t have reflected upon yourself.

Take advantage of the supply of employable people in Sweden and start a company of your own. The Swedish wages/salaries are low, the taxation of the profit is low so why hesitate?

[hanno1]

hej Hanno my Swedish is ok, I am using it more and more obviously in work and when out shopping. My partner Joakim is insisting that at home we only speak Swedish so that should help also.

I am about to begin another course though I have to admitt I did and am finding it tough from time 2 time!

Mark x[/quote]

There is hope for us all!!

Well done. I'm starting to look for a job in Stockholm from next week with basic Swedish so its good to hear some positive feedback.

[*Anonymous*]

The only real way of trying to get work is to, advoid discussion pages like this , and flip over to the job section, on this paper.

as far as i can see, this web thread , is purely egotistic , and only used as a chat room , for some dopy uninteresting people, and there little game of sublimble messages.

god only know what yee work at , .. prob,, mc donalds.

by the sound of things...


ps, say what you want.. no one , gives a rats ass ,anyway...

as for stockholmer, what a bloody wind bag. and you must have a busy job, been able to devote all your time to writing pointless , info... save it for you wife, she might get off on your, square headed views.
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[*Anonymous*]

[quote=hanno1]hej Hanno my Swedish is ok, I am using it more and more obviously in work and when out shopping. My partner Joakim is insisting that at home we only speak Swedish so that should help also.

I am about to begin another course though I have to admitt I did and am finding it tough from time 2 time!

Mark x[/quote]

There is hope for us all!!

Well done. I'm starting to look for a job in Stockholm from next week with basic Swedish so its good to hear some positive feedback.[/quote][quote]

well not to much hope if your gay, be prepaired.... arm yourself with gay wit, and dubble entonders.[/quote]

[Shostokovi...]

All depends on your salary expectations.

So far I found out that after offering job to people in Sweden, the ones willing to work for 120kr/hour are foreigners. Swedish people wants to have a higher salary.

There is always the right job waiting for you if you do not have draming expectations.

Lucky, lucky!

[Stockholme...]

Simmur wrote:
"as for stockholmer, what a bloody wind bag. and you must have a busy job, been able to devote all your time to writing pointless , info... save it for you wife, she might get off on your, square headed views"

Too bad you regard it as pointless, I will of course not add further posts in this thread after your strong argumentation.

I hope you all are happy with your situation then, happy confirming to each other that Swedes are racists. I don't understand how this will help you, but then again I'm only a simple Swede.

[VikingHump...]

Don't take it to heart Stockholmer, some people do use this board to vent their frustrations and some like to blame others for their own failings (like not realising that Swedish is widely spoken in Sweden).

I think it's lovely that you are trying to help, others will find it all helpful.

[Shostokovi...]

Many immigrants with a good education do not get a job reflecting their education, or a job at all. This is true also for many Swedes with a good education.
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If a recruiting manager receives many applications he normally makes a simple filter.
The most common filter is age: “skip everybody older than 45; they are expensive and may be too good, thus threatening my position”.
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Take advantage of the supply of employable people in Sweden and start a company of your own. The Swedish wages/salaries are low, the taxation of the profit is low so why hesitate?

I agree with the age limit on recruitment and that many people with perfect swedish and cualified have a hard time finding a job. To speak Swedish is essencial, but does not depend on the job? I find extrange that some cleaning job offers demands a medium or high level of swedish, I mean, those workers are not going to talk to the public...

When comes to taxation, I find it high. Paying 30% of your income is not peanuts.

The good thing with having a company in Sweden is that the the startup is easy and unexpensive, and things works smoothly and efficient.

[RudyMC]

Well after reading all of this I am feeling a bit discouraged. I have been looking for work in Uppsala, and competing with the students. I have been turned away simply cause I dont speak the language. I was told that face to face. I am takeing SFI (swedish for immigrants) and wont be done for a year or more they say. Worse yet right before I left the states to be here with my girlfriend, I herneited my disc between lumbar 4 and 5 I think. So there goes my construction experience. I was a highschool dropout and worked pretty much since I was 14. I have a great work ethic that actually landed me a management job in a nightclub(adult theme). I left this industry cuase of my girlfriend and wont return to it. I started looking into bartending a year ago, cuase it pays well in the states. You can make as much if not more than alot of people with business degrees. 50 to 80 thousand a year depending on the club and how hard and fast you work. I barbacked for a year and started actually bartending shifts. I quit to follow my sweetheart since she was having immigration problems in the states. So here I am now in Uppsala were they dont hire non swedish speaking people. atleast not in any resteraunts, as for secerity I have been turned away for bouncing jobs also becuase of the lack of language. Witch I understand seeing as you need to communicate to calm the people down if you are to remove them from the club. I am here as a resident and get no aid, other than medical. So now my savings our gone and Im liveing off of my sweethearts student loans. I am lucky enough to get to work for a pub for students once in while but it only pays 35 kronar an hour and after taxes that comes to 3.50 american dollars lol. I havnt made that little since I was 14 cleaning parking lots for the gastation I lived by. I am expanding my search to stockholm now to try to get a job barbacking or even washing dishes. I fear that the cost of train and bus transportation will make it not worth it though unless I get full time work.

I would be greatfull for even a job at mc donalds at this point. I have a strong work ethic and trully believe its not what you do but how you do it...

In the states I can get work easy with this attitude and have not had one employer disapointed with me. Even when work was dry and I had to take a job at KFC a few years ago. I have had a long line of different jobs from makeing circuit boards, where i was certified on 6 machines before my 90 day review, breaking the company record, To managing a night club were I increased there gross over 200%. Computer sales, serving, telemarketing, and one of my favorites construction. Love building things with my hands.

This all said I know for me the trick is to get to talk to the hiring manager, my grammer is not that great.
It looks as though I am in for a tough year.

If anyone has someone in mind I could sure use the tip. I am a loyal and hard working employee. well after that hardluck story I think ill go back to trying to find a job listing on the internet lol ,, thanks for the time and goodluck to all of you in my possition.

ohyeah if you have any Ideas you can E-mail me at madefortara@hotmail.com seeing as I might not get back to this forum for a while.

[Ezpen The ...]

I have been employed in my present job for 5 months now for my husband`s sake. My boss`s son has worked here, marketing manager has a son working here, the woman in production has a trainee daughter working with her, every summer accountant`s and quality control manager`s sons are working here. What I am trying to say is I would probably have no chance of having that job if I did not know someone from inside the organisation.

But the point is that they don`t regret hiring me, as I do my job well like you do Luke.

If employers tend to have same kind of attitude towards people from `invandrare` background, how are we ever going to integrate? Or is INTEGRATION no longer the desired goal?

Has anyone ever taken any advantage of AMS programs?
I want to hear success stories, pls, I need motivation.

Integration is a political goal the politicians have Swedes don't have this as their goal, because it means that the swedes must intgrate instead. The Father-son-company is a part of scandinavian culture. I got job when I was young because of my fathers reputation and his businesspartners.

To get a job you should:
1. Be born with gold hairs in your ass...
2. Be born with a contact network
3. Build up a contact network...
4. Make a CV and go to businesses and talk to the managers. Tell about what yourself and leave your cv. It shows you are not waiting for the job, but are an active person...

[CptAmerica]

anyone can get a job at mcdonalds here. i worked there when i first moved here and spoke very little swedish. they just put me in the back making burgers.

[Wes]

Stockholmer


Great tip's on finding work in Sweden, don't be put off by the pondlife (bollixchops they where dropped too much as a small child)

Good luck RudyMC

My main tips sounds dumb but it gets easier once you can comunicate in Swedish,

I really hate hearing the word racist, thrown at companies that turn people down because they don't speak Swedish,

Hello we live in Sweden!Trying getting a job in any country when you don't speak the lanuage it's not going to be easy and remember Sweden has a un-employment rate of 10-15%

Hope to hear from you again Stockholmer

[VikingHump...]

My Swede has an excellent work ethic, varied experience and speaks native Swedish. After 11 months here he still hasn't been able to find a job doing anything like what he did in London, and is currently working as a chef. Why the hell would any foreigner think it's racist that they don't get a job when they can't speak Swedish?

[*Saph*]

I agree. I have a Swedish friend living in Stockholm and they've had the same problem with getting work.