(edit title) Is Sweden as racist as some say or is it a myth? Options

[*Paulo's Hilton Not Blond*]

(it is the true in italy )immigrants are all the time on the newspaper for many bad things

Bluto, when you read on the newspapers so many negative chronicles with the imigrants getting involved with criminality, rubbery, etc. did you ever think that perhaps it is NOT all of them who were doing that???

That mostly Romanians for example do work pretty hard cleaning the houses of upper middle class families, and sometimes even cleaning something else? Or are eventually construction workers or whatever?

Also, have you never been critical to the sensasionalism of newspapers towards many subjects?

I think the basis and causes of criminality are always the same and it will generally apply to those that usually are not able to fit the economic system.

As far as I know the problem of illegal immigration in Italy is slightly different compared to other European countries.
Once again, Italy lacks a proper legislation on the matter. In many cases Italian authorities are far too much tolerant with deliquents because the laws are inefficient, and last this only contributes to make even less successful the integration of immigrants and intrinsically increases crimes committed by immigrants because there's the feeling of people being underpunished all over.
Now many of the drug smugglers in Italy are cleaning their fingerprints to avoid getting caught by the police, I mean, they cannot be identified nor get arrested, so they come back to the streets. Many cannot even be deported. WHY?????? Yet the lawmakers did not change it!

[bluto]

Yes I know that most immigrants work hard, I mean that also me that i think I am a liberal and not racist , sometimes fall in the mistake when think about immigrant, you cant anyway dont say that many immigrants give problem with criminality , it is not all black or white. There are many thigs to considerate. I wanted only say that with our nice confortable life we risk to be close in our egoistic way, sometimes we considere that a middle class man with good drees, it is a good man , and a poor immigrant it is dangerous, but most of time I see that I have more scare about good respectabòe people that immigrants.

[Faithless]

Had an Indian taxi driver last night. He spoke pretty much perfect Swedish after six years here, but had had enough of Sweden and was moving back to India in a few months. He said with his surname he just can't get entrance into the Swedish labour market, and no matter how hard he works as a cabbie, his neighbors still think he's making his money either selling drugs, trafficking women, or bidrag.
Shame.

Its more ignorance from just not bothering to spend a little time looking into things a little more than malice though.
Perhaps rasism is often that way in most countries.

Theres not much violent rasism in Sweden though, but more of a segregation.

I think its linked to an unforeseen side effect of the socialist 50-70's folkhemmet, when they put up all those very well built and warm concrete blocks of collective isolation in the suburbs, and stuffed all the immigrants in there.
That by automation cut Swedes and immigrants off from each other.

But London was certainly more violently rasist than Stockholm, for me at least.

I'm a Swede who spent my first 17 years in London btw, the last two years as a budding skinhead gang lout, before I was whisked away to the Swedish countryside.

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[*Paulo's Hilton Not Blond*]

Yes I know that most immigrants work hard, I mean that also me that i think I am a liberal and not racist , sometimes fall in the mistake when think about immigrant, you cant anyway dont say that many immigrants give problem with criminality , it is not all black or white. There are many thigs to considerate. I wanted only say that with our nice confortable life we risk to be close in our egoistic way, sometimes we considere that a middle class man with good drees, it is a good man , and a poor immigrant it is dangerous, but most of time I see that I have more scare about good respectabòe people that immigrants.

Yeap, I see your point. Concerning the problems some immigrants may cause I agree, however I also tried to explain my opinion above. It's very complicated, and it depends on a lot of things.

1) Criminality/Rubbery it's oftenly linked to less oportunities, and what some illegal immigrants do are not exclusively done only by them, I mean, it can also be done by some Italians
2) Italy doesn't have a policy of selecting its immigrants like a few other countries(Canada, the US, etc)
3) Immigration / criminal laws in Italy are inefficient and underpunish those who commit crimes, so that's why you see a lot of deliquents on the streets. In the States I remember that alliens were usually very afraid of the police. They avoided getting in trouble because they knew they would get arrested and deported, so here in Italy distinctly it does not happen remaining in the air the stereotype that immigrants are only troublemakers!
4) The list goes long...

The problem is when people generalize and associate a "race" to a negative thing and make pre-conceptions about those whom eventually belong to that group.

It may be called racism, discrimination, xenophobia, WHATSOEVER! It doesn't matter...the pain caused is in fact the same.

[Streja]

Some parts of Swedish society and some Swedes are racist. To call it anything else is hmmm stupid I think. Those who claim there is no racism has not experienced it.

[*Paulo's Hilton Not Blond*]

Had an Indian taxi driver last night. He spoke pretty much perfect Swedish after six years here, but had had enough of Sweden and was moving back to India in a few months. He said with his surname he just can't get entrance into the Swedish labour market, and no matter how hard he works as a cabbie, his neighbors still think he's making his money either selling drugs, trafficking women, or bidrag.
Shame.

Its more ignorance from just not bothering to spend a little time looking into things a little more than malice though.
Perhaps rasism is often that way in most countries.

Theres not much violent rasism in Sweden though, but more of a segregation.

I think its linked to an unforeseen side effect of the socialist 50-70's folkhemmet, when they put up all those very well built and warm concrete blocks of collective isolation in the suburbs, and stuffed all the immigrants in there.
That by automation cut Swedes and immigrants off from each other.

But London was certainly more violently rasist than Stockholm, for me at least.

I'm a Swede who spent my first 17 years in London btw, the last two years as a budding skinhead lout, before I was whisked away to the Swedish countryside.

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Yeap. Unfortunately, it is very sad his story and it is pretty much the same all over the world. I think in most cases the racism is not open, but it's still very harmful. Even if no Swede would ever dare say anything explicitly one is not stupid and in reality is able to read what's on the mind. It's painful and one day you get bored of it.

This is the worst kind of racism because it's very difficult to combat.

[Streja]

Those houses and flats were not built for immigrants but got a bad reputation and then the Sedes moved iut. When all the immigrants arrived in large numbers they moved in there cos that was where there were affordable homes.

[Faithless]

Streja, I don't mean it was in any way planned, though it would certainly have been possible for politicians to plan away from that. Eventually, immigration just shipped them in to the same council apartment blocks without stopping to think, and created, or at least helped create immigrant suburbs and segregated areas.

One would think social planning done intelligently would have looked at such social aspects, noted them and adressed them at an earlier stage. I wouldn't mind that kind of social planning.

[bluto]

I am curisu to ask you something , when I was in gotemburg 10 years ago i did see many times in the street at night young people fight and beat each other. I was a bit surprise , it is common now on saturday evening and friday evening that happen ? and not dangerous for immgirants and swedish fight each others ?

[Faithless]

Hmmm, can't say I see it very often. I'm in Stockholm.

[bluto]

I want report one things that heppen when I was in sweden that is nice this time, i was with 2 my friends in a car and when he were stop at the traffic light, another car with 3 beatiful girl inside, sure the 3 most beatiful girl that i have never seen, they just understand we were italians and they tell us the only words that they known in italian, just bad words:
cazzo figa scopare pompino , i dont translate if you want go to italian dictionary
we were shoked , never could happen in italy something like that, we were so surprise and of course like good italian we thinked they wanted something from us , we became very dissapointed when we discover they wanted just joke and fake us ( fake i mean laught about us)

[Faithless]

Lol, I bet you were dissapointed. 8)

[bluto]

LOl i am disapoint now too , after 10 years i think again at that 3 wonderful girls , never had opportunity like i belived to have , show the milk to the cat and then hidden it.You know italian are really sensible we fall in love very easy lol. At least they dident seemed racist,or they did becose they just wanted joke with us ?

[*Paulo's Hilton Not Blond*]

I want report one things that heppen when I was in sweden that is nice this time, i was with 2 my friends in a car and when he were stop at the traffic light, another car with 3 beatiful girl inside, sure the 3 most beatiful girl that i have never seen, they just understand we were italians and they tell us the only words that they known in italian, just bad words:
cazzo figa scopare pompino , i dont translate if you want go to italian dictionary
we were shoked , never could happen in italy something like that, we were so surprise and of course like good italian we thinked they wanted something from us , we became very dissapointed when we discover they wanted just joke and fake us ( fake i mean laught about us)

Pluto come mai scrivi parolaccie del genere qui?
Spero che nessuno abbia il corraggio di cercarne sul vacabulario. Intanto mi dispiace tantissimo per le ragazze...hehe comunque hanno perso proprio l'ocasione migliore della loro vita. 8) sFIGAti voi veramente!!

Anyway, I wonder how these girls learnt this vocabulary...

[bluto]

hahaha sei il brasilino che vive in italia ?
Yes we were very sfigati we said in italian that mean whithoutpussy. It is strange but there are some thing that you remember all your life and that is one of them, it dosent care if we havent do nothing but was funny and very strange for us that come from south, so i think was nice like a joke.