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A Northern Irishman who studied in a Swedish class for immigrants while unemployed has been ordered to repay nearly 200,000 kronor ($30,000) in benefits after incorrectly filling out a form.
Published: 09 Oct 2010 22:36 CET
"I am basically screwed for the rest of my working life because I went to school (SFI) to learn Swedish (to fill in forms correctly). A-kassan [unemployment insurance] wants nearly 200,000 kronor back (one year in unemployment benefits) because I went to school for 79 hours, which SFI calls full-time," Richard Blaine told The Local in a statement.
"I think I filled in the forms wrong and with no feedback or control by either a-kassan, SFI, or Arbetsförmedlingen, it all hit the fan when I did an årsanmällan [annual notification]," he added.
Blaine, who lives in Åre in central Sweden west of Östersund near the Norwegian border, moved to Sweden in 2007 after living in the Netherlands for 20 years and speaks Dutch fluently, he told newspaper Länstidningen Östersund on Friday.
When he began his job as an electrician, he began to study Swedish for immigrants (Svenska för invandrare, SFI) one full day a week in nearby Järpen.
To do so, Blaine specified in his contract that he had to work one less day a week to learn Swedish properly so he could better integrate and become acquainted with the country's customs and traditions.
"I asked about evening study, but they don't have it. I had to take one day off work because there is no evening study," he told The Local.
At the end of 2008, Blaine lost his job. He stopped attending classes for three months because he was so upset. When he finally resumed, he attended classes for two to four hours a day, one day a week from late March to early June 2009 and then again for two to five hours a day, one day a week from early October to mid-December.
Altogether, he spent about 79 hours in class in 2009 - but that was apparently enough to disqualify him from his eligibility to receive unemployment benefits.
After losing his job, Blaine had registered at the Swedish Public Employment Service (Arbetsförmedlingen) and received payouts from unemployment insurance based on his previous salary.
But his problems began when his unemployment insurance plan demanded an annual notification at the end of 2009.
Soon after filing the notification, Blaine learned that his unemployment insurance plan was demanding he repay the funds he received throughout the year because he had not informed it correctly about his studies.
Since the plan considered Blaine's actions fraudulently, he was also expelled from the plan and the police were notified. Blaine also claims that the insurance plan has also demanded interest and that he will likely be making payments likely until 2023.
Blaine is receiving help from the electricians' union to appeal the decision, but finding a resolution to the mess has taken a long time and doesn't appear headed toward a conclusion any time soon.
An arm injury made it difficult for him to continue working as an electrician, so he has worked as a mountain host, which he enjoys. However, it is not a job, but an initiative through the so-called job and development guarantee offering limited compensation from the regional social insurance office.
To avoid dealing with the Swedish Enforcement Administration (Kronofogden), Blaine has repaid the first installment to the insurance plan. He also wants the public to learn about what happened to him so that other SFI students do not face the same situation. As a result of his difficulties, he cannot risk returning to SFI.
"I just want this to end. I feel that they should change the rules to stop this happening to anyone else, maybe by only accepting students who have written permission first," Blaine told The Local.
In response, the insurance plan said that Blaine should have asked for help if he did not understand the process.
It added that it was only following the rules. It sees no extenuating circumstances in Blaine's case and considers that he acted fraudulently because he filled the form in incorrectly.
"The general rule is that anyone who is studying is not unemployed. Those who are studying cannot receive benefits," plan director Alexander Brockne told Länstidningen Östersund newspaper.
Brockne pointed out that there are exceptions, including part-time study and an affidavit submitted in advance of a willingness to suspend studies if one finds a job or if it clashes with the job search.
"If one does not submit such a declaration, it reverts immediately to the general rule that one is not entitled to benefits," Brockne told the newspaper.
Although he admitted that the rules may not be crystal clear to an English speaker, Brockne reiterated to the newspaper that anyone can ask for help from the organisation.
Brockne also clarified why it appeared Blaine was "punished" for studying one day a week when he was working the other four days.
"One should look for work full-time when he or she is unemployed in order to be entitled to the exemption under the part-time study provision. The fact that he needed to take time off from work suggests somewhat that he could not combine full-time work with his studies," Brockne told the newspaper.
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Here's a guy who is actually working, paying taxes and learning to speak Swedish so to better fit in to the culture. Is this not the type of person who the Swedish government should be helping? By the way, before all the negative flak starts coming my way, I would say the same thing if this guy was a Muslim from Pakistan.
I have been in that situation, It is actually his mistake as you can write a letter asking for permission to study swedish while having the benefit and they always say yes because they see it as an integration factor.
Even the incompetents at AMS tell you that, so this is just a formality, he should have followed the procedure.
I feel for his situation - but he was really naive to think that he could just choose to become a student by increasing his college hours as a student to 20 hours a week in class and just claim unemployment benefits as before without telling anyone - espcially at the current time when authorities are clamping down on illegal benefit claims by people working/studying while claiming benefits
There is even a brochure in ENGLISH on AF's site that explains if you do anything that means you were not 100% available for work that day then you have to inform them
How many countries in the world can you just decide to become a student and keep on claiming unemployment?
The silly thing is that immigrants like this guy usually get special treatment anyway - if he had gone to arbetsf?dling they may have agreed to this as a measure to improve his working potential in his handlingsplan - immigrants usually get special treatment - unlike Swedes who have to sign off A-kassa and take out loans if they want to study.
Would we be as sympatheric though if was an asylum seeker who had illegally claimed benefits without checking the rules
wether he made a mistake or not is debatable. The one thing i take issue with no one else has mentioned....30% INTEREST!!!! For someone who was trying to intergrate, he will be screwed by the same system.......
This guy knew exactly what he was doing the only thing that went wrong was he was caught. If this was a Black African no matter an immigrant or Asylum seeker this board would have had a 1000 comments by now. The double standard makes me sick.
My understanding is that there are 2 types of interest - you only pay the high amount if you ignore the initial demands to repay and don't contact them to set up a repayment plan
The rules are very clear in Sweden - you *MUST* inform A-kassa if there are any changes to your circumstances such as a part time job or course etc - they are clamping down at the moment on people who are claiming benefits while studying
I have known Swede's to be much more harshly treated than this guy who *forgot* that he needed to inform them that he was now a 50% student
- such as the woman I knew who lost 3 months of A-kassa because she missed one day of an AF course because her baby was admitted to hospital in the night with breathing problems
- or the wounded Swedish soldier who was refused A-kassa for not calling AF from his hospital bed on the first day back in Sweden from Afghanistan
- or the guy who had to repay for missing a meeting at A-kassa - when he was in intensive care
They have a golden parachute - for example when the Conservative Minister Littorin resigned in the summer over an alleged affair with a prostitute he gets a golden parachute totalli 1.2 million/SEK for a year
In most schools here in America, the Industrial Arts teachers (sl?arare) are considered by many as being second class educators, not much better than the janitors. In one school I know of, there was a three man Industrial Arts department team. They decided to do something about the bad image. 1. They all wore suits and ties to school everyday and were the best dressed teachers in the school. 2. They encouraged their students to enter all the local competitions and worked with them so they could do well. This generated a lot of good press coverage. 3. They all got masters degrees and when they got wind of a school administrator taking a night course, one of the three enrolled in that class, also. As a team, they studied and worked together to insure that the Industrial Arts teacher always earned a better mark than the administrator. Soon, they were the most respected teachers in the school.
You say black people have a bad image in Sweden. Do something about it.
@puffin the article mentions nothing about if demands for a payment were refused or not, just that the insurance company were claiming the refund plus 30% interest. That in itself to me seems unfair.
Yes, there are rules in Sweden, broken by everybody,mostly politicians, police, and anyone working in Migrationsverket.
In Ireland Swedish people who are unemployed, get 800 Euro a month to live on and there rent paid.
Swedes also get full social benefits in Northern Ireland.
In my SFI course in Sk? the non-European immigrants get biddrag, some sort of social payments, there rent paid and quite a few of them work illegally without paying taxes as well.
Where'as this guy from Northern Ireland is a worker who tried to improve himself, after he lost his job.
He is getting fined for making an honest mistake, filling out a form ina language he was trying to learn. Non European immigrants are given help to fill out forms from migrationsverket, yet people from Ireland and the United Kingdom are given no help whatsoever.
The article does not make it clear what type of interest payment this is - is it just the interest? or does it include the *fines* for giving false information? Does it also include the fact that he was not entitled to A-kassa for those days he studied and has to repay those as well?
@Nemesis - I think this guy doth protest a little too much - his A-kassa has a complete guide to the rules in English on their website - something that no other language group has - if he was confused he can ask for an interpreter to help him - it's a legal right in dealings with public agencies
The guy is a member of the electiricians unemployment fund - and on their website is a detailed document - in ENGLISH - with details all of the rules and regulations - it says on his A-kassa website
"You cannot normally obtain unemployment benefit while studying."
and
"Remember that if information you have furnished in your application changes you must inform your unemployment insurance fund."
99.999999999999999999999999% of people caught working/studying while claiming claim that they didn't understand the rules
i really do think this is one mistake i would have made too, doesn't matter is the rules were published in English or not, there are many Swedish rules people don't understand even when translated to English.
Would you have links to A-Kassa in English? Preferably a download if possible. I know someone who was there two months ago, that A-Kassa said they had no guidance in english.
As usual the local has skimped on the facts and I would like to read a more complete account of what has happened. Is there any links to this story elsewhere?
WHY sould some one waste his time on something called SFI..SFI is a political plan to reform immigrants from the middle east and scare the sh*t out of them with excessive laws..They are like North Korea every chapter has something to say THIS IS how we are.. DO NOT LOOK LEFT OR RIGHT you get screwed..etc etc...
SFI is the stupidest thing a person could ever attend some bunch of old buggers trying to teach people in the same old fashions NOT WORKING way..on the board...
People learn while interacting...SFI is crap i refused it 100 times...they put a young men with old 60 years old students from Afghanistan and so on..They treat adult students like children Shoowing them SHHHHH...every now and then...They give boring homework that the best thing to do is flush it down the toilet and after some years the people who continue SFI do not know what to speak to ICA groceries...V?a v?or :-P or blomma blommor...No conversation at all..go to SFI sit like a robot come back and get locked home..since you cannot go no where...its too dark and people are too cold to their own families how can they be friendly to a stranger?? the worst thing is this guys if from the NORTH!!!
its like SAHARA desert but oppositte in coldness of its atmosphere and people
I dont know where to start...Ahh! Okay, what ever your gripe with African people is get over it. African people do not need to impress you or anyone else on the planet earth...We are the first and only complete human beings on this planet (fact). All other so called "races" are but diluted variations of us (fact). You really should invest in getting an education. Since your previous "rant' goes to show how delusional you are.y comment had nothing to do with Blacks lookin for validation in Sweden; I perfectly illustrated that Sweden has a racist double standard that is prevalant in all western nations. Nonetheless, I will end by saying this: their is a certain group of people who are less than 1 / 10th of the world population and they are going extinct....their children will pay for their sins. Thinking about that.
Sweden has two choices go to ruins with a dying poipulation or let go of it's racism. Since people like myself can only be placated to stay but for so long.
This is a perfect example of Swedens happy facism. The outward PR is of scaring sharing and inclusive Sweden. The truth is far from it. If you are not a Swede, the state will do its best to make you think twice about staying. The decision to leave will be yours and that makes it OK.
Actually, I have nothing against the African race. It's whiners that I detest. Especially hypocritical, racist whiners. If you have a roof over your head and you are getting your three square a day, you got nothing to complain about. Try moving to Haiti, for example, see how you like it there.
You don't like the people, you don't like the weather, you don't like this, that or the other thing. Fine. Just leave, then.
And don't let the door hit you in the backside on the way out.
im confused as to where the mistake is?! im in SFI, but what was the mistake made? he was going to SFI and working?!?! can someone clarify what exactly the mistake was so that i know im not making a 200,000SEK mistake?
@Grahamsmj?br /> apply again, you know how Swedish burocracy work, it is just jeopardy. Maybe your a-kassa is too high and they don't want you to be off the job market? mine was alfa-kassan so it is lower, they always say yes but still you have to be willing to get a job if it appears.
@kenny8076
He cashed his unemployment benefit while studying without informing or asking for permission to the authorities.
being irish, could he not just ask a bartender to translate the papers for him?
sam 1.... sfi is not fun or perfect. but do you remember learning grammer as a kid being all that great? NO? and it is recomended to study 3 hours a day outside of SFI. did you do that? no, me either.
Here is a guide to A-kassa rules produced for the Swedish trade unions - I got it from the website of this guys own union - nut it applies to all workers
He was fine while he was working and taking Swedish 1 day a week
When he became unemployed and claiming benefits he dropped out of SFI and did not attend for a few months
However then he decided to go back and even study everyday - he started going to SFI every day for 4 hours a day - but never informed the benefits office/A-kassa and adjusting his benefits - so he was actually a student 50% - which means he was only elegible foe 50% unemployment benefits.
When you are on benefits - each month you are usually required to certify that your circumstances have not changed ie you have not worked a day or weekend//taken a course etc and were 100% available for work and applying for jobs during the period. This is where his *mistake* occured - as he kept on ticking that box to say he had not worked or studied during the period - whereas he had
Maybe it was a mistake - maybe not - it's a very very well known scam that people start to study while on unemployment as you get paid so much more.... 80% of your old salary
"Maybe it was a mistake - maybe not - it's a very very well known scam that people start to study while on unemployment as you get paid so much more.... 80% of your old salary"
Yes, but how does it really affect the situation. Most folks (like myself) never get a dime for studying at SFI, so what's the difference between him being unemployed sitting at home and unemployed and trying to learn Swedish and blend in (and help his prospective job search)?
In my eyes it's one thing to get unemployment benefits and CSN benefits, another thing totally when you don't get jack for SFI. See,s the definition "studying" is too broad in the terminology here.
Frankly, when remembering the crappy SFI I attended I scoff at calling it "studying" or "going to school", my SFI was more like a babysitting program for immigrants. No desire to teach us anything of value, and rarely anyone escaping. I'd bet my bottom dollar that some of the immigrants I attended SFI with 10 years ago are STILL in SFI.
@Blackafrican, "We are the first and only complete human beings on this planet (fact). All other so called "races" are but diluted variations of us (fact)."
So what exactly makes Africans the only "complete" human beings on the planet? And the rest of us are diluted? With what? Giraffes? Dolphins? Tomato sauce? What?
I've read so many accusations of racism on this site in the last year but your two sentences above are the most purely racist I've seen yet. Your statement just oozes claims of racial superiority. Please tell me you're joking.
@BlackAfrican - had this been a thirdworlder, there would not have been any charges filed to begin with.
Take your substance-free professional victim garbage elsewhere, you are a parody of yourself and sometimes appear as a shill planted by the extremeright to discredit immigrants.
as you can see from the picture at the top,i eventually went back to school,in march,roughly half a day,ONCE a week until june,then in october average 4 hours a day,once a week.
not 50%,not every day.
the main problem is that it is considered full time study,and also if you dont come to class,you stay registered,which they didnt tell me!!
total-79 !!! hours in one year -- 143 910kr
r?a(interest)--45 994kr
aviserings kosten? 154x50--7700kr
total--197 754kr
last payment - 2023!!
13 years paying 1286kr (13% of my wages now)
i worked as an electrician ,good wages,for 40 hours a week.
we talked english,i couldn`t join in swedish conversation,felt like i had an iq of 30,i asked about evening classes,nope.
only way was to take off work and go to SFI.
at sfi we talked about cooking,weddings,babies,etc.
nothing about tax,banks,work contracts,juridic language.
i loved my class,class mates and teachers,but they have to stick to the curriculum.
the only way to learn real swedish is to work,best thing that ever happened to me.
thats what i do now,i work 40 hours a week.
oh ,wait,its not a real job??(jobb och utvecklings garantin)
aha,do i have to give it up and sit at home looking for work 100%.
100% of what?
100% of the 40 hours as an electrician?
100% of the 32 hours they decided i worked per week,because i went to school?
aha,does that mean,i have worked overtime all year!!
and how could i work 4 days a week,if i studied full time!!
if i had taken private evening lessons,i would have had direct feedback,in english,custom suited to my needs. i could have communicated better with my work mates,integrate faster,fit in the group,understand conversation. instead i lost one days pay,paid for my travel to school,paid for my books. in the end it would have been much cheaper to take private lessons.
now,with `jobb och utvecklings garantin` a scheme from the unemployment office,i work as a Fj?v?,village host.
basically we do what is needed to clean up the village,from emptying the garbage cans,picking up rubbish,clearing the roads of broken beer bottles,replanting ripped up flowers in the flower boxes,returning broken traffic cones to their rightful place,clearing snow,straightening bent road signs,helping out at events,serving warm juice at cross country ski tracks,informing and helping tourists,painting poles for the summer walking trails,putting up flags,repairing the lawnmower,and cutting the grass,etc.
this is 40 hours a week,8 more hours than my benefit is based on!!
it´s a tough job,but somebody´s gotta do it.
naw,really,i love my job,but there is no money to employ me,pity.
i love this village,and am proud to keep it clean,and picturesque.
Welcome to Sweden. Guess we don't have to tell you how much they love making rules over here, do we? :P
Sorry you got the shaft. What's your plans now? Are you going to pay the huge fees until 2023? Fight the system? Move home to Ireland?
Shame you got wrapped up in all this. Congrats on finding work though - I've lived here 10 years, speak and write fluently, am college educated, and have been unable to get ANY job at all. I'm non-EU and live way up North in nowhere land though, which is a huge part of my problem. I'm jumping ship and returning to my home country myself as soon as I get paperwork together and my things sold off. :(
sorry you didnt get any job at all!thats really sad,and sad that you decided to leave. its so hard to make friends,and i have seen 10 friends leave sweden this last year,cos its so tough. i dont give up easy(nearly froze today in the icy wind-i work outside-40 hours a week-still classified as jobless though) does this interfer with my 100% looking for work,do i have to deregister to go to the toilet,sleep,eat,etc. nobody i talk to can believe this crap,and i talk to them in swedish,and i still hear new curse words every time i mention a-kassan!! i think they are crazy (freedom of speech,i hope,or is there more rules i havent read yet. actually,should i demand all rules for the rest of my life,before its possible to make a mistake, in english,it is the EU isnt it,then i have no time to work,cos im reading rules fulltime,oh,gimme a break. try to be human again,yes we make mistakes,every day if possible,and say sorry everyday. do i actually have an incentive to work for the rest of my working life??(yeah,usually about 7 every morning,haha) i saw a job for taxi driver,and though i dont have a degree,i still cant go for the taxi driver license,cos i was reported to the police for studying swedish to be able to read job notifications to get a job,while not having a job,hmmm. can it be more complicated!!
Harsh, truly harsh, the rules are there for a reason I suppose but harsh. I hope something comes up that can get it written off or a more equitable interest rate found. Sympathies mate.
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I have been in that situation, It is actually his mistake as you can write a letter asking for permission to study swedish while having the benefit and they always say yes because they see it as an integration factor.
Even the incompetents at AMS tell you that, so this is just a formality, he should have followed the procedure.
There is even a brochure in ENGLISH on AF's site that explains if you do anything that means you were not 100% available for work that day then you have to inform them
How many countries in the world can you just decide to become a student and keep on claiming unemployment?
The silly thing is that immigrants like this guy usually get special treatment anyway - if he had gone to arbetsf?dling they may have agreed to this as a measure to improve his working potential in his handlingsplan - immigrants usually get special treatment - unlike Swedes who have to sign off A-kassa and take out loans if they want to study.
Would we be as sympatheric though if was an asylum seeker who had illegally claimed benefits without checking the rules
I was declined permission to study SFI while receiving A-kassa so it is not a formality!
My understanding is that there are 2 types of interest - you only pay the high amount if you ignore the initial demands to repay and don't contact them to set up a repayment plan
The rules are very clear in Sweden - you *MUST* inform A-kassa if there are any changes to your circumstances such as a part time job or course etc - they are clamping down at the moment on people who are claiming benefits while studying
I have known Swede's to be much more harshly treated than this guy who *forgot* that he needed to inform them that he was now a 50% student
- such as the woman I knew who lost 3 months of A-kassa because she missed one day of an AF course because her baby was admitted to hospital in the night with breathing problems
- or the wounded Swedish soldier who was refused A-kassa for not calling AF from his hospital bed on the first day back in Sweden from Afghanistan
- or the guy who had to repay for missing a meeting at A-kassa - when he was in intensive care
Nope
They have a golden parachute - for example when the Conservative Minister Littorin resigned in the summer over an alleged affair with a prostitute he gets a golden parachute totalli 1.2 million/SEK for a year
In most schools here in America, the Industrial Arts teachers (sl?arare) are considered by many as being second class educators, not much better than the janitors. In one school I know of, there was a three man Industrial Arts department team. They decided to do something about the bad image. 1. They all wore suits and ties to school everyday and were the best dressed teachers in the school. 2. They encouraged their students to enter all the local competitions and worked with them so they could do well. This generated a lot of good press coverage. 3. They all got masters degrees and when they got wind of a school administrator taking a night course, one of the three enrolled in that class, also. As a team, they studied and worked together to insure that the Industrial Arts teacher always earned a better mark than the administrator. Soon, they were the most respected teachers in the school.
You say black people have a bad image in Sweden. Do something about it.
Yes, there are rules in Sweden, broken by everybody,mostly politicians, police, and anyone working in Migrationsverket.
Swedes also get full social benefits in Northern Ireland.
In my SFI course in Sk? the non-European immigrants get biddrag, some sort of social payments, there rent paid and quite a few of them work illegally without paying taxes as well.
Where'as this guy from Northern Ireland is a worker who tried to improve himself, after he lost his job.
He is getting fined for making an honest mistake, filling out a form ina language he was trying to learn. Non European immigrants are given help to fill out forms from migrationsverket, yet people from Ireland and the United Kingdom are given no help whatsoever.
@Nemesis - I think this guy doth protest a little too much - his A-kassa has a complete guide to the rules in English on their website - something that no other language group has - if he was confused he can ask for an interpreter to help him - it's a legal right in dealings with public agencies
The guy is a member of the electiricians unemployment fund - and on their website is a detailed document - in ENGLISH - with details all of the rules and regulations - it says on his A-kassa website
"You cannot normally obtain unemployment benefit while studying."
and
"Remember that if information you have furnished in your application changes you must inform your unemployment insurance fund."
99.999999999999999999999999% of people caught working/studying while claiming claim that they didn't understand the rules
If you're correct I'm shocked!:s
I may as well not work - but I'm English so I guess that don't apply to me!
Would you have links to A-Kassa in English? Preferably a download if possible. I know someone who was there two months ago, that A-Kassa said they had no guidance in english.
As usual the local has skimped on the facts and I would like to read a more complete account of what has happened. Is there any links to this story elsewhere?
SFI is the stupidest thing a person could ever attend some bunch of old buggers trying to teach people in the same old fashions NOT WORKING way..on the board...
People learn while interacting...SFI is crap i refused it 100 times...they put a young men with old 60 years old students from Afghanistan and so on..They treat adult students like children Shoowing them SHHHHH...every now and then...They give boring homework that the best thing to do is flush it down the toilet and after some years the people who continue SFI do not know what to speak to ICA groceries...V?a v?or :-P or blomma blommor...No conversation at all..go to SFI sit like a robot come back and get locked home..since you cannot go no where...its too dark and people are too cold to their own families how can they be friendly to a stranger?? the worst thing is this guys if from the NORTH!!!
its like SAHARA desert but oppositte in coldness of its atmosphere and people
I dont know where to start...Ahh! Okay, what ever your gripe with African people is get over it. African people do not need to impress you or anyone else on the planet earth...We are the first and only complete human beings on this planet (fact). All other so called "races" are but diluted variations of us (fact). You really should invest in getting an education. Since your previous "rant' goes to show how delusional you are.y comment had nothing to do with Blacks lookin for validation in Sweden; I perfectly illustrated that Sweden has a racist double standard that is prevalant in all western nations. Nonetheless, I will end by saying this: their is a certain group of people who are less than 1 / 10th of the world population and they are going extinct....their children will pay for their sins. Thinking about that.
Sweden has two choices go to ruins with a dying poipulation or let go of it's racism. Since people like myself can only be placated to stay but for so long.
Actually, I have nothing against the African race. It's whiners that I detest. Especially hypocritical, racist whiners. If you have a roof over your head and you are getting your three square a day, you got nothing to complain about. Try moving to Haiti, for example, see how you like it there.
You don't like the people, you don't like the weather, you don't like this, that or the other thing. Fine. Just leave, then.
And don't let the door hit you in the backside on the way out.
apply again, you know how Swedish burocracy work, it is just jeopardy. Maybe your a-kassa is too high and they don't want you to be off the job market? mine was alfa-kassan so it is lower, they always say yes but still you have to be willing to get a job if it appears.
@kenny8076
He cashed his unemployment benefit while studying without informing or asking for permission to the authorities.
sam 1.... sfi is not fun or perfect. but do you remember learning grammer as a kid being all that great? NO? and it is recomended to study 3 hours a day outside of SFI. did you do that? no, me either.
Here is a guide to A-kassa rules produced for the Swedish trade unions - I got it from the website of this guys own union - nut it applies to all workers
https://www.internetkassan.nu/26/filer.aspx?typ=dokument&id=-16338257147291
@Kenny8076
He was fine while he was working and taking Swedish 1 day a week
When he became unemployed and claiming benefits he dropped out of SFI and did not attend for a few months
However then he decided to go back and even study everyday - he started going to SFI every day for 4 hours a day - but never informed the benefits office/A-kassa and adjusting his benefits - so he was actually a student 50% - which means he was only elegible foe 50% unemployment benefits.
When you are on benefits - each month you are usually required to certify that your circumstances have not changed ie you have not worked a day or weekend//taken a course etc and were 100% available for work and applying for jobs during the period. This is where his *mistake* occured - as he kept on ticking that box to say he had not worked or studied during the period - whereas he had
Maybe it was a mistake - maybe not - it's a very very well known scam that people start to study while on unemployment as you get paid so much more.... 80% of your old salary
"Maybe it was a mistake - maybe not - it's a very very well known scam that people start to study while on unemployment as you get paid so much more.... 80% of your old salary"
Yes, but how does it really affect the situation. Most folks (like myself) never get a dime for studying at SFI, so what's the difference between him being unemployed sitting at home and unemployed and trying to learn Swedish and blend in (and help his prospective job search)?
In my eyes it's one thing to get unemployment benefits and CSN benefits, another thing totally when you don't get jack for SFI. See,s the definition "studying" is too broad in the terminology here.
Frankly, when remembering the crappy SFI I attended I scoff at calling it "studying" or "going to school", my SFI was more like a babysitting program for immigrants. No desire to teach us anything of value, and rarely anyone escaping. I'd bet my bottom dollar that some of the immigrants I attended SFI with 10 years ago are STILL in SFI.
So what exactly makes Africans the only "complete" human beings on the planet? And the rest of us are diluted? With what? Giraffes? Dolphins? Tomato sauce? What?
I've read so many accusations of racism on this site in the last year but your two sentences above are the most purely racist I've seen yet. Your statement just oozes claims of racial superiority. Please tell me you're joking.
Among all I attended, SFI is the failure (no scientific teaching at all)
Anyways, neverthless I will be going SFI, maybe in future they transform into stg useful.
They must learn stg from Germans...
Take your substance-free professional victim garbage elsewhere, you are a parody of yourself and sometimes appear as a shill planted by the extremeright to discredit immigrants.
Thanks for the link.
Regarding what the guy did. The guy did what anyone else from Northern Ireland would have done. It would not have dawned on him the rules.
Also the fact that Swedes get social benefits back in Ireland is not lost on me.
as you can see from the picture at the top,i eventually went back to school,in march,roughly half a day,ONCE a week until june,then in october average 4 hours a day,once a week.
not 50%,not every day.
the main problem is that it is considered full time study,and also if you dont come to class,you stay registered,which they didnt tell me!!
total-79 !!! hours in one year -- 143 910kr
r?a(interest)--45 994kr
aviserings kosten? 154x50--7700kr
total--197 754kr
last payment - 2023!!
13 years paying 1286kr (13% of my wages now)
i worked as an electrician ,good wages,for 40 hours a week.
we talked english,i couldn`t join in swedish conversation,felt like i had an iq of 30,i asked about evening classes,nope.
only way was to take off work and go to SFI.
at sfi we talked about cooking,weddings,babies,etc.
nothing about tax,banks,work contracts,juridic language.
i loved my class,class mates and teachers,but they have to stick to the curriculum.
the only way to learn real swedish is to work,best thing that ever happened to me.
thats what i do now,i work 40 hours a week.
oh ,wait,its not a real job??(jobb och utvecklings garantin)
aha,do i have to give it up and sit at home looking for work 100%.
100% of what?
100% of the 40 hours as an electrician?
100% of the 32 hours they decided i worked per week,because i went to school?
aha,does that mean,i have worked overtime all year!!
and how could i work 4 days a week,if i studied full time!!
if i had taken private evening lessons,i would have had direct feedback,in english,custom suited to my needs. i could have communicated better with my work mates,integrate faster,fit in the group,understand conversation. instead i lost one days pay,paid for my travel to school,paid for my books. in the end it would have been much cheaper to take private lessons.
now,with `jobb och utvecklings garantin` a scheme from the unemployment office,i work as a Fj?v?,village host.
basically we do what is needed to clean up the village,from emptying the garbage cans,picking up rubbish,clearing the roads of broken beer bottles,replanting ripped up flowers in the flower boxes,returning broken traffic cones to their rightful place,clearing snow,straightening bent road signs,helping out at events,serving warm juice at cross country ski tracks,informing and helping tourists,painting poles for the summer walking trails,putting up flags,repairing the lawnmower,and cutting the grass,etc.
this is 40 hours a week,8 more hours than my benefit is based on!!
it´s a tough job,but somebody´s gotta do it.
naw,really,i love my job,but there is no money to employ me,pity.
i love this village,and am proud to keep it clean,and picturesque.
Just sitting at your computer constantly pressing refresh for the new jobs appearing? Thats just mad
Welcome to Sweden. Guess we don't have to tell you how much they love making rules over here, do we? :P
Sorry you got the shaft. What's your plans now? Are you going to pay the huge fees until 2023? Fight the system? Move home to Ireland?
Shame you got wrapped up in all this. Congrats on finding work though - I've lived here 10 years, speak and write fluently, am college educated, and have been unable to get ANY job at all. I'm non-EU and live way up North in nowhere land though, which is a huge part of my problem. I'm jumping ship and returning to my home country myself as soon as I get paperwork together and my things sold off. :(
A-kassan has no obligation to pay for you to study Swedish, understand you lots of retards here?
http://www.talksms.com/cat/1.aspx/KG6H8
try it !