Foreign students may get six months to find work
Foreign students who have completed their university studies in Sweden would get an additional six months to find employment, according to a new proposal.
Published: 10 Mar 2011 15:10 CET
The proposal, one of several being prepared by a government commission on migration issues, would make it easier foreign university students in Sweden to find jobs that would allow them to stay in the country.
The proposal is expected to be formally presented to the government in the near future.
In 2009, 40,000 foreign students were enrolled at Swedish universities but during the same year only 500 foreign graduates were able to stay on in Sweden after finishing their degrees, according to Sveriges Radio (SR).
The head of the committee, Mikaela Valtersson of the Green Party, believes that part of the problem are Sweden's harsh rules for student visas.
“Today they get a temporary residence permit which basically runs out as soon as they finish. We propose that the students should be allowed to stay on longer,” she told SR.
The new proposal would give students an extra six months after graduating in order to establish themselves on the labour market.
Houssam Toufaili graduated from the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in 2010 and went straight into a job.
However, he is one of only three out of the 65 foreign students of his graduating class still in Sweden today.
“I was a special case in that I didn’t need to look for work, but others were not so lucky,” Toufaili told the Local.
To be allowed an extra six months on your visa to look for work here would make a big difference to these students, according to Toufaili.
“Not only would it would give students time to concentrate on their studies instead of trying to find a job during the last few months before graduating, but it would also benefit employers getting Swedish educated professionals who want to stay in Sweden,” said Toufaili.
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2nd Reklam distribution (Svenska Direct Reklam), where foreigner have to disribute advertisment door to door (200-400) houses or apartment in an extreme cold and what you get is 50-80 kr for that (one district), so after a month (4 weekend) it give you a salary of massive 200-300kr which is not even the cost of 4-5 meal.
Only IT is the sector which are compelled to offer jobs to foreigner as there are not so Swede in this field and ultimately they are compelled to hire foreigner.
So who would like to stay here for long time, every one have some limits and when limits overpass, people are compelled to leave the place in search of some respectful jobb. Even the 3 months will count if foreigner jobs are created.
you are right but in IT sector there are some possibilities, as some found job, but those are 10% may be, But still 10% counts. In other sector its almost 99% no chance without fluent Svenska language.
The deal is with the employers here, they do not believe in the Swedish education system though they believe in Sweden. This makes it challenging for foreign professionals to integrate (professionally) except to take the dirty works (jobs that the swedes will not dare to do) as mentioned above.
This way i think no body will complain
let me tell you who will pay , during my stay i used to study in Vaxjo and work in Kopenhagen , many of students work in oslo or kopenhagen so infect Denmark or Norway is going to pay for that .
not just for their stay but also many university cities and campus accommodations and grocry store are being paid by them .
further a 16 yesrs qulified professional come to sweden on which his/her country have spent so much and now if sweden is unable to take benifit of him because of conservative policies and cant even pay for 10% of value of that professional then it is not my fault.
by the way i completed my study from sweden and now i have danish green card and learning danish language , because i have job here
@ lev8080: For your knowledge I'd like to share some info or if you still won't able to understand it then I might suggest you think before you speak. Tax money goes only for the tuition fee not for accommodation and not too far from Autumn2011 that load is over! so don't worry just chill.Have you ever thought whatever students buy here pay tax too? Who it goes to?
I think the sixth month period is short and we will say it should be 1 to 2 years.
The ideology behind the face book group is as under.we have already send email to different officials.and will request the government to consider.
We international students from different NON EU countries of the world.We want to convey our message to the Swedish government and Swedish Immigration minister .
We all international students are very much thankful to Swedish government that have provided us free Higher education till now.After completion of education the graduates from Sweden goes back to their countries or more than 90 percent go to Denmark as they have introduced green card scheme for skilled people all over the world ,they issue work permit through this scheme for 3 years and after extension of 3 years they will be offer Permanent residence for all graduates under some specified criteria. The Australian government also offer Permanent residence if the student complete 2 years education in Australia and the same other countries also do.
We all graduates who has completed their higher education in Sweden most of us have Denmark green card but we do not want to move there and want to stay in Sweden. We think as Sweden have provided higher education to us and we must use our skills here in this country.We want to contribute in Swedish economy and Swedish skilled labor market.
The work permit for several years to all graduates from NON EU countries will be great output of Swedish investment they did.
We are requesting to the government to consider the issue and make debate in the parliament.
The immigration law has been extemely stringent and insane in this area. I know several master's students who even had to go through a lot of trouble to extend the visa even when the master's thesis was not yet finished, going through such procedures while focusing on a thesis project is daunting and stressful, and when they are finished, the visa runs out *very* quickly, hardly allowing any time for them to find work in Sweden. It is a terrible waste of talent.
After this effort you will get enough time, around 1 year I guess to complete your thesis and apply for jobs. Because when you submit your thesis you can ask for 3 or 6 months extra (this is before graduation). After you get the degree you can again apply for 6 months visa . this in total is 1 year. If you are intelligent and lucky enough you can get the job.
And look, if you are capable, and say luck was against you, still no worries you can always find good jobs in other countries as well, just dont loose hope and keep trying.
One thing I have seen here is, the student try to do MS right after their BS or B.Sc. degree. Please try to have some years of experience in between these two degrees! M.Sc. isnt a kids stuff as many of us think!!!
Blaming the employers for not selecting your is completely absurd! As far as I know, Swedish govt motivate people and spend a lot in trying to make the people be productive here and set up businesses as well!
You are a 100% loser..Why do u cal students blater and do u realy think Swedne fed them? Students out here,u wana stay in sweden.use the fist 3 monhs to catch a swedisg gal and change ur residency..Its that easy as people like user lev8080 can not satisfy thier women
After 3 years,u have your pasport,u can stay in Sweden or move anywhere..So easy..
1. It should be 1 or 2 years not six month like other some countries.
2. Employer need to change them and be careful about they are not racist.
3. Employer should recruit foreigner student first then give them opportunity to learn language.
4. As Sweden is very peaceful country, so we all want to live here, but Sweden is not the only place for talent people. So, job market should be easy for us. Otherwise we can consider other European job market which one is not good experience for Swedish tax payer.
5. We are very grateful to Swedish people that they gave us chance to study in their universities with their money. So , I hope they will give us chance to give some feedback.
Anyway, more or less, its a good move
@yyyvxyyy : When you were studying in Vaxjo, How come you were working in Copenhagen? Were you being paid in black (Svarta Pengar)?
Be glad with what you got :)
Please tell me what facts are you talking about? Businesses are currently being set up by non-sweds here, this is according to migerationsverket and skatteverket. Only 20% percent sweds account for new business setups while 80% goes to non sweds!
As for the jobs, please have a look at the major organizations like ericsson, telenor, volvo etc. and many others, ALL OF THEM have over 50% of employees as non-sweds!
Look at the phd students (which is actually a job) at almost all of the institutes in Sweden... majority of these positions are being occupied by Asian, and other non-EU students.
if you guys think that non-sweds are not being given proper chances, please look at the people who actually are working in Sweden. They are also humans like us, and non-sweds like us!
I agree that Swedish is the requirement in many of the organizations, but please you need to understand, having a good work environment means communicating well as well as understanding the requirements properly! The government organizations mostly deal with swedish citizens, which is why their requirements are in swedish, which is why mostly SWEDISH-SPEAKING people are hired (not particularly SWEDS)
Same goes for many private organizations. I myself have been unable to speak swedish properly, even though I am going to SFI for the last 1 year. But I can not blame SFI for that because I have seen many other students who completed SFI in 6 months and now communicate properly and openly with the sweds and danish as well.
So, I try to improve myself by comparing myself with people similar to me and at better positions. I can get all that by improving myself as well. But blaming others for not hiring people is wrong. Perhaps at minor cases here and there are encountered, but this should not be used as a generalization.
See good in everything and create an example rather than complaining
Some people here complain too much and desire that things come easy.
@andttrip: who is providing free medical and medicines, you live in dreamworld come on wake-up from long winter sleep. Your comparison of application fee is completely illogical coz if there ain't jobs and system is designed in a way to keep away foreigners from entering in job market. Then 1000kr is equal to10,000kr.
OK now look the thing the you look.
1) You are saying 80% Business setups are arranged by Non-Swed, Do you know what 80% these Business are, Only Irani Pizzerias and Some Cleaning firms that are formed by immigrants living here for more than 10 year. And i don't feel any panic to say that they all recruit black job holder where condition is worse i have ever Seen. They are exploiting Non-Swed (specially 3rd world country people) with 25Kr per hour, It is better to die at road rather than working and humiliating yourself at any Pizzeria like this, And forget about to find a job at McDonalds, Subway, Max even at back end and Kitchen jobs, Only respected Swede and some 5% permanent resident holder in Sweden (Immigrant) (Who are strongly backed up by Arbetsf?dlingen to be hired) are welcomed, But Student Sorry. Real Business Firms are owned by Swede and don't expect any call from any Swede Employer,
2) Volvo, Ericsson and all the firm you mention related to IT field where unfortunately Swed are not intellectual enough to hold any middle level position in IT field and the reality is Swede don't study hard subjects and IT is one of them, In our University almost 95% are Non Swed, So Unfortunately they can't recruit Swede in-spite of their eagerly desire. Fortunately that is the sector that where Non Swede fixed by chance. What about the other fields, Business, Marketing, Accounting etc.
3) Phd's. You are talking about few number of Science or IT Phd position which most Swede not dare to do because according to them it is tough (enligt many Swede I met) and want to enjoy their life as well on Welfare fund, University are compelled to offer Phd's to Non Swede Student for the Research Publication because without it, University have no Value and these Phd's counts for 10-15% What about the Phd's in Business, Marketing , Accounting, Management which are the main programs in many Business School.
I also Disagree that Swede Employee hire Swedish Speaking rather than Swede, I have learnt Swedish conversational level, Submit my CV's in Swedish, Met employers personally and discuss everything in Swedish(Svenska), Everything clear but next day or two you will found any Swede there, And it is not happened once but many time and many people, Experiment yourself by dropping your CV (Written in Pure Swedish),in any McDonald's, Max website if you get any call ever I will change my name. Its not about Swedish Speaking but a race is Involve here as well. Swedish speaking (Non Swede) only get job in Cleaning company or Snow work. How many Foreigner you found at any Executive Post in a Reputed Company. Svan, Bj?matter more than any experience and skills.
You seems to be irrational while making such comments, Are you comparing UK with Sweden ,, Huh.
When someone pay £255-594 pound as Visa Fee, then he/she also earn £1000 per month as well, and i am not firing in the Air, My Brothers and cousins are there (In UK, Australia & Canada) who earns. They pays University Fees, Accommodation, Foods,Leisure, and beside this save some money as well.
Now talk about Sweden, Sweden offering free education, A big plus and in return University ranking goes up, No job at all, (Bigger disadvantage than Free Education) so either all the borrowing money from homeland or starving. So ultimately they are spending in Sweden and earning nothing. Only education counts as Investment.
1) What do you want to say? That the State should finance Big Ventures by Non Swedes? Is that what you are looking for? How many Leading Business Houses in your Home Country are owned by Foreigners?
2) Volvo, Ericsson...Perhaps they should run their businesses according to your Whims & Fantasies. They should fire all the Middle Management n heed your advice.
Just because you speak the language does not entitles you to get a particular job. Apart from that you have to demonstrate that you have the "Necessary" skills to perform the job as well.
All businesses start with a small level. If not all then atleast majority of them. If you have the creativity, the small ventures can be made big...but only if you have the will and the sight for it! Unless of course one happens to be billionaire and opens up a big enterprise!
You are talking about PhD's, well, i know about KTH and BTH , all of them get phd applications from sweds and non sweds. mostly non-sweds are preferred because of their capabilities and experience.
You are talking about IT and technology, well most of the latest telecom research and IT products were produced by SWEDEN in the past, and still the research is progressing. The best example is of SKYPE!
Ok leave the IT and technology side, consider the management trainees. First, of all, especially for management side, the MBAs and stuff, they are NOT SUPPOSED to get job here man. They need to understand the culture here, they need to understand many things here other than the language!!!! MOST of the graduates of top ranking universities in management programs, fail to get jobs in asian countries, not because the employers are bad or the university is bad. Its just because they are not familiar with the culture and norms of the place.
Let me state here clearly, I am not taking anyone's side here. But the thing is complaining will not benefit anyone. Trust me, if someone is capable, he will get the living he deserves! I also would like to add here, communication skills matter the most here, infact every where. And most of the people lack the communication skills.
Just think like this please, if you can not speak the language, how would you enter the sales market, where you need to make contacts in Swedish! A chinese friend of mine tried to open chains of stores here, but failed initially. Because in china, the discount they give, it represents the amount of money you NEED to pay, not what you don't need to pay! This is just one of simplest examples I could find.
And you need to find opportunities, if you see one field is getting saturated, you can target some other area else unless you have an innovative idea.
I myself am a foreign student. I have studied courses in management as well as IT. If i don't find a job here right now, I will not blame this state. Just my luck but I am confident of finding the job somewhere else perhaps.
who pays for them to stay 6 months?
The student dont have to be paid. the criteria being that you have concluded your degree and have enough money to finance your stay for the period -6 month as proposed. so you can relax your nerves Mr Tax-payer!
Talking about capabilities and experience of Swedish PhDs - why is it that not a single Swede, doing research in Sweden has EVER won an academic Nobel prize? Their skills and capabilities cannot be that high if they are not excelling on the global level, and the academic Nobel Prize is the standard of global excellence for academicians. Academicians from India and China have won, and these are not developed countries.
@Commoner
In most countries many business are owned by foreigners, both in third world and in developed countries and it is aggressively encouraged. US, Britain, Japan and even small tiny countries you have never heard of. From big companies to small businesses. Look at the Forbes 500 list, you will recognize a lot of European and Asian companies and pay attention US is NOT in the EU, and is in fact a business RIVAL of the EU. On an individual level US will give you a green card instantly if you are going to start a business investing a certain amount of money in a business based in US. Towns and cities in the US invite and lavishly host foreigners who they think might be be candidates for such green cards. Embassies play a similar role, they are not there to do business, yet they are always partnering and doing events with business organizations. Cities also sell themselves. New York City, for instance sells itself as the "Capital of the World", but this is not just bragging, they want international companies to move their headquarters to "The Big Apple". Stockholm also sells herself as "The Capital of Scandinavia" for similar reasons.
Go to a small third world country and you might find a Swedish person running a business there, but you will find many Germans, Britons, French, Chinese.
Swedish chef Marcus Samuelsson's career and restaurant businesses exploded when he went to the US, in a short time he owns several very successful restaurants in major US cities. Half the NHL roster is Swedish. Swedish actors and models are living and working in the US. People in other countries in the world are open to foreigners including Swedes while Swedes are not. American culture is THE OPPOSITE of Swedish culture (think jante laws) yet Americans are quite happy to bring all the Swedish hockey players they can get their hands on, and try to learn to cook like Marcus Samuelsson.
The Swedish government is working hard to attract foreign entrepreneurs at all levels through "Invest In Sweden". In the last two years the Swedish government has changed immigration rules to aggressively court individual foreign investors. The government is doing it's job, but Swedes are failing their government. The problem for Sweden is that Swedes are very closed to foreigners, so it is not a welcoming place for foreign investors.
http://www.sverigeturism.se/smorgasbord/smorgasbord/culture/lifestyle/prizes.html
If you don't know about the nobel prize winners of Sweden, this doesn't mean that they don't have them.
I didn't want to appear biased by take the side of SWEDEN, but please before arguing read first.
And I am not talking about whether sweds are capable or not, I don't care about that. The thing is whether we are capable or not. If we are then we have to show our worth! If not here then somewhere else Simple! But blaming others for not hiring us is simply wrong!
It is always the way especially on this forum, Those who are incapable always blame the country/the system/bias etc. etc, and never think that the problem may be MUCH closer to home
Swedish Nobel price winners
Kemi
1903 - Svante Arrhenius, teorin om den elektrolytiska dissociationen
1926 - The Svedberg, kolloid-kemiska unders?ngar
1929 - Hans von Euler-Chelpin, enzymer verksamma vid j?ing av sockerarter
1948 - Arne Tiselius, unders?ng av proteiner med elektrofores
Fysik
1912 - Gustaf Dal? uppfinningar
1924 - Manne Siegbahn, r?enspektrografi
1970 - Hannes Alfv? magnetohydrodynamiska v?rna (Alfv??rna)
1981 - Kai Siegbahn, utvecklingen av elektronspektroskopi
Fysiologi eller medicin
1911 - Allvar Gullstrand, synforskning
1955 - Hugo Theorell, f??ng?de oxiderande enzymer
1967 - Ragnar Granit, n?innans mekanismer vid f?seende
1970 - Ulf von Euler, uppt?ten av noradrenalin
1981 - Torsten Wiesel, forskningsr?m hj?ans syncentrum
1982 - Sune Bergstr?Bengt Samuelsson, prostaglandiner
2000 - Arvid Carlsson, signal?f?g i nervsystemet
It´s all about atitude, stop being so hostile!
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this sounds like a joke...
....Give them six months + tell employers to tighten employment rules for foreigners="dont blame us,atleast we tried,u can now leave.
6 months is good time to plan another migration...
Well, atleast she is doing something. Instead of living off a-kassa, she preferred to work.
What exactly is your point, art hjarna?
1. Unable to find a professional job after completion of the degree.
2. why such degrees are taught when job market isn't open for them.
3. Swede students dependent on CSN which must be paid off.
4. For this, they have to do what they don't want to do (odd jobs)
5. They're Swedes, knows language, culture everything.....why searching jobs abroad?
too bad my expertise would be used by danish or germans and not swedes who deliberately spent their tax money for my high qualification....i really want to serve sweden even with at low price as compare to average swede but. OK...Suit yourself
I havenot heard any thing about this proposal since then and what is the status? I mean Is it ratified?
Loved it man :) Quenched.....
so form day one till today i have paid some 100k SEK to swedish government without earning a single penny here.Dont i even deserve to get a job or so much so a paid thesis
But why do you come to study at KTH? I think most probably because you are not good enough to be accepted as a Master student in a university at your home country....lol..