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Young Swedes nab jobs from Norwegian youth

Young Swedes nab jobs from Norwegian youth

A steady stream of keen young Swedes over the border has made it more difficult for young people in Norway to get part-time or summer jobs, according to a new study.

Published: 26 Jul 2012 11:01 CET



The influx of Swedes has made it especially tricky for first-time Norwegian job seekers aged 17-18 to break into the labour market, study author Camilla Sundt told newspaper Aftenposten.

“Our analysis shows that an increased number of Swedes has a negative effect on the likelihood of 17-year-old Norwegians being in work,” she told the paper.

“When the number of young Swedes rises by one percentage point, the number of young Norwegians in work falls by half a percentage point,” said Sundt, whose master’s study forms part of a larger research project being conducted by the Ragnar Frisch Centre for Economic Research at the University of Oslo.

The study is financed by the Norwegian Ministry of Labour.

Many of the Swedes find jobs in the service sector or receive work through recruitment firms like Adecco. Oslo’s location relatively close to the border has made it a popular destination for Swedes, whose presence is especially noticeable in the city’s restaurants and cafes.

According to Even Westerveld, a communications adviser at Adecco, young Norwegians are often more picky about the kind of part-time work or summer jobs they will agree to take.

“Even if there’s a lot available, there are many jobs young Norwegians aren’t keen on doing. Another aspect is that many of them don’t have previous experience,” he told Aftenposten.

Camilla Sundt said the arrival of the young Swedes has driven down hourly pay rates, while also noting that her findings could neither confirm nor repudiate a widely held view that Norwegian youngsters have become more lazy.

Young Swedes have streamed over the border in recent years, with unemployment standing at 7.8 percent in Sweden compared to just 2.7 percent in neighbouring Norway.

Of even more pressing concern for the young Swedes is a domestic youth unemployment rate of 22.5 percent, as opposed to an 8 percent rate in Norway.

The number of Swedes working in Norway has therefore also risen from 15,000 in 2001 to more than 25,000 ten years later.


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12:55 July 26, 2012 by Rishonim
Swedes are driving down the hourly pay rates? ROFLMSAO. So Swedes are doing in Norway what they accuse the Poles for doing in Sweden... LOL... I heard Mexican migrant workers in the USA are going back home. They say the pay is better there.
14:23 July 26, 2012 by Spuds MacKenzie
To counteract that whopping 2.7% unemployment rate in Norway, those poor unemployed Norwegians can come pick berries here instead since all the Bulgarians have been sent home. :)
14:30 July 26, 2012 by Abe L
So more Swedes discovered that it's a very good idea to work in Norway and live in Sweden. Norwegian salary on Swedes bills. I can only imagine more will follow.
16:14 July 26, 2012 by Great Scott
The headlines to this report should say "Jobless Swedes take Norwegian jobs to survive"

Do not feel sorry for the Norwegians, and don't think swedes are driving down wages in Norway. Feel sorry for the Swedes that are forced to work in Norway due to Sweden's ever increasing high unemployment rate. Str?ad close the Norwegian border is probably the best place in Sweden to get work at the moment. Nordby shopping centre is cashing in on the well-off Norwegians, Str?ad itself a fairly small town has two Systembolaget's and they take more money than any other Bolaget in Sweden. The Swedes used to laugh at the Norwegians 30 years ago, now it's the other way round and the Norwegians are laughing louder.
16:47 July 26, 2012 by Migga
This can`t be true. According to some of the sweden bashers on here the swedish youth would be more picky and lazy. No way that they are peeling bananas in norweigan factories.
17:27 July 26, 2012 by Swedish Cat
This is a result of Swedish youth not getting the chance in Sweden to get a job whilst we are pushing for people to retire later and later to get taxes in?. Something is wrong with this picture. I remember how hard it was to scrape up the hours working 3 different jobs during holidays, evenings and week ends doing the shifts no one else wanted. I left the country and went to countries in the EU were you got a fair chance to work on that experience Sweden is requiring. Now back and being head hunted almost every day.. There are jobs in Sweden and companies biggest challenge is to recruit skilled people. I do not believe that we have the right prioritization getting people in and trained. Young people work and pay taxes as well spending all their money in the countries that is hosting them. This is revenue Sweden really would need. What I also noticed abroad was how Swedes had a good reputation worked hard and were reliable. This might also be a reason why Swedes are taking jobs from the Norwegian youth . Swedes are proud to work opposite many people for ex in Norway who have higher standards and even are looking down on the Swedes for working lower paid jobs. This is the reason I would say Sweden got so far in the past building a country with such well known brands. Ikea, H&M, E-lux, volvo etc etc plus at some stage nr 2 largest music producer in the world after the US. Rather good with the small population and came purely out of hard labour. Speaking to Norwegian employers they actually are staing that they prefer Swedish labour due to the fact that they simply work harder.
18:54 July 26, 2012 by Great Scott
The main reason young people can't get jobs in Sweden is because and it might sound stupid, but all the unskilled jobs are taken up by the UNEMPLOYED. Yes unemployed people are forced to work for companies without pay on the outrageous phase 3 scheme. Companies in turn get 5,000kr per month from tax payer's money to take on the unemployed. While these jobs are filled by unemployed people there will be more unemployed, a spiral to disaster. Why should anyone take someone when they have it for free, if they do need more people they get another one for free and so on?
23:46 July 26, 2012 by Smartone
A Swedish guy works in a Swedish IKEA in Norway who was unable to find a job in Sweden. When Sweden will change its labour policies? OR it will keep sending it's youth in other countries in struggle of survival?
00:58 July 27, 2012 by jostein
Absurdistan.
09:55 July 27, 2012 by Swedishmyth
"Of even more pressing concern for the young Swedes is a domestic youth unemployment rate of 22.5 percent..."

Depends on how you define "Swedes". It's not a problem inherent in the country's structure.
11:36 July 27, 2012 by Great Scott
Please don't try and find ways to excuse the governments' incompetence. The unemployment figure has increased rapidly since they got into power. What people fail to see is that phase 3 on its own is creating more unemployment. Scrap the atrocity and companies will be forced to pay for labour and not get it for free. This in turn will cut the vast amount of tax payers' money that is put into fat cats pockets and raise taxes. Do some investigation, find how many are on phase 3, how much is being handed to fat cats by the tax payers and see how many are defined as "Swedes" as you put it, it will open your eyes.
13:34 July 27, 2012 by Swedish Cat
Swedes or non Swedes I do not mind as long as one is willing to work and contributing to the society we all live in. I do see the logic behind the fact of letting hard taxed companies getting free labour. Staff is the most expensive thing for companies as well as I see the point in letting unemployed people getting introduced to the marketplace. However the issue I see is that the long time unemployed people might not always be the ones that are the most eager to find and want to work. Believe therefore in many cases they would see it as doing their time to be able to go back on extra A-Kassa days. I would like to see that we lower the cost for companies in other places to enable the to hire people that are hungry and willing to work. There is a lot of young people out there who is even prepared to leave the country to not having to go on unemployment and costing the country money. Instead of punishing these people who is our real future taxpayers we should applaud them. There will always be people who does not want to work FACT. Unemployment will never go to 0 even how much money a country has.. Norway is a god example of that! However instead of focusing on them lets focus on the ones that do. No Government is perfect and ours is far from it, However personally I think our government has done a good job during the crisis and if the social democrats came to power we would go even further in taxing companies making it harder to hire as well as sheltering people who does not want to work while punishing the workers with further taxes. You don't believe me..take a look at France.
17:21 July 27, 2012 by Great Scott
@ Swedish Cat

Where you get the idea Sweden's economy is in good shape (oh, because Borg told you), the first signs of problems are high unemployment (e.g. Spain, Greece). This government has done nothing to help the country at all, in fact it's sending it back 100 years when Sweden was a very poor country.

This government has made dreadful cuts to the health service, thus waiting times increasing, elderly care going into an abysmal state, doctor certified handicapped people being told there not and having their disability allowances taken away, and an ambulance service that can't always handle the problem (people have died) due to cuts. Furthermore cuts in medical training i.e. nursing, cuts to local councils forcing unemployment and a deterioration in services.

When it comes to phase 3 you don't seem to understand what's going on here do you. People who want to work and are continuously looking for work, but cannot find any due the fact that there are NO JOBS in many areas.

I ask you the question would you go and work 40 hours a week and get as little as 2500kr per month, because that's what many youngsters have to except and you pity the companies, you must be off your rocker.

One of the main reasons companies are suffering is because they OVER CHARGE for many things, we all know it is very expensive in Sweden. I know someone that went for wheel tracking on their car, they were quoted at ANA 1500kr, it's a bloody monkey job, I bet the fitter gets about 130kr of that.
18:25 July 27, 2012 by james_g
@ Great Scott - sounded there as if you were describing the UK. Politicians (of assorted varieties), moronic economists, bankers, big business - they've got a lot to answer for...
23:16 July 27, 2012 by Swedish Cat
: I agree with James-h here and I know as just got back from the UK spending 10 years over there. As you are paying 22% tax in the UK you get what you pay for "Nothing" and it is very simple. I do not even understand what you are complaining about as Sweden is 1000 times better in the aspects you are pointing out. Ambulance nor police showed up even though I lived a stone throw from the Royal Castle. The guy who needed medical assistance at the time was after sent by taxi to emergency room sent home walking with a cracked skull. Yes Sweden has had to cut down on spending. To keep up with our socialistic ways Sweden among many other countries incl the UK has spent to much money and borrowed way over what we could afford. Just like in real life there is a time when you need to pay back and build up your savings as well No it is NOT fun. I do not pity the companies however if we tax them to death they will go somewhere else (happening in France at the moment) Guess what,, no more jobs.... Just ignorant of us to believe that companies should somehow be obligated to take consideration to workers as they are investing their own money were it is profitable. What the UK shall have credits for is that anyone with our without education gets to get a chance to work. There is nothing really protecting them from getting fired however if you want to work you at least get the chance.
06:05 July 28, 2012 by prince T
Anyone listening to @ swedishcat will think its making sense. Ikea, h&m and many other swedish companies are registered abroad. I agreed that swedish social services are faster but not better. Remember health is free in UK, NHS. Swdish police are the worst in europe. If not for my family i would have been one of the statistics in norway. Many of my friends in the health sector work in norway and live in sweden. Y are we lying abt this.

@jpostein. U always have something to say in defence of sweden. It is very good but. u can deceive others but it will be foolishness to delude yourselves too.
13:26 July 28, 2012 by Great Scott
@Swedish Cat

You have waffled on about nothing, do not try to turn the discussion around and start pointing fingers at other countries. This is about Sweden and its high unemployment rates that are forcing people out of the country.

And please answer my question.
20:41 July 28, 2012 by Swedish Cat
@ Great Scott As I stated before. Having to pay your debts after living over your expenses for a long time is not fun and offcourse it has its impact in the great social lifestyle we are used to live in. I would love to have everything a left party is standing for.....who wouldn't?? The hard fact is that the money need to come from somewhere and we do have more spending than income. Simple maths! Up North the Social Democrats won the local election and they took the ambulance away and replaced it with a small Golf putting peoples life in danger. Does not matter who is in power as there is no money!!

Answer to that question:

No I would not like to work for that kind of money however I am one of the youth that actually did. I worked 3 jobs in the far Northern inland of Sweden were there are no jobs to scrape up the hours. If I could get access to 3 jobs "however really crappy shifts" in a place were the unemployment is the highest my question is why can not other who really want too people even get 1?

If you lower your standards etc with working hours, pay and conditions at the start there are jobs in my opinion. Yes it sucks but I refused going on unemployment as many of my friends enjoying the long summers, week ends, evenings did. My point is that there are jobs if you want to but not under the best circumstances I agree, Therefore I made the decision myself to leave the country and now back with the experience needed to get a good job and pay over here.. Sweden is not a communistic country like China "Thank God" and businesses are going to grow where they make profit and are not charity organizations even if we like it or not. The fact is that Sweden is to expensive with taxes and huge costs are hitting them hiring people on top... I agree that putting unemployed people in were they might not want to be for free is a bad idea but costs needs to go down somewhere else to be able to make Sweden an attractive place for business to want to invest and expand plus being able to hire people.
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