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The Local · 19 Aug 2009, 12:27

Published: 19 Aug 2009 12:27 GMT+02:00

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"The article in the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet is as shocking and appalling to us Swedes as it is to Israeli citizens. We share the dismay expressed by Israeli government representatives, media and the Israeli public. This Embassy cannot but clearly distance itself from it," writes Ambassador Elisabet Borsiin Bonnier on the Swedish Embassy website.

Aftonbladet's article, 'Våra söner plundras på sina organ' ('They plunder the organs of our sons'), has sparked outrage in Israel.

Published on Monday, the article by photographer and writer Donald Boström accuses the Israeli army of involvement in the illegal human organ trade. In a new twist to claims he has laid out several times previously, Boström links allegations of organ harvesting made by individual Palestinians to a New York-based crime suspect, Rabbi Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, recently accused of attempting to facilitate the sale of a kidney from a donor in Israel.

Israel's deputy foreign minster Danny Ayalon expressed fury at an article he described as anti-Semitic.

"I demand the Swedish government condemn this groundless article," he said.

A spokesman for the Israeli foreign ministry, Yigal Palmor, categorised the article and the decision to publish as "a mark of disgrace" for the Swedish press.

"In a democratic country, there should be no place for dark blood libels out of the Middle Ages of this type. This is an article that shames Swedish democracy and the entire Swedish press," Palmor said in a statement.

"We are dealing with the lowest type of propaganda that doesn't have even one shred of truth in it. It is a blot on the press, and all of Sweden's citizens should vehemently reject this racist outburst that has no place in a democratic society," Palmor told news agency AFP.

Ambassador Bonnier stressed that Sweden, like Israel, enjoyed a free press.

"However, freedom of the press and freedom of expression are freedoms which carry a certain responsibility. It falls on the editor-in-chief of any given newspaper."

Speaking to The Local, Aftonbladet's culture editor Åsa Linderborg defended the publication and expressed surprise at the strong reactions in Israel.

"It surprises me really. The questions that it raises are nothing new. The Knesset has on several occasions discussed the issue of widespread organ trading in Israel."

She added that she did not in any way regret publishing the article.

"No. Why should I?"

"Furthermore I am indignant that they (Israel) would get involved in what is published in the Swedish media. I think it is embarrassing for them that they would question our right to publish."

"And for Sweden's ambassador in Israel to get involved, is just plain scandalous."

"I think one can also question whether Israel has the right to shoot so many Palestinian men," said Linderborg.

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The foreign ministry in Sweden said Ambassador Bonnier's decision to comment on the publication was a "local initiative" which had not been sanctioned by Stockholm.

"The foreign ministry does not review articles in the Swedish press about foreign circumstances," spokesman Anders Jörle told the TT news agency.

Lena Posner Körösi, head of the Official Council of Swedish Jewish Communities, called on Aftonbladet's editor-in-chief Jan Helin to distance himself from anti-Semitic assertions. In a statement she writes that Boström's article "recycles one of the true classics of anti-Semitism: the Jew who abducts children, slaughters them and steals their blood."

Paul O'Mahony, Peter Vinthagen Simpson

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13:04 August 19, 2009 by Torontonian
Dark blood libel right out of the Middle Ages....directly to the home of 1.25 million Swedes.

And after that people say that Jews are paranoid.... Well the fact someone is a paranoid does not mean you are not being persecuted and targeted.
13:27 August 19, 2009 by peropaco
Aftonbladet and most of the Swedish press is anti-Israel. I would dare go as far as saying a large majority of Swedes are anti-Israel as well.
13:41 August 19, 2009 by eZee.se
@peropaco, well said.

Which is kind of stupid, I mean think about it, if Finland was launching a couple of bombs everyday that landed on Swedish soil and occasionally killed a Swedish national how long do you think before Sweden reacted?

This is just going to add fuel to the fire to those people who believe everything bad they hear about Israel and support the Iranian presidents words of "Israel should be wiped off the map". There's also a lot of shame that tiny Israel kicked 4 countries asses in 2 days :))

Note: I am not an Israelite/Jew nor am related to one, and from my post you can see I have nothing against Israel or its people either.
13:42 August 19, 2009 by Kaethar
What's the problem? It's in the culture section of the paper, meaning it's for opinion/debate pieces and not for hardcore journalism. And he states Palestinians are CLAIMING this, not that it's actually true. And also that he himself has actually witnessed one case of this (which could be an exception, or not...)

Why make this into a Jewish issue? Israeli's are the have's and Palestinians are the have-not's. Why is such a scenario likely? It COULD happen. The journalist know it's happened once, and that there are further allegations of crime. And that's that. Why the outcry? How about the Israeli government starts an investigation into this instead?

@peropaco: Being against Israel's foreign policy is not being against Israel, just like being against the USA's foreign policy is not being anti-American. But yes, Aftonbladet and the majority of the Swedish population are negative to both the American and the Israeli foreign policy's, for obvious reasons.
13:50 August 19, 2009 by bocagill
I wish the story had more information but in the usa some rabbi where arrested for corruption and what came out of it aslo was they were involved in selling organs from israel, I need to go back and find the story in the usa papers and get more info
13:55 August 19, 2009 by Alma
Swedes are smart, not some dumb idiots easily sucked in by the likes of CNN, MSNBC and so on..

Israel should't reallyworry about its image. Aljazeera english version broadcasted live their attrocities.

As far as selling organs,--- wasn't ortodox Jewish rabbi arrested for this crime in the US just recently?
14:01 August 19, 2009 by arslan11
what a double standard..

"Ambassador Bonnier stressed that Sweden, like Israel, enjoyed a free press.

'However, freedom of the press and freedom of expression are freedoms which carry a certain responsibility"....

When a Danish paper ridiculed Prophet Mohammad the whole Scandinavia was saying that its freedom of speech without realizing that they hurt more than billion Muslims. But their freedom stops at discussing exact reality of holocaust and atrocities made by Israelis.
14:24 August 19, 2009 by hpunlimited
Not that I believe what Aftonbladet is writing is true, I think it sounds a little too unbelievable! How ever!, Israel thinks that democracy and freedom of press = Only good news about israel. Israel can never do anything wrong! Anyone that critizies Israel is a NAZI. I wonder how long Israel is going to use the "Holocaust" card??! It is quite pathetic!
15:02 August 19, 2009 by Kaethar
@peropaco: I was talking generally. This case has nothing to do with foreign policy, but you're the one who brought it up.

Why are these outrageous allegations? Organ harvesting in poor countries/regions at the hands of its richer neighbours is quite common. If this is true it needs to be stopped. Which is why the Israeli government should open an investigation about it instead of whining and calling their accusers liers.

Muslims make up only 4% of Sweden's population. Not all of those are practicing. So how does this have anything to do "protecting" Sweden from muslims? What nonsense. If the article had never been written no one would have known about this anyway.
15:09 August 19, 2009 by rami.se
15:11 August 19, 2009 by peropaco
mobings. If you are quoting Orwel then you are doing a bad job. I think you have it all wrong. Xtians are bad and destructives. They have an apetite for blood and destruction. If you think I am wrong, then go and read up on your books.

Kaethar, 4% and growing. Who says one needs to be a practicing person to feel hatred? Where do you get that logic from?
15:30 August 19, 2009 by mobings
Overwhelmed with the spirit of 'Freedom of Speech' the moderator removed my previous comments. Lets face the reality that nothing cause more destruction to humanity than religions and particularly Abrahamic religions. Famine, poverty and joblessness are much bigger and physical in scope than the biggest and greatest gods which exist only in minds.........
15:33 August 19, 2009 by peropaco
15:36 August 19, 2009 by bocagill
15:38 August 19, 2009 by sebseb
I hope that Aftenbladet will defend itself and bring the sources used for its article. I sincerely hope that all Swedish newspaper will back Aftenbladet and that other countries publish the article, translated in as many languages as possible.

I think that most of the people on this planet have had enough of the "I am Jew, so you cannot talk bad about me because WE suffered in the past"

I won't let Israel censure my country, no way.
15:43 August 19, 2009 by peropaco

that does this article have to do with Israel? Because you see a person wearing a Kipah do you automatically relat them to Israel?

SEB-SEB.. They sufferred because of your ancestors suppported the Nazis;-)..
15:47 August 19, 2009 by Kaethar
@peropaco: So? It's still a minority population.

So according to you the only prerequisite to feeling hatred is being a muslim culturally? The only people who care about the muslim brotherhood are people who believe in the idea of the ummah. So some practicing muslims. And this isn't even relevant in this case, since I don't see what an article about possible organ harvesting in Israel has to do with practicing muslims in Sweden. Generally I find most people, regardless of religion or ethnic background, will care about illegal organ transplants.

@mobings: I agree with you, but I find that as long as you don't argue hatefully there isn't much of a problem...
15:56 August 19, 2009 by sleeplesssweden
The facts are facts...i once supported israeli right to defend themselves but thier crimes over the years have made me look back

the odds are piling up against them every day....
16:02 August 19, 2009 by Iraniboy
Newspepers shouldn't publish something before making sure it's true. It's immoral especially when it's a senseitive issue.

But the thing is, Israel's reputation doesn't need a fake story. They just need to publish the story of the UN protected school and UNHQ in Lebanon that was bombed by IDF leading to deaths of many children that Kof Anan described as a "Deliberate attack".
16:06 August 19, 2009 by sebseb

thats my ancestors, so you are not bringing anything to this discussion. And by the way, I have 2 friends at the moment working on a French and an English translation of the Aftonbladet article. This will be awesomely spreaded around!
16:13 August 19, 2009 by c9dw2rm8
@Iranboy talk about reputation - what an oxymoron!!
16:26 August 19, 2009 by vladd777
I agree with eZee.se.

I'm not Jewish either and feel bad for innocent Jews who are constantly being 'shot at' in words or via rockets.

This rabbi has really let his side down and his God as well.

Hopefully the truth will be revealed.

16:47 August 19, 2009 by nenirav

I will begin by apologizing for being clear and straightforward, and by stating that I'm a Jew and an Israeli.

The story is true as many other good old European folk stories. The fact that a Swedish newspaper came out with the story doesn't really surprise me at all. You will believe anything bad told of a Jew/Israel. In your eyes, 'a dirty Arab is exotic, while a dirty Jew is a dirty Jew'.

However, if we are that bad, how come we've managed to give you God, Modern psychology, Einstein, numerous Nobel prize winners, ICQ, Disk on key, and many other contributions including…Dana International (DIVA...) -And did it when we were less then the above discussed 4% of the population-?; While you managed to give us a problematic past (to say the least), and IKEA?

Finally my (not that good) friends, Israel was born thanks to your hate, and is getting stronger as you revive it.
17:00 August 19, 2009 by sebseb

And, so what? There is no hate about Israel here. No one is talking about Jews here. You are the paranoid man.
17:05 August 19, 2009 by Querist
"The story is true as many other good old European folk stories."


"One of those arrested was a Brooklyn man, Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, who was charged with trading in human organs. . . laundered through what Rosenbaum described first as a "congregation," then as a charity. According to published reports, Rosenbaum ran the Brooklyn branch of Kav Lachayim, a charity for sick children that was once supported by convicted financier Bernie Madoff. "



"But amid the bribery and money-laundering allegations, the element of the sweeping sting that grabbed the most attention was the accusation that Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, a New York City resident, had tried to orchestrate the sale of a human kidney for $160,000."




17:12 August 19, 2009 by sebseb
Here too we are talking about it: http://www.prisonplanet.com/israeli-troops-kidnap-palestinians-for-organs.html

Israel will totally lost its face in that story. Who cares that the Swedish Embassy repeated that they were desagreeing with Aftonbladet. I am sure that most of others newspaper in Sweden, and in other countries,will back Aftonbladet.
17:15 August 19, 2009 by Kaethar
What the hell? Are all the readers of ynetnews here? Nutters...
17:16 August 19, 2009 by Querist

[snippet]: ..."Among those arrested on July 23 were Rabbi Eliahu Ben Haim and Rabbi Edmund Nahum, who are reportedly close to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef and his son, Rabbi David Yosef. Ben Haim and Nahum were allegedly major fundraisers for Shas..."

..." Leaders of Shas, which won 11 seats in the Knesset and is the fourth largest member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition government..."

17:23 August 19, 2009 by nenirav
Dear sebsab,

If you would only change the word "Israeli-troops" by Swedish-troops it will sound crazy and unbelievable, right? So why does it sounds reliable when the word Israel appears?

I guess you were never to Israel. If you were, you would know that we are as normal as you.

As I'm not setting my perception of you by your 2ndWW and porn reputation, don't set yours by Arab/leftist propaganda.
17:30 August 19, 2009 by mkvgtired
Kaethar, I can tell you that Europeans are not just against American or Israeli policies. I have (as an American not an Israeli) experienced the hatred firsthand. I have had multiple Europeans tell me that many of Europe's problems would be solved if there were no more Jews there. I have been told this in Germany, The Netherlands, Poland, and Austria (I have never been to Sweden, but I can guarantee I would be told the same thing there). They blame the current financial crisis on the Jews (sound familiar).

Look at the Israeli hateful comments posted on the article about two Israeli soccer (football) players "raping" a women. It turns out it was a dispute over the price they were going to pay a prostitute, but it did not stop the local from reporting it as a "rape". Antisemitism is alive and well in Europe. Danny B, they could care less about the Jewish refugees. After all they were displaced due to European policies and NGOs and government organizations Europe funded.
17:42 August 19, 2009 by sebseb

the issue in Israel are to be blame on the British, not the rest of Europe.

There is no hatred here at all. I am telling you, you guys are paranoid. And no one is blaming the "Jews" for the current economic crisis, most Europeans are blaming the Americans, and I am one of them. In fact, there is MUCH MUCH more anti-American in Europe than there were anti-Semitism in Germany in 1939.

Most of Americans I meet are ashamed to tell they are Americans. It becomes even funny to listen at them trying to avoid that part where people introduce themselves. There are much more Canadians in the world then Americans fictionally speaking :)
17:46 August 19, 2009 by La Figaro
The so-called developed/western world is filled with hypocrisy & yet accuse China & North Korea of media repression. I thought the press is free in Sweden.

If it is true that some israelis trade in dead palestinans' organs & a swedish newspaper (God bless Sverige) is bold enough to report it, why are the israelis and some others up in arms? Is it because Aftonbladet was bold enough to report one of the atrocities committed by America's 51st state otherwise known as Israel or what?! Please explain it to me like I'm a 5 year old.

In the last major offensive against Hamas, the israelis used white phosphorus. NOTE: White phophorus is banned under the Geneva Convention. Take it up and you are an anti-semitic.

If one of the biggest lies of this century America's war on Iraq is being rebranded as a 'war for instilling democratic principles in Iraq & liberating Iraqi people', this story is surely a drunken tale from a drunk Aftonbladet reporter seeking fame :))
18:03 August 19, 2009 by Kaethar
@mkvgtired: In Sweden one study showed that 26% believe that there is a 'Jewish influence' over the world's economy, and 15% consider that influence to be 'too great.' In another study 5% admit to being anti-semitic. Keep in mind that both studies sampled 3000 and 5000 people respectively. Considering the fact that 9% of Sweden's population are immigrants (born overseas) how does this prove anything? I'd say the hate for Arabs in Israel is higher than the hate for Jews in Sweden (from experience and the studies I've read).

Next, I do think it's great how you judge Swedes by what American expats write. :) And yes, they were arrested for rape, and that's how the news story was obviously reported. This is no proof of anti-semitism (one guy was Brazilian...). This is you finding anti-semitism where it doesn't exist.
18:06 August 19, 2009 by mkvgtired
sebseb, I am not lying about the many different accounts of Antisemitism I have witnessed in Europe. I am not Jewish, but the Jewish people in Europe have a right to be paranoid considering what happened there. Sweden happily helped the Nazis when they were told they only wanted the Jews. I know of the anti-Americanism in Europe. Americans (I am not one of them) do not want to admit they are American because Europeans tend to treat them like dirt. Europeans tend to ignore EU policies and point at America. The EU ignored UN trade restrictions with Iraq, allowing Saddam to continue to cause suffering. They were (are) very buddy-buddy with Iran's dictator masquerading as a "democratically elected" president. They continued supplying Mugabe with higher denominations of currency allowing his government to stay in power. They funded and legitimized PLO terrorist activities by recognizing them as a political organization and contributing funds. The list goes on and on.
18:09 August 19, 2009 by kelvison
hi,if this is true its a real shame to those who are involved in stealing organs from dead palestinians.how they could spend the money they get from doing this kind of things.

just dont forget ,there are alot of good people in israel.

but the israel army is an army with no moral.we have seen it killing many children and women.

i think people of israel should distance them self from army.
18:10 August 19, 2009 by captbob
The NYDailyNews citation mentions nothing about IDF stealing Palestinian organs, and Alex Jones has an "alternative" view of the universe. He believes that H1N1 is a "hoax", that President Clinton sold US land to the United Nations, that Barak Obama is part of a conspiracy to create a One-World government (under the guise of the UN) to secretly control the lives of American. He also consistently posts, unchallenged, the most outrageous claims of Israeli behavior and conveniently neglect to post contradictory validations when they come.

It's one thing to post fiction, as long as it is labeled as such. Aftonbladet's decison to print fiction as news makes me think that there's probably a market for factual news in Sweden.

Maybe "The Local" can seize this business opportunity :-)
18:10 August 19, 2009 by sebseb
Danny B and others,

your arguments are basically: "look, balme the Muslims, look what the Muslims do, blame the Swedes because some backed Germany... etc...

Trop drole! Thats not argument!
18:25 August 19, 2009 by mkvgtired
Kaethar, I was mainly talking about the comments on the article. It immediately went to anti-Israeli comments. It did not matter one was Brazilian, the blind hatred of Israel still came out. Just because some immigrants answered the survey does it make it any less Swedish? The Rabbi Rosenbaum everyone is talking about that was trying to sell kidneys in the US is of Syrian descent. I do not see anyone trying to claim he is not American. All the other Rabbis arrested are from Syria or of Syrian descent, newspapers are not claiming they are not American. When someone immigrates to your country they belong to your country now. If a lot of immigrants in Europe hate Jews than it is a European problem. I would agree "hate for Arabs in Israel is higher than the hate for Jews in Sweden". But what about hate for Jews in the Arab world? What about hate for Christians in the Arab world? The term "dogs and pigs" comes to mind.
18:26 August 19, 2009 by Paddy
Wow! Who would have thought such an innocuous article could rouse so much emotion!?
18:29 August 19, 2009 by svenskdod
@Danny B, Amen brother.....

And maybe the Local should write something about this??? It seems to be the most hotly discussed topic whenever anything is written about Muslims, Israel, and anything in between.

In this matter - however - it seems to me that we are getting off topic a bit. The simple thing here is that Israel needs to complete a formal investigation into this. Then they can deny all they want, even bring slander charges against the newspaper.

The really funny thing here though, is that the Swedish embassy has not yet been burnt down, has it? There have been no burning of Swedish flags in the streets of Tel Aviv, has there? But yet, when Denmark published some cartoons depicting Mohammed as a terrorist this was exactly what we saw in Muslim populated countries.

So, who then appears to be the most violent? The 5.5 million Jews, or the aprox 110 million Muslims surrounding them (directly)?
18:46 August 19, 2009 by Per Johansson52
"Israel's deputy foreign minster Danny Ayalon expressed fury at an article he described as anti-Semitic. "

Do you see if anybody try to condemn the Israeli barbaric treatment of Palestinian. Israelis would call them "Anti-Semitic" or would bring the Hit ler name. Please have a look at former Israeli tell us how they use this method
19:17 August 19, 2009 by DreEstwd
So sick the Jews are Muslims. Do you realize how many of the world's problems would be solved if the Middle East were turned into a giant parking lot??
19:36 August 19, 2009 by Iraniboy

High standard of living? Lol

In Israel, Arabs cannot go to the same school as non-Arab Israelis go. It was even suggested that Israeli Arab citizens should even oath on supporting Israel. Israel's against Arabs is completely racist.

As for IDF, it is beyond racism. There is absolutely no trace of morality in IDF. How many times a Palestinian family has surrundered themselves to Israelis but IDF soldiers have shot them instead of arresting? Do you remember IDF advertising shirts? "ONE SHOT KILL TWO" and showing a pregnant Arab?
20:04 August 19, 2009 by Kaethar
@mkvgtired: Yet you're still rambling on about anti-semitism in Sweden and Europe. This is an international newspaper and people who comment here are either expats living in Sweden or random people from around the world. Anyone can post a comment here.

Yes? People here are considered Swedish if they're raised in Sweden, not if they simply live here for 3 years. If you're a Swedish citizen you are named as Swedish in newspapers, but hardly elsewhere. This is grounded in sociology. Sweden was quite recently an ethnically homogenous state. People will only identify with someone who speaks fluent Swedish. The US and other multicultural-by-definition countries are an exception to nationality sociology. And being of foreign descent is not the same thing as being an immigrant. And since people keep going on about how anti-semitism in Europe is "still alive" this implies views from Middle Eastern immigrants aren't what's being referred to.
20:15 August 19, 2009 by Iraniboy

So my ethnicity (i.e being Persian) describes who I am? Something that happened to me on my birth disqualifies me for my whole life? I think you racists have no logical argument to support your claims about ethnicity and personal qualification.

Although I believe that we're not resposble for what our ancestors have done, I draw your attention to the fact that Persians/Iranians haven't attacked any country for the last 200 years. Beat that!
20:34 August 19, 2009 by svenskdod

.... and if anyone ever condemns Muslims they are labelled racists. Never forget that people die on both sides of a war. The ones that are winning usually get less civilian casualties, and the losers get the sympathy vote. Wonder who the losers are here?

What would you do if you were surrounded by 22 times as many people all wanting to kill you, because it was ordained? The only reason why Muslims want Israel back is because it was one of the territories in Muslim possession and taken back (Spain and the Balkans being the others). It is written in the Qur'an that it is an insult that these territories are not under Islamic control, I have read it. Remember Islam invaded all these countries. Egypt and Syria were Christian before the Islamic invasion.

Hitler also modelled his answer to the Jewish question on the Ottoman (Muslim) Empire's genocide against the people of Armenia, where an entire population was wiped out.
20:43 August 19, 2009 by Torontonian
Breaking News! Millions of missing bodyparts in many local talk-backers are reported today. This is a proof that Israel is harvesting organs. Millions of brains are missed and cannot be found!
20:51 August 19, 2009 by Iraniboy

Nobody should condemn Jews for what's going in Israel-Palestine. It hasn't mentioned in Torah to kill children and woman when they surrender tou you. It hasn't mentioned to bomb schools,one shot kill two,...It is also applicable for Muslims. Muslims shouldn't be condemned for what criminal Muslims do, should they? I think those who generalize and condemn Muslims or Jews without seperating criminals from ordinary people without seperating state from religion, are actually aiming at raising an Anti-semist, Anti-Arab feeling among their people to establish their fascist or "ONE GOOD ONLY" way of life.

I havn't see that part of Quran. You might have seen it in one of these Islamophobic websites. They usualy use two tricks. 1) Quran esplains an even in the past (1400 yrs ago) and they express it as if it is for the moment. 2) They pick one sentence without saying the statments before and after.
20:59 August 19, 2009 by svenskdod

The Qur'an A new Translated version by M.A.S Abdel Haleem
21:17 August 19, 2009 by mkvgtired
Kaethar, The Antisemitic comments I have heard were all from "ethnic" Europeans. Regardless of if it from ethnic Europeans or immigrants any type of racism is a problem that must be dealt with by Europe now that the people are there. That was my point.

Iraniboy, Just because Iran hasn't attacked anyone does not mean they have not contributed to suffering. They have funded terrorist organizations all over the middle east, notably in Israel. They use proxy states to funnel funds and arms to different conflict zones throughout the world. I am not sure you should be ready to give Iran the Nobel Prize anytime soon. Also, look at what is going on within their own borders. They are hanging political dissidents with increased frequency since the last election. Which is worse, starting a war or committing Stalin style political genocide?
21:35 August 19, 2009 by Playmaker
wow 65 comments in 9hrs. does anyone work? well i bet you might find this amazing maybe, coming from me that is, but freedom of speech is a freedom at the highest levels and many backward suppressing countries have laws against such things as even typeing democarcy or using facebook. but you should be able to write what you wish or draw what you wish without violence or death or burning embasy's. so even though i disagree strongly with this article it should be printed without aplogy. that said though sweden refused to show the cartoon of muhammed wish is also free speech. maybe out of fear of what the "peaceful" muslims would do or burn, but that is cowardice the US did the same and it is sad real sad. it seems like a double standard but there are more of "them" then jews so go figure.
21:43 August 19, 2009 by Iraniboy

In this regard, all countries that sold weapon to Israel i.e. UK,...contribute to this suffering. Btw, I'm not responsible for what my government is doing. According to this argument, all Americans should be quiet because they soldiers have kileld millions around world and raped handful of Iraqi girls. "cd9" said that Iraniboy and reputation are oxymoron and also disqualified me for talking because of my ethnicity. That's unacceptable and racist.


Maybe I'm going off topic but can you please tell/PM me which Surah(Chapter) and Ayah(statement) was it?
21:50 August 19, 2009 by mkvgtired
Playmaker, very true. Every Western nation (especially the United States) should have reprinted the cartoons. Most of the American media is very leftist so I am not surprised that they didn't. Regardless of if they disagree with the message or not free speech WAS one of our most closely held ideals. Now with the UK not allowing Geert Wilders entry and the Dutch and French governments prosecuting him I fear Western free speech will be closer to "free speech" in the USSR. You are free to say anything you want, as long as it conforms to party lines. I 100% agree with the newspaper's right to publish the material. Now the readers are allowed to debate the facts in the article.
21:50 August 19, 2009 by Playmaker
the US puts it own in prision esp. if there is rape and murder.
21:55 August 19, 2009 by mo aj
all the world is trying to make israel happy. should newspapers must have to write about jewish halucast always.

if the media wrote this scandle then why they are surprise. we accept that halucast was shame. so this new scandle is shame. they should accept this.
21:59 August 19, 2009 by mkvgtired
Iraniboy, I was not holding you accountable. You claimed how Iran is morally superior to the West because they have not attacked anywhere for 200 years. I was simply stating Iran is not as innocent as you make them seem. Plus, who doesn't hold all Americans accountable for what our government does? As an American who travels abroad I can say almost anywhere I go I am "guilty until proven innocent". Then everyone has to pardon themselves for hanging out with me by saying I am not a "typical American". Most people who use the term have never been here. I met a European here who thought because people were acknowledging him when he walked into shops they wanted to sell him drugs. I cant tell you how many people changed their perceptions of Americans after their visit.
22:00 August 19, 2009 by Iraniboy

Gilbert would be awarded by USSR if it had existed. He is a brand new fascist who believe we all should live in ONE WAY and that blessed way is the way he thinks! What Wilders and his supporters are promoting is exactly against Liberal freedom. It's strage how you can add him and freedom!!


Iranians didn't send him. He himself went. You Israelis and Israel's sympathaziers are champion in lying unfortunately.

If support of Hezbullah didn't exist, Now Lebanon was part of your "Great Israel".

The crackdown on Iranian was a very filthy action that is condemned by many Iranian even inside the government. Now we have to see what comes out of it.
22:09 August 19, 2009 by mkvgtired
I was talking about Wilders' right to freedom of speech. Just like the articles author has a right to publish what he wants. There needs to be a balance. Making speech illegal only drives it underground. So what you are saying is anti-Israel articles/speech/propaganda is ok, but what Wilders says should be illegal?
22:15 August 19, 2009 by bettan1
Well considering their own Race Biological Institute Eugenics history and covert support of the Third Reich and the continued problems and issues with numerous internal Right Wing Nazi groups here, why is this not surprising ???
22:17 August 19, 2009 by Iraniboy
Wilbert is not targeting a country. He is trying to limit and finialy ban a way of life that happens to be practiced by some European citizens.

I didn't say Iranian is suprior. But her wrongdoings are definitely not more than Israel, US,...So why cd9 thinks that an Iranian should speak was a bit strange to me. Besdies, even if it was it doesn't mean and a random person coming from a country is accoutable for everything happens there.

I understand what you mean. We usually prefer to judge people based on where they come from. Typical question. Where are you from? and If it is US, Iran or somewhere in Middle East then that poor guy should clarify that he is not responsible for all that has happened in his country!!
22:33 August 19, 2009 by Per Johansson52
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Internet warfare team unveiled

By Jonathan Cook; July 21, 2009 - Znet


Nazareth. The passionate support for Israel expressed on talkback sections of websites, internet chat forums, blogs, Twitters and Facebook may not be all that it seems.

Israel's foreign ministry is reported to be establishing a special undercover team of paid workers whose job it will be to surf the internet 24 hours a day spreading positive news about Israel.
22:57 August 19, 2009 by Iraniboy
@ Per Johnosson52

That's true. Visit http://giyus.org/

They have currently 40'000 members. Once a website contains something about Israel, they call all members to go there for voting, posting,... BBC Have your say programme has been hijacked this way. They even send mass emails to governers, journalists...
23:29 August 19, 2009 by sebseb
"Our people will not say: 'Hello, I am from the hasbara department of the Israeli foreign ministry and I want to tell you the following.' Nor will they necessarily identify themselves as Israelis," he said. "They will speak as net-surfers and as citizens, and will write responses that will look personal but will be based on a prepared list of messages that the foreign ministry developed."

Rona Kuperboim, a columnist for Ynet, Israel's most popular news website, denounced the initiative, saying it indicated that Israel had become a "thought-police state".

She added that "good PR cannot make the reality in the occupied territories prettier. Children are being killed, homes are being bombed, and families are starved."
23:34 August 19, 2009 by Iraniboy

Poor Swedish Prime Minister. Apparently he will find more than 40'000 emails in his Mailbox tomorrow morning :D
00:31 August 20, 2009 by JaguarOgat
I am so disappointed in Sweden. I've been on this site a week and I'm seeing such endemic anti-Semitism. Will Europe never learn?

Sebseb, if you are typical - I'm done with Sweden. You're a revolting individual.
00:45 August 20, 2009 by bioffe
@sebseb You are mad. Even in Sweden, the majority is by far not ill-minded as you are trying to convince us. @iraniboy My observation is that muslims are normally very aggressive and intolerant. I've witnesses that first hand in US, Russia, and China. Never been to Israel, but I presume such demeanor extends worldwide. I understand that this is a generalization, but numbers is a very stubborn thing. Most criminals here in US practice ISLAM. I don't know jews or swedes who blew themselves in pizzerias, piloted planes into building, use their kids as shields. The truth is ISLAM is a religion of obedience. That gives an opportunity for mullahs(in your case ayatollahs) to puppet people. It is very easy to manipulate angry and illiterate mob. That is why women are being punished for attending school in many Muslim countries . I can go forever. You are proficient in English, do yourself a favor-0-educate yourself on the subject what islam really is.
00:47 August 20, 2009 by Iraniboy
How exactly witnessing a crime commited by IDF can be classified as anti-semism?
01:18 August 20, 2009 by kelvison
hi dear c9dw2rm8

im not surprised that you are supporting every thing about israel.you are entitled to say whatever you want.i have never been to israel but what i have seen is many american,and europian tv programs and news.you mean all they say and show and write is lie. you mean they are killing people and telling to the world israel is killing them!!??

when i say israel s army has no moral,accept it mate in your own world and dont attack to people of europe,without europian support israel will disapear like a melting ice,how ever i personaly dont want this to happen. it doesnt mean that im supporting palestinian militia,they are imoral too.just think how many countries have been created during last 60/70 years.who ever was behind the creation of israel has nt/hav nt chosen the best way,thats why after nearly 60 years istill people are getting killed in both parts.if israel has acted on its own from the first now we had a isreal without any problems.
01:28 August 20, 2009 by SandViper
Just Leave the Israelis alone, they have suffered enough. start worrying about scores of Terrorists ,who might show up with in a few years in your own localities. Sorry .......they are already here, from years of accepting the so called war refugees.
01:36 August 20, 2009 by c9dw2rm8

"i have seen is many american,and europian tv programs and news.you mean all they say and show and write is lie. you mean they are killing people and telling to the world israel is killing them!!??"

i don't see any problem with Killing a terrorists - and if they are using thier own family as human shields it's their own problems ..
01:39 August 20, 2009 by SandViper
. Israel Can stand on its own of course with the Big brother U.S watchful eye. Israel is making some good friends too just like India. If there were to be a D day for Israel from So called ''pure ones''. i am 100% sure India would take Israel's side as we both battlecommon enemy. i am not sure about U.S in the near future with its ever changing foreign policies, and foxy nature.
01:42 August 20, 2009 by kelvison
if you call people idiot so you are.

you must go to the united nations site about israels crimes during last 60 years.

united nations mean :all the countries in the world. so are all this countries are wrong and now you have become a genius and calling me and europians pile of cowards and idiots.

you know what the problem is this, the creators of israel chose a wrong way from the begining.they should have acted on their own without any support from out side. a good revolution always happens from inside not from outside. so the same goes to palestinians.we are getting a way from the main topic,selling the organs of dead palestinians which is so wrong if its true.hope there will be peace in israel and palestine soon. an everlasting peace.
01:50 August 20, 2009 by SandViper
In fact Israel is doing a good job of shooting down terrorists. Apart from that helping in saving lives of people who are in need of organ transplant. kill the terrorists--- recover the usable organs---help save good peoples lives. terrorists can have their souls rest in peace. At least their organs are saving some lives.
02:14 August 20, 2009 by AR Studio
Let it rain fire, and rid the universe of the human disease... 14 billion years of research and development of our species, and that's what you have to offer SandViper.? Your statements make me embarrassed to be a human being. I sure hope the universe is having better luck on some other planet. Actually people on both sides of the argument are ridiculous. Reading a few articles, then assuming your extrapolation of a complex event as the Jewish Palestine issue is the correct one. Oh and how sure some of you sound too.

Only madmen are absolutely sure.
02:30 August 20, 2009 by AussieGurl
i seriously wouldn't be surprised if this is true!

if they are fine with killing innocent children walking down the street why wouldnt they be capable of this too. so typical of them to deny everything.
02:40 August 20, 2009 by callsignxray12@yahoo.com
Israel got caught red-handed. The Editor in Chief was right about the corrupt/illegal/unethical organ racket problem in Israel. Their own Knesset acknowledged the problem. Not having a law against is functionally the same as encouraging it.

source: http://www.knesset.gov.il/library/eng/docs/sif032_eng.htm#fn3

As a member of a very small minority group, I hate it when Israel cries racism or anti-Semitism in response to the state of Israel being criticized by a person, organization, or country for its infractions (i.e., unlawful killing of hundreds of Palestinians lately). Just because you belong to a race or group that doesn't give you the right to drop the 'anti-Semitism bomb' during criticism esp. if the criticism does not fit any reasonable definition of anti-Semitism. It would be like me screaming racism after I unlawfully killed someone. Israeli government keeps losing more and more of my respect every year. I hope for its sake the organ harvesting allegations aren't true.
07:07 August 20, 2009 by Zonob
The allegations are 100% true. Why some of you are even surprised? Look at what have done a few months in Gaza. How many innocent children and women have they murdered in cold blood.
08:51 August 20, 2009 by Iraniboy
SandViper made it clear for all us.

"Apart from that helping in saving lives of people who are in need of organ transplant. kill the terrorists--- recover the usable organs---help save good peoples lives."

@Danny B

Jews have been victim of racism and fascism 60 year ago. But does it give them any eligibility to do the same thing to others? Why don't you focus on the fact that this guy has witnessed these bodies with his own eyes? You're just repeating your old things without mentioning the real story.

@Typical Whitey

Last time I checked Sweden hasn't forced million of people to leave their homes. Sweden doesn't attack UN protected schools. Sweden doesn't kill the whole members of a family let alone when they surrunder! I think the difference is clear or shall I draw a picture?
11:05 August 20, 2009 by Mort
what a debate


when you say bla bla bla i guess it means you don't have any good reply, so you try to diminish the comment.


yep, people, even women and children are getting killed, it is sad and bad.

now i know you won't take my word for it but IDF Does not see them and decide let's shoot them just for fun.

and if such case happens usually the person in charge is prosecuted. but on general there is alot of effort not to kill innocents.

but if hamas is shooting rockets from populated area, well you can't expect it gives them a free pass, right?

last thing, there is no doubt in your heart that israel shoot on purpose on UN facilities, but if i tell you hamas shot rockets deliberately near UN facilties you'll call me a liar. why is that? because hamas will not do such thing? he doesn't shoot it's own people in gaza?
11:08 August 20, 2009 by Danger_Mouse
The people who are blindly supporting Israel, I tell:

You have the right to support any side in the life but you should be logical and fair.

Firstly; You always mention the Holocaust as an argument justifying the crimes that Israel is doing now in the middle east, I tell you that the Israeli crimes there will make the ppl around the world getting sick of listening to what the Jews had in Europe. Furthermore, NOT the Europeans who killed the Jews, it was a regime who is hated and condemned by all the Europeans.

Secondly; (comes later)
11:14 August 20, 2009 by Mort
about this harvesting article.

first, though there are some rabbies accused in the US in these crimes it doesn't means automatically that israel is harvesting organs. i bet i can find Swedish criminals, it doesn't mean your country encourage them to do it.

second, the reporter has no proof, he says he saw a body with stitches, but from the article it implies it's a known fact that israel kills palestinians for organs.

if i say someone in Sweden told me that the government kill Finnish children for organs does that means we have to have a UN investigation? i think i'll have to produce some proof before that.

but it doesn't matter, cause if everyone knows that israelies are cruel, so we can publish anything about them regardless any evidance
11:19 August 20, 2009 by Danger_Mouse
Secondly; You are talking about the "terrorists" who are bombing themselves in Israel, I tell you that Israeli persecuting has created them. They lost their families, land, and future because of the Israeli occupation and crimes, they have no army to fight your (USA-armed) army, they are frustrated and have no weapons to fight but just their bodies. Moreover, they are not terrorists they are resistors according to the International Law of Self-defense and the right to resist the occupation. And please don't compare with the terrorists who bombed in USA because there is no comparisons, the Palestinians are fighting the occupation on their land at least nowadays.

Lastly, No comparison between the Palestinian simple-made rockets and the American-made rockets and jets equipped in the Israeli army. No comparison between the casualties as well. So do not kill and cry at the same time.
11:23 August 20, 2009 by Mort

sorry to burst your bubble but this regime was not "hated and comdemned by all europeans"

some Europeans countries fought by its side. some countries just sat aside and watched.

second, i don't know if your ever lived in an area that get shot on by rockets, even simple ones, just 3 - 10 rockets a day for 8 years, i guess not

try it, then tell me you can't compare between rockets.
11:30 August 20, 2009 by Danger_Mouse
but why these rockets are launched?? ask your Israeli army what they are doing there. They arrest, kill, steal the land, and build illegal settlements on land that does not belong to them. Any country in the world has the right to reply for any aggression against its people and land. Is that right or not? The Palestinians are millions of times weaker than the Israeli army from military point of view. So they can not shoot without reason, and the reason that every day the Israeli army enters to Gaza territories by their tanks and in this case I guess they have the right to answer.
11:48 August 20, 2009 by Mort
ok i'll make it short, cause for some reason the system think i curse or something, weird and it deleted a long and very informative reply of mine

1. i don't know where you get your facts that israel enters gaza everyday. it hardly happens.

2. israel withdrawn form gaza in a painful act, why keep firing? and why can't i see same gestures from the Palestinian side?

3. about kill and steal. every side has its point of view of what happened here before 1948.

there are 2 facts:

1. the UN divided the area to 2 countries.

2. israel was attacked from all sides by 7 Arabs armies and the local arabs, the Palestinians.

now you can't start a war, lose and then cry they stole my land when your intention was to destroy the country you attacked
11:56 August 20, 2009 by Mort

i'm glad you think that i'm trying to make a case in discussing the article.

but you haven't answered my questions, is this article, which is based on rumors and hearsay is a corner stone for a full UN investigation?

and does such allegations should be brought to press without any evidance?

there is a phrase in hebrew which says (i hope it won't be lost in translation):

some guy tell his friend

"hey, i saw your sister yesterday in the public park giving head to some stranger"

now start proving that you don't have a sister.
11:59 August 20, 2009 by SamZ
Iraniboy"Why don't you focus on the fact that this guy has witnessed these bodies with his own eyes?" AND? he tore the stitches apart and witnessed all the organs are missing? WOW, and it took him, what 19 years to open his filthy mouth and say something? now if it was another journalist claiming that the Arabs/Moslems of an Arab country did something similar, the entire talk backers on this site would be screaming that the journalist is a biased Zionist?? I guess that the sebsebs, johanssens52, kelvisons and all these Jewish bashers who get paid for spreading and exaggerating the lies, all saw the bodies of thousands palis with no organs?? LOL Agha pesar, khejalat bekesh. With Iranians like you, I am ashamed to say I am an Iranian. Peace
12:05 August 20, 2009 by Danger_Mouse
@mort and Danny B:

what happened in 1948 is a big deal. The British army gave Palestine which was a British colony to the "Jews" to make a country for them after what happened in the WW2. But How someone can give something which does not belong to him/her to someone else? Until now this question has not been answered. And that time the English army left their weapons to the Zionists (I will not even call them jews because many jews feel ashamed of Zionism) while "the 7 armies" were under British and French occupation so they were not independent yet to fight.

Yes they left Gaza BUT they did not leave the west bank which is palestinian land occupied in 1967 and what I said earlier is going on there but the Palestinian authority in the west bank are know as agents for the occupation thats why they have their own fancy life there and don't care about there ppl

Training field? yes they are , where is the shame in this? every country has training field. do not you have them?
12:12 August 20, 2009 by Mort

i really don't think that many jews feel ashamed to be call a Zionist.

there were jews who lived in the land prior to the mass that after WW2.

even to arabs who lived here were immigrants from other arab countries.

there we never a country in this area in recent times (unless you consider the israel and judea of the biblical time recent times).

the land was passed over by the british, turks and whoever got a hand on it.

so there wasn't any country in the ares, certainly wasn't a palstinian country.

so the brits was the closest thing to ruling authority. and even them didn't give it to jews, the UN did.
12:27 August 20, 2009 by Danger_Mouse

Oh really!!! it was no people there before 1948? what about the millions who live until now in the camps in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, the west bank, Gaza, and all the world? they came from the moon?? the majority of these people still have the keys of their houses. I was a volunteer with the red cross to one of the Palestinians camps in Lebanon and I saw all what I tell. The Palestinians had their own culture and history. How do you say that it was empty? and I do not agree with you about who ruled the land before the English. The Muslim caliphates was ruling for hundreds of years (the Turks were leading the caliphates at the end). I heard from some Jews in a peace organization there in Lebanon that the Jews, Christians and Muslims lived there in peace for hundreds of years.
12:37 August 20, 2009 by Mort

i guess you didn't read my comment

"there were jews who lived in the land prior to the mass that after WW2.

even to arabs who lived here were immigrants from other arab countries."

please point me to the place i said the land was empty or no Palestinian lived here.

you just hear what you want to hear.

and before the caliphates the crusaders were here, if you want to go down this road, until in the end you'll find this land was israel and judea in biblical times.

so that means it belongs to the jews no?

just acknowledge that there were no palastinian country so nobody stole the land.

there were jews and palastinians here, so the UN divided the area to 2 countries for each.

they attacked israel and lost. you can't have the cake and eat it too ( i hope i got the phrase right)


no it wasn't about your sister.

but basically it means if someone saying something, even if its a lie, you can't put it back and people believe in it
12:47 August 20, 2009 by Danger_Mouse
You said the Arabs who were there were immigrants from other arab countries. this means that it was empty of the Palestinians. You deny their nationality, by the way the old refugees there have also old Palestinian passports , ID's and Palestinian currency, and if you go through the UN decision in 1948 it is stated to divide PALESTINE (of course through the British mandate). So it was named and identified as PALESTINE.

I did not want to go through to the history, what we are interested in is the close history I mean the period of this conflict, what is the reason for this situation I do not care about the period of crusaders I mentions the caliphates because the British got the land from them and then the story started.
13:20 August 20, 2009 by Joshua M
AFTONBLADET HAS made sweeping allegations that are easy to take apart.

AFTONBLADET ACCUSED the Israel Defence Forces of systematically murdering Palestinians for the sake of harvesting their organs, with the help of American Rabbis.

THESE ARE huge allegations. Israel has a mandatory military draft (with some exemptions), so the IDF consists mostly of regular, young Israelis from all walks of life. Israel is also a democracy, where people would have the freedom to speak out about this sort of thing. Therefore, Aftonbladet is implicating Israeli society as a whole. In addition to this, Aftonbladet is also linking American Jews to this alleged conspiracy. Basically, Aftonbladet is claiming that there is a huge, Jewish, conspiracy to steal organs from, and murder, innocent people.

For accusations like this, Aftonbladet had better have strong proof, but it doesn't. Cont....

13:30 August 20, 2009 by Mort
i don't know if you saw all of my recent post (cause i can't see it) so here is the rest:

there were jews and palastinians here, so the UN divided the area to 2 countries for each.

they attacked israel and lost. you can't have the cake and eat it too ( i hope i got the phrase right)


no it wasn't about your sister.

but basically it means if someone saying something, even if its a lie, you can't put it back and people believe in it
13:35 August 20, 2009 by Joshua M

SWEEPING ACCUSATIONS like Aftonbladet's should never be made without strong proof, but Aftonbladet does not seem to have any. Aftonbladet's argument is based hearsay, on interviews with Palestinians alone. The problem with that is that Aftonbladet's subjects have strong motivation to lie, they each receive thousands of dollars in foreign aid each year and claims of victimisation could increase this amount. In addition, since we are dealing with a conflict here, it would not be hard to find people willing to lie to demonise the other side. A real reporter would check the facts.

GIVE ME a day as a "reporter" among Sweden's immigrant population and I could easily get some of them to make awful accusations against Sweden and Swedes, since some would believe such claims of victimisation might benefit them. Cont….

13:38 August 20, 2009 by Mort

yep, they were immigrants, and some of them were sons of immigrants who lived in the are for alot of years, so they were palatsinians, i don't deny it.

but again, you hear what you want to hear.

so by your point of view, the division of the land by the UN was wrong, and the war the arab countries and palastinian wage on israel was actually justified?

and the palastinian has nothing to do with their current state, is that right?

or by your opinion their greatest mistake was that they didn't win in the war of 1948?
13:53 August 20, 2009 by Danger_Mouse
Yes the UN division was wrong because they brought people from all the world to the others land. The solution is to go back to the origin before 1948. By the way, where are you from? Russia, Poland, Ukraine, or where exactly? go back to your country and let the refugees go back to their houses. BUT unfortunately it is hard to do so right now, so at least give the Palestinians the right to exist.

One more thing, losing a land by war does not legalize the occupation. This is from the international law that Israel always ignore.

No the greatest mistake WAS to establish Israel on the others land and on the basis of religion, Israel is a Jewish state and this is not Logical, there are Christians and Muslims there too. It is wrong to establish states or start wars in the basis of religion this is very dangerous.
14:05 August 20, 2009 by potato man
What's the big deal. The Arab was dead already, a Gentile got a new kidney and a Jew made a profit on the side. Mazel tov!
14:08 August 20, 2009 by Joshua M

AFTONBLADET'S OTHER piece of evidence, the US Rabbi who was recently arrested for trying to sell a kidney (and admitted to being involved in many other organ sales), isn't evidence either. There has been no link made between the Rabbi's organ sales and Israel, and he didn't get them from Palestinians, he conned desperate people into selling their organs to him. To link him to the IDF without the slightest bit of proof isn't journalism, its lazy conspiracy theory at its worst.

AFTONBLADET'S ARTICLE only proves that it is frighteningly eager to believe unsubstantiated stories that attack Israel and Jews. These accusations are classic anti-Semitism the way they are written, without proof, and by smearing a vast number of Jews with the same brush, and I hope Swedes are wise enough to recognise the danger of that. After all, the accusations may be against Jews now, but if this sort of thing is allowed then any person or group, including Swedes, could be the next target.
14:11 August 20, 2009 by Mort
it is always nice to hear that your country is a mistake but so be it.

i don't have the power to enter a debate about the foundation of israel, since i don't think i have to defend it, though i do feel that no matter where israel were to be established in the world, you wouldn't be happy.

as for staying in Europe after ww2, well what can i say, we didn't feel welcomed.

as for my origin, yep they come from Poland and Romanian. my wife origin are actually from Yemen and Iraq (which her family was chased out from as so many other jews) for some reason they don't hold keys to their homes abroad.

as for the palastinians right to exist, you'll be surprised to see the moment they'll lay down their guns and suicide bombs their life we'll improve drastically
14:21 August 20, 2009 by Joshua M

AFTONBLADET'S ARTICLE only proves that it is frighteningly eager to believe unsubstantiated stories that attack Israel and Jews. These accusations are classic anti-Semitism the way they are written, without proof, and by smearing a vast number of Jews with the same brush, and I hope Swedes are wise enough to recognise the danger of that. After all, the accusations may be against Jews now, but if this sort of thing is allowed then any person or group, including Swedes, could be the next target.
14:27 August 20, 2009 by Mort
@Joshua M

thanks for being so articulate, you manage to express exactly what i feel and all the stuff that are wrong about this article.

and for those of you who scream freedom of the press, read Joshua M posts,

there's nothing in it which says you can't criticize israel or pass judgment, only a very good explanation why this specific article reeks of hatred.
14:50 August 20, 2009 by Iraniboy
Joshua, Mort, Cd9,...

Many posters have just newly joined to post here about this article thanks to http://giyus.org/ and their sorts!! This forum is meant to be English speaking residents of Sweden that included both citizen and non citizen who understand English. What are you doing here?
14:53 August 20, 2009 by Mort

i'm sorry that my presence here bothers you so much.

is it so hard to hear the opinion of the other side?
14:54 August 20, 2009 by Torontonian
This piece of "journalism" is nothing more than rubbish with the pure intention of inciting hate against Israel as well as Jews in general. We all know that Jews will not march in the streets of Stockholm and burn flags and riot. What an easy target!

Nothing is new under the sun. Aftonbladet now, Der Stürmer then. Freedom of speech?.... At the end of the day freedom of speech is measured not by rules and laws. But by the ENVIRONMENT that would allow something to be written. So it is okay to write hate articles about Israelis and Jews. Now, the test is Mohammad cartoons.

Any takers?
15:10 August 20, 2009 by Danger_Mouse
@ Torontonian:

No body hates the Jews here. ok? then no comparison between this article and the cartoons which were drawn by a danish journal some years ago.

There it was ironic cartoons for one person who is a prophet for more than 1 billion muslim in the world the same as Moses and Joseph. But here it is just an article with proofs (whatever the proofs are approved yet or not ... we are waiting) about something has been done by an army of one state.

So the cartoons story has nothing related to the freedom of speech it was insulting to a person who is a high symbol for 1 billion persons. Insulting and hurting is not accepted in freedom of speech. And here the article has not insulted anyone.

So please be logical and do not let your anger mix the things in your mind.
15:21 August 20, 2009 by Mort

"But here it is just an article with proofs (whatever the proofs are approved yet or not ... we are waiting)"

first problem, you call them proofs, hearsay is not a proof.

second, if you call them proofs it means you already made your mind.

third, about waiting to see if it approve or not, if i say that you killed someone, do you have to bring me proof that you didn't? meanwhile everybody will go next to you thinking you might be a murderer?

insulting 1 billion people is wrong cause they are a lot of people

but insulting 6 - 8 million is ok, cause they are not enough to set the whole world on fire?

this article is insulting cause it implies that israel and jews around the world are involved in murder and stealing organs conspiracy
15:38 August 20, 2009 by Danger_Mouse

I said we are waiting, I meant we are waiting to see if these proves are right or not, since this is a CRIME ,and this should be done by many sides such as human rights and the red cross, because until now it is an effort made by journalists.

And again I say to you NO BODY HAS INSULTED THE JEWS ... FOR GOD SAKE .. WHERE IS THE PHRASE THAT STATES SO?? ...if any one says something that the Israelis do not agree with then directly you say he hates the Jews. Israel is a country that MIGHT be criticized by press as any country in the world. So WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?!! Your army are not prophets or gods not to be blamed.

You have mentioned:

"this article is insulting cause it implies that israel and jews around the world are involved in murder and stealing organs conspiracy". This is what you think and this is your own conclusion, because the article do not state that directly.
15:44 August 20, 2009 by Mort
i feel i haven't made myself clear

jews capable of crimes, much like muslims, americans, swedes and everyone else.

but the article implies that there is a world wide conspiracy involving the entire state of israel and all the jews around the world, without any proof

that's what make it wrong.

yes the article didn't say it out loud, it just imply it out loud. you know there are different ways to send a message without spelling it to the readers right?

much like the Muhammad cartoons DON'T SAY that all muslims are terrorists, its just implies it. and that also makes it wrong.

and this article doesn't criticize israel, criticize is fine. it blaming israel without and proof with a very big crime
16:03 August 20, 2009 by Danger_Mouse
No in the case of the cartoons, the drawings were so ugly and insulting the prophet of the muslims directly NOT IMPLYING ... there were pictures. He was drawn as an ugly man with bomb on his head which is unacceptable.

Listen, if any journalist draw Jesus in that way in a known journal and his government supported it (I mean supported the insulting and hurting) then I will criticize that country , and you too I will be with you against any government that says insulting words or cartoons about Moses or any holy symbol of yours, because it is unacceptable to insult millions in their symbols.

Insulting can come from individuals because at the end it is an opinion but when it comes from governments of independent states then it is shame.

You see from your point of view that this article is blaming rather than criticizing, this is your perspective.
16:13 August 20, 2009 by Mort

"You see from your point of view that this article is blaming rather than criticizing, this is your perspective."

from my opinion you can criticize actions or words or policy, meaning that you can criticize something that happened.

that is why this article is blaming israel and not criticizing.

it is criticism only if those accusations actually happened, but there isn't any proof, just rumors and hearsay.

well i'm signing off

none of your arguments convinced me and i dare say none of mine convinced you.

i'll check if you've got something to add to this duscussion

have a good day
16:26 August 20, 2009 by Danger_Mouse
The task of journalism is to investigate, to spotlight on some actions and to give the responsible authorized organizations or sides to start a thorough check of whether what was mentioned in the press was right or not, this in case of crimes.

Regarding crimes like this one; press is not police, but their duty is to spotlight around. The freedom of speech has limits too, and the limit is described in the law, the international and the local one.

Have a nice day too
16:30 August 20, 2009 by mkvgtired
kelvison, what is this "European support" of Israel you speak of? I have never seen a positive news article in a European newspaper on Israel. I have never heard a pro-Israel view on the Continent. The only politician that is pro-Israel is Geert Wilders. On the other hand there have been MANY agreements with the Arab League through the Euro-Arab Dialogue and the Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation stating they will integrate Arab culture in government, media and education. A more recent agreement is the Barcelona Process. Previously the Arab League stated they could not offer energy commitments unless Europe was aligned "culturally and politically" with Arab League interests. Europe has turned its back on Israel long ago in return for energy commitments and easing regulations in Arab markets. It works against Israel by funding the PLO, Syria and many anti-Israel NGOs, just to name a few.
17:25 August 20, 2009 by mkvgtired
All of the "evidence" people are posting here is pointing to poor Israelis willfully selling a kidney for $25,000, NOT the IDF stealing them. That is what the Rabbi in the US was selling. That is what all the linked "evidence" is showing.

Danger_Mouse, Western media ALWAYS on depicts Jesus in a negative manner. He is a regular Character on South Park (not the most pro-God show I have ever seen). He is shown in VERY offensive scenes in other cartoons such as Drawn Together and Family Guy. Many Europeans refer to him as an imaginary character. I just saw an episode of Drawn Together where Jesus himself used a racial slur against Jews. Where are the Christians and Jews burning the cities to the ground? Christians are a 1 billion+ group and those cartoons mentioned above are shown to a much larger audience than little Denmark.
17:34 August 20, 2009 by xky
danger mouse is a muslin, lal.....
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