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AFP/The Local · 23 Aug 2009, 16:32

Published: 23 Aug 2009 16:32 GMT+02:00

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"We are not asking the Swedish government for an apology, we are asking for their condemnation," a senior official quoted Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as telling ministers during a weekly cabinet meeting.

Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz of Netanyahu's rightwing Likud party said "the crisis will continue as long as the Swedish government doesn't change its attitude toward this anti-Semitic article. Those who do not condemn it are not welcome in Israel."

The comments came two weeks before Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt was to visit Israel, with Stockholm currently holding the rotating EU presidency.

"There is no question of canceling or delaying this visit, but it is clear that this incident will cast a worrying shadow over meetings if it is not resolved," Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said.

Sweden's Aftonbladet newspaper sparked the row last week when it published a report claiming Israeli soldiers snatched Palestinian youths to steal their organs and returned their dismembered bodies a few days later.

The Swedish government has declined to condemn the piece, saying it has to respect the principle of freedom of expression enshrined in its constitution.

The article has sparked outrage in Israel, with Netanyahu and scores of ministers and commentators calling it a "blood libel" smacking of anti-Semitic accusations against Jews.

"The Swedish government cannot keep silent any longer. In the Middle Ages, slander was spread accusing Jews of preparing Passover matza (unleavened bread) with the blood of Christian children," Steinitz said.

"And today it is IDF (Israel Defence Forces) soldiers who are accused of killing Palestinians to take their organs," he said.

The head of the Israeli Government Press Office, Daniel Seaman, said on Sunday he would not give accreditation to two of the newspaper's reporters.

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"We are not obliged to accredit them. It will take time. We have to conduct verifications, maybe to examine their blood type to know whether they can be organ donors," Seaman, known for controversial statements, told army radio.

Elisabet Borsiin Bonnier, the Swedish ambassador to Israel, had initially expressed outrage at the article, but Stockholm distanced itself from her remarks several days later, drawing a stinging response from Israeli officials.

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16:28 August 23, 2009 by Iraniboy
The punchline is that this guy Benjamin Netanyahu and Lieberman are open racists and have made many racist comments about Arabs.

If IDF use solpherous bombs to harm Palestinians skins, cluster bombs to kill more people, and attack a school and kill many childrend who where protected by UN, why is it so hard to accept that they don't kill for stealing organs? I don't say this story is true. I just say it is not really an ironic thing for IDF. So instead of complaining about the story, try to investigate it!
16:46 August 23, 2009 by Querist
""We are not asking the Swedish government for an apology, we are asking for their condemnation," a senior official quoted Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as telling ministers during a weekly cabinet meeting.'

*PM Netanayahu needs to button his lip.*

The Israeli Shas Party is part of Netanyahu's Ruling-Coalition.

"Government sources believe that one of the aftereffects of the massive money-laundering and illegal organ trading case that broke this week will be a sharp decline in donations to Israeli yeshivas, particularly those linked with the ultra-Orthodox party Shas and its spiritual leader, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef."



16:51 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz of Netanyahu's rightwing Likud party said "the crisis will continue as long as the Swedish government doesn't change its attitude toward this anti-Semitic article. Those who do not condemn it are not welcome in Israel."

That's right , condemn it or don't bother to come to Israel , you anti-semitic Foreign Minister.
17:08 August 23, 2009 by mysticbumwipe
Israel authorities need to confirm or deny the following before any condemnation of the article:

1. The Israeli Minister of Health, Nessim Dahhan, admitting to the practice in an answer to Arab member of the Knesset, Ahmed Teibi.

Dahhan said that he couldn't deny that organs of Palestinian youths and children killed by the Israeli forces were taken out for transplants or scientific research. Ahmed Teibi's claim he has received credible evidence proving that Israeli doctors at the forensic institute extracted such vital organs as the heart, kidneys,and liver from the bodies of Palestinian youths and children killed by the Israeli Army in Gaza and the West Bank.

2. The killing of three Palestinian boys, ages 14-15 near Khan Younison on December 30, 2001, and the return of bodies of the three boys to the Palestinians for burial on January 6 2002 with the main vital organs were missing from the bodies.

3. The local Tel Aviv paper Ha'ir ran a 12-page expose of Abu Kabir and revealed how the national lab allows medical students to practice on bodies sent there for autopsies, and transfers body parts for transplants without permission from the family of the deceased.

4. The family of a Scottish tourist Alastair Sinclair, who allegedly hung himself in an Israeli jail, who were forced to bring a lawsuit for the return of missing body parts. University of Glasgow pathologists, who did an autopsy at the request of Sinclair's family, found that it had been returned without a heart (which they suspect was used for a transplant).

October 17, 2000


5. "Prof. Yehuda Hiss, the director of the Institute of Forensic Medicine at Abu Kabir was under police investigation in 2002 for removing organs from deceased persons without familial consent. He was dismissed by the Health Ministry for a while until Hiss agreed to a plea bargain. He admitted to being involved in the removal of body parts from 125 bodies and was reprimanded for this.

The stories about Palestinian Intifada dead arriving home with organs removed began soon after the outbreak of the Intifada in 1987. Palestinian pathologist Dr Hatem Abu Ghazaleh said there were many credible reports about this."


6.the case witnessed by the Aftonbladet newreporter of the death and autopsy of Bilal in 1992
17:13 August 23, 2009 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Is there still a1000 character limit on what can be said at any one time?

I ask because I want to reply to Iranboy fully ( freedom of speech not hets mot folkgrupp
17:15 August 23, 2009 by Israeli Guy
I'm an Israeli who was appalled and outraged by the Aftonbladet story - and especially, by the Swedish government's (non) reaction to it.

This is not a question of freedom of speech.

Nobody in Israel is expecting the Swedish government to take any sanctions against the paper.

They can publish whatever they see fit.

It's a question about Swedish values.

Does the Swedish government, the elected representative of the Swedish people, agree with a libel like this or does it condemn it?

Remaining silent on the sidelines is not an option in such a case of national slander against Israel.

How would the Swedish public react if Israeli newspapers will accuse the Swedish leader of being a pedophile or a Neo-Nazi - with no credible facts whatsoever to base on?

What would you say if we'll tell you in response to your outrage that "it's part of freedom of speech" and we will not condemn the paper for spreading baseless lies against your elected official?

Will you accept it?

Are these the journalistic values that Sweden wishes to promote?

Can you publish such stories when you have ZERO verifiable facts, ZERO evidence or ZERO hardcore information?

And why did the Swedish government close a website that published an anti-Muslim cartoon, some time ago?

We thought you care about freedom of speech…

That's so weird… Isn't it?

Some would even argue… hypocritical.

Shame on you, Sweden's government.

Shame on you, Foreign Minister Bildt.
17:29 August 23, 2009 by Leprehcaun
@ Idiot.. no wait I misread, I meant @ Israeli guy

Freedom of speech means.. well.. freedom of speech. I understand that "freedom" can be misunderstood. In this case it is freedom of speech in a sense that the government can't restrict what you want to say. Ppl got fired because of how they handled the cartoon thingie and they have learned to remember what the law means since then but it does look hypocritical. Oh and the article wasn't baseless.

"How would the Swedish ..."

There would be no reaction; we're not like you. At all. Some Turks made a "documentary" about Sweden some time ago. That was all lies and could easily be proven wrong by any primary school pupil. This article however can't be. Oh and that was FAR worse than this ridiculous thing and there was no reaction from the public. Btw, the Americans published articles like this one about a week before us.

IF this isn't true they made a mistake. I am amazed that you're not screaming about the holocaust and anti-semitic-ism like your drama queen to ambassador does.
17:31 August 23, 2009 by travels
Welcome to Sweden, part of EURABIA, Europe's well deserved karma after WW2. Time will show, it's already well on its way and irreversible, just give it a few more decades and it will be complete. The naive, self righteous Europeans are being conquered without even a fight and by their own doing.
17:33 August 23, 2009 by mobings
" Oh children of Israel"....... countdown has begun . Prophecy seems evident.
17:38 August 23, 2009 by Leprehcaun
@ Bladeskaterroo

Are you for real? :lol:

I want to correct you but.. is it at all necessary? Do you believe in what you've written? Seriously? If you do I have to say, yes we have let many bad immigrants into our country but we haven't, at least, taken in you. Now that would be unforgivably stupid of us.
17:47 August 23, 2009 by Israeli Guy
Leprehcaun, I know exactly what freedom of speech means.

Please don't condescend me, since we have freedom of speech is Israel just like you guys do in Sweden, and we use this basic right day and night.

True, the government can't restrict what you want to say, but it can condemn you for spreading lies and that's what Israel is asking for.

If it was the other way around, I would expect the Israeli government to publish a strong condemnation to any Israeli newspaper that spread horrible lies about Sweden.

That's a natural thing.

Nobody wants to see 100% untrue stories being published about their country: not Israelis and not Swedish people.

As for your amazement that I'm not screaming about the holocaust and anti-semitic-ism, I don't feel the need to do that.

Facts are on my side:

- The story was 100% false and the paper didn't provide a single verifiable fact that can support it's validity.

- The Swedish government didn't condemn the paper for the slanderous story, a basic thing that any decent government, anywhere - would do.

As long as these are the two basic facts, it's obvious that Israel is right to be outraged and for demanding the Swedish government to condemn the paper.

It's as simple as that.

...And by the way, using words like "idiot" don't make your case stronger or your arguments more powerful.
17:55 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide
@Israeli Guy

"The story was 100% false and the paper didn't provide a single verifiable fact that can support it's validity"

How have you made that 100% percentage? wow so great to express the opinion with numbers especially when it lacks logic. Even in scientific research the scientists can not reach such percentage.

And who told you that the reporter had no evidence? I guess you have not read the article yet.
17:56 August 23, 2009 by travels
History _Guide....What an ironic handle for a Holocaust denier and proponent of historical revisionism.. ("lets say hundreds of thousands of Jews - died- , I do not think they were more"). It's good that tons of pictures were taken and that history documented it very well, otherwise idiots like you would be denying any Jews even died. Why don't you tell us the story of how back then Hitler, with open arms and like mind, welcomed the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammad Amin al Husayni, Yasser Arafat´s mentor, all of them rabid anti-Jews, seemingly kind of like you.

Also, further to your comments, the Russians never forget how many of them died, go to Russia and you'll see. Each people remember their dead and know about all others that died in the same tragic time, except that to many not many Jews died, according to people like you almost nothing happened to the Jews, that is partly why they need to keep reminding about it.
18:01 August 23, 2009 by bongo8
Why not both sides return their ambassadors no need for a relationship anyway.
18:02 August 23, 2009 by mysticbumwipe
He he. Well, well, well.

I think the following is a sign of how desperate people are becoming in trying to shout this down with intimidation and race canards:

@Israeli Guy

"The story was 100% false and the paper didn't provide a single verifiable fact that can support it's validity"

Hmmmm. Lets see. A photograph of the corpse the reporter HIMSELF took and witnessed with a stitched up cut from navel to throat!! that is not a "a single verifiable fact".

The uninformed denial here defies belief. :-o
18:04 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide
@ travels

Firstly, be polite and do not say "idiot" otherwise I can use the same level of bad morality that you have been taught in your army.

Secondly, for a period of time I as many of the people around the world felt sorry for what the media said about the Holocaust. But after monitoring the behaviors of the jews worldwide, what they do in the middle east, and how they show that the jews are more valuable than others, I with many people in the world started to think that the jews do not deserve sorry, they cause so much victims in the middle east. The hate is growing against the jews in all the world.

Have you ever asked yourselves why the jews are hated in all the world? definitely not all the world are wrong and you are right.
18:09 August 23, 2009 by Aynte
Hang on!

Only a piece of article which may or may not be true made such gigantic angry for Israel's government! How about the mess killing they've committed in Gaza while UN proposed "war-crime against humanity"? Come on guys. Do you think people are fool-enough for your blatant massacre? or you think Europeans are animals!!!!!

I should agree with my colleagues who said "Don't bow Israel over this tiny issue"?

Let their mouth open and listen their nonsense words
18:16 August 23, 2009 by bongo8
I can understand why swedes identify with the aggressor, isn't it the "Stockholm syndrom"? LOL

Happy Ramadan sweden!

swedes Let's chant together as is done in the streets of Teheran: "Death to America!" "Death to Israel"
18:17 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide

I have been in Russia many times and they remember the war as the "patriotic war" and they do not hate the germans nor the europeans. They never advertise their casualties because they simply keep the honor of their dead people not the sell their honor in the media and buy political interests as Israel do since 60 years.

By the way, I have seen many words on the wall that israel built to seperate between the jews and the arabs (I mean the 21 century BERLIN WALL). The jews write "kill the arabs", "the good arab is the dead one" and so on.

And at the end they cry the Holocaust over their crimes in the middle east. Do they think the world is stupid or what?
18:20 August 23, 2009 by Stüpid
If Israel has problem only USA and Briton will support in the whole world. I don't understand sometimes why Sweden is sometimes against Israel. Is it making arabs in sweden happy by making such cowardly comments and inviting them? Or, is it afraid of neighbouring countries of Israel?
18:21 August 23, 2009 by kelvison
shame,a real shame to government of israel.what a shaky government. an article of a news paper right or wrong? they are showing how they are afraid of this kind of thing!

they are the one are spreading this news to the world.i was at work the other day,some one was talking about this organ stilling things.this person has never been interested in political stuff but he was talking and he had an opinion about this.now whole world is talking about this.because government of israel has involved itself in this!!!???

i asked some people to see if sweden should apologize? every one said if sweden does this,they all will hate israel forever.they said is thisthe kind of democracy they are spreading in middle east? get your act together israel!
18:21 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
We have managed to survive in this region for 60 years without Sweden's help , I can assure you we can survive another 60 years , think it will only be for the best if Israel won't let any Swedish Journalists enter our country.
18:23 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide

"swedes Let's chant together as is done in the streets of Teheran: "Death to America!" "Death to Israel" "

we will never do that in Sweden do you know why? because we do not give a *hit for such country like Israel who kill and cry, rape and complain, and always crying whatever the world gives them.
18:27 August 23, 2009 by Elias06
I love the israeli media policy all arround the world :

- You agree with all what israel does YOU ARE A FRIEND OF ISRAEL

- you criticise israel for anything YOU ARE ANTISEMITIC or you are JUST AN ARAB .

when a journalist criticize france do we label his as "anti christian" ? when someone criticize iran do we call him "anti muslim" ?

this is just stupid soon if someone criticize the football team of tel aviv because they play bad he will be called antisemitic or i dont know what.

is israel a country or a religion cuz when we talk about israel bad we insult the jews.and god knows how bad it is when they are not happy
18:31 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide

"We have managed to survive in this region for 60 years without Sweden's help , I can assure you we can survive another 60 years".

Yes, sure you have survived there by the american blind support not by your own my darling.

And I am going to assure you that no country full of crimes can survive because the justice will smash the criminals... take a lesson from the Nazi regime in germany, the fascist regime in Italy , and communist regimes in western europe, none of them survived more than 8 decades.
18:32 August 23, 2009 by bongo8
Hi @history_guide all I wish you is to fly to teheran meet your collegue holocaust denier president Achmedinajad,

You can smile with him to the missile camera, when the Israli air force comes to harvest your organs.

By the way what's your blood type?
18:32 August 23, 2009 by Scornful_Luigi
"With a couple thousand of IDF soldiers we can invade Sweden and harvest their organs. Would not Sweden like that? Than their lies will become truths.

It would be that easy since this is a weakling nation of softies."

I have found that in the talkback section of an article published in the Haaretz newspaper. That`s just funny. Link here: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/ResponseDetails.jhtml?resNo=5175036&itemno=1109455&cont=2
18:35 August 23, 2009 by magic1964
The only thing Im sure is that Sweden will be someday an islamic state......not Israel..hehehehe
18:36 August 23, 2009 by kelvison
israel dont waste swedish people and government`s time.

leave us alone to print what ever we want. i bet if you could you wanted drope a few atomic bomb here in sweden.you got problem with whole world,with all the countries around you,you invaded syria,lebanon,palestine.you got problem with all arab countries,with iran,venezoela....you are dameging united stat of america...

you want to control every thing in any price.you control alot of news papers all over the world and none of them says anything against you.you used poland during the war,thats why many of them hate israel.

you had problem from begining of the time and still you have and i think you will haveit till end of the time and even after that.i dont know what you got a big problem.be afraid of the day the whole world be against you.
18:37 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743

Yes , we have American Weapons , alot of them , watch out we might bomb Sweden one day since we are so elite.

Oh and yes , we will survive here you know why? cause now we got an Army to defend ourselvs , unlike 60 years ago.
18:42 August 23, 2009 by Elias06

you will never live in peace..a criminal never live in peace..in sweden we live in peace cuz we didnt kill anyone, we didnt invad anyone's country. Israel will never live in peace ,that's the cheap price of all your crimes .
18:42 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide

Firstly, You threat as you all do in Israel when someone talks about your past, present, or future which all gave records in crimes. Go to strike Iran if you can because USA will do that on behalf of you little naughty country. But lets meet when USA goes bankrupt.

Secondly, You have asked about my blood. It is not strange because you are an israeli it means full of hate and racism thats why you think that I am an arab or irani, do you think that no awake people in Europe??

By the way, where are you from? Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, or Ukraine. You are very sweet when you mention the blood story... hehehehe
18:43 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
and your punish will be an Islamic Sweden , can't wait for that day to come.
18:44 August 23, 2009 by kelvison
sweden is waitting and if there are films or photos about organ things will come out soon. i said if there is?
18:48 August 23, 2009 by Törnrosa
"the crisis will continue as long as the Swedish government doesn't change its attitude toward this anti-Semitic article. Those who do not condemn it are not welcome in Israel."

This is my problem with the current situation. Criticise Israel and you must be anti-semitic. How is that fair? Regardless of whether the article is true or not , Israel's labeling of the Swedish government as a bunch of anti-semtics for refusing to condem it is perhaps one of the most inane and hypocritical statements I have read. Critiscism of a possible behaviour or practice, does not automatically equal criticism of a race or religion.

I get tired of hearing the holocaust card being played over and over again. YES the holocaust was a dreadful, dreadful event, that should never have happened and should always be remembered so that it can never happen again. But it's been 60 years now and to continually bring it up inregards to international realtions is irrelevant and pointless (Interestingly had it not been for the holocaust Israel as a state would not exist today!). A country or people's actions during world war 2 should not be confused with those people's or countries actions today.

Sweden is a country of free speech where it is possible to ask tough questions, to present evidence and to open up lively and interesting debates on sensitive matters. People here are allowed to express opinions, to criticise the government and investigate matters which some people might wish were best left untouched.

Now I do not know whether Israel is involved in organ harvesting, but the article presents some interesting evidence which should be investigated. I would have thought Israelis would WANT this investigating! If there was even the slightest chance my government was doing something like this then I would want to know, so I could do something to get it stopped!

Sweden should most definately stick to it's guns here and teach Israel that it cannot keep using the tragedy of the holocaust to force people to turn a blind eye when it's practices are called into question.

There are a lot of atrocties and actions going on (or have gone on) in Israel that have been overlooked. Israel would do better to stop harking on about the 'so called' anti-semitic attitudes of a distant land and take a look at the painfully evident racisit attrocities happening within it's own borders.
18:49 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide

Do you wanna bomb Sweden my darling? OMG we should escape to be refugees in Finland or Norway. Do you think Sweden is Lebanon, or Gaza.

You are an aggressive country who was planted there in the middle east.


Yes Israel might never be changed to be a Muslim or a Christian country because they are racists and do not allow that to happen. They do not allow the nature to go as it should be. Here in Sweden or even in all Europe we do not emphasize on such issue because it relates to the nature. Anyway , the people who come here from muslim countries they are not radicals nor terrorists, they merge themselves in the society properly.
18:49 August 23, 2009 by Elias06
stone99743 is just like his israeli brothers: when someone criticize his beautiful new country he call him islamic or arab !! he knows that u r not an arab but its his way to insult you cuz being an arab is an insult in israel as they are trating them like animals
18:52 August 23, 2009 by Hagai
Sweden is a country plagued by various forms of Antisemitism whether such forms come from its growing muslem population or from the native Swedes.When it comes from the native Swedes it is many times masked by nice words such as free press etc...It is strange that in 2006 the Swedish government didn't

hesitate to condemn the Mouhammad Cartoons.

In Sweden you have reached the maxiaml rate of hypocricism.
18:54 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
What's also funny , is that when IDF kills some terrorists the whole world cries and shouts "why,why!" , but when the Muslims kill their fellow brothers in Iran,Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan,Sumalia,Yemen,Saudi Arabia , and i could count more arab countries , then it's okay and no voice is heard against it.

and you talk about hypocricy?
18:55 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide

"and your punish will be an Islamic Sweden , can't wait for that day to come"

I think this is grace in compared to be a Jewish state. Why do you think that the Jews are better than others.

I just want to tell you that in all the world when someone wants to insult another he say to him : YOU ARE A JEW . But why this phenomena is in all the world especially in USA and Europe??? I tell you why because of such people like you and some posters from Israel who comment here.
18:58 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
I really couldn't care less if you like me or not History_Guide , since i will never meet you anyway.

Just hope my Government will kick out all those pro-muslims journalists ouuta my country!
18:58 August 23, 2009 by Elias06
thats amazing how you relate the story of a journalist criticizing israel army to a fact : that sweden has less than 5 percet of muslim population.what is your goal when you do that create problems between muslims and non muslims like you do everywhere.

I knew that it was the sionist strategy all arround the world but i didnt know that it also works on the forum of a website like this one !!
19:00 August 23, 2009 by galitisrael
ok, i have read most of your comments and i feel really confused. on one hand i want to come in peace & invite u to learn more about us & our culture - cause clearly you are caught in misconceptions about us-being fed from the news. on the other hand i would like to clarify that israel & jewish people will not!! stand in silent while being slandered in the most vicious way (as a 3 generation to holocaust survivors i can tell you that hall will freeze before antone will hurt us again for no reason). as a layer in a active & proud democracy, i support the freedom of speech but... democracy should defend it self and should respect all human being - that include jewish yaa...Sweeden would like to present it self as progressive but you came out as dark and narrow minded - standing in silent is worst than doing harm (than the good in this world will never win). this is your choice & freedom to decide - what u r and what u want to be
19:03 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide

"What's also funny , is that when IDF kills some terrorists the whole world cries and shouts "why,why!" , but when the Muslims kill their fellow brothers in Iran,Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan,Sumalia,Yemen,Saudi Arabia , and i could count more arab countries , then it's okay and no voice is heard against it."

These " Islamic terrorists" you are talking about are killing Muslims not Jews. Why? The Muslims think that some countries support such terrorists to show that Islam is terror. But how can such a Bedouin from a desert ( I mean Osama) could have all this power, all those critical information to perform the attacks in 11/9? if those terrorists are really muslims why do not they bomb israel? is not israel the enemy of muslims as you israelis claim?

Answer these questions if you can please.
19:04 August 23, 2009 by bongo8
My girl friend is Israeli her name is "Bar Refaeli" much better than "Linda Rosing".
19:04 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
Just hope my government would kick out your ambassador outta here , and return ours, no need to have a diplomatic relations with such a pro-muslim country.
19:07 August 23, 2009 by travels

Who are you to tell me what I can and cannot say?? How about that "freedom of speech"? By being a Holocaust denier your "bad morality" shows. To clarify, I'm not Israeli, have never even been to Israel, and as far their army's level of morality I guess terrorists doing suicide bombings, beheading people and the likes is the right morality for you.

So the Jews cause victims in the Middle East but the Arabs don't, such a saints the Arabs are, a real example of how societies should be, then maybe the Arabs that emigrate to Europe should stay in their great countries instead of slowly invading Europe. After all being such exemplary societies, with tens of millions, having all the petro dollars and the right morality, why not just stay in their wonderful lands.

As far as Jews being hated in the world, anti-Semitism has always existed, like racism, ill treatment of women, etc, etc.- Do you think Arabs or Muslims are loved worldwide??
19:08 August 23, 2009 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Ok Johnny-Tango I'll adhere to your strict 100 limit until Iran-boy decides to wanna I-ran-go-to Sweden with me.

The Khazars? What about the Khazars?

19:11 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide

But why you hate the Muslims so much?? just because you stole a land from theirs and they are resisting to get it back?

if you feel like hell there in PALESTINE go back to Poland or Ukraine or I do not know where are you from... it is better for you, now no body can be anti-jews in Europe as ww2 (again as you claim) .
19:11 August 23, 2009 by travels

I've been to Russia many times, if you think they don't dislike Germans you don't know enough about them and there are monuments everywhere remembering their WW2 deaths, no problem, but don't tell me they don't always remember them. I told you Jews keep reminding about the holocaust partly because …… like you keep denying it.

You say in the walls you saw written "kill the Arabs". Are you telling me Muslims don't kill the Jews, infidels, Americans, Spaniards, English, Australians, Balinese, each other, Africans, etc, etc?. Also History Guide you have not yet told us the story of how back then Hitler, with open arms and like mind, welcomed the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammad Amin al Husayni, Yasser Arafat´s mentor, all of them rabid anti-Jews, seemingly kind of like you.

As far a crimes in the Middle East, the very day Israel was founded the armies of seven different Arab countries invaded it, you probably think that was a good thing to do.
19:13 August 23, 2009 by avib2907
People!! its true!, the israelis always stolen the oragan from the bodies even they stolen organs from jewish bodies whom killed somehow.

I am an orthodox jew who is residing in palestine (in so called "israel") ,its true, there is place in tel aviv, name as ''abu-kabir clinic'',there the israelis making surgeon to dead bodies and stolen the organs quietly and secretly from the bodies,they make with them experiments and etc.
19:19 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide

Firstly, if you do not know what is Israel then PLEASE make a favor for me and do not defend them BLINDLY.

"and as far their army's level of morality I guess terrorists doing suicide bombings, beheading people and the likes is the right morality for you."

These suicide bombers have been made by Israel itself, I tell you how, they lost their lands, their families, their future, they do not have army to protect them they have just their bodies to fight with.... who in all the world loves to kill him/herself? definitely no body but just the totally oppressed people like those.

Let israel give them their rights and then the story will be over.

You want the arabs not to immigrate to Europe? why? is it your fathers land? and USA people are all immigrants so why you are burning your blood.
19:20 August 23, 2009 by Mamba
Prove your claims!!

....'Till then - STFU nazi clowns!
19:22 August 23, 2009 by Cornelius Hamelberg
For Johnny Tango:


You quarrel is not with me.
19:25 August 23, 2009 by Mamba
IKEA = garbage

And THAT'S ABOUT IT - when it comes to what you bring to this world... oh and also blonds (but not as pretty as the ones from Denmark)

Just waiting to be removed by your 'freedom of speech' dooshbag media. hehe
19:28 August 23, 2009 by avib2907

19:29 August 23, 2009 by Mamba
AVI spare us the bull, you're Israeli my a$$
19:29 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide

Regarding Russia , I have explained in one of the previous comments.. I think you either did not read well or do not understand English, so please read again.

You said:

"You say in the walls you saw written "kill the Arabs". Are you telling me Muslims don't kill the Jews, infidels, Americans, Spaniards, English, Australians, Balinese, each other, Africans, etc, etc?."

Wow now the muslims are killing all the world? Ok who invaded Iraq and damaged a civilization with 8 thousands years old (USA and UK)? who attacked Afghanistan since 30 years until now (USA and USSR) and thats why that country is full of terrorists.

The Muslims are more than 1 billion and the terrorists are just thousands my darling. Terrorists are in all religions. But in Israel the whole people are militant, all of them are soldiers since 15 years old, boys and girls which is the only country in the world like this. Killing in their blood.
19:31 August 23, 2009 by avib2907
Dear Sweden Government,

Please, Do not condemn the truth, as the israelis want.
19:35 August 23, 2009 by travels

I know plenty about Israel, probably much more about them and their history than you.

Now we know for sure, not only are you a Holocaust denier but also a terrorism apologist. Of course Muslim terrorists worldwide is all Israel's fault, like everything else wrong in the world. Perhaps all oppressed people everywhere in the world, should invest their time in terrorist ways, they all should just explode themselves in order to kill as many others as possible or just decapitate a few, that's much better than trying to do something positive with ther lives. How naive of you to think that if Muslims manage to throw the Israelis in the sea worldwide terrorism will stop.

Europe belongs to the Europeans (for now), not to Muslims, but don't worry Eurabia is on its way.

Also, History Guide, you have not yet told us the story of how back then Hitler, with open arms and like mind, welcomed the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Mohammad Amin al Husayni, Yasser Arafat´s mentor, all of them rabid anti-Jews, seemingly kind of like you
19:37 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
Not all the Muslims are terrorists , but all the terrorists are Muslims.
19:38 August 23, 2009 by Mamba
History guide stop mumbling crap!

Muslims are attacking anyone and everywhere they can are YOU F blind??

Terrorism is a way of life for these guys - 100% of mass murders by terrorists are comitted by muslims - you sound like a 6 old child..

"The Muslims are more than 1 billion and the terrorists are just thousands my darling." ARE YOU ON CRACK???

Give most of them a gun and a stick of dynamite and say hi to god KIDO!
19:40 August 23, 2009 by Mamba
I know what snow / cold do to your brain HISTORY but man ur SLOW!
19:40 August 23, 2009 by avib2907
To Mamba,

I am Palestinian Jew ,not israeli!

I am an orthodox jew who support Palestinain people whom are living under barbaric,racist and terrorist zionist state,

which it calls it self in forgery a "Jew" but the zionist state is not jewish, the state is 'ZIONIST'.

True jews are not recognizing "Israel".
19:42 August 23, 2009 by Mamba
Proud just don't say the word Muhammed :)

They will close this website hahaha..
19:44 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
yet , you live in Israel avib2907 , then why don't you take yourself and all of your stuff , and get the hell outta Israel and live in Gaza? i'm sure your friends will welcome you open arms.
19:46 August 23, 2009 by Mamba
Man (Avi) you belong to a very small group of psychos - you are not a JEW or even representing %0.00000000000000 of the jews in the world.

You're a traitor too and you should leave Israel - instead of taking advantage of it - like the muslims...
19:48 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
And for those small-minded swedes out there , Israel was always the land of the Jewish people , always have , and always will be, as much as you hate that.
19:49 August 23, 2009 by Mamba
Go live in Sweden - they don't steal organs HEHE!
19:51 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
mamba , i think we just shuted up those pro-muslims swedes ,

they just can't handle the truth.
19:51 August 23, 2009 by History_Guide

the way how you try to explain spots the light on you as ignorant and knows nothing about convincing the others so I will not waste my time replying to you I will try to ignore you because you do not deserve my time actually. You do not understand what do you read from the others comments so I advise you to go and shout for the holocaust better for you.


Is Ariel Sharon a muslim? or Ihod Barak or Beretz or ... or all the israeli army are muslims? was Hitler muslim? was Stalin muslim? is George bush muslim? So please shut your mouth if you do not have any thing real to say.


I will not also waste my time replying to you, I think my answer to your colleage Stone99743 is for you too.
19:54 August 23, 2009 by morkusrex
I'm from Israel.

Just came back from work..Read the comments here and really, I'm amazed.

It seems the while the world is EVOLVING, Europe is going the wrong way.

Europe is evolving backwards, soon enough they'll discover the fire.

Sad really.

I don't see the point of cursing, screaming and arguing as the people who wrote most of the comments here are pretty brainwashed .

I mean there's no open mind to talk to - "Israel is bad and please stop confusing me with fact that will collide with what I already know".

Am I shocked? hardly. Just a bit disappointed by the world and happy of being remembered HOW GOOD IS TO HAVE ISRAEL.

peace out.
19:54 August 23, 2009 by delusion1982
oh Stone99743, along with Mamba jamba, Now you show how the democratic and free speech are values in the Israeli minds. Oh Israelis, if you dont agree with what Stone99743 believes, then get the hell out of his country, this country belongs only to these psychos. Well spoken, you are as well not welcomed in the free world, so keep your head in your Jewish racist mob.
19:57 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
thanks delusion , and i also hope all those left-wings extrimists will move to sweden , atleast its better to have all the trash in one place.
19:59 August 23, 2009 by potato man
Investigative journalism is one of the foundations of a free and civilised society.

We say no to Israeli censorship.
20:00 August 23, 2009 by mor
I wonder how come this family hasn't said anything since 1992.

I know that if I had the slightest doubt about someone stealing my brother's organs, I wouldn't have waited a single minute! this family probably needs some money, and loves the idea of talking bad about the israeli army, so they tell a story.

did anybody see pictures? something? I believe not.

I can't believe that the government in Sweden doesn't mind. this fake democracy will get back at them, because once someone decides to tell a similar story about sweden, or the swedish army, they won't be able to say anything.
20:03 August 23, 2009 by avib2907
Mamba, a zionist eirev rav(rabble)!

Your filthy zionist state existence is temporary,

the zionist state will be dismantled speedy.

I will be rejoice to wellcom palestinian state to rule over Palestine (The Holy-Land) in jerusalem,and the wicked zionists only place will be in the SEA!
20:05 August 23, 2009 by bjinger
Now let's see how the freedom of speech works in the western that many against the saying of social reponsibility born by a press. It's sad to see many westerners and press use dual standard in judging the similar issues in Asia. Israelis needs a apology from the press and public comdennation.Shames on the press.
20:07 August 23, 2009 by delusion1982
Stone "aged", my dear, if so, then why do you insist on coming here and showing your dirty laundry, we already know of it, and we "the trash" do not welcome Zionists like you! period.

Anyway, I guess the story is done! Sweden will not bow down to the "political threats" from Israel. If they do, be sure that they all will be thrown out. These guys were elected in a democratic country, and they know what they are talking about. Sorry Israel, this is not USA, and is not manipulated by the Jewish capitalist lobby.
20:13 August 23, 2009 by avib2907
Zionists,hypocrite zionists !! stop to mention every time "holocaust,holocaust", the zionist movement was behind the tragic holocaust events like the nazis,the zionist movement prevented to save jews from the holocaust because it served the zionist interests to establish a state in palestine name as "Israel" by the bloodshed of jews in the holocaust, to justify by it the establishment of the racist zionist state.

20:17 August 23, 2009 by irit22
Why dont you claim israelies or jews eat christian children's blood on passevOr? All the israelies I know are shocked by this 'article'.

My brother in law is a world known doctor sometimes he treats plastenains(The Israeli goverment pays for the treatment) I didnt know he eats children.....
20:17 August 23, 2009 by Iraniboy
Someone has published an article against a military forces of country. But we see hundreds of insults to all Swedes and Muslims(who are not even part of this story!!). Can you please look at your comments? You're angered at one article while you post far worse than that?

As about Musilim and terrorism.

Some facts:

0.001% of Muslims are terrorists.

More than 50% of Israelis are member(current of reserved) of IDf.
20:18 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
Some people here need an immidiate psychological exam , let's start with avib2907 to find out how he has become so disconnected from reality.
20:26 August 23, 2009 by think again
swedish soldiers cut danish small children's legs and use it for IKEA plastic products. and that's a fact !!

can someone prove that it's not ??
20:27 August 23, 2009 by avib2907
Dear iranboy!

The IDF is the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

The existence of IDF and the State of Israel is forbidden according to the Judaism!

and when you look that there are many many religious jews who are support "Israel" and IDF,this because the zionists/zionist movement brainwashed the religious jews since 1896,therefore they falsify and distort the Judaism, in purpose to jestify the exsitence of the illegitimate zionist state.

20:28 August 23, 2009 by irit22
If we had had an army and a jewish land in 1939-1945 I would have had an happy grandmother and a lot more relatives.
20:32 August 23, 2009 by delusion1982
@think again: you urgently need to -think again-

There is a whole damn article written by a respectful journalist, who witnessed an incident of this regard, and wrote about doubts, thoughts and fears coming from several directions about the acts of the IDF, which we already dont expect to be open to the public of Israel, so we dont think that you are qualified to be their spokesman. In this regard, you can not compare the IKEA thing to this.

And anyway, believe me, if some articles in let's say France has published something like that, then not the whole Swedish nation will rage against it. It will just stick to IKEA.

Anway, the Swedish defence agency is way more open to the public than your intelligence system which has more problems than able to deal with.

There is no smoke without fire.
20:37 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
illusion1982 , look , you said the journalist witnessed it yea? where is the proof? where are the pictures? you for yourself can't tell if it's right or wrong , and you know , a man is innocent till proved guilty , so cut the bullshit.
20:40 August 23, 2009 by Stüpid
I am really Proud of Israel as being a peaceful nation. Such a small country and too many enemies all over the world. None wants to support except USA.
20:42 August 23, 2009 by think again
delusion - do you live in illusions ?

this "respectful" journalist has based his masterpiece only on hearing testimony. so have i in the IKEA case. so it must be true.

and about the IDF - the israelis are proud that it's army is the army of people,

meaning that wicked offencive actions against the IDF is like an action against all of israelis. and they won't let it happen without a response !
20:51 August 23, 2009 by Iraniboy
@think again

If your proud army is the one that use sulphurous bombs, attack UNHQ in Lebanon and UN protected school, use cluster bombs to kill more people,...then you have to think again!!

The above army is capable of doing any wrong thing apart from those mentioned above. But for IKEA any sober person will reject your claim.
20:55 August 23, 2009 by Mamba
i don't eat children i eat swedish p***y :D
20:57 August 23, 2009 by Miss Kitten
Lol...are you a Swedish cat?
20:58 August 23, 2009 by Mamba
Irani, if the israelis wanted to kills palestinians? how come Gaza is still intact?

is it their mighty army? israel can wipe Gaza in 30 min. m0r0n!?
21:00 August 23, 2009 by think again
iraniboy -

the IDF is the one thats protects israel from dark regimes like in your state.

but i'm sure that your'e happy with latest "democratic election" results in

your pathetic and dangerous country.

the IDF is the one that attacked the iraqi nuclear power plant back in 1981.

now, think again what would have happend during the gulf war without that attack
21:03 August 23, 2009 by Mamba
delusion1982 - you are clearly a kid (1982)

Your country is murdering/occupying the Samis for years so STFU!
21:04 August 23, 2009 by Sane Dude
It's understandable that the you, the swedes, cannot comprehend the nature of our war.

You live so far away in your nice big houses, living your daily no-war routine and feed news only from the media. I actually envy you.

But you must not make such accusation against Israel without even setting a foot in this area.

It's really easy to support the underdog and it's fight, and try to make it's enemy as a monster, but that's something only a fool will do.

I know the swedes are not fool at all, I had the pleasure of having swedes friend,

but it's inevitable, when your media keeps bombarding you about how Israel and the IDF are bad, inhuman and you have to accept it as the 'truth' because it's you only source of information.

If Israel really want to harm the palestines, all we need to do is to stop flowing water to their houses and stop their electricity completely. But we don't, even when it's our power station, and our water infrastructures who supply them with their needs. That way 0 IDF soldiers would die.

If you want to judge us, you should come and see the things as they are from both point of view, and not your single point of view media.
21:04 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
look what a hot topic i've found: http://www.thelocal.se/21496/20090816/
21:06 August 23, 2009 by Transworld
5,933,900 Estimated Jewish population annihilated

312,500,000 Top 10 death toll Wars

I think it is time to let it go now, no one will forget how horrible was The Holocaust.

Our Foreign Minister is just protecting our constitution :

"Respect the principle of freedom of expression"

Don t mind us if we are no longer sensible to your insult since you keep using the same for the last 60 years , but i invite you to check out the Death toll war list, you may found out that not only Israel have face horrible crime.


21:07 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
too many Mohammeds.
21:09 August 23, 2009 by delusion1982
@Stüpid : You proud of your people's army, sure that's because half your country is in the army.

Anyway Stüpid, what a nice nickname you chose for people to take you seriously in an intellectual conversaion! lol

For those who keep talking about the war with palastine, or cursing Arabs, or Iranina, and whatever crap you have in your mind you want to spit out, this is a different topic, so please do not flod this website with irrelevant posts, cause I am really wasting a lot of time to find some comment "aside from the 1 million new Israel subscribers" which I can take seriously!
21:19 August 23, 2009 by Iraniboy

Gaza is not intact. After thw war finished, you have started another trick. You're starving them to death without food,fuel,medicine,...all ships are denied to approach Gaza,... You're curently commiting a slow genocide in Gaza.

@think again

You didn't responded to what I said about IDF. That's what IDF is. Sorry, this thread is not about Iran otherwise I could help you.


Yes it was horrible and does it mean we should accept another one, this time against Palestinians?! Or we should prevent it?
21:19 August 23, 2009 by think again
delusion, i think that you crossed the line, but you must be sorry for that, so you'll be glad to hear that i reported about your bad language.

i think that your behaviour is common among ignorant people who can't find intellingent arguments... so i'm not angry at you, but it's advisable to read a book or something, or maybe even finish highschool ?
21:19 August 23, 2009 by Stüpid
@delusion1982: Do you mean you want to argue with Israelis? I did not understand what you have written.

I wonder how swedish foreign minister discovered ( like a new invention)the truth (if it is truth). When no one ever before mentioned such a news anywhere else in the world. Very strange..... I have to laugh. I don't know if it is childish either... :)
21:26 August 23, 2009 by Iraniboy
@think again

While you're at it, you can also ask your fellow countryman to stop eating. He was eating Swedish *****

So please don't lecture about the red line!!!
21:27 August 23, 2009 by Stüpid
It's foolish to make statements without proofs.

It's like saying oh yah.... that person looks like a thief. Oh, yah maybe he is the thief. And, later saying freedom of speech.
21:31 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
Iraniboy just tries to divert us from the real issue , the overflowing Mohammeds that settle down in Sweden and in the rest of Europe , conquering the land and claim it.

Israel is not the problem - YOU ARE.
21:32 August 23, 2009 by think again
irani -

i think we should all learn about red lines from the master of red lines -

mr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, your mentor.

he can teach us all a short lesson about acting wise, with proportion and

humanitrian way without any madness or cruelty.
21:33 August 23, 2009 by hun
Hey Guys, be proud of your cabinet, thats the real freedom of the press, and

it's the base of the real demokracy.

It's like a kind of expection in the present "Europe"...

Someone from Hungary
21:37 August 23, 2009 by mobings
Test time for Swedish government to remove the their pants and show either front side or back side to Israel. But remember in either case, they will try to ride on the front side.
21:38 August 23, 2009 by delusion1982
@think again... Have you been to Sweden? I have been to all your region, and spent many years in your and your neighboring countries, Syria, Lebanon, Palastine and so on, and had written a lot about the situation, and I know it very well. But.. an intellectual, or an intelligent, or whatever you want to call it, argument, must be based on principles, and you lack it, so I prefer to save myself time, and let you deal with your anger by yourself. Anyway, if you do not like our language here, so go write on your countries forums instead. Since I do not see anyone taking you seriously on this forum.

Anyway, here is a list of countries by freedom of press, published by reporters without borders. When just considering how Israel fell down the list, it shuold be conceivable that most Israelis do not even udnerstand what freedom of press is.

21:38 August 23, 2009 by Iraniboy
@Stone99 @think again

For second time, this is not about Iran and I have no respect for Ahmadinejad more than a human being.

That sentence about overflow of Muhammad is irrelevant and racist. If only someone say the similar thing about Jews!!! BOMB!!!

I thought you can comprehend that Sweden is a secular country without any attribution to any religion. And the author of this article is not Muslim either. Shall I draw a picture or it's clear?
21:41 August 23, 2009 by Zonob
To Israel boy and other Zionists on this board:

The paper did not "label" anybody with anything. It stated facts backed by evidence. That's what journalistic investigative work is all about. To all of you Zionists out there: stop crying anti-semitic everytime your crimes are exposed. No body is listening to your B.S. propaganda any more.
21:47 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
Which crimes Zonob? you have no clue what you talk about.
21:48 August 23, 2009 by irit22

we can not froget because survivers live among us.My mother in law lost her family in the war. When I read ihe article my fears as a jew rised. We can not let it happen again/
21:49 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
We can argue about this article all night , fact is that it doesn't matter anymore , now israelis dislike swedes , swedes dislike israelis , both nations should just cut off ties in my opinion.
21:50 August 23, 2009 by Sane Dude
Let go? let go you say? they were our parents, grandparents, uncles and aunts.

How could we possibly let go?

Transworld, you're clearly an ignorant.

5.933 million is about the number of Jews living in Israel -today-.

There is one clear difference between the death of people at extermination camps (not only Jews) and the death of people at the war itself,

The difference is that the people who died by the German army, died while fighting back with their own armies, it suck, but that's just how wars work, while the people at the extermination camps weren't even at war. They were simply slain systematically.

I'm not saying one death is lesser the the other, all I'm saying is that such horrible systematically exterminations must be remembered, by all nations, so such things won't happen ever again.

The Jews are very thankful for all the alliance soldiers who gave their life to save the few Jews left and end the war.

We have never thought any less about the dead in that damn war, it surely was a horrible war.
21:51 August 23, 2009 by Zonob

You have not heard of Zionist-orchestrated crimes in the past six decades? Are you kidding me?? You haven't heard of the massacres In Lebanon 1982 and also in 2006, in Palestine 1948, 1976, and in Gaza 2008-2009 to name a few. Where have you been living in all this time?
21:53 August 23, 2009 by Stone99743
in reality?
21:57 August 23, 2009 by think again
delusion -

you're adressing me quite much for someone who doesn't take me seriously...

i'm sure that you visited the middle east (unfortunatelly, the immigration authorities let ignorant people in from time to time...) and that makes you an expert to palestinians stolen organs.

now, about freedom of press - it's really sad that you dont understand that this

freedom should come together with responsibillity to publish the truth and not rubbish.

and by the way, i have'nt been to sweden - too boring - i prefer denmark
21:58 August 23, 2009 by Anonymous11

First, Israel does better on this list then what ever country you are from (probably one of the ones you mentioned).

Second, the reason Israel has to a certain extent limited freedom of press is because certain information may be sensitive to media and may be used by terrorist organizations.

I guess that Sweden would have taken the same position if was in a similar position!
22:02 August 23, 2009 by Stüpid

In the years which you mentioned above the Israelis might have been living in fear. You have named only a few years. Why don't you name everything. But, what happened actually? Let us know.
22:04 August 23, 2009 by Sane Dude

Where have you?

You probably lived at a very a nice comfortable house, heard on the media about how evil the Israelis are.

Well, it's about time you start thinking on your own, and not being brainwashed by your media.

In war people die, innocent people die, from both sides, that's just how it works, especially when the army you fight against hides inside school and populated areas.

Fact is, you don't even know 1% of the things going on here. Most of the things you don't even hear about, because it isn't much of an interest to your media.
22:10 August 23, 2009 by delusion1982
@Anonymous11, you have to understand that I am not against Israel, and have nothing against the individuals, but as a free citizn, one should be active in protecting his, and his country's rights of freedom of press. I am not saying that the article is true (although I have strong doubts), but I am saying that the political chair of Sweden is not liable to condemn any article, and the article by itself, if it lacks reasons, evidence, throughtful insights, good argument, the public by itself will disregard it or condemn it using a similar freedom of press act.

Quoting the Swedish Freedom of The Press:

" The freedom of the press means the right of every Swedish subject, without prior hindrance by a central administrative authority or other public body, to publish any written matter, and not to be prosecuted thereafter on grounds of the content of such matter other than before a court of law, or to be punished therefor in any case other than a case in which the content is in contravention of an express provision of law, enacted to preserve public order without suppressing information to the public."

You have to understand that in Sweden things are maybe run in a different way that in your country.

The press in Sweden is independent, and herein, whoever claims abuse of the act should proceed in a legal procedure, and until decided upon, no judgement of the article or the publisher shall be undertaken.
22:28 August 23, 2009 by Anonymous11
delusion1982 do you really believe that press should be able to publish anything? Of course it sounds "very democratic " "freedom of speech" but what if the content is a lie? What if the content is racist or insults certain people, such as in the Mohammad caricature case? Think well what would happen in Sweden if Aftonbladet would publish an insulting article about Muslims.
22:34 August 23, 2009 by Playmaker
if there was anything publised about muslims or muhammed there would be fires all over sweden and a body count. you know that.
22:47 August 23, 2009 by Eye_Witness
The world is so unfair towards Israel. How bad it is by Palestine children (terrorists) throwing stones on our 'peaceful' tanks. We just took out organs to investigate the reasons of hate against us. Please do not think us bad. We will keep on killing the innocent for PEACE-FUL purpose because we have been promised with the 'Land of Israel' .
22:57 August 23, 2009 by Iraniboy

In case you didn't notice, there zillions of article about armies of Muslim acountries and Muslim terrorist groups. I haven't seen anyone criticising western medias to stop writing about Muslim terrorism!!

And in case you didn't notice in CNN website, the author of the article has recieved several death thearts.

You have just shown that despite recieving a Swedish citizenship last month, you're not qualified for it.
23:15 August 23, 2009 by Arabian
I think people are un sure how many problems we have in middel east. We have big problems with america daily basis. This issue you debate is little to us.
23:18 August 23, 2009 by irit22
what about the sucide plastanians terrists who killed jewish kids a nephew of my friend died he was 14.? so easy to froget/You antisemic people can accuse us for killing christ again but something has changed we have an army,and a land.
23:25 August 23, 2009 by Per Johansson52
"Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz of Netanyahu's rightwing Likud party said "the crisis will continue as long as the Swedish government doesn't change its attitude toward this anti-Semitic article. Those who do not condemn it are not welcome in Israel."

Point noted all of these Jews the word ANTI-SEMITIC do not have any other word? This is the trick they use to shut down every mouth. So I would suggest everybody to point this word anti-semitic whenever talking to Jews.
23:30 August 23, 2009 by delusion1982
Isit22, no one is Sweden is accusing you with anything. AND antisemitism is highly NOT tolerated in Sweden. and what if your friend's nephew died in a conflict? then no one has the right of free speech anymore against any of your agencies just to sympathize that?

The Muhammed cartoons were NOT condemned by any European administrative or political chair. The CHOICE of not publishing them was made on a lower level in Sweden, only because religious tolerance is highly appreciated in Sweden. Now the Muslim world had reacted madly towards Denmark, and broke embassies, but their countries condemned their acts, and yet no one in Denmark condemned the cartoons, because this is a basis in their constitution. Not to mention that the Mohamed cartoons were merely a religious insult and had no real purpose except the bare nude act of freedom of speech.
23:30 August 23, 2009 by Sane Dude

In case that YOU didn't notice, the second that the french government done something that the Muslims didn't like, they started riots, torching and destroying places, at Paris and a few more cities.

The Palestinians never wanted nor will wanted, to have peace in this area, all these peace-like talks are simply to satisfy the world, they were designed to fail from the first second.

If the Arabs really wanted to end the misery of the Palestinians, all they had to do is to allocate a piece of land three times bigger and beautiful then Israel for the Palestinians to live in. But they didn't, in fact, they never really cared about the Palestinians, they never will care, there is roughly a definition of what is a 'Palestinian' .

Iraniboy, I understand you're afraid of telling what you really thinks, but you're afraid your little monkey-man ahmadinejad will cut off your had of being a traitor or something.
23:37 August 23, 2009 by RICARDO LARIO
Sweden, the refuse bin for Schmutz, Dreck and Muslim garbage.....
23:37 August 23, 2009 by delusion1982
Anonymous11, yes you are allowed to publish anything, aren't you allowed to publish anything on this forum? The same applied to a news paper, or a blog, or a website, or a movie, or a song. I never heard that countries in the FREE world asked other countries to condemn songs written by bands just because the lyrics were not proven to be true.

Now if someone writes hogus-bogus and stupid ideas or opinions, they will loose their credibility, reputation, and funding, and the public will ignore them, and eventually they will close down. Could happen to Aftonbladet and could not, but no political minister is liable to condemn their act.
23:44 August 23, 2009 by Arabian
We wont give our rich land to such low grade palestines people. We as Arabs have diginity and we totally are diffrent.
23:45 August 23, 2009 by Iraniboy
@Sane Dude

Thanks for your prejudice. That's not a strange thing from a pro-Israelis. I'm not in Iran and I don't support that man!

Those who started riots and torching in France were criminals not Muslims! And of course I'm don't wanna talk about France's new president who is an apparent racist with his fascist views about forcing Muslims to live like he does.

Now let's go back to the topic. Palestinians are begging for peace since 1950s! Too many peace deals and all of them have been rejected by Israel thanks to US unconditional supports of Israel.
23:53 August 23, 2009 by irit22

I read the comments here they are against jews .The autor of the article connected jews from the u.s.a with our soldiers who are jews and killing children for their organs.With my peoples history we all rember jews burned because accused eating christian childrens blood.I can not be calm and i am happy my jewish 6 year old daughter lives in israel and not in sweden.The jewish state has a sad history so we are afraid.You know my father was born in iraq muslims tried to kill him because he was a jew.
23:55 August 23, 2009 by mafiopolo

You steal organs, you being caught, you should be ashamed rather you want Swedish Government to condemn a private company who published an article about your crimes?

Why do not you say something to your BIG Daddy USA? Apparently the news appeared there first. Internet is full of these stories in US papers and on TV.

Israelis stealing organs is a crime. It is nothing to do with your Anti Smite bullshit. Live with it. The world is fed up with your anti smite and holocaust whining.

History will tell that Israel caused more atrocities than Nazis.

Shame on you for humiliating humans beings.
00:01 August 24, 2009 by Arabian
I know we are good people all the time. We want peace everywhere. War is problems for all of us.
00:12 August 24, 2009 by RICARDO LARIO
muslims are overruning our european countries and one day we will wake up to the reality when it will be too late......for all you rip van winkles, wake up and listen to gert wilders, a voice in the wilderness....countries, like my own, refused sanctuary to jews during the war and will pay the price for their present "open door humane policy".....beware because it'll come back to bite your ass....do you think muslim society and eurabia will be as tolerant towards us as we are towards them??????think!!!!!!!!

00:14 August 24, 2009 by mafiopolo
Oh yes! Had it been against Muslims, these su*kers plea freedom of speech. Now they canceled the permits to journalist. Where is your free speech bullshit.

00:19 August 24, 2009 by irit22

I served in the army and The article is a lie/

you know nothing about history .

look in the mirror you are antisimec .but you can not do anything guess what the jews have a land. i am going to sleep i wont waste my time on racist like you write about the "holocaust whining ".those people where my family' but you think jews dont suffer dont you ?
00:24 August 24, 2009 by delusion1982
Irit22, your father was going to be killed because he was a Jew, muslims in USA are being terrorized and threatened because they are muslims.

The Islamic world (as an example) has suffered as well lots of wars and tragedies, been invaded for 400 years by the ottoman empire, been split by the winners of the WW1, been killed in millions because of western conspiracies, and most of them are now being called with a "bin laden" surname around the world. Now do we shut up all the journalists in the world to sympathize with that, or we keep investigating and doubting the acts of their organizations?

Now the western world deals with you as an independent, democratic nation which believes in the freedom of speech. Shall be changed? Do you want the world to deal with you as it deals with Saudi Arabia?

Just imagine a free Israeli journalist writing a story he witnessed against the Palestinians without providing court approved evidence "which happens everyday", should your government condemn these journalists? or you would say, we support freedom of speech?
00:24 August 24, 2009 by Iraniboy

You and your Israeli fellows don't seem to be tolerant toward Muslims or I missed something?

Please stop being Off topic!! What do your think about that Palestinian guy who underwent an autospy after being shot dead by IDF?
00:26 August 24, 2009 by mafiopolo
I am not against any race. I am just pointing out that you are making fools of yourself out of this.

Just prove, the article is against Jewish race. It is about crimes done by IDF personnel.
00:38 August 24, 2009 by Paul Goodman
The original article insinuates a need based on boycotts and isolation of Israel. It then discovers a body that has been mutilated. It never proves anything and suggests that more has to be investigated. The editorial staff at Aftonbladet concur. Yet, the editors and author are playing with us really, but are unconscious of this.

The photograph that accompanies their news story is incendiary and hardly an example of "objective journalism." It is an example of a kind of "Left" journalism in which the Swedish left engages in "solidarity" with Palestinians. Yet, it is all a pseudo-solidarity really. The biggest sponsor of the Israeli government is the United States. Aftonbladet has not called for any campaign against the U.S. government. Perhaps they believe the US government is controlled by Israel (a myth that would let them off the hook on that score).

There is no evidence, just questions. It is just a moral formula for the Swedish "Left" to look good, score points, without doing much to authenticate and prove anything. The photograph is telling the reader that something is proven. Why? Because IF the accusation turns out to be false, then what was the point of the photograph? If the accusation turns out to be true, then there was a point to the photograph. Yet, the editor and the author both acknowledge that they don't have the complete facts.

Perhaps part of the IDF are trading in body parts. Perhaps not. We all want to know if this is a true story or a political creation of the Swedish Left. The Israeli government should investigate this story even if it is based on lies. They would be doing Sweden a favor (and themselves). I support this investigation. I would also like to investigate Aftonbladet which has done such a poor job in addressing Sweden's real problems and has a reporting team that should get more training from the university system.

I am really nauseated by this story which I never quite know is true, its reporting which strikes me as sloppy and based on inuendo, the Israeli government which is engaged in horrific policies and is tactically idiotic, the Swedish government which can't take the high road just engages in looking good, the "politically correct" tendency which never really challenges the power structures just exposes things, etc. A plague on all your houses.
00:54 August 24, 2009 by Transworld
Since Israel accuse Swedish people to be Anti-Semitic, i tried to found out what was the exact meaning of this expression...you will all be surprised by reading the few first pages of this book.

The politics of anti-Semitism By Alexander Cockburn, Jeffrey St. Clair

01:00 August 24, 2009 by kelvison
sweden ,you are a great country who helps to the needy all over the world. our slogan is peace and always it will be. sweden tells the truth,im not saying this news paper.sweden is one of the most honest countries on earth. we give refuge to any one who needs it ,any one who has any religion,race and etc. rest of the world should learn from us.we are a free country you like it or no,as our news papers are free.

the topic here is stolen organs,not muslims,jews,ikea.

please every one discuss about the topic.none of us knows it is true or false?

if you think its true or false tell your opinion.please dont bring hatered here.there is enough hatered in the world.if we want go off the topic we wont get anywhere.the interesting thing is alot of people here talk about everything apart from topic. be proud taking part in sweden`s english news.
01:02 August 24, 2009 by irit22
1/Do we also have to investigate ihe idea jews drink christians blood?

2/I was raised in a demortic country I understand the idea of fredom of speech I dont understand what is the problem to condem a blood plot a plot whuch I see is believed /

3. historically the muslims murdered less jews than the christains .As a woman i hate the womens status in the plastianian and muslim world

4/ the writer conected the organ claim to the jews in the usa hitler also talked about jews all around doing terrible things antisemitism brings to death of my people/
01:38 August 24, 2009 by Joshua M
This Aftonbladet's allegations are obviously false and attack Jews in general, not just Israel, since it also says, without proof, that US Jews are involved in the alleged conspiracy.

Aftonbladet's argument is based hearsay, on interviews with Palestinians alone. The problem with that is that Aftonbladet's subjects have strong motivation to lie, they each receive thousands of dollars in foreign aid each year and claims of victimisation could increase this amount. In addition, since we are dealing with a conflict here, it would not be hard to find people willing to lie to demonise the other side. A real reporter would check the facts.

Give me a day as a "reporter" among Sweden's immigrant population and I could easily get some of them to make awful accusations against Sweden and Swedes, since some would believe such claims of victimisation might benefit them.
01:49 August 24, 2009 by mafiopolo
Israelis stealing organs and selling in black market is a news all over. In US they arrested lots of people including Rabies.

Does Israelis think Sweden so vulnerable to apologies without doing or saying anything wrong about Jews?

They should address their anger towards the newspaper not Swedish Government or population.

now STFU.
02:20 August 24, 2009 by Joshua M
The claims of US Jews being involved in the "conspiracy" to steal organs represents some of the best proof that Aftonbladet is lying for racist purposes.

One Rabbi was arrested for selling a kidney (and admitted to being involved in many other organ sales), there has been no link made between the Rabbi's organ sales and Israel, and he didn't get them from Palestinians, he conned desperate people into selling their organs to him. To link him to the IDF without the slightest bit of proof isn't journalism, its lazy conspiracy theory at its worst.

That Aftonbladet feels the need to lie in order to accuse American Jews of stealing organs as well proves more about Aftonbladet than about Israel.

As for the photo, that is obviously from an autopsy, Israel verifies the cause of death of terrorists in order to defend itself from other false accusations that have been made by papers like Aftonbladet against Israel.

Obviously false claims like this should not be given official investigation as that would give them validation and encourage more false accusations.
02:36 August 24, 2009 by bioffe
@mafiopolo I think you should take ESL class again. Where did you read about anger towards population or government?

Sweden population is a bit anti-semitic. Nothing to be angry about. There are millions of other people who would kill jews on sight. Swedes are sweet puppies (Freedom of speech courtesy) comparing to them. This article exposed the lack of credibility Sweden media has today. Who cares :)

I understand Swedes must be a little Nazi due to demographic 0.158% growth rate. Given that about 17% are first generation immigrants, Darwin wouldn't place bets on you. And by the way, when naturalized Swedes will cut heads for natural ones(freedom of religion), Israel would be the least of your concern.

lycka till,

04:31 August 24, 2009 by bongo8
Have a look at this book, explained to me a lot about attitudes in scandinavia & sweden:

"Behind the Humanitarian Mask:

The Nordic Countries, Israel, and the Jews by Manfred Gerstenfeld" available on the internet for free as a PDF

on http://www.jcpa.org/text/nordic.pdf
04:59 August 24, 2009 by travels

You write..

"5,933,900 Estimated Jewish population annihilated

312,500,000 Top 10 death toll Wars"

Meaning for Jews to just get over the Holocaust.

In the whole of Israel there are less than 6,000,000 and about 13,000,000 worldwide. So 6,000,0000 being exterminated 60 years ago was a very large percentage of the total worldwide Jewish population (still is). And these people did not die fighting anything, whole families pulled from their homes, herded to concentration camps and exterminated, just for being Jews.

I guess if that happened to your whole family and everyone you know and most of the Swedish population (assuming you are from Sweden), you should just get over it.

Then many deny that it even happened, you are attacked time and time again, on top of that you see the same mentality that caused such a disaster continue on and on and no one really listens to you and you are the only ones you really have to protect and defend yourselves. What's your problem?, heck, just get over it!
06:26 August 24, 2009 by irit22

We really missed the antisimic claim that jews are crazy for money.Do you want to blame the jews for the crisis in the world now? I look at my children happy they will not meet as a minority racists like you
06:53 August 24, 2009 by bongo8
Hi Mongoloid!

Do you like how I call you? is this the right spelling?

What's your blood type? (Let's check if it's good for organ harvesting), Do you have the down syndrom?

Go be a tour guide in Teheran meet your colleague Ahmedinajad and smile with him to the Missile camera of the Israeli Air Force, at the end of the day it's a Kodak moment even for Mogoloids like you!

Thanks for the entertainment though.
07:07 August 24, 2009 by hagarthehorrible
I am an Israeli who did not believe that the Swedish people were so Anti Semitic, bias and full of hate. the Swedes I have met have been very nice people. However reading the comments on this sight I feel I may need to reevaluate my position.

This incident has nothing to do with Israeli actions the allegations are completely unfounded and full of lies, just like the previous comment that Ikea makes furniture from small Arab Babies. You do not have to investigate complete fabrication.

I would be ashamed of myself as a Swede to have such trash spewing from my newspapers
07:47 August 24, 2009 by Leprehcaun
@ hagarthehorrible

This newspaper have very few Swedes on it. Most don't even live in Sweden.

The allegations aren't unfounded. There are eyewitnesses and a body to support their claims. That means you haven't read the article, you're just yet another Israeli far right nationalistic fanatic.

It wasn't until I started reading this BS that I realized just how far gone you ppl (you Israelis) are.


It's ridiculous, the writer argues like a 4th grader (making that assumption since I haven't seen anyone arguing like that since 4th grade). It's filled with twists and outright lies. Also opinions are stated as facts even though what he claims isn't reality. You are nationalistic and oversensitive.

You think Israel is so f-ing great. You bombed a UNHQ just to kill Arabs, to scare them so that they would know that they are never safe. You are either stupid or brainwashed or just plain a§§h03ls; you're NOT an anti-semite because you say bad things about Israel (and there are lots of bad things to say) but you are so into thinking, "oh we are so great, how can anyone say anything bad about us unless they are nazis?"

I've had it with you now, all of you, until a couple of days ago I thought I sort of liked Israel, I actually considered you quite western. Every Israeli that has commented has been just like you. As is your politicians. You're just too much, I can't take anymore BS. I hate Israel and Israelis, you deserve everything bad that will happen to you, you're just as bad as the people you're fighting. No difference.
08:25 August 24, 2009 by hpunlimited
The Israeli government needs to go back to school and get some education. This is just embarassing for the Jewish people. Freedom of speech = Government does not get involved in what newspapers write. If the goverment were to get involved in what is "right or wrong" to write, then you have dictatorship. It is that simple!!
08:57 August 24, 2009 by benraph
I have just read all the comments on here, and i am truly shocked. There is so much hate and vile slander. I am English and thought England was racist, but after reading the comments, i think Sweden has top marks. Its amazing how the left in Sweden is very selective of the causes it supports, whilst the extreme right hates everyone equally. When the Gaza conflict was going on there was demonstrations by thousands of Swedes, and the UN estimated that 751 Civilians were killed, but when the Sri Lankan goverment was destroying the Tamils where the UN estimates at least 5000 Civillians killed there was barely a squeek. Is muslim blood better that Asian? Or is hating Israel or Jews easier? Why are the world so obsessed by Israel? A population of less than 7 million, smaller than Wales, how come it is in the news all the time? Some of you will answer because it commits war crimes and is racist and blah blah blah. But look honestly, look inside yourself, China executes people in vans, to harvest there organs easily, Iran has raped hundreds of guys and girls that were arrested from the protests, A model in malasia has just been caned because she was caught drinking alcohol, The UN has accused Sweden of being soft on rapists, Voters in afganistan have had their fingers cut off by the Taliban for voting. And most of you on here direct all your hatred all the worlds troubles against Israel. And then you say Jews cry Antisemitism. Where is that hatred really coming from?
09:24 August 24, 2009 by Red_swe84
i am praying God, Israel shoul dpunish Sweden. I wrote nearly 20 lines abt this , but this Local said that due to profanity, they are not publishing..

down sweden
09:25 August 24, 2009 by irit22
to the mongolian

1/I know I have terrible spelling mistakes I am dislected'

I am sorry .

Did you care when plastians directed missiles towards the childrens house in kibbutz nir am ?

2/anyone who tries to justify hatered torwards jews ia a racist . As Freud tells love and hate are connected to the subject not the object.

My jewish 4 year old daughter wants to eat .do you thInk I feed her plastinain organs
09:49 August 24, 2009 by Knowledge Protects
Last November, a local Tel Aviv paper Ha'ir ran a 12-page expose of Abu Kabir and revealed how the national lab allows medical students to practice on bodies sent there for autopsies, and transfers body parts for transplants without permission from the family of the deceased.

The family of Alastair Sinclair, a Scottish tourist, who, hanged himself in an Israeli jail, was forced to bring suit for the return of missing body parts.

University of Glasgow pathologists, who did an autopsy at the request of Sinclair's family, found that it had been returned without a heart (which they suspect was used for a transplant) and without the crucial bone needed to confirm the claim that he died from hanging.
10:10 August 24, 2009 by Knowledge Protects
Another example of the Israeli government taking its reactions too far is when the chairman of the Jewish congregation in Stockholm, Lena Posner, says in an Israeli interview (she lives in Sweden): "With all due respect, but he (Lieberman) is completely wrong", Posner says. She points to the fact that debate often is critical of Israel and that this is not exceptional to Sweden only. She also says: "To perpetually be bringing forward the Holocaust is not beneficial to us."
10:59 August 24, 2009 by Mikael Sweden
I am a Swede living in Sweden. This thread seems to have become a thread for fanatics! Almost all authors seem to live in another country.

To all,

I think I speak for many Swedes when I say this;

We do not hate Israelis. We do not hate Palestinians and arabs. We hope you can coexist and get along with each other.

About the article in Aftonbladet;

Aftonbladet have published an article where the facts may be true or untrue. Our constitution dictatets that they have the right to publish what ever they want.

To all of you who says its untrue, investigate and prove it. To all of you who belive this appaling story, provide more substantial evidence than an article in Aftonbladet. No other newspaper in Sweden, more serious ones, have published this story as true.

And when you investigate, leave the politics out of it.
11:13 August 24, 2009 by irit22

I dont like your agressive racist style .

I have people to help in mw work ( I am a "shrink") and children to raise.

I wish all the writers here and my people peace.
11:15 August 24, 2009 by Knowledge Protects
...or to quote these thoughtful words by a Haaretz (the Israeli newspaper) reader in one of its reader forums:

"This artificial crisis created by Lieberman and Netanyahu is designed to surpress any action Sweden may make as holders of the Presidency of the European Union.

Particularly as the EU has joined the US in calling for an immediate freeze on all settlements. A response to which Netanyahu will find near impossible when you consider Israel`s current dire economic predicament, and Israels absolute dependence on trade with the EU... "
11:18 August 24, 2009 by Rick Methven
Every time anybody from outside Israel criticises Israel or an Israeli institution. The system goes into overdrive to attack the commentator(s) and accuse them of being Anti-Semitic.

This is a callus calculated approach by successive Israeli governments to deflect criticism and avoid pressure for an official investigation. Israel plays again and again the Anti-Semitism card knowing that most countries have laws prohibiting anti-Semitism. Any and every comment or criticism that in any other democratic country would at least warrant some discussion and an investigation into the allegations are dismissed as Anti-Semitic propaganda.

Israel is always right, the IDF are saints, any Israeli who questions that stance is persecuted. Israel is not a democracy but a country under Zionist control. A minority of extreme right wing Ultra-Orthodox minority is calling the shots and permeating fear in the country of immanent attack from the rest of the world. This increases Nationalist fervour and an attitude of 'My Country Right or Wrong'.

When will ordinary Israelis wake up to the fact that there is good and bad in all. There are people of all nationalities, races and creeds that do things that are evil, including Jews. Netanyahu will NEVER take away my right to free speech and the right to question the actions of officials in any country.

I am a Swedish resident and support Carl Bildt on his stance, but I do decry the comments of some posts here that show so much hate.
11:35 August 24, 2009 by SamZ
Mogolianboy, your name, your ancestors and where you come from says it all, and you have been to, what? 46 countries,and have not learned anything? now who is with a bird size brain? you are just a hateful racist barbarian.
11:46 August 24, 2009 by Cornelius Hamelberg
It's all esaily done in two stages:

1. To take an official distance from the libellous AftonBladet artricle

2.To condemn it in no uncertain words....

The fallout continues unabated, and so it would should the same things have been said about the Swedish government and it's army, operating in Afghanistan:

11:48 August 24, 2009 by Dunga
Freedom of speech and freedom of organization is what caused the Weimar republic to fall to the hand of the Nazis, so please don't hide behind nice words. This is just to say that freedom is a relative thing, and democracy needs boundaries in order to protect itself. My question is, would the same newspaper have the guts to publish an article suggesting that Muslims are kidnaping christian children for medical research, for example? How would the government react to that? Would the Swedish government condemn such an article? What are the boundaries to remain politically correct, people? Can we just say anything to each other in the name of freedom of speech? Don't we take any responsibility at the same time?

Somebody said 'Those who don't learn the history are condemned to re-live it..'

Freedom doesn't exist by itself. You need boundaries to create freedom.

Maybe because this journalist acted out of insensitivity and a certain arrogance, since Sweden hasn't been involved in a conflict for hundreds of years, but the bottom line is that such an article would give handful of idiots around the world legitimacy to use this story to blame jews and Israelis for no matter.

Words can kill in most parts of the world, mr. Bolstrom. You may have gained temporarily central stage in order to boost your career. A little advice for next time: Be smart, not right.
11:54 August 24, 2009 by Realist Chick
In most countries who have a system based on the rule of law ( and I believe Sweden to be one of them) the person publishing accusations of a grave crime ought to prove them or be open to claims of Defamation.

Apparently everything can appear in Sweden's media, including racism and antisemitism , hate speech and others ( no wonder they call foreigner names in Sweden without fear of persecution!!) because it is protected in their constitution.

However I do not believe that defamation is protected speech in Sweden.

If it is you could still sue them in the European Court system....Israel should go ahead and sue for defamation. The IDF would very likely win a large settlement or a grant of damages. May I suggest the Israelis to take the proceeds of their claim to buy the IDF a brand new B52 bomber to protect Israel and thank Sweden media every time they use it against Lebanon or Hamas.....That should give Swedes something to think about.....and would give Sweden a participation in the conflict in the ME...the only one they are likely to have from now on...as they may have to stay on the sidelines( where they may well belong) of any real game in town after this antisemitic shot in the foot!!
11:59 August 24, 2009 by Stüpid
@Benraph. You have written Real Truth. I am sure you are a real matured person.
12:16 August 24, 2009 by asifbit
A while ago, when a right wing internet site in Sweden, (yes, Sweden), hurt the Muslims feelings by publishing negative articles against their so called prophet: Muhammad, the Swedish government not only condemned this action, they also shut the site down. (so much for what you guys are calling freedom of the press)

@Proud Israeli

What the donkey brain you have? how you can mix Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) matter with this matter? That was a pure religious matter and is very serious that's why Swedish government apologies. Whereas this matter is pure political matter. You can't say anything wrong against any religious because it is very serious.

The problem is that these guys are living in a country where nobody can say anything against Israel otherwise army kill him by saying terrorist. So they are not in the position of accepting that somebody writes something against Israel. So don't mind whatever they are saying. They can't do anything against Sweden because of freedom of speech. And they even don't know what freedom of speech is. Because in their country it is a pure criminal activity to write against Israel :-).
12:19 August 24, 2009 by Stüpid

I have seen Mongolians complaining only about China all their life. China also occupied south of Mongolia also. But, howcome you are complaining on a far far country like israel. Are you really a Mongolied? You mean showing your respect for china? You better complain on China if you are a real patriotic like other mongolians.
12:26 August 24, 2009 by Cornelius Hamelberg
It's all easily done in two stages:

1. To take an official distance from the libelous Aftonbladet article

2. To condemn it in no uncertain words....

The fallout continues unabated, and so it would should the same things have been said about the Swedish government and it's army, operating in Afghanistan, thus giving Sweden a bad name.


Several of the post are definitely over 1000 characters long - ( my first post which was 1,900 words long , was rejected. I was told to cut down to 1,000 characters maximum.

Have the rules changed ?
12:27 August 24, 2009 by Rick Methven

"Freedom of speech and freedom of organization is what caused the Weimar republic to fall to the hand of the Nazis"

Does this mean that you believe that our fredom of speach should be denied to prevent Sweden being taken over by the Sweden Democrats?

It is not freedom of speach that lead to the Nazi take-over in Germany but suppression of the freedom of the press and an all pervading propoganda machine that covered up the atrocities that where being carried out.

Any Newspaper that publishes anything, must first protect itself from action for libel by ensuring that there is enough evidence to support the allegations being made in the article. Freedom of speach and freedom of the press does not mean that anybody can say anything with impunity.

Freedom of the press does mean that all can read and draw their own conclusions. The Israeli government seems to want to deny the right of Swedes to make up their own mind and just to accept their version without debate.
12:30 August 24, 2009 by SamZ
Mongolianbaby:"Come on man, world needs people not like you"???

Excuse me, and what do you know about me?

Now, again you have proven me right, you are just a barbarian in a suite who eats the organs. How about respecting yourself to earn others respect. Peace
12:35 August 24, 2009 by Elias06
Israel should learn how to accept and tolerate medias citics from other countries . they never accept it and whenever a journalist criticize them they play the anti-semitic card (you will never do it to us again).

PLEASE (im talkign to our jewish friends) : DONT MIX everything ( human organs,swedish governement,immigration in sweden..)

please do not mix everything its a swedish journalist of a swedish newspaper who investigated and wrote this report its not the immigrants of sweden who wrote it.

Not every person who criticize israel is an arab an immigrant a terrorist plz stop creating problems among communities like that,you wanted palestine you have it you can have more lands arround if u feel so but please leave other countries live in peace . soon we will be all tired of you complaining all the time

by mixing everything you create problems among different communities,but again its your style since centuries : as we say in french "divize people and you will control everything"
12:39 August 24, 2009 by roihat168
@Mikael Sweden

I loved your comment, everybody in this site has allready decided what is the true. Sweden is not a anti... place but they don't agree with wars, any kind of war this is because they dont live in the middle east reality. Israel is surrounded by arabs and enemies, if those enemies see a weakness they try to fight. so Israel is always have to show her power after arabs' provocations. the swedes and the Israelies are both want to live in peace and they all want freedom(we dont force our women to cover all their body and killed them if they refuse to obey, our regime doesn't kill homosexual as well). so if you really look about that ,Israel and sweden regimes are more alike than Sweden and the arabs regime.
12:49 August 24, 2009 by Stüpid
Some people request to Israel and say " please leave us in peace, let us print what we want"

Who let the dogs out? Who kept the fire?

After making false statements they ask peace now. Better to be careful in first hand would'nt be such contraversies.

Now, who sent the Jews to Israel by gathering all of them in ships? It's the EU heirs who sent them to stay there. So, EU is to be blamed for all the conflicts over there.
13:20 August 24, 2009 by Iraniboy
@peropaco and imai

It shows that something seriously mulfunction in your brain that you couldn't notice that Aftonbladet didn't post nude picture of Moses and didn't accuse him of what you said. It's so unfortunate that it's so hard for your grasp the difference between criticism of an Army to insulting of someone.I know that you know it!! Since you have no valid argument to defend yourself, you need to insult other to provoke them and create an insulting atmosphere rather than a discussion forum!
13:27 August 24, 2009 by peropaco
@Iraniboy. They could publish all the pictures of Musa or if they can find one of Allah naked then by all means. The more the merrier.
13:28 August 24, 2009 by delusion1982
@i mai: Yes it is your right to write anything you want, but religious-hatred and racism are not tolerated in the Swedish constitution.

It is your right to write, and our write to think that you are a dumb ass, racist and hateful Zionist, who instead of coming here to show the world something positive about the Israelis, is just being idiotic and meaningless, and causing more harm to his nation.

Ok, we are convinced that you are all violent, angry, hateful, and racists. Your campaign is successful, leave the forums and go do what you are used to do. Kill and terrorize Palestinians.
13:29 August 24, 2009 by Cornelius Hamelberg
"The problem is that these guys are living in a country where nobody can say anything against Israel otherwise army kill him by saying terrorist."

Is this true? Of course not. Aren't you familiar with the Israeli and Palestinian media ?

Then who is this Ahmad Tibi that has been quoted so many time sin this thread?


Press freedom in Sweden:

13:46 August 24, 2009 by Iraniboy

No they shouldn't. You still can't distinguish between a insulting and expressing opinion. Expressing opinion is like saying "Muhammad, Moses and all Abrahamic prophets were not true and ther is not such a thing as God." $and then more discussion and ...but when you show naked pictures of someone or call it a**hole,... it means you have no intention to discuss or express your opinion. You just want to provoke by insulting. Or when you talk about "Arabs" instead of saying Hamas or...it means your problem is their ethnicity hence you're awfully racist!

Back to the topic. Shouldn't an Israeli official explain about that poor guy whom we see in that picture? Oh wait a minute! If they explained why they attacked they UN Base in Lebanon, they would explain about this too!!!
14:02 August 24, 2009 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Iraniboy and Mongoliaboy and all Muslims past and present on this planet , let me join you in denouncing the one or ones who has said these terrible things about the prophet of Islam salallahu alaihi wa salaam, here.
14:04 August 24, 2009 by Audrian
Guys: This discussion forum is loosing focus. The question is, should the Swedish government apologies to the Israeli government?

Those who claim heinous crimes are being committed by Israeli Defense Force (IDF) on the defenseless Palestinians should present their sources so that the world would learn more about the cruelty of that society or part of that society. Those who counter argue should show how the sources presented were unreliable. In this respect, one example that stands out is a recent UN report about the atrocities committed by IDF in Gaza. The report does not have rude words or slanders but the hard facts. The only thing the Israeli government was able to say was it was biased hoping that readers would have doubts in their mind.

If we do not focus on the subject, we will fall in the trap that aggressive governments skillful lay for us. At the beginning of this discussion two people have identified two sources that are incriminating sources. I would like to see more of this kind of sources presented.
14:12 August 24, 2009 by roihat168
@Irani boy

"You still can't distinguish between a insulting and expressing opinion" this is nonsense, accorging to you I can advertise a story that your sister is a whore - how do I know? I have a withness who told me that he saw her taking money for sex, In addition I post your sister picture and here I have an article. now can you really prove that your sister is not a whore??? of course not and this is exactly like the organs article.
14:35 August 24, 2009 by Iraniboy
Thanks Cornelius, Mongolianboy, Delusion1983 and all liberal posters in this forum.


First of all, accusing of a person is more complicated that accsuing an Army!! It is a moral accusation againt an army that has already proved that they have no respect for moral values even to those who are not enemy! Second, this picture is not a simple dead person. This dead body with all those stitches is very suspecious. It just calls for furthur investigation.
14:39 August 24, 2009 by Arabian
Saudi is Great. We control whole middel east. Everybody are slaves to arabs.
14:45 August 24, 2009 by roihat168

1.I dont know if you an anti-isreali or just an idiot, the IDF gave the people of Gaze water and food DURING A WAR , let me example of another army which do such a moral thing.

2.even the author admit that there is no proof to this accusation and it just his opinion, the case is from 1992 why the family didnt complained then ???

because now it is impossible to prove otherwise.
15:08 August 24, 2009 by dink
hey ppl,

i am an south Asian student in Göteborg. i have seen swedish staffs, fellow students who are extremely racist. I have had fellow worker who calls me black at times directly at my face... its not that swedes are really perfect to only accuse about Israel....

swedish police are inefficient, swedish army just follows watever order america issues so for Gods sake... its Israel army who are trying to protect their country.... when it comes to countries threat even america will do the same... maybe sweden too...
15:26 August 24, 2009 by Iraniboy

1) Are you kidding me? There are very few armies in the wrold that attack Red cresent ambulances, UN bases,..as IDF do!! Do you remember their T-shirts? "Shot One Kill Two" with an Arab picture on the background.


I am a west Asian student in Göteborg. I haven't see any notion of racism here except those far-right groups that I haven't come across in the city/uni/,.. yet. Swedes are just shy. When they don't speak to you, it doesn't mean they are racist, it is because they are too shy to initiate a conversation or look directly into someones' eye.

Swedish police is inefficient.Lol. Swedish army? Lol where did you see them exactly? Sweden doesn't follow US as much other countries do.

Protecting is different from attacking children or ambuslances and...
15:52 August 24, 2009 by kunta
too much hate from both critics and supporters; i really don't like what I read. It pains me when I read all the hate about immigrants, Africans (yea, i'm from that continent) but the problem I have noticed after reading many of the comments on this site is that people fail to make a connection between different the plights of different people who are subordinated and for that reason you find people who are supposed to be on the same side fighting each other (this is not to suggest that any particular group of people are the enemy).

I think the maltreatment of Jews, notably during the holocaust; innocent civilians as we saw in Iraq under Saddam and during the invasion of Iraq by Bush; minorities in many societies -Africans in Europe and the USA ; the Burakumin in Japan; women in every society -especially women in Muslim countries; homosexuals in all societies- especially in non-Western countries and so on are all barbaric and people should be really concerned when any of these groups are under attack. It is everybody's problem and affects us all directly or indirectly .

That said, i don't see any problem with us having a debate on different issues but we should be respectful and avoid making wild and crazy generalizations. Maybe there are some evil people in Israel but I don't think every Jew is evil, maybe Aftonbladet is bias or antisemitic but i am not sure that Swedes in general are like that, after all when Jews were being persecuted across Europe in the 1940s Sweden was one of the few nations on earth that gave them sanctuary.
15:53 August 24, 2009 by morkusrex
UN bases? Maybe used to be before the war.

Those buildings were just another Hammas terrorist base. Therefore, it was attacked.

What would you do if your country was being fired at from withing UN bases when you know occupied by terrorists?


Israel proved it was occupied by Terrorists. This school was all wired with hammas explosives.

The IDF is NOT holy nor perfect. It has flaws and many of them.

But the fact is that it's still the most MORAL army on this PLANET.

No other army supply water to an enemy who started a war on its country.

No other army supply food to an enemy who started a war on its country.

No other army supply electricity to an enemy who started a war on its country.

No other army supply Medical aid to an enemy who started a war on its country.

No other army takes his enemies to its hospitals within its country to treat the enemy who few minutes ago tried to kill it.

No other army makes sure the enemy knows where its going to be hit so civilians won't be killed.

No other army danger his own soldier so less civilians would be killed.

Morality is actually the biggest flaw of the IDF. Morality is the weak point of the IDF.

The fact is that if the Palestinian-Arabs were fighting another country instead of Israel. Most likely there would be no Gaza anymore.

16:02 August 24, 2009 by Igor.P.

16:13 August 24, 2009 by azerty
One million civilians - that's the number of casualties in iraq to this moment, And this was in 8 years. About 40,000-50,000 arabs were killed by Israel (Israels figures are at the same magnitude, a little less).

Someone explained it better than me: "Some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

The deaths in the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1950 include 32,000 deaths due to Arab state attacks and 19,000 due to Palestinian attacks, or 51,000 . Arabs make up roughly 35,000 of these dead and Jewish Israelis make up 16,000.

The Syrians killed almost 30,000 Muslims February 2, 1982 at the Hama massacre

Jordan against Black Sept. 25,000 Arabs/Muslims killed 1971

Algeria has killed over 200,000 Arabs/Muslims between 1991-2006

Wow! With the Jews controlling the media you would think we would all know about these events and others!"
16:16 August 24, 2009 by Igor.P.
In the WW2 , We (Jews) were abandoned by all people all over the world.

Sweden was one of those countries that knew everything and did nothing

Jews were led to their death like ships with no army or country to protect them.

After this, those who survived had no chance but to create a shelter, a country in which they will be able to protect them self from any future harm. This is never been an issue of land for Jews, but the issue of survival. Every time the relevance of our place in this world is issued by those countries that muted they voice than is a pile of salt on an open wound now.

The Jews / Palestinian/ world conflict is obvious and expected. The Palestinians do not understand why they should be punished by the poor faith of the Jews. The Jews were placed once again under the thread of destruction by fanatical movement manifestoes.

Those countries that muted they voice in the WW2 are blind and anemic when it comes to the issue of Jews but unequally supportive to the other side. And the world is all surprised that the Jews are screaming and fighting….

Don't you understand, I (Jew) will fight to the last drop of my blood for my and my children's right to survive in this world, while you Swedish will hmm your self lazy in your comf. Living rooms, writing lectures and critics on how should we behave.

This is the real genome of this historical conflict, your ignorance and our survival instinct…

The Palestinian issue will solve it self when this genome will be corrected.
17:21 August 24, 2009 by Paul Goodman
First, a lot of the comments I read above were racist: I reported them as abuse against either (a) Jews, (b) Swedish immigrants, or (c) some combination of the above. As for immigrants going back to where they came from, Sweden is a nation based on immigrants and the blonde haired and blue eyed ones are also descendants from immigrants. Let's be honest about that.

Really, can't one understand that the newspaper article can be idiotic, shabby journalism even if Israel has been dominated by imperialist and paranoid lunatics whose policies generate the violence that they combat? Why does everyone take an EITHER OR position?

Finally, let's face it. Many immigrants in Sweden are being screwed over and Aftonbladet never really deals with that because it would alienate too many of their core supporters.
17:33 August 24, 2009 by azerty
thank you paul goodman, some sane at last...
19:00 August 24, 2009 by morkusrex

I agree.

If tomorrow a Swedish newspaper will post an article:

"Swedish Prime Minister, Reinfeldt, raped a 15 years old girl ...."

Of course no one will say a word. It is freedom of speech!! Sweden supports it!

Sweden is all pink and no one will do anything about an article as such.

Thank you Johnny for enlightened us.
19:19 August 24, 2009 by morkusrex
And no one would say or do anything to that reporter if he would say what he did in some internet forum. But it was on the newspaper, and if the the headline in my last comment was on a Swedish newspaper - That reporter probably would be working anymore (at least that).
20:15 August 24, 2009 by morkusrex
I wouldn't check here over and over again if it wasn't :)

BTW, Israel is all for freedom of speech but I think there's always the need for boundaries. Everywhere. Also, as opposed to what people think, the Israeli newspapers are not always so blind pro-Israeli. In the last two wars there were many articles against our action as well as for them. There is freedom of speech here but again - Boundaries.

When rockets were fired toward our cities, news reported where it hit..not intentionally - Helping the enemy to aim better.

So..Our government told the news to put censorship on the reports.

Sometimes too much freedom is not acceptable.

"Freedom of speech" - Wiki :

"According to the Freedom Forum Organization, legal systems, and society at large, recognize limits on the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other values or rights.[21] Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or "hate speech".[22] Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction and/or social disapprobation."
21:42 August 24, 2009 by Leprehcaun

First of all I am glad I have finally found what I was looking for.

About Israel valuing democracy and blahablaha. Yeah sure whatever but let's compare the two, shall we?

Since press freedom is the most important thing here I'll take that first.

I am surprised to see that Sweden is so far down on this list.. I'm used to find us on the top spot.. or at least on second or third. Anyway, Sweden has the world's 7th most free press in the world, with a score of 3 (apparently the lower the better, the leading ones have a score of 1.5), Israel has the world's.. eh.. oh right.. 46th most free press in the world. Score 8.83. Flawed. Hell you're even beaten by the US (hahaha). But at least you beat ehm.. Hong Kong, China. Good for you :).


Sweden, a "full democracy", the most democratic country in the world. Israel, a "flawed democracy", 38th most democratic country in the world. Sweden's score, near perfect, 9.88.


Political culture 9.38.

Political participation 10.00.

Functioning of government 10.00

Electoral process and pluralism 10.00.

Israel? Score, 7.48.

Civil liberty, 5.29! DON'T lecture us about liberty or anything that comes with it. Like free speech etc etc. What you call liberty we call very limited liberty.

Political cul.. 7.50

-||- partic 8.33

Functioning of gov.. 7.50

Electoral proc.. 8.75

There was something else but finding a list with all countries on one single list and not region by region took too long, I've forgotten what it was. I'll take it later if at all necessary.
22:16 August 24, 2009 by imai
The deletion of my words only prove Sweden's colored policy and its government's prejudice.

It's fair enough for Isreal-haters to write here each lie they wish about my nation, the jewish people (even those who have nothing to do with my country) and worng, WRONG facts about the jewish conducting over the WW2.

Those evil comments are allowed by the "Freedom of Speech"

but my own criticism over the Islamic policy is not allowed under the pure principle of freedom of expression.

Even if people here didn't like my response, it was much better compare to other people on this site, with their "pretty words" and "gentle soul" who wrote those

slanders against my country and army.

Let's see if any of you will be dare to criticize the policy of Arab and Islam states like Iran, Sudan, Iraq or Afghanistan.

What is the matter??? Do you afraid of saying bad criticism on their policy so you turn your own frustration to my state?

Or are you honestly believe that those country are free from any illegal act against human rights and unethical deeds?
23:11 August 24, 2009 by azerty
imai, just shut up - this is not YNET here. Leprechon, I've been reading about some of these indices, and what can I say, Israel is a flawed democracy just like you said. Nonetheless, it's a free country, it's the most democratic country in the region, and there are many bright sides in here. You're welcome to read more about it, or visit. As for the freedom of press index, it's not reflecting. For example, in 2002, Israel was ranked 30.00, higher than countries like sierre leone, Sri Lanka, Thailand and little lower than countries like Egypt and Jordan. In 2003 it was ranked 8.00, right next to Japan and Spain. What have changed between 2002-2003? Nothing as far as I know. Intifada was still raging, Sharon was a PM. This indice is based on a questionaire for journalists, so it hardy reflects anything. I don't think Israel could be compared to Sweden, it's idiotic anyhow. Israel has high expenditures on securuty and have to face problem that don't exist in Sweden, such as large groups of minorities (20% arab civilians), multiethnics, continuous pressure from surounding countries, fanatics from all religions are all gathered in Israel (it's the Jerusalem syndrom i guess). On the other hand, Sweden has the longest period of peace in the world, don't compare.
00:51 August 25, 2009 by morkusrex
Leprechon, your post was the most worthless post in here. one of them anyway.

Lets do another worthless comparison:

Television vs Toaster.

Toaster got 8.9 on food ability.

Television got 0.5!!!!

tha'ts right television, what you call dinner we call snack!

oh.. television got a better score on number of channels...with a score of 10 vs 0 on the toaster..

Bread ability...

That was another worthless comparison for you :)
01:07 August 25, 2009 by Moshe
A question of freedom of speech is not the issue, anymore?

Sweden's support of the press, regardless of facts not gathered by the press, and it's defensive response to the government of Israel, reflects a racist, Swedish goverment.

The Swedish government might have stated "The Swedish government believes in the freedom of speech but in this case, the government does not support the news article because it lacked the evidence to support it's claim."

Freedom of the press or freedom of speech does not mean you have a right defame another person or government. When you defame a person and the facts are not true, you open yourself to a legal action. When, a newspaper defames a nation like Israel, and the nation (Sweden) fails to condemn racist comments, the nation being defamed should not have any commuications with the government(Sweden).

Sweden's arguementative stance defending an un-verifiable news article is reprehensible and wrong.
01:08 August 25, 2009 by I Love it when ...
sweden and israel both need to chill out.
01:14 August 25, 2009 by the.dude.continues
there is a revealing story in the main and most popular israeli newspaper. revealing the killing of Norwegian fishermen, and "harvesting" their feet for use in the Gravad lax industry. (for getting some fungus out of the feet)

sound reliable and convincing.

here a link (in Hebrew)


and here's a tarnslation from google translator

02:49 August 25, 2009 by Joel Weymouth
You Swedes love those Muslims, what do you think they will do to your permissive culture when there are more of them than you? I see the Muslims in this make their comments but I have traveled and lived in their countries. Let me just let you in on a little secret my poor deluded gullible Swedish brethren (on my Fathers side) . If you were living in a Muslim Country, you would be forced to conform to their religion and their social mores or you would either be expelled or killed as simple as that. Isn't it funny the big bad mean "racist" Europeans allow the Muslims to exist in freedom and safety. They would not return the favor. And as far as the Palestinians are concerned, the Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians, and Arabs have constantly slaughtered them. They are the cannon fodder to be used to fight Israel. The Arabs refer to them as N##$#. You can have all the self hate you want, I am a white European Christian and appreciate the positive influence of Judaism on the US and Europe. I also know how much positive influence Islam - had on Europe(and don't give them credit for Algebra, they stole that from the East Indians) - ZERO. Wake up guys, and forget about your pro-NAZI past.
04:44 August 25, 2009 by FreedomLover48
What in the world is wrong with the Swedes and other Europeans? Did you not learn your lesson after WWII. I visited the United States Holcaust Museum not long ago. When reading the old newspaper articles right before the Holocaust, I just stood there and all I could say was, "OhMyGod, it's exactly what is happening today. Go to seconddraft.org and read where the Palestinians have made ludicrous claims like this many times. It isn't freedom of the press to print flat-out lies/propaganda.

This certainly does explain, though, why Sweden is being taken over by radical Muslims. Yes, we all know the police/ambulances will not even go into certain parts of Sweden's third largest city. I also read an interview where Muslim extremists were laughing and talking about how easy it was to steal from the Swedes because they were so ignorant. That was a scary article. I also read where the Swedes are moving out of their country "in droves" because of their Muslim extremist population. Wake up, people!
04:47 August 25, 2009 by kqy597

unemployment for Swedes people reaching 70%. Imagine Swedes completely and totally dependent to Jews for food and water. Imagine untold losses from physical destruction of Swede homes, public buildings, agricultural assets and infrastructure just because you are a Swede. Imagine the loss of your home, the confiscation of your land and water resources just because you are Swede. Imagine Swede women and Swede children displaced out of their home because some Jew (with nuclear weapons) believes God gave them your land. Imagine not being able to access doctors, hospitals or other needed services just because you are Swede. Imagine arbitrary arrest and detention without any judicial process whatsoever just because you are Swede. Imagine 41 checkpoints that you have to go through as you try to go from your tent in an open air concentration camp to the store just because you are Swede. Imagine a barrier 24 feet high with trenches 16 feet deep loaded with sensors, land mines, and stacks of barbed wire just to keep "the Swede" in her place. If you can imagine this, then it's not hard to imagine a bunch of money grubby jews harvesting children's organs for profit.
06:37 August 25, 2009 by the.dude.continues
your hypocrisy amazed me. so here some TRUE FACTS against your HATE and LIES.

FACT 1: Between 1962-1954, France killed 600,000 Algerian muslims in Algeria independence war. Algeria claims this number is more like 1,000,000

FACT2: Between 1972-1955 in the first civil war in Sudan, by moderate estimates 500,000 died. in 1983 the second civil war started, but it was a real genocide. the arabs Muslims murdered 1.9 Millions other ethnics, and non-muslims. in the last genocide, that is still happening todAy in Darfur, The arab-muslim government killed 500,000 of other ethnics. Total in sudan - between 2.6m - 3m. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 3: Afghanistan - during the soviet invasion, between 1979 till 1989, 1m to 1.5m civilians were killed. after the soviet withdrawal, and till the American invasion, 1M more civilians were killed in the civil was between the different groups. after the american invasion, about 10,000 each year. (which is less then the 100,000 average a year, during the Taliban regime) Total dead: 2m - 2.5m. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 4: Somalia . since 1977, between 400,000 to 550,000 dead. partly in warfare, partly in organized mass starvation and civic bombing. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 5: Bangladesh: In 1971, those people tried to get away from Pakistan. Pakistan retaliated with systematically mass massacre between 1m to 2m peaceful muslim Bengals, many farmers. researchers in the world, call it the third genocide since the Holocaust. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 6: Indonesia between 1966-1965, in a Communist uprising, 400,000 muslims were massacre, by their own people. in 1975 east-timor declared independent. soon after, Indonesia invaded, till the withdrawal in 1999, between 100,000 to 200,000 men died. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 7: Iraq-Iran: In the war between them, 450,000-650,000 Iraqis, and 450,000-970,000 were killed. between 1992-1991, there was Shi'ite uprising in Iraq, between 40,000-200,000 shiates were murder by Saddam. add to that, the genocide done by Saddam, of the Kurd, between 200,000-300,000. after the first gulf war, around 500,000 iraqies died from lack medicine & food, because Saddam preferred to buy some other stuff. since the american occupation, between 100,000 to 150,000 were killed by Shiites killing Sunnites and vice versa. total of: 1.5m-2m Iraqis. 450,000-950,000 Iranians. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 8: Yemen: 1962 -1970 Civil war - between 100,00 to 150,000 muslim Yemeni dead. Egypt interfered in that war, and did war crimes, by using chemical gas. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 9: Chechnya - first Chechnya war, between 50,000 to 200,000 Chechnyan dead. the second war, between 30,000 to 100,000. total of 80,00 to 300.000 depend of who you ask. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.
07:07 August 25, 2009 by Uncle
The dude continues - you are the King!

Meanwhile rockets are falling on Israel and The Local and Aftonbladet are quiet like mice....
07:16 August 25, 2009 by the.dude.continues
FACT 10: Jordan - in 1971-1970, the Jordenian army, invaded the Palestinian refuges camps and killed between 10,000 to 25,000 Palestinians. again, depends on who you ask. - The JEWS and the Israelis was NOT there.

FACT 11 : SO compare to the above, how many Arabs you think died in th ISRAELI-ARAB CONFLICT ??? from all the place it take in the press, must be much much bigger than the above, RIGHT ??? at least 10 millions, RIGHT ??? WRONG !!!! by all accounts, around 60,000 Arabs were killed in the Israeli-Arab conflict since 1948 war, till this day. the MOST of this number, are SOLDIERS that been killed in Israel-Arab countries big wars. mostly Egypt, Syrian and Jordanian.

you don't care about the millions of Muslims killed by other muslims & by other European countries in the last 50 years, and the hundreds of thousands still killed each year.. you only care about arab-muslims that killed by Israeli.

and that is, in their fight (of Israelis) to survive in the only country they have. and all of this is after, a massacred of THIRD (6 millions) of the Jewish people in Europe only 65 years ago. you are the last who can lecture morality to the Jews. and they says it can't happen again in Europe... yea, right. especially with this kind and so familiar middle ages blood libel

Which is leading to only one conclusion. Its not of your deep love & sympathy to the Palestinians. Its of your hatred to the state of Israel, and anything that is Jewish.

Look at yourself in the mirror, and at least admit it to yourself.
07:24 August 25, 2009 by Leprehcaun
@ The dude continues

Well. Those are facts, they are just completely irrelevant. We're.. "discussing" whether it is Sweden or Israel that has done something wrong here. I certainly don't care whether you're worse than France or the Arabs or whoever, it has NOTHING to do with what we're "talking" about.

@ azerty

Fine so nvm the freedom of the press thing, there's no way things changed that much so fast unless they changed the way the measure that freedom. About going to Israel, I thought I wanted to do that, I thought I sort of liked the country and the ppl and I guess I mostly looked between my fingers when they did something because of the situation they're in. The UNHQ bombing? A one time slip up and worse things has happened to them.

But this whole thing, this ridiculous article.. I haven't seen one Israeli (that i know is an Israeli) that doesn't make this into something it isn't. My grand father was a volunteer in WW2, calling him and his and my generations nazis is very offending. Calling us anti-semites is offending and doesn't reflect reality. Israel's army is often criticized but so are almost all armies that fight, especially the US army. I hate ultra-nationalistic parties (one of which apparently is the third biggest in Israel) and this is one my proofs that voting for the Sweden Democrats is a very stupid idea, this is what happens when you do that. They don't need to be in majority, being the third largest is enough for them to make a lot of noise and they can easily call people who don't support them traitors to the country, win more votes and just further push their hateful agendas and create diplomatic crises one after another. And then there's the growing hatred and brainwashing that leads to racism and justifications of treating others bad.

But Sweden also has large minority groups. 17.6% of the population was born abroad or has had both their parents born abroad, not to mention half Swedes and third generation immigrants.

@ morkusrex

The comparison has very much to do with the discussion. May Israelis here have said so many things about democracy, liberty, freedom of speech and press freedom. Those numbers compare what people in both countries are used to. To the Israelis who wrote they think that the liberty they have is full liberty and what was written in this newspaper wouldn't be be published there. Not for the sake that eyewitnesses and pictures of the corpses are enough to raise the question of what happened (oh and the newspaper didn't say that the corpses were harvested from organs, it said that the parents THOUGHT that that was the reason for them being murdered and cut like guinea pigs) but because the government there controls what people shouldn't read so it has very much to do with this discussion.
08:29 August 25, 2009 by the.dude.continues
@ Leprehcaun

It has everything to do with issue. it shows your unbelievably bias toward Israel, while systematically ignoring many much greater problems in the world. (and from not that far History, I strongly believe that at the bottom, it's based on pure anti-Semitic)

now about freedom of speech. there is no limit to lies ? i mean, if tomorrow there will be new article in a Swedish newspaper, about let say, that Israel kidnap Arab children, and eat them alive. and that with no proof whatsoever and just hearsay of people that you know hates israel, is it ok ? i mean, freedom of speech and all. what about if it is not Israel.... what if it's about Jew people living in Sweden, and story in newspaper come that he kidnap Swedish children for the same purpose ... is it still ok ?

and what if the story goes in a major American newspaper, and its about Sweden? that Sweden had kidnapped children from Norway, and eat them alive ? its is still ok, you know, freedom of speech..... ?

this sounds crazy to you ? same as that the published story sounds to us.

but the Different between the Swedish and the Jews , that we, the Jewish people, have a long and bitter history with that kind of crazy stories about us. we called them blood libels. and we have a collective memory of how this stories usually end. they end with a mob burning Jews alive. sounds far fetch ? learn the history of Europe, learn the history of your country in particular. check for the episodes about the Jews. and learn the history of Europe just 65 years ago.

In the middle ages, there was a partial story that came back over and over in Europe. It went about "The Jews makes Matzot (speciall bread that use in a jewish holiday), from the blood of Cristian boy, after killing him." - Tens of thousands of Jews died on the stakes because of that particular blood libel.

and the story that was in that newspaper, sounds and smells exactly like that to us.
11:02 August 25, 2009 by Leprehcaun
@ the dude

No. You're lying and twisting the truth and everyone, including you, knows that.

Eating children? Don't be ridiculous, that's just a stupid manipulative example. This wasn't totally made up. There was a body and oh wait.. I think there's something REALLY important here. The paper DIDN'T say that they were harvested for organs, it said that the parents BELIEVED that the reason that their sons looked like that was because they were harvested (because there is no other logical reason to cut someone up in a Y-section, the only reason you cut someone like that is to remove the organs and that is why they BELIEVED that they were harvested).

What is it with you and children? You always compare this to writing an article about children. You're all pathetic, just stop. At worst the reporter shouldn't have believed that they were executed by the the only ones who would want them dead and perhaps they shouldn't have included what the family thought had happened.

Oh and btw, if it isn't obvious that ("and what if the story goes in a major American newspaper, and its about Sweden? that Sweden had kidnapped children from Norway, and eat them alive ? its is still ok, you know, freedom of speech..... ?") wouldn't be the same. If there were pictures showing a child with bite marks on them and family members who claimed that that had happened THEN it would be the same, then it wouldn't be unbased, JUST LIKE this article.

You don't know us so you can't call us anti-semites, we're not (and this is the last f-ing time I say it). I know my country's history very well, much better than most other people here (since I'm Swedish and almost no one else here is). Our neutrality is a whole lot mroe complicated than jsut being neutral, it's nothing we decieded when it came, we had been neutral for 140 years before that and we didn't know what was going on in Germany, to us it was an act of revenge for the treaty of Versailles (which Hitler often talked about). There were lots of other neutral countries too and the only reason they got nvloved wa because Hitler needed to control them, besides, Sweden had nothing to do with that treaty. I'm gonna leave that or else I'll write an essay. On principle we were wrong not to do more (though there was nothing we could do militarily, we couldn't transport our troops into Germany, Sweden was a poor country but we did take in 10s of 1000s of Jewish refugees (and that was when we became that kind of a country)).

Major American news media writes and tell lies about us every week, there is no reaction. Turkey has made a documentary (that a primary school pupil can prove to be wrong) that is MUCH worse than this ridiculous thing. THERE WAS NO REACTION (from the people, the media or the government).

Ok I was building up to make a point but I've written too much (meaning I've forgotten what it was, maybe you can figure it out).. sigh and I gtg anyway.
13:15 August 25, 2009 by azerty
Leprehchaun I don't like these ultra-nationalistic parties as well, and this Lieberman guy gives me the creeps...I also think that bringing all the holocaust thing was to much, and ridiculed him in the eyes of Swedes. Obviously this guy aimed his words to Israeli public as populistic ideas that will gain him some more popularity among public. That's what so dangereous about radical parties, from right and left wings. Always aiming low, always simplifying the reality.

So basically, that's exactly what this Aftonblat paper did. simplifying and distoting the reality, spreading words to the air, words that will eventually reach their destination. Always the lowest common denominator. You seem to be really offended by the accusation of being antisemic or racist. Since this Aftoblat used such low allegations, such cheap and yellow arguments, it would be expected that someine will go down to the same level. I don't like it either...freedom of speech.

So eventually, you're offended by accusation of being nazis, Israelis are offended by accusation of being slaughterers and butchers (they're very sensitive, middle easterns...). The point is clear I think, nothing to add about it.... About problems in Sweden, again - don't try to compare. The only thing that comes close to be Sweden in the middle east, and even Asia, is Israel. There are reasons for that. Some of them are related to european exploitation, some to traditional and tribal character of the cultures in here. The main reason is the current instability in the region. BTW, you said that half Swedes are third generation imigrants. Well, Most Israelis are first or second generation immigrants. There are immigrants from Africa, from north africa, Asia, europe, the americas. This maybe one of the most diverse society in the world. And all at all, we've done pretty well giving the circumstances.

good day my friend
14:29 August 25, 2009 by potato man
'Imagine there's no countries

It isn't hard to do

Nothing to kill or die for

And no religion too

Imagine all the people

Living life in peace'

-John Lennon

Difficult to imagine any of that when you read the angry, righteous, fearful and sad posts above.
15:07 August 25, 2009 by Leprehcaun
@ azerty

Nonono. I meant half Swedes AND third generation immigrants. 17.6% was born abroad (or has had both their parents born abroad) and on top of that there are both half Swedes and third generation immigrants.

I don't believe that this was written out of hatred or something like that, I honestly believe that this reporter really believes in what he/she wrote.. but I've heard he wrote an article like this one in 2001 so I'm not totally sure.. but I really can't believe that a Swedish journalist would do something that.. stupid-"assholic"-rude-whateverwordisthemostfitting. It's like considering a police officer to be corrupt, the idea is amusing. It's like imagining a buddhist in an orange robe walking up to a random person and saying "f-ck you".. that's why I'm objecting. I'm really confused, this isn't logical and it "can't" be like that ("that" meaning.. ehm.. anti-semite or whatever).

Why all the sensitivity? I just don't get it.. I've heard ppl who say they should nuke because of this and that's just so.. wow. What's so terrible? I mean surely there are worse things happening (?)..
15:32 August 25, 2009 by Prosweden
Oh Oh

Palestinian family: We didn't say organs taken


16:20 August 25, 2009 by Frances Tait
Are all Israeli soldiers Jewish? Does it follow that this article on your site should also be condemned?:

Firm probed for illegal corpse tissue trade

Published: 25 Aug 09 14:41 CET

Not in my book.

Not all Arabs are terrorists. Not all Jewish people steal organs. But if there are some that do, they should be exposed, whatever their race, nationality or gender. Period.
17:02 August 25, 2009 by browneyes10
you can not make Israeli to understand`the real truth. They are far away from God blessings and they can not face to truth.

Just type '' The Miracle of Pharaoh in the Quran'' on you tube page and carefully look and hear it.

Shame on you Israeli for harvesting human organs.
17:04 August 25, 2009 by azerty
To Frances, thank you for mentioning not all jewish ppl steal organcs, this is very humanitarian of you. But the problem is that you suggest that this story is true, and some jews kill and steal organs. And if it's not true, this is a serious allegation that's abble to damage Israel's reputation and worse. If it is true, please investigate and condemn. You should be careful about these things.

For example, what if someone decided to spread stories about weapons of mass destruction in a far far away country, and this person has an interest of harming this imaginary country? The results could be catastrophical (in theory). It could result over a million casaulties.

Not that I suggest that it relates in this case. Here it is just insulting and iresponsible. And I do think this reporter is motivated by prejudism and political views, and not necessarily by the truth (even if he truely believes what he says).

Leprehchaun, I guess you were joking about corrupt policemen but still I don't get, how can you believe such stories?
18:12 August 25, 2009 by Prosweden
@ browneyes10

Take you hatred to your country of origin don't seed your hatred here......
18:28 August 25, 2009 by clivel
What I find offensive is the hypocrisy and double standards displayed by the Swedish government; wasn't this the same government that condemned the publication of the Muhammad cartoons and shut down a web site for publishing them on the grounds that the cartoons are offensive - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4700414.stm

Seems to me that the Swedish government has a very selective view of what freedom of the press is.
19:17 August 25, 2009 by schaab
As a Dutchman I can understand the Israeli reaction very well. This vicious blood libel should be condemned by the Swedish government BECAUSE they have freedom of speech; If Sweden didn't have it, they would have forbidden the article or closed down Aftonbladet. Since the days of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Hitler's friend and guest in Berlin) many lies about Jews and Israel have been told. "Massacres", "rapings", the spreading of diseases like AIDS, etc. etc. To call Israel "racist" is just as ridiculous as it is vicious. Just go and visit Israel and walk its streets and you will see.
21:31 August 25, 2009 by browneyes10
@Prosweden. Just shut up and mind your business.

I have no hated towards any body but only towards organ harvesting people. Such people are worse than animals.

Look yourself in mirror and then you will know what is your standard.
22:15 August 25, 2009 by SandViper
Who really cares about what swedes say, a billion Indians say that Israel is innocent in this issue. Just Leave the Israelis alone. It is just a matter of time when India has a bigger say, we would change everything and everyone bothering Israel. Long Live Israel , Long Live India.
22:50 August 25, 2009 by samidavid
These new Nazi ct Zionist crimes in Palestine and Gaza, seem that the Jewish population going to the wrong direction of the road.

If they need to stay in the middle east they must be as a good neighbor, but unfortunately until now for more than 60 years, they are killing, t hefting and smuggling the Palestinians lands, trees, waters, and even doing a siege on them trying to stopping their life.

The whole world says that the Israelis are criminals and are practicing new Zionist Nazis procedures as if they were in the last century.

Sandviper, who told you that all Indians are Jews criminals like you, who else in the world says Israelis are innocents...they reinvent the Nazi crimes in Palestine

The matter now is do this journal invent these pictures or it is actual...the whole world must know and understand what these Nazict Zionist s are doing here in Palestine.

if any in doubt h, please write me, I will send video proofs..

Please read carefully, keep calm and fair, the actual situation is to much bad that it could not be covered by thousands of articles and in just few ones


Thank You
22:54 August 25, 2009 by irit22
my brother in law who is a doctor )told me there is almost no use to organs of dead as discribed in the article .

This newspaper is building a blood libel' as was told years in Europe about Jews . I am very happy my Jewish daughter lives in Israel and not in Sweden which is proving it suits Euorpe.I must say my mother in laws story about the 1936-1945 in Poland seem too close now.I am very sad.
23:24 August 25, 2009 by samidavid

I have read many Jewish comments on this article, and these new Zionist Nazis pretend that the Holocoust was harmful to their ancestors. , if they have the Holocoust experience, why then they are repeating it to other people in the world, why they became new Nazi criminals of the 21 century!.

I believe there ever been criminals like the New Zionist Israeli Nazis ever.

Until now, they are thefting the Palestinians lands, trees and homes.

killing Palestinians as if they are Dazzled power, if any human being in a power, it does not means to kill others, theft their lands and houses and trees. .

This matter is not concerns with Israeli's only, but it is a matter of mass crimes against humanity, which must be of concern for all readers, and all peoples of the world.

A bad one, can make a small lie, but he never pass the exams of all lies, crimes and illegal actions..

Israel really deserve to be demolished, and it will be very soon, since there are no Gad who accept crimes, unjust and lies for ever, a lier can cheat one.. two..three persons..but he cant cheat the whole world. The Israeli's are practicing nonsense other than killing Palestinians, and this is prophecy for demolishing Israel. Israel existence is illegal, although it employ an extreme power in killing Palestinians, but the power balance will be invented implied, then all these solders sons and daughters will be killed...that is the compensation for the current Israeli's crimes.

If any needs a video proofs for the article please send me email on:

smai6david@yahoo.com I will be glad to send you a video proof of the article, to show how Israeli's are killing just for killing, then no Palestinian or a Moslem to be blamed of what could happen to these New Zionist Nazis criminals..

Thank for all readers,
00:00 August 26, 2009 by Prosweden
@browneyes10 Says to me : " Just shut up and mind your business"

Yup I better shut up otherwise you might cut my head off......right..?

(we have freedom of speech here Mohamed, only the Mod tells me to shut up capisci?)
00:20 August 26, 2009 by irit22

if there was not a holocoust why do you say we are the new nazis what did they do?

for wanting to kill my 6 year old daughter'I will never forgive you'and I will do anything to save her from murders like you . my brother in law saved as a world known doctor lives of some of your people'but you are can not understand this cant you?
00:35 August 26, 2009 by morkusrex
Smaidavid. Human doesn't get much lower than you.

So primitive..God!

Freedom of speech doesn't do you good.

Any thought on Black people? Handicaps? Retarded people? Gays?
00:38 August 26, 2009 by browneyes10
@Pro sweden. Yes I said all that because you said to me that I have to taken my hate to my own country. This shows that you are too ridiculous for comments.

Firstly because I did not say anything by which you can say to me that I am showing hate towards some body. I just refer to read about jewish that how are they especially showing their innocence after news of harvesting human organs?

If all such truths are not digested by you then you might be lacking some digestible enzymes in your gut and most probably not some but most of neurons in your so called brain.

Secondly, by using nick name like ''pro sweden'', I am sure that you might not be original swedish for the above mentioned reasons. So try to listen to others also.
00:51 August 26, 2009 by morkusrex

The thing you don't get is that - It was NOT news!

The reporter wanted to make a propaganda. That's all.

The accusation are too ridiculous in a way that investigating it would be waste of money and time.

If it were news it would be published on other newspapers worldwide. It wasn't. It was only published so much because of the propaganda.

You chose to think of it as news because you don't like Israel. That's fine, your opinion..Just don't help lies to spread.
01:10 August 26, 2009 by Prosweden

He's not even talking about Israel , he talks about Jews, he just hates Jews. (look at post #254)

Browneyes I live in Malmo, I don't think you know where it is....
06:31 August 26, 2009 by elghannam
Why Swedish banks instead of Swiss banks,Because Isreal & Swiss banks involved in steal organs and money's


Since Swiss Banks:

1. Deal in Bloody Money.

2. Exposed the Clients' Names and Accounts to protect

themselves, so Swiss banks lost the Secrecy.


I believe the world must keep his money in Sweden.

Sweden as Honest, Humanity Place and clean Banks

See,Top Sweden newspaper says IDF kills Palestinians for

their organs.

A leading Swedish newspaper reported this week that Israeli soldiers are abducting Palestinians in order to steal their organs.

.Boström's article makes a link to the recent exposure of an alleged crime syndicate in New Jersey,Isreal & Switzerland..

The syndicate includes several American rabbis, and one Levy Izhak Rosenbaum, who faces charges of conspiring to broker the sale of a human kidney for a transplant.

Also, U.S. Attorney Ralph Marra Jr. said at a news conference:

"The rings were international in scope, connected to Deal, N.J., Brooklyn, Israel and Switzerland"

So,The Swedish Banks must be our choice now, we cannot eat bloody money or we cannot provid our money to Switzerland to use in bloody laundry process.

Also the scandal of UBS Swiss bank is additional factor to be far from Swiss banks after they exposed the client's names to USA to protect themselves, so where the secrecy of our accounts in the Swiss banks.

Bilal Achmed Ghanan, 19, sköts och fördes bort av israeliska soldater. Kroppen lämnades tillbaka ihopsydd från mage till hals.

Foto: Donald Boström

Swiss Flag

Levy Izhak Rosenbaum förs bort av FBI-agenter. Rosenbaum
08:18 August 26, 2009 by morkusrex

Thank god I know Swedish people and I know they are not as bad as the reputation you gave them in your last post.

12:00 August 26, 2009 by Bettongboing
For the first time ever have I surfed to a Swedish paper on line. I always thought highly of the Swedes but I am staggered to see so much hatred towards the Jewish people (not Israelis but Jews) This of course is the definition of anti-semitism and too many of the above require me to report abuse that I am writing this instead. Shame!!!!
12:34 August 26, 2009 by Leprehcaun
@ azerty

I am most certainly not joking.. well.. at least about Scandinavian cops.. maybe that's why we have fewer per capita than most (extensive psycological tests). Well I have never heard about a corrupt cop in Scandinavia and I can't imagine one but I am sure there are those that has the potential if the opportunity arises.

What "stories" are you referring to?

@ bettongboing

I think I have said this three times now but I'll say it again. Most people on here aren't Swedish and a big part, if not most of them have never been to Sweden, this newspaper is for non.Swedish speaking people.. which should be obvious since we speak Swedish..

Take my word or continue to believe the rant. Swedes don't hate Jews and aren't anti-semitic.
13:29 August 26, 2009 by Kooritze
Sorry but I feel the need to put some facts in here due to the rants of some proclaiming Sweden to be a moral and honest place to put your money in. During WWII Sweden supplied vasts amount of Iron Ore, Ball Bearings and other engineering parts to the Nazi war machine. Sweden even let them use their territory to invade Norawy. Also when Deutchmarks were in short supply, Sweden took payment in Nazi gold (or Jewish gold from its various sources eg teeth).....that gold is still here. It wasnt until 1943 when the Swedish govt realised they backed the wrong horse and switched sides. Intrinsically Swedes are opportunistic businessmen and today are huge exporters of arms. I am pro sweden believe it or not....but please stick to facts and the true nature of the country.
13:33 August 26, 2009 by Beynch
I'm confused. And I do not have an axe to grind. I'm not Palestinian. I'm not Israeli or Jewish. But I'm troubled by the Aftonbladet story. Why doesn't Aftonbladet present, publicly, any credible evidence it has, and let the Chips fall where they may? To be sure, Aftonbladet is not exactly a bastion of truth and factual accuracy, and has more of a tradition of sensationalism and bold headlines, and leans heavily to the political left. That said, let's hear it for the unbridled truth!
15:28 August 26, 2009 by Torontonian
So much interest in this topic:

15:31 August 26, 2009 by morkusrex
I'm sorry but I feel the need to copy and paste the last comment from kooritze:

"Sorry but I feel the need to put some facts in here due to the rants of some proclaiming Sweden to be a moral and honest place to put your money in. During WWII Sweden supplied vasts amount of Iron Ore, Ball Bearings and other engineering parts to the Nazi war machine. Sweden even let them use their territory to invade Norawy. Also when Deutchmarks were in short supply, Sweden took payment in Nazi gold (or Jewish gold from its various sources eg teeth).....that gold is still here. It wasnt until 1943 when the Swedish govt realised they backed the wrong horse and switched sides. Intrinsically Swedes are opportunistic businessmen and today are huge exporters of arms. I am pro sweden believe it or not....but please stick to facts and the true nature of the country."

about freedom of speech, from WIKI:

"According to the Freedom Forum Organization, legal systems, and society at large, recognize limits on the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other values or rights.[21] Limitations to freedom of speech may follow the "harm principle" or the "offense principle", for example in the case of pornography or "hate speech".[22] Limitations to freedom of speech may occur through legal sanction and/or social disapprobation."

Do no forget it's Sweden who closed a website because of a caricature which the Muslims didn't like.
15:47 August 26, 2009 by browneyes10
@Prosweden, Playmaker, stone99.. and to all those jewish and Israeli loving people.

How and why you bloody people wana mix this sensitive issue with ANY religion or racism. Because it is about you and so you throw your dirty things on others.None of the religion allow you for such crimes.

You are not the angel on this earth, so dont pretend yourself like an innocent people and now dont cry like wolfs.

Infact the jewish are the real terrorists who are responsible for capturing muslims land and their re-sources illegally.

So never try again to mix up this issue with religion because all the readers here are not fools that you can trap them.

@History guide. I totally agree with your words. The more one's expose jewish history the more you feel shame. Yes shame rather worse than shame. These bloody thefts now steeling human organs.
18:19 August 26, 2009 by Rick Methven
This website provides Swedish news in English for us expats living in Sweden who prefer to get a digest in English of what is happening in the country in which WE LIVE.

We often make comments on stories we read, short and sweet and get on with the next story.

In the past few days, it has been taken over by the Israeli mis-information brigade. The Israeli and pro-Israeli posters who have commented on stories outside of the Aftonbladet story, have shown themselves to be ignorant and illiterate and to follow the lead of their Government spokesman to push the propaganda line that any slight towards Israel demonstrates that the whole world is anti-Semitic. I wonder in Netanyahu tried that line in London today when he had a meeting about the illegal Israeli settlements in occupied East Jerusalem?

All you Israelis please get off our web site and leave us Swedes and Expats living in Sweden alone.

You will not get condemnation of the Aftonbladet story from us or from our government. At some time in the future Aftonbladet MAY get a rap on the knuckles from Göran Lambertz when he gets back from his holidays but don't hold your breath. Until then just go away and leave us alone!!
23:14 August 26, 2009 by morkusrex
"All you Israelis please get off our web site and leave us Swedes and Expats living in Sweden alone."

Jews. you meant Jews.
14:29 August 28, 2009 by JDV
The real question is whay do we have any diplomatic realations or dealings with Isreal at all... Until this nation built on genocide and enthic cleansing complies with all UN Resolutions and abides by the Geneva Coventions and submits it leaders and officials to face the International Court in the Hague for War Crimes... which our government should be demanding that they do... we should be expell their ambassadors and withdraw ours... and implement and champion economic sanctions...

We as Swedes... if we are committed to our ideals of Human rights, peace, freedom, equality and the rule of law should begin to take and make the hard choices necessary for their peaceful implementation both here and abroad... begining wiht diplomatic islolation such as denying visas and working up to economic isolation of Isreal...

This is just another publicity campaign by the government of Isreal... to manipulate public and political opinion... as it comes under pressure once again from the international community... to live within in law and constructs of civilized nations... to eturn to it's orignainal borders abandon it's illegal expansion and comply with all UN resolutions meant to resolve it's issues with the Palestinian People...

We should be intimidated by phoney cries of anti-semitism... it is irrelevent to the issues epecailly from a nation that has not learned the real lessions of the Holacaust... of ethnic persecution... ghettoization or the isolation of undesirables into smaller and smaller unsustainble enclaves, eventually reinforced by walls, starvation water deprivation... and the use of collective punishment... all for the purpose of ethnic cleansing... and national expansion....maybe they have learned them to well...

But in ethier case it can not and should not continue and we should support our government in taking very hard line and uncompromising position on these issues... So "Carl Bilt Stay Home" there is nothing to be gained on our part and you have nothing to do with the government or people of Isreal on our behalf... and your visit will only add to their sense of our approval of the legitamcy of the illegal actions they have taken to gain, maintain, and expand their nation.
19:10 August 28, 2009 by Leprehcaun

For the same reasons we have dealings with North Korea and countries like that. To keep peace, to negotiate for peace, to do what the UN is supposed to do. It's necessary and yes, these Israelis you should refer to are a-holes that shouldn't get any attention but that's a minority of its population. It's like the Sweden Democrats or the BNP in Britain or the republican party in the US (though smaller).

This is for ppl who speak Swedish, good or not so good, it has subs to help (though there is a beta version for translation to English in the "captions screen" in the bottom right corner). It's about his Israel thingie (with some random stuff at first). Oh and for those who don't follow these guys the HMF box ("hets mot folkgrupp lådan") is presented in an episode from 2006 about the election, called "valet", you have to have seen it to understand what it's about.


Have fun!
20:59 August 28, 2009 by aairon
Ultra orthodox Jews are the modern day NAZI'S

Vowing for the extermination/FINAL SOLUTION of all Palestinians.

I am very surprised they (the Israelis) are not building Showers/GAS CHAMBERS for those "filthy" Palestinians.

I guess they are a bit smarter then the Nazis were, and they want the body parts first.
20:53 August 31, 2009 by mobings
TO DEFEND Israel today is to be either callous or wilfully ignorant. Had Julie Burchill bothered during her visit there to cross the few miles from Israel to Gaza or the West Bank, she would have seen such human suffering as to disturb even her frenetic adulation of Israel. She might have seen the daily lot of nearly three million Palestinians as they battle with army checkpoints, curfews, random shootings, arbitrary arrests and air raids. She might have found that the "superJews" she so admires humiliate and oppress Palestinians at a whim: last year, at the Nablus checkpoint, a middle-aged man was made to strip, get down on all fours and bark like a dog before he could enter his city. Women in labour routinely wait at checkpoints until some give birth there and see their babies die.
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