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'Guantánamo Swede' arrested in Pakistan

David Landes · 11 Sep 2009, 11:09

Published: 11 Sep 2009 11:09 GMT+02:00

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According to Sveriges Television (SVT), it was Ghezali, along with two other Swedes and several other foreigners, who was arrested by police in Pakistan on suspicions the group had ties with the Al-Qaeda terrorist network.

“We confiscated a laptop and $10,000 they had with them,” said a spokesperson for the Pakistani military, according to the Expressen newspaper.

The arrests took place at a checkpoint in Dera Ghazi Khan in Punjab province, when the group was reportedly on its way to southern Waziristan, a stronghold for the Taliban in Pakistan, near the border with Afghanistan.

The now 30-year-old Ghezali, a resident of Örebro in central Sweden, was arrested in December 2001 and put in custody of the US military shortly after the start of the campaign in Afghanistan.

He spent more than two years in a prison for terror suspects set up by the American military on its base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

Ghezali, dubbed in the Swedish media as the "Guantánamo Swede", was never put on trial nor was he told why he had been detained. He was released from the prison in July 2004, whereupon he returned to Sweden.

New reports that Ghezali has again been arrested in Pakistan on terror suspicions came as a surprise to his attorney, Anton Strand.

“Yes, I’m surprised by it. One should remember that Ghezali has traveled in that region previously and he has an interest in the region. He is religious and has friends and contacts,” Strand told Expressen.

Gösta Hultén, the Swedish journalist who wrote a book detailing Ghezali’s story, told the Aftonbladet newspaper that Ghezali’s father believes his son is on a pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia and called home from there a few days ago.

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“The father is very upset about the allegations that Mehdi has ties to Al-Qaeda. He has already been cleared from those suspicions once,” said Hultén.

Sweden’s foreign ministry in Stockholm refused to comment on the information, although spokesperson for the Swedish embassy in Islamabad told SVT that they have yet to receive any confirmation from authorities in Pakistan that Swedes have been arrested.

David Landes (david.landes@thelocal.se)

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12:15 September 11, 2009 by Mikaeeel
Well done Pakistani Security Forces!
12:15 September 11, 2009 by antoniolgj
Well done Sweden... You accept these people in, give them free food, house, med, schools and most importantly "rights". Now you see your name covered in mud.

And some here called racism when some of us said the arrested people weren't real Swedish.

There you go mates, do you believe now?
12:22 September 11, 2009 by this_aint_sparta
I think he was there for his "semester".
12:35 September 11, 2009 by peropaco
Twice he is arrested for terrorist ties. Hmm. Maybe this time the Pakistani army should put a bullet in to his head, send his body back to Sweden COD.
12:37 September 11, 2009 by Palestinian

I can see how glad you are to find any chance to practice your hate and discrimination!

I am a muslim and I live in Sweden ! What is my relation to that silly guys???

Should Sweden expel every immimgrant for you to be happy?

Only stupid people can judge a group upon a personal behaviours because they can not think or analyse and have no ability to judge individulas they meet!
12:42 September 11, 2009 by Fernandis
antoniolgj!!!!! u r another filthy Indian mentality.
12:51 September 11, 2009 by Staffs
Under the rules of the New World Order it is now clearly an offence to travel with intent to spend USD, especially so in a region where USD is the most widely accepted means of payment.

I really hope I never come up against you guys in a jury if I ever have the misfortune to be arrested for stepping on cracks in the pavement (under new health and safety laws).

The level of debate here has deteriorated from day one and now resembles something from junior school. I was going to say kindergarten but then I realised kindergarten children will probably not have developed such bigoted, ignorant, judgmental and intolerant views at that age.
13:05 September 11, 2009 by antoniolgj

"What is my relation to that silly guys???"

You have answered it yourself.

"Should Sweden expel every immimgrant for you to be happy?"

Nop, Sweden should expel and, most importantly, close its doors to bad immigration in general and to the religion of p!ss in particularly.

Besides my happiness this will ensure a safe and bright future to our children.
13:19 September 11, 2009 by Beynch
Ghezali, a resident of Örebro: This means of course then that the U.S. was right all along, as they usually are. Isn't it time for you Swedes on the marxist left, Sahlin-followers etc., to re-think Swedens relationship with USA? Defeat Mona in 2010!
13:28 September 11, 2009 by jonathanjames61
This is Just a collective Jurgement,I consider low view of Understanding,Lets assume a Swedes commits a crime in a foriegn land,Does that mean All 9 million plus Swedes are criminals,or you always forget history of the Vikings,slave traders ETC,This man should be Jurged as an Individaul,who has commited a crime not as immigrant,Thank God we now leave in age of IT technology,you cant fool us all again,I am not AlQ,but dont put the oil on every body
13:46 September 11, 2009 by magic1964

Forget about Vikings please, at that time wars ánd crimes were in each corner...1000 years values were so different than now that we can´t judge them oderwise Socrates, Platon and even Mohamet should be convicted like pedophiles since they had sexual relations with under ages girls...
13:51 September 11, 2009 by techman
Comment: @Fernandis, Back off ! Else prove me how , where and when Indian mentality is typecast to filthy ? Dude , either you need to really grow up or you are currently in "#¤!up state of mind. Get well soon :)
13:52 September 11, 2009 by totyis
If Sweden has today this kind of problems at a 10 % muslim population....think about tomorrow, or at a 20%. That would be reporting about 6 Ghezalis a week, which could be hardly called catching news any longer. That is called routine.Good bye old Sweden
13:53 September 11, 2009 by glamelixir

I totally agree with you. As an immigrant from the EU fighting for my rights, having less help from Sweden than this people and being discriminated even though I am highly qualified.

I believe Sweden can accept who ever they want though, but giving passports and citizenships to anyone right away (2 or 5 years) is just ridiculous. I lived in Argentina almost 30 years and never got their citizenship, I still have all my rights but as an immigrant (maybe that is an open minded country towards immigration in some way)

Sweden opens the door , gives passports as candy bars and then put immigrants in a big bag of unwanted things regardless of what they can really do for their country.
14:07 September 11, 2009 by magic1964
I think taxes should be raised more Swedish can travel to Pakistan while being on welfare...
14:26 September 11, 2009 by Kaethar
@glamelixir: How is this "giving passports to anyone?" He was born and raised in Sweden to an Algerian father and Finnish mother. He's more Swedish than anything else. He wasn't even religious in his young years and seems to have developed problems towards the end of gymnasiet. He became radicalised when he allegedly served in the Algerian armed forced and later when studying in Saudi Arabia. According to his dad he's suffering from some sort of identity crisis and this could be why he's resorting to islamism.

Here's a picture of him in highschool:


He was normal back then. :(
14:49 September 11, 2009 by geecee61
Far too much tolerance is given to immigrants.this is certainly not recipricated in a lot of home lands of a lot of immigrants we have in Stockholm...forever bleating they are owed a living..my theory is you must learn the language in 12 months and find gainful employment or leave in that 12 month and a probationary period of 5 years minimum and forget giving passports and settle for giving them a Permanent uppehållstillstånd,I know of a few cases one of a Bangladeshi family who have been there 4 years and learned no Swedish..I am more xenophobic than racist..but I have to agree with Totyis,things must change or as he quoted "Goodbye old Sweden"
15:07 September 11, 2009 by antoniolgj

"to an Algerian father ...He's more Swedish than anything else"

Are you joking?
15:14 September 11, 2009 by socalguy
Well, well, well. This shouldn't surprise anyone. In typical Swedish fashion the Swedish media will portray this guy as a victim of " America's war on Terror " and the all too familiar " American aggression ". Our buddy Mehdi is going to wish he was still at Guantanamo Bay enjoying a good meal and reading the Koran and enjoying the warm Caribbean sun rather than be in custody of the Pakistani Security Forces who will show him no mercy and torture him in ways that he would have never dreamed possible or could have learned from the Al-Qaeda camp he was on his way to. Bye Bye Mehdi !
15:34 September 11, 2009 by Kaethar
@antoniolgj: No, why would I be joking? It's common knowledge that he suffered from an identity-crisis. He was more Swedish than anything and tried to connect to his father's roots by resorting to islamist beliefs. This is hardly uncommon.
15:34 September 11, 2009 by babashki
BRAVO SVERIGE. yet again, why do you allow these barbarians into our country and give them assylum? you should take back EVERY passport, citizenship or residence to any or ALL people with ties to terrorism. In fact remove all assyulm seekers. Clean the streets out of them.
15:48 September 11, 2009 by human on planet
swedish government payed 500 000 sek for his travel from Guantánamo bay to sweden in a special hire jet last time.
15:49 September 11, 2009 by bettan1
Was'nt Osama Bin Laden a Swede as well ???
15:52 September 11, 2009 by ironman294

no if 1 swede commits a crime we do not say all swedes are bad becaus ethe hot women will always redeem them. But if we constantly see swedes constantly commit crimes in the name of Odin, then yes we would have to start questioning what is wrong with Norse Religion and look suspiciously on them and then take away their women from them to protect them.

But why is it when people become more religious with Islam theybecome radical, yet when people becoem more religious with Christianit they become more peacful and loving and good.

Some food for thought for you people who hate Christians yet embrace the multi-culturalism of Islam (so-called religion of peace).
15:55 September 11, 2009 by rybo1
It's hard to fathom the hatred spewed by most of the morons who have posted their ugly comments. Each of them should spend a few months in Guantanamo to see what a happy place it is.
15:56 September 11, 2009 by Eurostan
Mikaeeel ,Fernandis are pakistanies in disguise.

a good advertise for sweden in the world.

this is only warm up. lot more will come in the sweden. i said that long back in thelocal.se

alreay four swedish cities are burning . lot more will come in future. thats why swedish government allowted 4 billions sek to police to control riots in cities like malmo, uppsala,vasteras, gotaborg.
15:58 September 11, 2009 by Rick Methven
Here we go again,

The racist nutter brigade has got another story on which to open up their usual tirade of hate. Spitting out the usual dire warnings of doom. As usual the posts are illiterate, without any grammar and the spelling is atrocious.

Totyis Get your facts straight. The total number of immigrants to Sweden from so called Muslim countries ( i.e. the majority religion is Islam) is 450,000-500,000. Not all these immigrants are Muslim.

The percentage of the Swedish population originating from these countries is therefore around 5% of the population not the 10% you quote

The Number of practicing Muslims , according to The Muslim Council for Sweden is 100,000. That is the number that they get state funding for as do the Christian, Jewish and other religious groups. . They are not likely to say that there are less Muslims than there are as they get more money from the state for more members.

So the REAL percentage of the Swedish population of true followers of Islam is 1% and that includes Swedes such as Mehdi Ghezali. Just because a person comes from a country, does not mean that he or she is a practising member of the majority religion. So your prediction of "Goodbye old Sweden" is a long way off

There are good immigrants and bad immigrants in Sweden just as there are good Swedes and bad Swedes. People are people. Look beneath the skin to the soul and do not put everybody under the same label.

To all you purveyors of hate out there. Engage your brain before you open your mouth. But I suppose that may be difficult as whatever brain cells you where born with have been eaten away by your hate.

Peace, Shalom, Salam Alykum ,

And in the words of the late Irish comedian Dave Allen "May your god go with you where ever you are."
16:04 September 11, 2009 by antoniolgj

I have asked you before, but you didn't answer, so I'll do it again.

Are you European? Real European? For some reason I have felling you're not, if so, you're not on our side. You are not us but them, therefore I'd encourage you to keep yourself in your rightful place.

I may be wrong though, if so my apologies. But just in case would mind to clarify this?
16:07 September 11, 2009 by Eurostan
this thread will get lot of comments. any topic related to islam will get lot of comments.

a good subject for election campaign for SD. i am sure social democrates loose election in the next year because they are the people who bring him from the jail in special aeroplane from USA to sweden.
16:17 September 11, 2009 by Rick Methven
I have the solution to all this Religious hate. Everybody on Earth should become a Sikh.

Guru Nanak, the founder of the Sikh faith said " There is no Hindu, there is no Muslim" - Human being can not be bound by his religion because the Almighty is everywhere. He is in the soul of everyone.

The Guru once held a bowl full of milk, he said that the bowl was the earth and the milk was all the warring religions of the earth. He then dropped a lotus blossom on the milk which floated on top. This said the Guru was Sikh faith bringing calm
16:20 September 11, 2009 by Eurostan
i am not european.
16:26 September 11, 2009 by Rick Methven

I have always stated my background in many posts

Ethnicity: Caucasian

Nationality: British

Residence: Sweden

Religion of birth: Christian Baptised and Confirmed

Current religion: Not practicing
16:27 September 11, 2009 by antoniolgj

"i am not european."

There you go mate, just a I thought.

In that case, please stay at your side of the line...
16:37 September 11, 2009 by hpunlimited
Take away his passport! It was no problem doing that to former Nazi's so why not terrorists?

It is important that Sweden shows that this person does not represent Sweden or Swedish values.
16:39 September 11, 2009 by Rick Methven

Just because I am European does not mean that I am on the same side of the line as you or Eurostan or any of the other hate spewers.

Give us your biography
16:42 September 11, 2009 by maakm
Did anyone notice that how he manged $10,000.Is it his own money? No.

At least now u all now that Pakistanis are not terrorists.There are many different agencies who are funding people like Ghezali all over the world to destroy Pakistan.

Then these people do terrorist activities in the name of Islam and people blame Pakistan that they are the terrorists.

So plz change your mind It is not the America who are fighting against terrorists its Pakistan.
16:49 September 11, 2009 by antoniolgj

Yep mate, you are free choose with side better fits to you...

My biography...

Ethnicity: Caucasian

Nationality: Spanish

Residence: Dublin at the moment, back to Sweden soon.

Religion of birth: Protestant

Current religion: Protestant
16:52 September 11, 2009 by maakm
"Among the twelve arrested men, three (including Ghezali) were Swedish, seven were Turkish, one was Russian and another one was an Iranian citizen."

What the hell no Pakistani.Then why they are called terrorists?
17:08 September 11, 2009 by vladd777
"...The Swedes, along with seven Turks and a Russian, were reportedly arrested a week ago in the country's eastern province of Punjab, reports Expressen..."

'Seven Turks'..not fun to read when we know Sweden is very in favour of Turkey joining the EU!

Sweden shows support for Turkey's EU bid as it takes over bloc's helm: http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/world/11980365.asp
17:09 September 11, 2009 by Tony Ryals
In my commentary re 'Troops ransack Afghan hospital: Swedish charity',I stated that Barack Obama may turn out to be a skinny Idi Amin.Well I knew of course all the Zionists and outright mafiosi and rapers of the U.S.economy that helped fund him and that he was following the Zionist PARTY line that Afghani peasants caused 9/11 and thus don't investigate the Israeli Menachem Atzmon,Ezra Harel,et.al.,ICTS International criminals had pro Israeli connections or the the real cause for collapse of the WTC,ETC..- but as it turns out Idi Amin was backed by Israeli war criminals too !

Now seeing as both were brought to ppower by XZionists who have robbed raped and looted America just as America in turn

robbed raped and looted Iraq and Afghanistan for them in return and because Obama is really just an extention of W Bush who with the Israelis and well placed Zionazi aiders and abetters in U.S.government and military - Obama is already ahead of Idi Amin in the number of deaths he is responsible because W Bush and his Zionazi handlers have given him a head start.Some estimate besides 3,000 in the New York WTC THEIR HAVE BEEN OVER 1,000,000 Iraqis slaughterd and even more RAPED MAIMED AND LOOTED ! And in Iraq we passed the number of Americans killed at the WTC a looong time ago.And I haven't even started counting Afghanis and a few Europeans yet.

So Barack Osama Obama with the help of his Zionazi professionals of course,has already exceeded Idi Amin's highest holocaust expectations ! Go for it you skinny little Idi Amin Barack Osama Obama and don't forget to thank all the Zionazia who have helped you make it possible ! :


Revealed: how Israel helped Amin to take power

By Richard Dowden

Sunday, 17 August 2003

When Radio Uganda announced at dawn on 25 January 1971 that Idi Amin was Uganda's new ruler, many people suspected that Britain had a hand in the coup. However, Foreign Office papers released last year point to a different conspirator: Israel.

The first telegrams to London from the British High Commissioner in Kampala, Richard Slater, show a man shocked and bewildered by the coup. But he quickly turned to the man who he thought might know what was going on; Colonel Bar-Lev, the Israeli defence attaché. He found the Israeli colonel with Amin. ...

The Israelis had helped train the new Uganda army in the 1960s. Shortly after independence Amin was sent to Israel on a training course. When he became chief of staff of the new army Amin also ran a sideline operation for the Israelis, supplying arms and ammunition to the rebels in southern Sudan.
17:29 September 11, 2009 by eZee.se
Well said Tony Ryals, very well said indeed.

If ever i was in doubt i could spot a moron / whacko by the way he writes, you have taken all that doubt away.

Hilarius too by the way, thanks for the laugh :))
17:41 September 11, 2009 by Rick Methven
Tony Ryals posts again!!. same old crap that has nothing to do the the subject.

Do you have a supply of rubbish that you circulate around the net?. My advice, flush it down the pan where it belongs
17:52 September 11, 2009 by antoniolgj
@Tony Ryals

What is this all about mate?
18:26 September 11, 2009 by Playmaker
@ tony ryals

look there is always a super power who wants things there way if you hate america so much who would do better? CHINA? RUSSIA? IRAN? N.KOREA? america has done much for this world some bad but also good when you think about what they contribute to the world in tech., meds, sicence. and so on. and some country who invinte some high tech gear does so because they can sell it in america. the US had it right when they put this guy in prision the first time. hope the dirty muslim suffers.
18:34 September 11, 2009 by browneyes10
@ Tony Ryals. Well said and I agree with you. Thanks.
19:08 September 11, 2009 by coswede
looks like a typical swede male
19:13 September 11, 2009 by mkvgtired
This poor victim of American aggression. I wonder if Sweden will charter a jet back from Packistan for him too. He is just like the Dutch welfare recipients arrested while on "holiday" in Kenya last week. I hope the Swedish taxpayers feel their money was well spent. I am glad that the Pakistanis have him. Less cost to the US taxpayer and they will be able to get MUCH more info out of him than the US could have with the ACLU and Obama always criticizing them. Time to go back out in the streets with a giant picture of this "victim" and start protesting American aggression again.
20:16 September 11, 2009 by kelvison
you know what this chap has`nt done any thing wrong? has he? he has just been to pakistan? he will come back to sweden soon and he should do so.
20:24 September 11, 2009 by Mzungu
Mikaeeel ,Fernandis are one of the same, Trolls.......
20:50 September 11, 2009 by peropaco
Watch. He will be back in sweden to a hero welcome, all the brain dead jornalist will want to hear his side of the story.Standing next tohim will be a hairy arm pit girl wearing a keffiyeh around her neck from some (animal)human rights organization looking very concerned and who knows; he may even get an invite from Mona la pelotuda Sahlin for some picture ops. Andate a la retabillada concha, de la reputisima madre que te recontramil recontra pario
20:55 September 11, 2009 by Mzungu
Oh! Forgot to mention 'Lallit', who makes up the threesome along with Mikaeeel and Fernandis...
21:23 September 11, 2009 by Uncle
Urgent.. A German activist known as Tony Ryals (other names - Friedrich Goebbels or Hans Aumeier - deputy commandant at Auschwitz) is looking for the one who stole his time machine. He is kindly requesting from the thief to return the machine. He can keep the golden teeth and wallets that came with it.

He needs to come back to Germany 1944 as soon as possible before Commandant Rudolf Hoss notices his absence. Please note that important Jew execution is scheduled tomorrow morning and the matter is urgent.
22:49 September 11, 2009 by Tony Ryals
The Lard William Rees-Mogg's humble servant Rick Methven apparently has a bone to pick with established British media because all I'mm doing is quoting that source to show Israeli military trained Moslem born Idi Amin in Israel even though he ended his life in asylem in Saudi Aabia.What do they both have in common besides aiding Amin in various stages of his life? They are both far right religious police states,one being Jewish the other being Islamic.So where's your beef and if you eat beef I advise laying off the Agriprocessors and Rubashkin Chabad Lubavitch's beef cause they found 'mad cow' in there Iowa 'kosher' meat packing plant.

As to the statement by 'Uncle'(a monkey's?)above,that's particularly funny in light of the fact that many or most of the 'white semites' or 'jews' in Israel and other parts of the world have Jewish blood and heritage - but nope - although I have nothing against Germasns I have no Gwerman heritage to my knowledge.Buyt if you are a white guy who thinks you are a 'semite' you probably do.


November 13, 2002

Bush Quotes about Bin Laden

For your amusement and future reference, here's what Bush has said about bin Laden at various points in time, depending on how he was trying to spin things:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."

- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"

- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."

- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool,

The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."

- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,

3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
01:32 September 12, 2009 by Coalbanks
The level of debate here has deteriorated from day one and now resembles something from junior school. I was going to say kindergarten but then I realised kindergarten children will probably not have developed such bigoted, ignorant, judgmental and intolerant views at that age.

staffs; to paraphrase GW Bush : don't mis-underestimate the mind of a kindergardener.
02:18 September 12, 2009 by totyis
@ Rick Methven on comment 27

Thank you for sharing the information (true or false) about that 1% of "true followers of islam". But that worsens even more the situation. If at a 1% ratio Sweden has to face this sort of problems then sadly "Good bye old Sweden" is not that long way of. 1% would be around 90000-100000. Lets presume that only a 5% of this followers are fanatics making the headlines of bad news. But still, does Sweden and Swedes needs them? Would not like to see Sweden in the same s@it as England (parallel justice system, extremism, londonistan, osv.

Secondly, are You calling me racist? I quote You: "The racist nutter brigade...". Why? Was I saying anything about race?

Yes, I am against the psychic disease called islam.

I'm European

Baptized Protestant

Not Practicing

Residence in Sweden

Ethnicity Hungarian
03:16 September 12, 2009 by Tony Ryals
Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel ...Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel-News and commentary relating to events in Israel, the occupied territories, and the world, ...


and what's good for Israel is good for Dick Cheney and his Cerberus hedge fund partners Stephen Feinberg,ex Treasury Secretary,John Snow and Mr.Swindle of Kellogg,Brown and Root

and Blackwater Insecurity guards,etc,etc. and for Rick Methven's Lard William Rees-Mogg and Rupert Murdoch and his and ex CIA Chief James Woolsey's Pakistani-American Islamofascist Mansoor Ijaz(who ran that Londdon Stock Exchange AIM pump and dump fraud and money laundering op Crecent Hydropolis with U.S.Generals General McInerney and Abrahamson,et.al.)and the Lord Scumbag Rees-Mogg's co-author and partner in crime James Dale Davidson and their LOM of Bermuda and other money laundering centers.The Lord Rees-Mogg and James Dale Clinton killed Vince Foster even plagiarized the old Napoleon era Rothschild for their 'Blood In The Streets' book and promote themselves as Nostradamos replacement.Ha.
03:42 September 12, 2009 by GefleFrequentFlyer
It's simply unthinkable that this "swedish citizen" could possibly end up near a military checkpoint inPakistan! What a coincidences! Impossible! I'm sure he's there just having a freindly picnic with all his old pals he missed why tied up in some blackwater prison by those filthy occupiers. Zionists pigs.

Ethnicity: American Indian/Caucasian

Nationality: American

Residence: USA

Religion of birth: None

Current religion: Agnostic
06:32 September 12, 2009 by crunchy2k
At least he's not America's problem anymore. ROTFL
08:26 September 12, 2009 by tango
"Danes propose tunnel to Sweden"...

OK, maybe Sweden should try a tunnel to Waziristan -- it seems like there's a lot of tourist traffic going there these days. The hotels are cheap, food is pretty good.... We can add that to the Gaza Strip as a favored Swedish tourist destination!

Joking aside, please note in the article the following:

"the group was reportedly on its way to southern Waziristan, a stronghold for the Taliban in Pakistan, near the border with Afghanistan..."

So in other words, they were ON THE WAY IN. Hardly a coincidence -- you don't take vacations to that part of the world. If you don't live there, there is no reason to go in except if you're on an "operation".

They didn't make it. And now Pakistan's ISI is probably going to do a serious number on these guys -- the Swede included. Will the foreign ministry lodge a protest? How will this play out politically?

Also, I wonder how their experience in Pakistan's prison system and interrogation rooms will be compared in the Swedish press with their beloved guy's treatment in Guantanamo?

Waterboarding? Horror of horrors, no doubt -- that was the "worst of it" in the US Guantanamo camp, which brought condemnation of the USA from across the venerated EU. But when the ISI starts the real interrogation, the European and Swedish press will no doubt simply whip up their subjective morality yardstick -- "yes, well, you see, the Pakistanis do that sort of thing, so it is okay...."
09:11 September 12, 2009 by Rick Methven

Read this link for information on the Religious demography of Sweden -FACT not Fiction


Where do you get your 5% of Muslims are fanatics? No proof that this is the situation in Sweden or elsewhere in the world even in Muslim countries.

According to the United Nations There is no difference between Racial and Ethnic discrimination So yes you are Racist. You want to ban immigrants based on Ethnicity - all those from countries where the national religion is Muslim - Do you want to see more Hungarians coming to Sweden even if they are Muslims or perhaps Roma?.

You talk of a psychic disease called Islam which just shows your paranoia. Everybody should condemn acts of violence carried out in the name of religion wherever it occurs. Sweden, Pakistan, UK, Israel. But do not as my mother would say "Tar everybody with the same brush" there are good and bad in every nation and within every religion. Condemn the bad but support the good.
13:40 September 12, 2009 by totyis
@Rick Methven

United Nations? Whatever. But if there is no "difference" between Racial and Ethnic discrimination that still doesn't make them identical. And no, I wouldn't like to " see more Hungarians coming to Sweden even if they are Muslims or perhaps Roma".

I will finish by giving you this fresh link from TL http://www.thelocal.se/22042/20090912/

It's from today
13:49 September 12, 2009 by Rick Methven

So where in the link that you posted above does it say MUSLIM ??

i Expect it was a whole bunch of Drunk Hungarians.
14:08 September 12, 2009 by totyis
I'm sure they were, I'm sure they were
14:14 September 12, 2009 by Uncle
Tony Ryals - no of course you have nothing against no one. Writing Jews with parenthesis is a clear show of love to the Jews. And I am sure that there are no Germans in your blood, otherwise some sophistication would be added to your babbling.

Of course from too much nonwhite pride, you would sit and express your hatred on EVERY forum, including this one, that describe how muslims are caught in assistance to Al Qaida, eh?

Of course - you will blame the Jews in Sri Lankan conflict as well, just to show your higher education. Of course you will bang on Amin, forgetting that Muslim buddies of Amin kidnapped a civilian plane (because they are such brave warriors, of course) and how Israel kicked his behind and released the plane.

And of course - from too much educated sophistication, you would call other monkeys, just to reinforce your excellent arguments, your amazing proof of the guilt of the Jews in your itch in the eye and of every hurricane in the world.

Just continue sitting and blaming the Jews on every forum where the muslims are showing their peacefulness through bombing, cuttung off heads and starving others in millions. I am sure that people will be distracted from the issues at hand by your shaman screams.

You are not even an opponent to anyone, but a bit like these crazy hobo ladies that stand in the subway passage and scream their opinions about the "wrath of the Lord"...
14:42 September 12, 2009 by Rick Methven

here is a clip regarding Hungary

On November 16, Miklos Dory (member of the MSZP local faction) opined at a meeting of the Budapest 13 district's city council that Gyorgy Szabo (an Israeli-Hungarian dual citizen and member of the local faction of Fidesz) did not understand the government program since "he spent too much time in Israel." Dory also suggested that if Szabo did not feel comfortable in Hungary, he could easily leave the country.

Maybe the same could be said to you about living in Sweden

If you do not feel comfortable her in Sweden maybee you should leave. Go back to Hungary. The Muslims that you hate so much are in a Very very small minority in Hungary. They like the Jews are held down by the facists.
15:15 September 12, 2009 by glamelixir
If you don't know "what is it wtih giving passports to anyone" then you better study a bit about swedish legislation on the matter.

FYI after a couple of years living in sweden with a swedish citizen or after living some more on your own here you have a right to a Swedish passport. That is what I mean despite of his specific situation. I still believe that is just RIDICULOUS!

And I step my foot down to it.

It just makes no sense.
16:21 September 12, 2009 by arslan11
Why all these nationals from Arab World and European countries chose Pakistan to test their brand of Islam?????? All Arabs were involved in 09/11 but Pakistan suffered the most... They shoud do all this stuff inside their own countries.

Its time to throw out these miscreants who defame Pakistan for there stupid and barbaric actions.
16:22 September 12, 2009 by mkvgtired

"We can add that to the Gaza Strip as a favored Swedish tourist destination!" LOL

"when the ISI starts the real interrogation, the European and Swedish press will no doubt simply whip up their subjective morality yardstick -- "yes, well, you see, the Pakistanis do that sort of thing, so it is okay...."

Exactly. Maybe it wont even make the European or Swedish press after this. No sense in diverting valuable resources away from fanning the American hatred flames.
17:01 September 12, 2009 by totyis
@Rick Methven

This is my last comment addressed to You. Every comment You've made were personal attacks on me as You were probably feeling targeted by my words. If You feel better in an islamic republic just head back to England, londonistan.
17:15 September 12, 2009 by travels

"He's more Swedish than anything else...He became radicalised when he allegedly served in the Algerian armed forced and later when studying in Saudi Arabia"

If he is so Swedish what was he doing serving in the Armenian armed forces?, or even later studying in Saudi Arabia?. Does not sound very Swedish to me, I don't know any Swedes that served in foreign armies. And what a coincidence that he is always found with radical islamic company. If he developed some personality disorder and became an extremist, that is his and his family's problem, the rest of the world wants to be safe, personality disorder or not.
20:51 September 12, 2009 by Tony Ryals
monkey's uncle as you know I don't believe most 'jews' are even 'semites'.Also is the Rick Methven the same as the aircraft or airline industry Rick Methven ?


9/11,WTC:Osama bin Laden on FBI Unwanted List;Barack Obama A Skinny Idi Amin ?

by Tony Ryals | 09.12.2009


Tony Ryals


Barack Obama may turn out to be a skinny Idi Amin.I knew of course all

the Zionists and outright mafiosi and rapers of the U.S.economy that

helped fund him and that he was following the Zionist PARTY line that

Afghani peasants caused 9/11 and thus don't investigate the Israelis

Menachem Atzmon,Ezra Harel, et.al., criminals of ICTS International pro Israeli connections or Securacom of Marvin Bush and the Kuwait Al Sabah royalty at Dulles Airport Washington,D.C. and the WTC in New York or the real cause for collapse of the WTC which may well turn out to be super thermite rather than the planes themselves.But as it turns out Idi Amin was backed and brought to power by Israeli Zionist war and financial criminals just as Barack Obama appears to have been !
22:07 September 12, 2009 by Uncle
From Tony Ryals:

What? Another article about a muslim caught arranging suicide bombings?

aaaa! look here!!! aaa ! Jews, i hate them Jews! aaaaa - everybody lok at meeeee! idi amiin! jews are also germans, therefore they are criminals...aaaaa! here...look here everybody!! barack obama, ytzhak rabin, igal amir, shlomo gronich, netanyahu i am educated!!! i know how to find conspiracy articles in the internet!!! aaaa! here here!!"

"Oh, muslims killed 4 million combined in Somalia and Sudan?

aaaa! here here again! Sri lankans are zionists! jews are guilty in the global warming, financial collapse, they rape economies aaaaaa!!! ehud barak, eyal cohen, tzipi livniiii! they personally arranged the ww1!"

"oh, muslims are warring in Yemen, Philliines and China? mmm... what shall i say? ...

aaaa them Jews drink the blood of babies, Nebuchadnezzar, ho chi minn, Josef Stalin and Ehud Olmert had a secret meeting last week!!! aaaaa! loook heeere! all of you who do not hate Jews betray god and your own mothers!!!"

Aren't you tired? It is just embarrassing... like talking to clinically insane...
22:56 September 12, 2009 by Iraniboy
Pufffff Another set of comments from Anti-immigrant / Islamophobe brigade!! The funny thing is that no one even bother himself to see that this guy is not even Pakistani and he is actually Swede!!!

No one even bothered to read the article throughly when it says "...was never put on trial nor was he told why he had been detained" How do you judge a person without having a trial? 9/11 was really a tragedy but it doesn't mean that whoever looks suspecious should be held years in prison without proof. Thanks Obama for his logical decision.
03:02 September 13, 2009 by Tony Ryals
Oh my did monkey's uncle eat some of that unkosher Agriprocessors Rubashkin

un-kosher mad cow meat blessed by illegal rabbis from eastern eurrope and israel ? i tried to warn you,it makes white poeple think they're semites before it kills them.maybe you should email the usda and complain.also you may begin to think the head of the russian mafia is the 'messiah' as most of them do.not to worry they have a headquarters in stockholm and musolini's replacement berlusconi and his nazi pope recommend them highly.they say zionism is god for you.
03:21 September 13, 2009 by travels
@Tony Ryals

OMG!. To say that you sound psychotic is to put it mildly, that's without even considering the delusional paranoid part. Where do you come from? , where did you learn to write English, or in roman letters for that matter?. Your incessant rumblings, pitiful punctuation and lack of coherent sentences are appalling...and even hard to make sense of or understand.
04:29 September 13, 2009 by Tony Ryals

Aryan Agrarian ...

by Tony Ryals

Then there was later Old World agricultural man,

Migrating further north as he settled southern land,

And losing to survive his healthy southern tan,

Creeping further north a kilometer or so a year,

Darker complected babies dying causing pain and fear,

Bringing agricultural seeds from the Fertile Crescent or Turkey's Anatolian,

Where god was once revered as a woman not a man,

But one thing they could not predict one thing they could not foresee,

Was that their diet, which once sustained them well, was now deficient of Vitamin-D,

What was once a vitamin provided by the sun reacting with the skin,

Was now blocked by protective clothing and skin pigment melanin,

Which deprived their bones in turn of assimilating calcium,

So the disease we now call rickets got the best of them,

How many generations and pain they would endure,

Before the skin was pale enough to provide a rickets cure,

And somewhere in that migration,

They evolved the characteristics of the agricultural northern European,

Lighter skin pigmentation,

Only lighter skinned babies surviving to reproductive age,

Human history turning another page,

A critical distance north and a critical dietary deficiency,

And of sunlight to produce enough Vitamin-D,

The non-agricultural Inuit, or native Alaskan,


The indigenous Siberian,

Or the in-land Asian,


Who are the Inuit's animal-herding cousins,

And possibly,

The Saami speaking "Lapp,"

With Vitamin-D in seafood and animal fat,

Never faced an evolutionary pressure such as that,
05:02 September 13, 2009 by Pacey
Just goes to explain the Iranian connection!! Everything bad starts with Iran either by coincidence or design and they still havent returned our unarmed climbers ( Americans I mean). The Obama administration needs to be strong against them and twist their arm a bit as we have already gotten them surrounded!! Let the fireworks begin or else these ayatollahs will destroy the world. Look at what they are doing in Lebanon now( not content at having started a war Hezbollah is just pushing Israel against the wall).
05:22 September 13, 2009 by Tony Ryals
And the Zionist racist cowards who hijacked a ship in international waters and put

our African American U.S. citizen Cynthia McKinney in chains for trying to deliver crayons to Palestinian children and use Leumi Bank and Union Bank etc. for corp sabotage,U.S.penny stock frauds and stock manipulations and laundering money stolen in the U.S. doesn't win any sympathy for Israel.Go back to your whining wall below the Al Aqsa Mosque and shut up.
08:53 September 13, 2009 by wenddiver
Are these really Swedish values? If so the Swedes that imigrated to the US are very different from the current lot that issue passports to our enemies to sneak into our country to commit murder or facilitate it in the rest of the world. If the Swedish government must issue passports to terrorists, then treat ALL Swedish passports as potential terrorists.

These people are not Swedes by birth, ideology, religion (Church of Sweden), Loyalty (Any of them ever serve overseas with Sweden's military) or threat to the world. These people are destroying your image in the free world.

The Swedish government should be applying itself to improving the lives of actual Swedes and not importing terrorists, muders and oppessors of women.
10:28 September 13, 2009 by Fernandis
Eurostan ...is a Hindu Extreemist, he learned only one thing from his childhood and that is how sow the seeds of hate, this is what his class of ppl do, as i have a long-term experience of these monkies.

He picked "stan" from "Hindustan" which is another name of India, and he dreams to make all Europe (EUROSAN) in Hindu extremist state.....filthy and moronic.
11:22 September 13, 2009 by here for the summer
how stupid can you be. He was a terrorist when he was arrested by the Americans he is still a terrorist. The foolish Swedish government wasted it's citizens money .. Now there are many more terrorists still in Sweden probably on welfare preaching hatred and planning terror .And yes they are all Islamic .. All Islamic people are not terrorist but all terrorists that threaten Europe are Islamic .. it's not racist just true !!
14:18 September 13, 2009 by Eurostan
@Fernandis you are a pakistani in disguise . many pakistanis in disguise on this thread because pakistanis are the biggest group studying in swedish universities.

as per swedish authorities only 10 mosques are there. but unofficially there are more than hundread mosques operating very actively in sweden.

now in sweden the number of people going to mosque is more than any other religion. the only active and growing religion in sweden is islam .

i do not know what SÄPO is doing.
19:55 September 13, 2009 by Tony Ryals
AMSTELVEEN, Netherlands--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 30, 2003

by wenddiver,

Could you also request that the Swedish government be on the look out for Israelis suspected in mass murder in NY on 9/11/01 ? The are believed to be armed and dangerous.The mass murder suspect Ezra Harel is believed to have ied of a heart attack on his yacht off the coast of Israel 2003.

It would be bad enough that theseIsraeli criminals entered the U.S. to perpetrate stock fraud and money laundering activities directed against Americans but the result of that crime has left them guilty of negligent homicide on 9/11 at the very least.

Unfortunately the Netherlands government has chosen to give them safe haven to run their criminal activities from the German government allowed the to control Rostock and the GB or Great Britain may haveallowed them somereponsibilities in the London subway on andaround thetime of a bombing their in 2005.And while I know the governments listedabove along with the Israeli government they have military and political connections to are the most culpable for there crimes,the Swedish government should beawre of these Israeli scum to protect themselvesbecause Israel and their EU '
20:15 September 13, 2009 by Tony Ryals
continued :

partners mentioned above will not cooperate in their protection.Further it must be ponted out that when Rihard Reed 'the shoe' bomber boarded the American Airlines flight

at Charles de Gaulle Airport SHORTLY AFTER 9/11,IT WAS AGAIN THESE SECURITIES(STOCK)AND SECURITY CRIMINALS(SAFETY)WHO WERE IN CHARGE.I wouldgo on but asthere is too much to this story

to add more at this point.However I will say,thanksfor your concern.

And some of our American leaders need to be scrutinized as well.Can you read U.S.SEC filings ?

Quote from early post 9/11 SEC Filing with link:


Icts International NV · 20-F/A · For 12/31/03

Filed On 7/22/04 10:10am ET · SEC File 0-28542 · Accession Number 1012118-4-20

We face significant potential liability claims.

As a result of the September 11th terrorists attacks numerous lawsuits have been commenced against us and our U.S. subsidiary. The cases arise out of airport security services provided for United Flight 175 out of Logan Airport in Boston, Massachusetts which crashed into the World Trade Center. http://www.secinfo.com/dUScp.21b.htm#1vfr

The following table lists the directors and executive officers of ICTS.

Age Postion

Menachem Atzmon 61 Chairman of the Supervisory Board

M. Albert Nissim 71 Member of the Supervisory Board

Elie Housman 68 Member of the Supervisory Board

Gordon Housmann 60 Member of the Supervisory Board

David W. Sass 69 Member of the Supervisory Board

Philip M. Getter 68 Member of the Supervisory Board and Chairman of the Audit Committee

Lynda Davey 50 Member of the Supervisory Board

Avraham Dan 60 Managing Director

Ran Langer 59 Managing Director

Benny Barzilay 44 Chief Financial Officer
22:21 September 13, 2009 by goodbyeammar
i can never understand the low level of debate here. Misinformed guys who are guided by hatred. Hypnotized and brainwashed people. Immoral, hypocrite and selfish people who think only about their interests.

What is the problem of Mehdi Ghezali? What did he do?

Well, first, he is not a terrorist. He is only a suspect. Second, terrorism has been abused insofar as the struggle against occupation has been criminalized. We still do not his story. All the anti-Ghezali rhetoric here is a result of hatred towards Islam. He might be a terrorist but it is too early to say that. He could be a freedom fighter, fighting foreign occupation in Afghanistan. The terrorists are the one who occupy other's land and bombard mosques and schools. All European nations resisted the occupation before. When we talk about terrorism we should not miss the fact that the American, NATO and Israeli troops are practicing state terror on daily basis on Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan.
23:09 September 13, 2009 by I Love it when ...
sweden needs to crack down on punishment for these criminals, the world is a messed up place.
02:04 September 14, 2009 by here for the summer
@goodbyeammar ... 1st he cannot be a freedom fighter as a Swede in Afghanistan .. an Afghani could be but even the Taliban in Afghanistan allowed their soil to be used a launch pad for terrorist attacks .. before the invasion and new Afghan government so even they cannot be freedom fighters ..

Iraq is run now by an elected government and Nata and US are trying to get out from between what is a uncivil war ...Palestine might be a different story but Nato and US are not involved and if they quit shooting their stupid little rockets and elected a government which represented the people it would be easier to have a start at encouraging peace .. Afghanistan has been covered ..

The facts are that all European terrorists are Islamic ..
10:17 September 14, 2009 by svenskdod
@here for the summer. All true, simple as that.

They say Islam is the religion of peace. I agree, when the entire world has come under "submission" then there will be peace. Do you see the wording there? If that day ever comes, our ancestors looking back at us through time will be ashamed that we didn't fight.

To the subject at hand, this guy is SUSPECTED of being involved with Al Qaeda, nothing more. But then we must look at the facts. He has spent time in Guantanamo, so he has to have been in some precarious situation where there was some suspicion. He was released, this can be seen as an acquittal or a lack of proof, but neither rules out guilt. He has been caught for a second time under suspicious circumstances. I usually go for three strikes, but he is not far away.

We then look at the pattern. He had some form of identity crisis. That is the first red flag. All teenagers have some form of identity crisis, but not all of them join Al Qaeda. He wanted to get in touch with his roots, again understandable. This leads him to Saudi Arabia, one of the most extremely orthodox Islamic countries in the world. This is another red flag. He is arrested by the American military at the beginning of their campaign in Afghanistan. Seriously, who goes for a holiday in Afghanistan, and if one is traveling for enlightenment purposes directed from Saudi Arabia.... well there is another red flag.

All of this is circumstantial, but there is allot of circumstantial evidence here.

Anti-terrorist organisations have extensive files on how Al Qaeda goes about their recruitment. The purposely target the easily influenced youths from western countries seeking their roots, they give them a purpose. It also opens up the Al Qaeda network to conduct missions from within that country. They have even started to target blond haired, blue eyed individuals as they would never be suspected.

There is evidence of this everywhere in the world. Last month an Australian/somali traveled to Somalia to join the Islamic militants there. He was a youth with an identity crisis.

The Swedish media should feel real shame for depicting this man in every instance as a victim. Look at the evidence from a neutral perspective, that is the job of the media.
20:10 September 14, 2009 by Tony Ryals
'here for the summer'stated that 'all terrorists are Islamic'.Here's my reply:

First note recent guilty or defensive response to Aftonbladet article and 9/11 by Israeli Ambassador to Sweden.Then story on Israelis who knew events of 9/11 ahead of time.Also 'here for summer' ignores it appears to be a European mafia who highjacked that boat off the Swedish coast that Israeli PM and the Russians have been so interested in NOT Islamic terrorists !And I'm not defending Islam. In truth I wish I never heard anymore about Judeo-christian-Ilamo religious bs in this lifetime.


Israel's ambassador in Stockholm, Benny Dagan, when asked by a Swedish

reporter why Israel did not investigate the Aftonbladet report on

organ harvesting, replied with an unusual answer: "Why don't we

investigate why the Mossad and the Jews were behind the bombing of the

twin towers?"....

A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.

The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set

up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on

Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards.

Police received several calls..claiming "middle-eastern" men with a

white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and


"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" ..

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the

World Trade Center ruins..

Dispatcher: Jersey City police.

Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.

Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh


He has what?

He's dressed like an Arab.

....the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these

terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!

According to ABC's 20/20..the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:

"We are Israelis...The Palestinians are your problem."

Why did he feel Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD?...

..the New York Post, and the New Jersey Bergen Record all clearly and

unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted

on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel...

A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner,

Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for


Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an

Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men,..,

'Our purpose was to document the event."
17:13 September 16, 2009 by goodbyeammar
he does not need to be an afghani to be a freedom fighter!.

american troops were in europe fighting nazi occupation. freedom fighter is anyone fight foreign occupation regardless of where he/she comes from. taliban did not attack other countries. al-qaida is the one which attacked USA. another thing: america was attacked because it attacked other countries. in a short: terrorism against terrorism is not terrorism.

facts: in europe there are terrorists who come from different countries but the media make them to look only islamics. how ? let me explain that:

1-not all those who the media call them terrorists are real terrorist. many of them are freedom fighters. for instance, the media label the people who fight in iraq as terrorists. HUH, should i laugh or cry? those who fight in iraq are freedom fighters, they r fighting foreign occupation.

2-there are a lot of european terrorists. do you need examples. o.,k i give you:

a-the german terrorist who killed the muslim woman in the court.

b- in Finland, two terrorists, in different occasions, massacred innocent students in school.

c-in Germany, shooting in schools and killing innocents have been committed by German several times.

d-mosque is still Europe. according to the human right watch, Russian right-wing terrorists are responsible for murdering hundreds of immigrants, mostly Muslims every year.

e-there thousands of right wing terrorists are attacking Muslims and burning mosques.

f- there are thousands of European terrorists who participate in the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. they were responsible in killing civilians in cold blood. i think you have heard about the recent terrorist attack, committed by NATO, causing death of more than 90 innocent Afghani. you have heard also about the sex abuse and torture which was committed by European troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

if all this is not terrorism, then what is terrorism?

well, there are terrorists everywhere, in europe and in the middle east, but the biggest terrorists in the world are the israelis who are occupying palestine and killing children.
17:15 September 16, 2009 by mkvgtired
Svenskdod, All valid points. When he was detained in Guantanamo the Swedish government depicted him as a victim of American aggression. They wouldn't admit they were wrong, there is too much American hatred at stake. The Scandinavian governments and media are second only to France when it comes to propagating hatred of America. Look at the hostile immigrant population in both areas. It seems like the higher population of hostile immigrants a country has the more anti-Americanism their governments and media express. Instead of fighting terrorism these nations have an unwritten agreement of appeasement with terror supporting nations. In exchange for "safety" they will allow unhindered immigration to their countries, will offer political support for causes dear to these immigrants (i.e. anti-Israel), and will pay jizya tax in the form of welfare payments. Please read the Barcelona Process notes. This is a document supported by all EU nations. This document, "stress[es] the importance of the role the mass media can play in the reciprocal recognition and understanding of cultures". Any mention of media (supposed to be free) insinuates some type of control.
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