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Swedish integration policies 'a failure'

TT/Charlotte Webb · 23 Sep 2009, 13:49

Published: 23 Sep 2009 13:49 GMT+02:00

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According to a fresh report from Statistics Sweden (SCB), the number of inhabitants with foreign backgrounds has escalated in all of the country's most immigrant-dense areas over the past ten years.

Employment has increased to some extent in many city districts, and the number of individuals reliant upon government benefits has decreased to an equal degree.

By far the greatest change, however, relates to the concentration of inhabitants with a foreign background, which has increased dramatically in most of the 38 city districts.

"What the statistics show is that our migration and integration policies have totally failed," said Anders Lago, the Social Democratic mayor of Södertälje, to the TT news agency.

For 38 the districts deemed to have a high concentration of immigrants, from Malmö's Rosengård in the south to Hertsön in Luleå in the north, municipalities have signed special development agreements with the Swedish government.

The goal of the agreements is to improve coordination between the state and the various municipalities and to increase cooperation between administrative authorities and the private and non-profit sectors within each district.

In order to follow the development process, the government has also requested Statistics Sweden with tracking developments in all 38 districts.

The initial results of the agency's investigation, presented on Wednesday, paint a dismal picture of how well Sweden has succeeded in promoting a diverse society over the past ten years, with the concentration of foreign born increasing in most of the districts surveyed.

"In practice, more of these areas are functioning like huge refugee reception centres. They become a passage way for asylum seekers and refugees, which makes it clear that this is a very, very, serious problem for society," said Lago.

In Ronna, a district of Södertälje, south of Stockholm, for instance, the concentration of inhabitants with a foreign background has increased from 66 to 84 percent in ten years.

In Linköping's Skäggtorp neighbourhood in central Sweden, the concentration has increased from 22 to 49 percent.

In nine of the 38 districts, more than 80 percent of inhabitants have a foreign background. The most densely populated immigrant district was Hjällbo in Gothenburg, with a concentration of 90 percent.

Sweden's Minister for Integration, Nyamko Sabuni, however, refused to see the increased concentration of immigrants in city districts as an indication of the success or failure of Sweden's integration politics.

“The purpose of integration politics is not to spread people out. We don't see it as a problem that many individuals with a foreign background live in areas with a high concentration of immigrants. The problem is that many people with an immigrant background are unemployed. The purpose of integration politics is to support people so they can establish themselves in the job market,” she told the TT news agency

“The statistics show that employment is on the rise and the need for economic support is decreasing, which is encouraging.”

The agency's statistics also contained data on a number of positive developments, including a marked increase in the number of gainfully employed individuals in most city districts.

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Both Andersberg in Halmstad and Hjällbo in Gothenburg witnessed a 19 percent increase between 1997 and 2007. In 2007, almost half the population of both districts was employed.

Similarly, during the same period, the number of working individuals in Rosengård rose from 19.9 to 34.2 percent, while employment figures for the entire country oscillated between 72 and 78 percent.

In most districts, the proportion of inhabitants receiving government benefits dropped by as much as six percent between 2004 and 2007.

Despite this reduction, in areas such as Rosengård almost 26 percent of the population retained some form of economic support in the year 2007.

TT/Charlotte Webb (news@thelocal.se)

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16:18 September 23, 2009 by vladd777
The only way immigrants can successfully integrate is by actively seeking to blend in with the population of the country they have entered.

They have to let go of the 'baggage' they have brought with them and accept and feel comfortable with the norms and values of said country.

They have to get along with immigrants from other countries and bury any aggressions and feuds they may have inherited.

They have to learn to speak and even read and write the language of said country.
16:29 September 23, 2009 by Eurostan
The 'Stockholm syndrome' is a psychological term seen in abducted hostages, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger in which they have been placed. As a tongue-in-cheek, I wonder if the 'Swedish syndrome' can be used to describe an abducted nation or society that shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker (Muslims) and sacrificing freedom.

most of the immigrants want more money for less work. they just like taking social money and breeding children.

its kind of blackmail give us jobs otherwise we burn down cars.
16:34 September 23, 2009 by rumcajs
@ vald777

Well said mate. I'm realy happy that the gov. does somethig and that the something is in fact a very nesesary lot, but that's only the half; the other part is about people's attitude (immigrants and natives).
16:43 September 23, 2009 by Pauli
"Integration" is a failure in every country this multicult has been enforced in - all without a mandate from the people.

There is no "diversity" just various enclaves of ethnicity brooding with resentment for the other enclaves that are not of their ethnicity - the last serious race riot in the UK leading in loss of life was between the Blacks and Asians of Birmingham, no "white racism."

And whilst we flood all our western countries with Third World immigrants that already pose a serious problem to our social cohesion in aminority and are out breeding us, you will notice that no Europeans are flocking to Third World countries to set up their own enclaves there.

The point?

Europeans are being slowly destroyed all over Europe - we will not exist as nations or even people if this PC cult / neo-communist deliberate plan of action throughout Europe is not stopped.
16:45 September 23, 2009 by Rick Methven

Opening the comments on this story is a mistake. You get one to the point comment from vladd777 and then the race/religious hate starts from the likes of Eurostan. Within a couple of hours there will be nothing left of the story and no reasoned comment, just the usual verbal garbage from the usual suspects. Cut the comments on this story ASAP to protect all reasoning readers of TL.
16:51 September 23, 2009 by DreEstwd

Anyone with an opinion that differs with Rick Meth is racist and hateful. Only one point of view should be allowed. Thanks.
17:15 September 23, 2009 by vladd777
@Eurostan, I agree with you in a way. An immigrant with a family should only be given permanent residence after having held a permanent job for at least 5 years and thus be able to support that family without having to resort to handouts from the government. As long as the family is supported by a breadwinner and the offspring go to school and abide by the laws of the country the size of the family should not be an issue.

Bringing a limited amount of 3rd world members to said country should not either be an issue assuming that the government sets out clear and comprehensive rules and laws that these immigrants/asylum seekers have to follow. The result of not following these rules and laws should be immediate deportation.

If Australia can have Christmas Island then surely the EU can work together to come up with a similar plan.

...Refugee and immigration detention

From the late 1980s and early 1990s, boats carrying asylum seekers and mainly departing from Indonesia landed on the island. During 2001, a large number of mostly Middle Eastern persons landed with the intent to apply for asylum in Australia.

In 2001, Christmas Island was the site of the so-called "Tampa" controversy, in which the Australian government stopped a Norwegian ship, MV Tampa, from disembarking 438 rescued asylum seekers at Christmas Island. The ensuing standoff and the associated political reactions in Australia were a major issue in the 2001 Australian federal election.

Another boatload of asylum seekers was taken from Christmas Island to Papua New Guinea for processing, after it was claimed that many of the adult asylum seekers threw their children into the water, apparently in protest at being turned away. This was later proven to be false. Many of the refugees were subsequently accepted by New Zealand.

The former Howard Government later secured the passage of legislation through the Australian Parliament which excised Christmas Island from Australia's migration zone, meaning that asylum seekers arriving on Christmas Island could not automatically apply to the Australian government for refugee status. This allowed the Royal Australian Navy to relocate them to other countries (Papua New Guinea's Manus Island, and Nauru) as part of the so-called Pacific Solution. In 2007 the Department of Immigration finished construction of an "Immigration Detention Centre", containing approximately 800 beds. Originally estimated to cost $210 million, the final cost was over $400 million.[7]

In 2007, the Rudd Government announced plans to decommission the Manus Island and Nauru centres; processing would then occur on Christmas Island itself.[8]...

17:31 September 23, 2009 by Rick Methven

I fully support lively reasoned debate on any subject and read with interest varied and informed comment on all subjects. The problem with you is that you are neither varied or informed. You spout the same Bull Sh*t whatever the subject. You have a one track mind and try to turn every conversation into the one subject that you continue to spout verbal diarea.
17:55 September 23, 2009 by Rick Methven

ar'nt nyou one of those immigrants that demand every right as ethnic Swede ?
18:06 September 23, 2009 by waspy
Video evidence from Norwegian TV on the failure of integration and immigration policies in Sweden:

18:12 September 23, 2009 by Staffs
Bear shits in wood!
18:19 September 23, 2009 by Greg in Canada
From what I've read, Canada's immigration policies have been far more successful than Sweden, but there are some obvious reasons for it - English or French language, 200+ year history of immigration, a willingness to encourage diversity, etc. We also seem wanting to encourage immigrants who have specific job skills or have money to invest in starting their own business than does Sweden. I also believe we take a less % of refugees. We still have problems as some groups are harder to integrate than others and we've managed to bring in some ethnic criminal elements, so our immigration policies have problems also.

A country like Sweden can't just suddenly over night become "multi-cultural" just because some politician in the immigration department says so. Why is that even desireable in Sweden when you previously had a fairly homogeneous society that worked quite well. There could be some very detrimental long term consequences to Swedish society. Sweden really needs to seriously rethink it's immigration policies instead of just plodding along under the "Swedish model" and pretending everything is perfect. I'd hate to see the day when the characteristic blonde haired blue eyed Swede becomes just another ethnic group within their own country.
18:42 September 23, 2009 by efm
To Greg in Canada from efm in the USA,

The immigration in Canada and USA is very different. Canada and the USA encourage and think that "diversity" is a good thing and will make the country richer. Canada and USA are also much, much bigger in size and wealth, and opportunities.

USA actually needs immigrants both in the lower class and in the higher prof. class and it has been shown, that in the USA the overall effects of immigrants has been positive. Some nativists will of course disagree. What is the USA without immigrants? Besides, the Indians, everybody one way or another came from immigrant roots. Not so in Sweden!

It is trying to be homegenous and keep the everybody happy, but in a way, perhaps also need some selected people to fill in the old boring pool.

Sweden needs to be honest, How much and what kind of immigrants does it need? Then, allow the selected people to

integrate and not treat them with hatred, and give them opportunity to work side by side with the locals. The locals also have a big role to play. How about being kind, coooperative and being fair!
18:46 September 23, 2009 by HejHej
Mindset like 'Eurostan' is only reason for failure of integration. Anyways nice copy and paste by Eurostan.
19:16 September 23, 2009 by Eurostan
@Rick Methven

i never demand. and never apply for swedish citizenship or passport.

i saw many people who are desperate to get swedish passport by hook or crook and creat a lot of fake documents,and tell a fake stories.

i personally saw one guy who create scares on his stomach himself with shaving blade. when i asked why you have done that, he told me that this is the way many people got asylem and swedish passport in sweden.
19:34 September 23, 2009 by coswede
Swedish integration policies 'a failure'

no duh
19:54 September 23, 2009 by vladd777
Like the guy says..the immigrants/asylum seekers come with 'baggage'..religious beliefs, hatred of whites and western culture, whatever..

They will never be able to integrate because they don't really want to.

They won't allow their children to either and that's sad.

So..after a certain time..if they are still protesting..send them home.

We don't need them and we don't want them!

But at the end of the day there are those who genuinely want a good life here and hopefully they will find it.
20:12 September 23, 2009 by DreEstwd
I think that the biggest problem is the unlimited amount of welfare that they receive. There is no limit to it. Let's say the Swedish govt. gave asylum seekers/refugees 2 years of welfare and then cut it off after that. I guarantee you 2 things: 1st- There wouldn't be so many of them coming here. And 2nd- You sure as hell wouldn't see 75% unemployment rates in places like Rosengård. Putting a time limit on the welfare would solve a major problem.
20:31 September 23, 2009 by Schwoebel
From what I have read and been told about; the problem here in Sweden is the same as it is in the U.S., no regulation. I would also assume that some politicians are afraid to strictly enforce immigration laws for fear of the backlash from both the immigratory populace as well as the pro-immigration citizens. But who am I to talk, I'm an immigrant here too. However, I didn't sneak in, or make up any stories, I was honest and am trying my best to learn the language. (Although I wouldn't mind a bag of Doritos! lol)
20:38 September 23, 2009 by vladd777
Make your own burritos 8)

20:52 September 23, 2009 by Eurostan
They will never be able to integrate because they don't really want to.

They won't allow their children to either and that's sad

that is really true. infact they asking swedish to follow their culture. that why i am seeing many arabic writings on the street. so all arabic speaking people go to that shop and buy things. that makes a unity among centain people and segregation from main stream. where is the integration, how is integration possible????????.
21:04 September 23, 2009 by Greg in Canada

That was a scarey video. Should be a wake up call for Sweden because will get worse before they get better if policies aren't changed.
21:12 September 23, 2009 by HejHej
Mindlset like Eurostan is the sole reason of failure for Integration. Shunt these mindset to grow and we can expect something better.
21:15 September 23, 2009 by Beynch
Integration policies a failure? - Wow! This qualifies as `news`? I would pay money to hear Mona S. comment on this, with specific reference to her Party's role in creating such failure.
21:22 September 23, 2009 by himilo
I, hate racists and their ideology too. I would like to inform you that most immigrants doesn't want financial aid for long time. I see many business man who open super market and etc- for instance in Malmö near Rosengård you can see ABDOS SUPPER MARKET. Formerly he was immigrant but now he is rich. in Orebro I see Alibaba super market. I see vestrås many business places. Look Somali communities they are business creative if you want to realise that you can visit London UK, Minnesota in USA and Nairobi the capital city of Kenya how they are active and open minded in trade. But, the question is why Sweden don't want open small trade windows like UK and USA. this people particularly Somalis they need business competition and less taxation. They don't want 3500 Kr for food and 8 hours for SFI. And that is base of what they call integration.
21:32 September 23, 2009 by HejHej
Human being is flexible enough to adapt any environment . Sweden, no doubt, provides the best someone can imagine to live a happy life, so it is obvious to develop love for the place where your family have a sense of security and protection in all aspects. Integration means 'give and take' , and if forced one out of 'give and take', it leads to disintegration, and offcourse it is time consuming. I do not agree that ' it is failure'. We must curb the atmosphere where ' to-be integrated' feel discriminated in any way through words, actions or policies. The bottom line is ' GIVE AND TAKE'.
21:39 September 23, 2009 by Eurostan

see the following video and also read the comments.


the same things happened in many part of europa cities.

you are angry on me may you are trying to get swedish passport on fake documents or fake marriages like many others.

some people are calling rasist. that is only excuse for your lawlessness.
22:00 September 23, 2009 by waspy

Somalis are not a good example of enterprising immigrants.

According to a Channel 4 Dispatches report on immigration in Britain only 19% of working age Somalis excluding full time students actually has a job. For Britons its 78%.

81% of working age Somalis, excluding full-time students, is either unemployed or economically inactive. For Britons its 22% .

39% of Somalis are claiming income support compared to 4% of Britons.

40% of Somalis are claiming child benefit compared to 14% of Britons.

80% of Somalis are living in social housing compared to 17% of Britons.


They don't seem to be adding much to Britain's economy.
22:35 September 23, 2009 by Tennin

That video absolutely shocked me. Firemen and the ambulance crew are there to help them and save them. Attacking them doesn't make any sense. The people and children saying and doing such things infront of a camera none the less. If they hate Sweden, their laws and rules so much why do they choose to stay here? Sweden's a wonderful country.
22:41 September 23, 2009 by lonelyboy
I'm a young man from some country in middle east. Have been here for 3.5 years.

I have studied here to a masters degree in engineerning. have been working for almost 2 years as well in my field. it means I've been working as an engineer, paid my taxes, been a nice resident etc. I'm not a Muslim believer, but who cares? All Swede's care is that I'm middleeastern. that already classifies me in the "not interested in" group.

I hate to say Swede's are racist, but they generally don't like foreigners. I have not dated any Swedish girl so far, Cause they don't like where I'm coming from....

"where are you from", is a very strong filter for Swedish girls...

I can't make friends with my colleagues, cause they don't like immigrants, you never feel in your job that you belong there, or you are part of the company and are important and your opinion also matters, All you are given to do is

what just needs to be done by someone, cause all the design and analysis is already done by the Swedes. So you start to hate your job and your field...

So how the hell am I supposed to "actively seek integration" in this situation?? what should I do more?

my experience is, unless you are American, Brit, Australian or Scandinavian, you have very very little chance of being accepted in society.
22:54 September 23, 2009 by Hindustani786
Eurostan instead of criticizing people/religion/race, come up with proper ideas to tackle issues related to immigration.

Anyway one of the important reason behind Isolation of immigrant's or their ghettos problem is that Sweden has accepted a bundle of immigrants (Asylum seeker's) with an un-educated back ground.

A person can easily understand the way Asylum seeker's arrives here by paying huge amount to the Broker's.

I MUST SAY MOST ASYLUM SEEKER'S ARE NOT GENUINE. The one who arrived here either from well established families or the person who think Europe is a Heaven. those who really need asylum is out of scope and i bet they even don't know WHAT is Asylum stands for? HAHAHHAA.

22:56 September 23, 2009 by Eurostan

do you know the fact that people kill the good,harmless,non poisonous snakes also.

your case is like that. if you feel like that bring your country to the level of American, Brit, Australian or Scandinavian.

thailand people are quite respected,accepted in sweden.

middle east people especially people who seriouly practice islam(any religion) in the west are not at respected.
23:10 September 23, 2009 by waspy
@Tennin and Greg in Canada

It's been going on like this for years.

This is a video from 2004:


Five years later and there's been no improvement.

That's probably because they've been allowed to get away with it.

If there were harsh punishments against people who attack firemen, police officers and paramedics the attacks may stop.

Unfortunately these attacks are also happening in Belgium, France, the Netherlands, etc.. and the perpetrators are from similar backgrounds in these countries.

You'll see numerous incidents of this nature reported on blogs like GatesOfVienna and IslamInEurope.
23:11 September 23, 2009 by DreEstwd
Lonelyboy, I feel bad for your situation. You have dreams, you try to fit in, you work, you don't collect welfare, etc. The problem is that your type is so rare among people from the Middle East here in Sweden that you are lumped in with the rest of them. I have friends like you. I think that the only solution to your problem is to keep doing what you're doing and remain positive. Also, make sure to show people that you are adapting and integrating. Go out with your co-workers for drinks. After awhile, they will appreciate your efforts. They're cold people by nature so it takes awhile. Try to find some common ground with them. I saw my roommate go through the same thing you are and he's got lots of Swedish friends now. It took awhile though.

Btw, where is that beeyotch Trinaican in this discussion? Surprised she's not here calling me a racist already.
23:21 September 23, 2009 by ropegun247
Listen to the racist comments here. No wonder why the statistics reflect what they do. Immigrants facing all this racism have no other choice but to bunch up in the few areas where they feel safe.

In sweden, people live under a facade of calmness with a latent racism that can only come out under the influence of alcohol.

The other day, I saw a white swedish woman telling a black guy at the recycling center to go home back to his own country because this was Europe. He informed her that he was european too, from Germany. But the woman kept yelling racist things at him. I just about see one of these at least once a week where I live....

Believe me, not even being American gets you into the swedish's good graces, you have to be white first. And even then sometimes being white doesn't get into their good graces as my british friend has told me. So it's just a general despise for foreigners. Muslims are easy targets because they are easily identified as different.

My theory is that the anti muslim sentiment can be largely attributed to the American propaganda that infiltrates the swedish psyche. Deep down inside every swede wants to be gringo!
23:43 September 23, 2009 by waspy

Have you seen the Swedes insulting the Chinese and Indians or is the hate directed primarily to people of Middle-Eastern and African descent?
23:47 September 23, 2009 by Eurostan

comment 38 is good.
00:06 September 24, 2009 by peropaco
Swedes being anti muslim has nothing to do with American propaganda.Most Swedes view foreigners with absolute contempt. Did you know that most white Swedes would not buy BMW's nor Mercedes because they say it is the preferred car for Turks?
00:32 September 24, 2009 by Antioche
I don't understand how swedish people can use that much of stereotypes even though they travel a lot in the world.You can't just put everyone in an entire nation or religion to a group, everyone do that more or less, but one should know that is wrong.

Like many said, "where are you from?" is an important filter for swedish people that doesn't apply if you are a professor or a asylum seeker, you are just the same. Maybe if people try to look for beauties of the other nations beside the negativities.

For the guys that made some negative comments on middle easterns(particularly in arabs) are the guys i noticed from the comments of Aftonbladet article. I assume that some of are jewish or/and israelian.It's funny how they seperate them from middle east, even though their holylands are in middle east, they came from the same origin from Arabs and they speak very familiar languages.Maybe thats why they have hard times to have good neighboor relationships with surrounding countries.I may say most of the fault is not on them but still.

By the way, i am from turkey and in turkey bmw and mercedes is also regarded not much classy because of the people with many but lacking class.It is also regarding the official car model for germany immigrants.I guess down here, all of people of 70 million regarded as same.

As in the integration, it is discouraging to see peoples look when they hear where you are from.I am a student and i don't particularly need to stay here but it should be hard for the ones to come here to built a life.Also, integration can't be happened in one generation, and these altitude will take the next generations even further apart.
00:45 September 24, 2009 by glamshek
To be Multicultural is perfectly nice. However it requires some heart which the Swedes have yet to get. I really feel they were very nice within themselves but the test comes when you are up against other cultures and your real test is when you are upp against the odds.

This is natural. And I hope they will learn it with the passage of time just as Americans learnt and implemented. However due to 9/11 even Americans lost track and I hope they get back on the same good bandwagen as soon as possible
01:15 September 24, 2009 by totyis
Ok, so migration and integration politics have failed. And do nothing about it! In a few decades the integration of Swedes, as a minority, will be even a bigger failure.
01:55 September 24, 2009 by svenskdod
OK, so the Swedish integration policies are a failure. Is that not what the public has been saying for years? It is saddening that people are forced to express what they really think under pseudonyms etc. for fear of violent repercussions. Most of what is said above is absolutely correct, but some people are either in denial or just absolutely stupid.

When I first came to this country I was given a book about Sweden. It was published in every common language and said that it was the Swedish peoples responsibility to change, not mine. This is the result of multi-culturalism for the sake of multi-culturalism.

IMO, during the early 70's the government analysis's looked at the way the population was going, and saw a problem. The population was getting old quickly because of not entering WW2. There was going to be many people retiring, and there were not as many babies being born. So they were going to need an influx of people from somewhere. They opened up the borders to let these refugees in and gave them large benefits so they wouldn't return home after the fighting stopped. They called this "multi-culturalism" and sold it to the public as being kind to lesser countries because Sweden is a utopia right now. They would easily hush the opposition by calling them "racists." The plan worked and people came in their droves. Unfortunately there was no thought as to what would happen when the population was stabilised. The annalists didn't plan that far ahead.

Now most Swedes are not happy with the situation and are beginning to see what the great multi-cultural plan has done to the fabric of Swedish society.

Sooner or later, the people of the cities who are most effected are going to form vigilante groups just to keep their children safe. The police are powerless to keep order, something the car-burners know. Once this happens, I don't know whether to support them, or join them...
02:17 September 24, 2009 by glamelixir
As an immigrant I must say a couple of things

EMF you stated Sweden needs to be honest, How much and what kind of immigrants does it need?

I totally agree with you and I am glad to see that someone ha the guts to say this in a hypocrite country like Sweden.

When are we going to start making a difference between the terms refugees and immigrants?

EUROSTAN I am really dissapointed by you. I am an immigrant and I prefer to have a practique for free in my field than recieving any kind of welfare. I was a succesful carreer woman in my country and I am better educated than most swedes and still can't find a job. Don't confuse things here, I don't want welfare I WANT A JOB.

Sweden is failing in integration, no doubt. Specially when it comes to well educated immigrants.

Sweden is failing in not having the guts to admit they can't handle to get in more refugees.

I agree with the person who stated welfare should be limited to a couple of years, and it is not the first time that I state that Sweden needs to stop giving passports as if they were welcome candy bars.

Then immigrants will be seen from a different perspective and hopefully discrimination and prejudice will decrease giving place to more work places.
04:27 September 24, 2009 by Eurostan

sweden do not want people who beg jobs.

go out yourself and find job that is available and the job you can do, and support yourself. there are many people right now in sweden who complain that they are tooooooooooooooooooo much educated and cant find job.

sweden simply want people who can find job themselves and pay good amount of tax. simple.

its very funny to see people saying "I WANT JOB".no job ,just go home.

come and see how many non swedish people are working in ericsson from japan,south korea, china and india. sweden has many global companies like ikea,h&m,arla,abb,volvo,scania,skf,ssab,lkab,saab cars,saab jas grippen, saab bofors dynamics,ericsson,sandvik,tetra pak,securitas,electrolux and many more...think why swedish employer are not offring jobs to immigrants.i found many reasons. not only the colour factor that is people always like to blame.
05:21 September 24, 2009 by soultraveler3

Every word you said is 100% true.

If they would've been more cautious and let refugees trickle in instead of flood in Sweden would be much better off now.

But...the politicians, and some native swedes have this holier-than-thou attitude. They want to be percived by the world as being open and enlightend and the best country.

Like we've seen in the discussion boards here, there's the swedish way and the wrong way. Yeah, we joke about it, and roll our eyes, and for us love refugees, we giggle at our swedes and just go along with it. We say, it's just the way they are. Therein lies the problem.

The educated refugees and immigrants end up being in the same boat as the uneducated ones do. I went to university and worked in pharmacy for 10 years and I'm looking at at least a couple years of school to do the same thing here that I already know how to do.

There are some that take advantage of the system but there's also alot that don't want to be on welfare. I was talking with an iraqi guy from school the other day and he told me that he hated getting a check every month and thought it was embarrasing.

Below is what I hear from swedes all the time.

1)They didn't think it was going to be 1000s of refugees per year.

2)They feel that their taxes are paying for people who, for the most part, don't appreicate it.

3)They don't understand and get really angry when police and paramedics are attacked while trying to help people.

4)They feel like they're losing their identity as a country. By this they mean, not being allowed to sing their national anthem, not being able to say they're proud to be swedish and being accused of racism by having a swedish flag, etc.

Imo, #4 is their own fault. The EU takes the PC thing to the extreme. It seems like you're almost taught to feel ashemed of who you are. Like the welcome to sweden book says, we should be okay with whatever you want and if we're not we're bad.

You don't really see that as bad in other parts of the world. Countries in asia, africa, the middle east and the americas sing national songs, fly their flags, take pride in their tradition, and expect immigrants to do the same.

Of course, people need to be sensitive to others, but you can't degrade yourself at the same time. Do you think if you moved to an extremly religious or traditional country they'd say the same thing sweden does? I think not.

It's hard for BOTH sides to see the other's pov.

The HUGE numbers of refugees doesn't help anyone, native or immigrant.

It only leads to more segregation, more prejudice (on both sides), more violence, less understanding and less chances for true intregation.

Bottom line if there were less immigrants there would be more oppórtunities, there would be a different perspective and discrimination and prejudice would decrease among everyone.
06:11 September 24, 2009 by Investor612
efm wrote:
07:16 September 24, 2009 by HostileKnowledge
Rick said:


Opening the comments on this story is a mistake. You get one to the point comment from vladd777 and then the race/religious hate starts from the likes of Eurostan. Within a couple of hours there will be nothing left of the story and no reasoned comment, just the usual verbal garbage from the usual suspects. Cut the comments on this story ASAP to protect all reasoning readers of TL.

Cut off debate so reasoning can be protected?

Did you ever really listen to yourself?

We can travel the world and enjoy and appreciate the differences that exist, but that does not mean all cultures can intermix without encountering differences that simply cannot be overcome.

The fact is, multiculturalism is just a form of Utopian insanity.
07:39 September 24, 2009 by Tennin

The only thing to do that works the best is kill them with kindness. That's what I do. When I went to SFI class, the Iraqis didn't like me much because I came from America. When they said mean things to me, I just laughed it off and kill it with kindness. Eventually they all became nice to me.

I met a guy who is dating a friend's little sister, he's originally from Iran. But he's lived here for over 10 years now, and he's more Swedish than the Swedes. He's a really nice and fun guy, and intergrated himself into the Swedish culture. He's a guy that makes people not see him for his color or background, but for who he is on the inside. He showers everything with kindness and laughter.
08:50 September 24, 2009 by Rick Methven

Actually as I have read the posts that have been made on this story, I withdraw that call. I have been pleasantly surprised by the posts here. There are a lot of positive contributions from a lot of new posters including immigrants that have marginalised the blind hate messages from the usual suspects.

As I have said before on other similar threads, immigration has been handled badly by the government here, but we have a situation that we have to live with and try to improve, what the Social Democrats and their supporters want - to throw out all immigrants from certain ethnic/religious groups is never going to happen. Marginalising these people only perpetuates and strengthens the Us and Them attitudes on both sides, leading to acts of mindless violence by a minority of people. These acts are then singled out by the anti-immigrant lobby and applied to ALL immigrants. This does not help the situation at all.

Waspy asks the question "Have you seen the Swedes insulting the Chinese and Indians or is the hate directed primarily to people of Middle-Eastern and African descent? " my answer is YES. Although I am white, British and married to a native Swede, we have an adopted son from the Philippines. He is a Swedish citizen, has done his military service for Sweden, but still is targeted by the racists accused of being a "Muslim" even though his name is Kristian. After six years in Sweden he has a good job and many friends both native Swedes and immigrants.

Throw away remarks like that from peropaco like "Did you know that MOST white Swedes would not buy BMW's nor Mercedes because they say it is the preferred car for Turks?" is misleading and false. There may be SOME Swedes that think that way, but it is certainly not MOST Swedes. This kind of generalizing from the particular is the kind of statement that increases racial tension rather than improve matters.
09:11 September 24, 2009 by big_daddy
@Rick Methven


The other side of the truth could be that EUROSTAN is neither an immigrant nor has the possiblity to have a permanent residenceship, merely an hourly-worker hired by some local companies. They love to identify themselves as consultants in some highTech companies, we see them in the office clung togehter all the time uttering english in strange tones, stinks of their strange food (exuding from their cloth/body)barely allows other passensgers to sit by their side in the bus/trums/metro, always eating the same dirty dish in the lunch, blatantly chauvinist...noding the heads all the time whenever/whatever you talk to them (weirdly confusing!!)...and probably the most worthless community the western world can have. The only thing you can have from them is their talkativeness, giving solutions to every problem of this mandane earth in the most convincing way. If you follow the comment/posting of Eurostan in some recently related "The Local" articles, you would find the validity of my judgement.
09:12 September 24, 2009 by magic1964
The title of this article is wrong and explain all: "Swedish integration policies 'a failure'"

It should be "Immigrants have failed to intergrate into Swedish society". If people decide to come to Sweden it´s up to them to intergrate Swedish society and it´s not Swedish failure...
09:36 September 24, 2009 by unkle strunkle

It has already begun:

10:03 September 24, 2009 by HejHej
@Eurostan. Don't you know there are many Indians earning their livelihoods in many Middle eastern countries ( Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia .... and many others) and you are always insulting these countries. Your comments are just adding fuel to already burning fire of hatred. What if some person from middle east turn harsh to Indians in their countires because of mind-set you are trying to show-off. Be mature, talk sense and be a part of solution, and you will feel your life meaningful.
10:04 September 24, 2009 by heresneezeduck
Hi reading the remarks on the subject i feel quite sorry for the Swedish people as a hole,I do agree that some people from other countries can't or wont mixe it happens all over the world. Take my family we came over in the second world war to help the Norwegians in the U.K fight for their country..after the war we stayed in Scotland,I cant help praise the Scots for their openes for other races.My family lost a ties with Sweden we dont speak Swedish we dont have any of the Swedish ikes the you associate with Sweden.. ie culture. We dont even have Swedish names..but we have blond hair ,blue eyes,high cheek bones...And we still get asked how to spell our name.....as we still get asked were is that name from?..
10:12 September 24, 2009 by Rick Methven
1. In my comment above i should have said SWEDISH DEMOCRAT not Social Democrat

2. big_daddy From his other posts in TL He seems to be a fundamentalist Hindu who hates muslims of any sort. He hides behind a cryptic pseudonym so he could be anything - bad English though
10:12 September 24, 2009 by heresneezeduck
Buy the way if my family moved back to Sweden we would be immigrants now that's fact...
10:57 September 24, 2009 by donaswe
The problem is in only one word : MUSLIM! They don't want to integrate! Muslim immigrant are the most. Muslim immigrants are the thickest part of the problem of immigration. Sweden has always welcomed immigrants from all over Europe. But let's face it: the problems created by Muslim immigrants are much more numerous than those created by others. You take the view about women that have the Muslims: it is perhaps compatible with the West?
10:58 September 24, 2009 by chuks
@ Eurostan,

what kind of qualification do you have and what kind of job are you doing?
11:43 September 24, 2009 by HejHej
@donaswe... " There is only one word. MUSLIM" .......... there are two more words also " Jews " and " Christians" . As a matter of fact, all these three faiths of Abrahmic religions caused maximum destruction to Humainty. Any kind of religion when deemed better than others, start creating problems or when a group of ppl starting discriminating others on the basis of caste, color, race of religion again cause problems. And you are doing the same job by accusing muslims.
11:45 September 24, 2009 by bettan1
The real problem is the forcing of an immigrant culture to integrate with a Society which does not want them in the first place. Maybe the problem is not immigrants trying to immigrate, but the Aryan homogenous needing more directed acceptance of these folk from the 3rd world.

Drop these people who come from a cultural, tho materially poor, but rich in friendliness and hospitality even to strangers, into the land of cold hearted "Nordicland Über Alles" and yeah they're going to gravitate to their own cultural familiarity. But for the most part, differing immigrants seem to get along with each other. An example is the weekend Kviberg open air maket in Göteborg where various immigrants come together to celebrate a life that use to be normal before the big move here.
12:02 September 24, 2009 by big_daddy

Its difficult to say what he does but there could be several possibilities:

1. The so called consultants (low hourly paid non taxable jobs)- These kind of people are hired from the parent country and have very limited access to the swedish civic amenities/social benefits since they are denied of having a person number.

2. Why/How they come?: In a big company (mostly VOLVO/ERICSSON), when the local manager of a city/dept send a requisition for a cheap consultant to the Human Resource Dept (HRD)-the definite choice is to get to those paricular group of consultants hired from that particular country. The HIRING AGENT (belonging to that special country) convinces the HRD (they know how many ways to convince!) to get worthed (!!) manpower from theirs. In the end, when we receive them, all are worthless sheets (needs to be trained almost everyting!).

3. Could be students--I would be shocked if I know that an western educated gye could have such vision/mentality although such parochial mentality are not untypical even for the most western educated guy beloning to that community. We have witnessed all along...
12:20 September 24, 2009 by thelionking
1. Language stubborness

2. Lack of distant colonies

3. Geographical location to other (non nordic)populations

4. Small population of Sweden(relatively)

I dont know?? But I find Swede's surprised with appearance. I have Afro centric features which in France, UK, US, Brazil, Canada etc would never cause the children to stop and stare.

It can be a little discomforting.

But perhaps, its not immigrants alone that are the issue.

If you stand and stare because....boy oh boy..you have never seen such hair and skin colour on a person in real life

- (sic) what are the chances of that same person knocking on your door asking for work and you take him seriously.

I know, that some immigrants have disappointed Swedes...no question. But,sorry its Sweden thats selects them over other (perhaps) more "integratable" immigrants.

Problem is that ALL non "Svenssons" are then painted with the same brush BY SWEDES!!!

Hence nothing happens and the resentment and distrust persist and seemingly integration "fails".

Its a curious observation that the ONE (clearly non Svensson)minister got this "Integration" tag and subsequent failings...

now those ill informed will be thinking.."We told you so about letting in darkies..."

She has done no wrong.Its a tough job. But perhaps stereotypically if she was a musician would be the darling of Sweden and a model of integration perfection (sic).
12:43 September 24, 2009 by Rick Methven

"Did you know that MOST white Swedes would not buy BMW's"

Check out Aftonbladet today. There is a list of the salary and Bonuses paid to Swedish Bankers. 7 of the 13 had the cars they drove listed Guess what 4 out of 7 had BMW's 1 even had 2. All where white Swede's

Maybe you should call them and tell them they must be Turks in disguise!!
14:19 September 24, 2009 by jonathanjames61
I have a dream,that one day ,no man will be challange of his race,nationality,religion,etc but before then let live our live,I always tell my self if my country was good,i will never need a visa to sweden nor get myself into this refugee business,but so long it has happened like this i just live my life hehe hehe hehe,hoohoho hohoo.
15:43 September 24, 2009 by donaswe
@Hejhej Go! Go in a muslim country to spread christian or jewish religion! Go! Go, if you are a woman, in a muslim country and live like a western woman! Go! What are swedes have to do? To pay taxes (hight taxes) to maintain people that don't want to learn swedish? To pay taxes (hight taxes) to mantain people the want to come in a public space/office/school completely covered?
16:54 September 24, 2009 by waspy

Immigrants from India and other countries that are not European are routinely abused in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Even if those immigrants are Muslims themselves they are still subject to abusive conditions.


17:06 September 24, 2009 by vladd777
@Schwoebel: of course i had it all wrong and sent burritos instead of doritos so here it is..from one immigrant to another 8)


Anyway..to finish off my 'argument..and i think some good points were made in this one in spite of the earlier sceptisism..oops dunno about that spelling..it's all this darned Sw-English ((

I think a great portion of the Swedish population has no clear idea of what is occurring in the country regarding asylum seekers.

I myself ( yes..I'm a 'plastic' swede ) have only really been 'enlightened' because of the articles in The Local.

I just re-read one of them and the situation is not good to say the least!


What will eventually become of these boys and all the many others who are still to arrive?

It has taken me 23 yrs to integrate and I still feel as if I'm not really accepted and I look like a swede and think like a swede ( for the most part ) and I am born into the western culture.

Usually I'm an optimist but it's hard to remain optimistic when you know what you know.

Western culture is not and never will be 'muslim'...

Let's hope the powers that be will get real before it gets any worse!

Destruction and disillusion are the operative words..
17:38 September 24, 2009 by human on planet
western countries must treat the muslims in such a way that how they treat foreign people(non europeans) in middle east. most of immigrants in middle east countries are also muslims from india, pakistan,bangladesh,indonesia.

what is the criteria to get saudi citizenship?

does immigrants in middle east countries have any basic human rights?

Is it moral that men from middle east often go to poor countries to marry(rape) young girls in the disguise of religion? .

i guess, couple of years from now in the future there will be collapse of swedish welfare system because of immigrants, mostly came to sweden to just take social money.

noone like the people who are throwing stones on firemen and police men, that character is common to muslims through out the world. i know it 15 years ago. naive swedish police came to know it just a year ago.
17:47 September 24, 2009 by Dinaricman
How about those pesky Slav's?
18:24 September 24, 2009 by Investor612
efm wrote that immigration in the US has been proven to be a good thing. Not so. It is both a good and a bad thing. The good is the hardworking energy of many immigrants and the skills the highly educated portion contribute. The bad is that the uncontrolled US border has allowed in a flood of illegals, most of whom are uneducated and unskilled and place a huge burden on government services. It has also let a criminal element in and immigrant crime is a big problem.

US immigration policy has the effect of discouraging immigrants from countries/cultures that easily assimilate and are lenient to some resistant to assimilation. It's a;so true that American immigration policies often place barriers for the highly educated with needed skills, and are slanted towards the uneducated and unskilled.

By the way, the American Indians immigrated too, from Siberia. I'm not "nativist." I'm married to an immigrant. I'm all for a sane and controlled immigration policy.

My observations on visits to Sweden is that Swden's immigration related problems are even worse than ours.
19:56 September 24, 2009 by thelionking
I am confused.....All this Muslim this...Muslims that..is "Muslim integration" then, the yard stick of this integration topic???

I am sorry some here feel refugees come from countries they personally dont approve of. This kind of thinking fuels the very stigma that has come with the label "refugee"\ immigrant.

Does anyone out there find it funny of USA/Australia and New Zealand moaning about immigration?? .....ask the native Americans, Aboriginee people and Maoris about their yester year "refugees".

I believe many to Australia especially were social misfits like known criminals etc in some cases. Its clearly worked out there. And all these countries done well despite those historical and perhaps unfortunate injection into the pre existing populus.

Of course by the standards I am understanding from above a plane full of PHAT...yummy Brazilian honeys/hunks as refugees would stimulate very different feelings in every 'red blooded' man or woman out there. And I am with you on that score.

However, you are unlikely to get them sorts sadly. You more likely to get widows\ mothers of perhaps several young-uns accompanied by (perhaps) difficult traumatised men traumatised from war zones. Neither of these makes an easy job for integration.

Lucky Sweden has been doing ok in the relatively recent past history. Things are a lot more dynamic than you may think. Remember the Egyptian society (Ptolemy, Cleopatra days)??? They too were "living large" as perhaps some feel Sweden is today.

World dynamics has ensured that no one coutry has had it good FOREVER.There is a history lesson you cannot ignore somewhere in all this.

America is\was the undisputable power state of the world...in my life time to the somewhat quirky nation they are today...I am sorry Americans but...you have it good now other players are and have come into the frame while you sort out whatever is happening there with your health care?!? (or whatever) has reduced you to what you are. Its very sad whats happening there.

2 terms of the genious of George W cant have helped (but dont get me started on that one)

Darwinism to the max...evolve or die. Sadly its true here for Sweden and the rest of the world. This sillyness of holding onto to some imagery of what a nation's appearance should be, is the stuff of dinosaurs.Stupid!!

Who would have anticipated that the son of a Kenyan immigrant would sit in the world's biggest political office...its happened. Nations are built and destroyed. They rise and fall....refugee's can come from anywhere. Be nice to other people...you never know when you are entertaining an Angel.
21:01 September 24, 2009 by waspy

Darwinism to the max?

Evolve or die?

Darwinism and evolution are all about discrimination.

We discriminate in favor of beings that have characteristics that we deem to be desirable and discriminate against those beings who have characteristics that we deem to be undesirable.

The Out of Africa theory of human evolution states that we evolved from black Africans but Europe became inhabited by a white majority because light colored skin and light-colored hair provided advantages in cool climates like Northern Europe.

If we continue to follow Evolutionary instinct we would ensure the exclusion of people who are not adapted for life in cold climates.

By encouraging the migration of non-Europeans into Europe you are fighting against Darwinism rather than fighting in favor of Darwinism.

We also have societal evolution to consider.

Society can not continue to improve if you have a large number of people who attempt to destroy that society through arson, assault, vandalism and other crimes against its inhabitants.
22:45 September 24, 2009 by thelionking

Better ship back them lost Ozzies really quick then...Their light coloured features will be playing havoc with their temperate climate attributes.

Mugabe in Zimbabwe has started helping your cause, excellent thinking...wasp

Define European waspy. What is a European to you??

"mein kampf" has been proven to be NOT so reliable in this regard.
23:22 September 24, 2009 by Hagrid
What is it with The Local?

It seems so many stories here are intentionally touching on one of two very combustible topics - the Middle East, and Immigration. All for what? Promoting hate/racism? Getting readers at each others throats? Rating purposes perhaps? If TL became such a tabloid, at least give us enjoyable tabloid news... Instead of these incendiary Immigration articles I'd want more of those environmental dildo/ flammable army bras stories...
23:23 September 24, 2009 by thelionking
Comment: @waspy

"Society can not continue to improve if you have a large number of people who attempt to destroy that society through arson, assault, vandalism and other crimes against its inhabitants..."

We agree on this one, I know its terrible.

All them poor native Americans,Aboriginean people and Africans went through hell and like you, I absolutely feel for them too.

"By encouraging the migration of non-Europeans into Europe you are fighting against Darwinism rather than fighting in favor of Darwinism."

Are you some sort of professor or what??

I am wetting myself with your intelligence...F@*#ing genius wasp. We will re locate people to regions which suit their ancestral back ground....why did nt anybody think of that before, its pure genius wasp....

And while you are on a role: what of those mixed blessings from mixed relations, what do you suggest their fate be? New planet??
01:01 September 25, 2009 by waspy

I think you know what a European is and so do many other Swedes.

Just read through the comments from people on this site who mention the strange looks they get because of their non-European appearance.

You can look through the Y-haplogroup maps and see that Europe is primarily inhabited by members of the I, N, R1a and R1b haplogroups.


We are genetically distinct from people who inhabit other parts of the world.

BTW, I would have no problem with advocating the return of Europeans in Africa and Australia as long as we had a return of the non-European in Europe.

It was unfair for the indigenous people of those regions to have been dispossessed of their lands and subjected to the rule of foreign people. We should make sure it doesn't happen to the indigenous people of Europe.
02:57 September 25, 2009 by Alexander.
If this immigration hell is not stopped in a nice political way, meaning peacefully, then we will have a civil-ethnic war raging trough all of the Western countries, that will make WO2 look like a theaparty. And all those leftwing-liberal pro genocide idiots will be to blame.

Do not forget their names. For we shall not forgive.
07:45 September 25, 2009 by Leprehcaun

Omg, the integration policy has failed? I had NO idea! Oh wait I did, wasn't that obvious 20 years ago? Wow news travels slowly.
09:26 September 25, 2009 by thelionking

I rest my case.

From your comment..."Y-haplogroup maps and see that Europe is primarily inhabited by members of the I, N, R1a and R1b haplogroups."

Wow!You sound to be advocating testing for European-ness too.

Your ideas of an arian super state caused quite a party 50 years ago. Natural selection has taken care of the rest of your type thank God, and we can rest easy today that your type is all but wiped off the political landscape of planet Earth.
10:10 September 25, 2009 by Nina_
I have been living in Sweden for several years, and I have always been treated well by Swedes, who are usually curious to know about me - I am originally from South America but my background is European. At first, I thought that the main reason to why some foreigners were not being treated as they thought was appropriate was related to their immigration status (asylum seekers), as they often arrive in the country depending on social welfare, which can make some natives upset. However, I recently found out that a few of my friends who have South Asian backgrounds have several complaints about the way in which they are treated, even though they came to the country to work in very good positions. It saddens me to think that only white immigrants are welcomed to the country. I love all people and I wish that everyone was like me.
10:23 September 25, 2009 by magic1964
Of course there is a dose of racism in Sweden just like in any other country in the entire world. But hey, how many immigrants try to cover their failure with racism ? It´s so easy to blame more racist Swedish than digging into your own mud.
16:27 September 25, 2009 by Dinaricman
European means being a memember of either the Nordic, Alpine, Dinaric, or Mediterranean races.
19:35 September 25, 2009 by Greg in Canada
Any way you wish to argue it, the bottom line is that Sweden's immigration policies are simply not working. If stupidity was against the law in Sweden, the politicians that created these policies would be doing jail time.
01:37 September 26, 2009 by Brad_L
I came to Sweden as a student because I love this country. I enjoy Swedish culture, have Swedish friends, am blonde and blue-eyed, and am continuing my advanced education. People don't believe me when I say, in Swedish, that I don't understand them. I am indistinguishable from any Swedish guy, but I can tell already that I would never be integrated. For me, it has little to do with society or government policies. Yes, Swedish people are cold by nature, but I've found friendly ones even so.

It is something so simple as the housing system. I'll have to wait years in a queue before I can apply for a suitable apartment in a nice neighbourhood, to live up to my normal standard. No immigrant can compete with someone who will inherit an apartment in a neighbourhood where ownership never changes hands, or who will get into the queue as a teenager many years before they need to live on their own. It's disappointing, but I will simply leave. I know it's not the same for a refugee because I can choose Copenhagen, Paris, London, New York, etc. instead, but I would have chosen Stockholm if I could "get in".
04:10 September 26, 2009 by Bob Jacobson
Every new wave of immigrants in America -- and we have had many -- has had to live with these same arguments from nativists and racists wanting everyone to speak perfect English, demonstrate the same social customs, and basically be like they are. The immigrants' religions and ethnicities have been derided, their sexuality fetishized as a danger to "the women," and their habits compared with lower animals. When they have erupted in anger and, yes, thrown things at police, firemen, and other individuals they believe represent authority -- nothing to be condoned -- they have been reviled as thankless troublemakers.

Amazingly, within two or three generations, they are part of society. They still may wish to live in cultural enclaves or they may chose to live among others -- but they do so lawfully and their kids identify as Americans. Interestingly, all of the nationalities, ethnicities, and religions identified in prior posts are represented among these settled new citizens (most become citizens). Even the influx of Mexicans and other Latinos stirs concern mostly among the extreme right, on racist grounds. Business people find them to be solid workers and progressives like their contribution to community. Most of the bad stuff that occurs is a result of America's insane drug-war policies that corrupt everyone associated with the drug trade regardless of whether they are police or gang-bangers or poor compasinos.

Swedes are simply too impatient. They want instant solutions. You've been doing this for 20 years? 30 years? Try 100 years -- the time required for us to change our constitution to prohibit slavery. Try 250 years -- the time required for us to elect anything other than a white man as President. Then you can be impatient. But don't go backwards. There are plenty of examples of cultures that are too insecure to succeed with immigration policy or anything else that matters; these fail and are swept away. Sweden needn't be one of them. It's culture is resilient and adaptive, when it let's itself be.

Also -- and this is for sure -- global warming over the next decades and century will make Sweden the most popular destination for Europeans fleeing increasingly intolerable conditions in their own nations. What will Sweden do then? Mount an armed coast guard and defend against any newcomers? For how long? To the last man? And then?
09:50 September 26, 2009 by Tutu
Sweden is a racist country. Everything that happens in sweden is always looked at from stand point of race. Whenever anything happens the first thing we are interested in is what is his or her rac. Let look at the kind of immigrants UK and Sweden allow. UK mostly allow economic immigrants i.e people that have something to offer. Sweden on the other hand wants to fill her population and accept only political refugees. When people with careers come here (we sometimes train them), we turn them back and Norway takes them. That is why Norway and Denmark are better than us.
10:01 September 28, 2009 by svenskdod
Some people here think that it will just take time for the immigrants to assimilate into the Swedish way of life. There is quite a bit of evidence to the contrary.

1) The immigrants coming to this country now have an ideology so far removed from Swedish it is difficult for them to understand it (and vice versa).

2) The immigration authorities have told the immigrants that they can keep their identity and culture. They have been told that it is the native Swedes that have to change for them.

3) The Muslims coming here have been raised under Sharia law. They have been taught that this law has been laid down by Muhammad directly from their god. In this way Sharia is directly tied to their religion. Sharia ideals are radical and extremely illegal in Sweden.

Can people see how these factors are not racially motivated, but tied to racial motivation indirectly?

It is about ideology, not racism.

Sharia can not work in any western country, it is an absolute based on dark-age perceptions. One can compare it with burning witches. Are suspected witches still burnt today? This is a part of our past that we are embarrassed about, Muslims are proud to practise Sharia.
16:28 October 2, 2009 by efm
I am a naturalized American of mixed race. I came to America from a 3rd world country, as an immigrant with a post graduate degree. I then, studied in a US University to a doctoral level. I still have this strange "accent". I don't look the typical white American. But I believe I achieve the

"American dream". I am the head of a department and 10 white Americans answer to me. The other high level officers of the corporation treats me with respect and decorum. I drive a Japanese sport's car(350z)not BMW and live in a nice neighborhood. Tell me, just for curiosity, is this possible for an immigrant in Sweden?
03:52 October 22, 2009 by scandie
I am at a crucial point in my life- I am a Swedish-born immigrant living in America, and this year I decide whether I am going to return to Sweden to attend university and become a member of that society, or remain in America. I have decided Sweden, simply because I think as an ethnic Swede, and as a person with interest in giving back to a society, I can make the most difference there.

I know I am in a unique situation- one that can offer some unique perspective on the situation I will return to. I lived in Sweden during my middle school years, and found my peers there almost hilariously unaware of the outside world- they lived in their comfortable, homogeneous society and perceived America through MTV-type shows. When I returned to America, I would sit at a lunch table and sit with people from literally every single continent in the world. And I loved it. I loved the willingness to understand each other's perspectives and the open mindedness Swedish children simply didn't have the opportunity to develop.

However, even being an immigrant myself, and valuing the socialist values of Sweden (America has some serious issues with corruption and convoluted politics- look at our healthcare, our social security, our education- it's disgusting) - Sweden needs this reality check,

They already let in immigrants in without proper intention for integration and lack of awareness for the horrible strain it would put on the welfare system- so arguing about how Muslims suck and we should kick them out is like crying over spilt milk. The more you whine without discussing viable solutions, the more complicated things have to be for Swedish politicians, who end up doing as the Americans do, and only reporting what they think their voters will like.

A no-tolerance policy needs to be implemented in Sweden, when it's inhabitants are harming the society. A citizen who relies on welfare without contributing to the government and society who pays for him is not a Swedish citizen- he is an invalid. A citizen who harms other citizens because of Islamic religious convictions, and preforms murder, is not a citizen, but a terrorist- a criminal. A citizen who refuses to learn Swedish is not a Swede.

The muslim community needs to be educated and faced with reality. And Swedes need to stop hiding in their rooms, being sterotypically introverted while their teenagers become nazis. A new solution is needed, fast. And if we spend time worrying about who will like it and who will retaliate, we are simply giving our next generation the problem, while the nation crumbles around us. I know there are immigrants in Sweden who appreciate Swedish culture and want the opprtunity to contribute and unify the society- and if we run around screaming about Muslims and Jihad and Islam, we are pushing them back into their isolated communities.

Be willing to understand them before you condemn them- and work together.
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Almost two weeks have passed since Bob Dylan was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature and he has yet to acknowledge the win. The Local asked Swedes what they think of the singer's silence.

Sweden cuts 2016 refugee forecast by thousands
A Swedish migration authority office in Stockholm. Photo: Maja Suslin/TT

The country has also slashed its prediction for 2017.

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