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Bishop blasts pastor over anal sex outburst

TT/The Local · 9 Dec 2009, 15:55

Published: 09 Dec 2009 15:55 GMT+01:00

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The bishop of Växjö, Sven Thidevall, has called the controversial pastor to a second meeting after the two failed to iron out their grievances at an hour-long meeting in the southern town.

"Apparently we're going to continue our discussion in February," Sandahl told news agency TT after Wednesday's head-to-head with his superior.

The rift between the two men stems from a church summit in October at which Sandahl challenged a female delegate over her expression of support for same-sex marriages.

"Right, so you think that when you fuck somebody you should do it in the ass?" said Sandahl.

Eyebrows were raised at the pastor's outburst, with the bishop immediately slamming his choice of words as undignified and offensive. Sandahl countered that the meeting was of a private nature and that he was accustomed to using language in this way.

"The bishop is trying to use his episcopal power to get me to toe the line," said Sandahl, adding that he had "massive" support from his own congregation on the island of Öland off Sweden's south-east coast.

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Bishop Thidevall said Sandahl was at risk of losing the trust conferred on him as a church pastor and confirmed that a second meeting had been scheduled for February.

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16:35 December 9, 2009 by vladd777
He just called a spade..a spade.

Biblical teaching condemns sodomy and that's what anal sex is.

Even when women 'enjoy' it.
16:39 December 9, 2009 by Thompsuleme
Hmmmmm! this is very dicey. should a clergy be so vulgar even in private meetings, well mabe. Still the subject is beyond normal reasoning(depending on which side of the fence you sit).
17:49 December 9, 2009 by Davey-jo
He shows a singular lack of imagination as what two people can get up toif they put their minds to it. Maybe his fixation with anal sex is a personal preference.
17:50 December 9, 2009 by spy
Note to TL:

In Europe an 'Ass' is a hoofed animal and I am pretty sure he wasn't suggesting that gay people are into bestiality. . . Anyway this year's nativity schene could be interesting; Joseph would have the choice of pairing up with 'the virgin Mark' or a donkey.
17:57 December 9, 2009 by Nemesis
This guy has a serious hang up about anal sex and is very obsessed about the subject.

Most likely he some sort of sexual repression problem and we will read about him in the next year or so having a strange sexual encounter.
18:47 December 9, 2009 by spy
The female delegate could have wrong-footed him easily by saying they she, like many other Swedish women, like it up the 'ass' (arse not donkey).
18:57 December 9, 2009 by jonathanjames61
I pray people should learn to seperate mans Teaching and The Living God teaching
19:40 December 9, 2009 by Random Guy

once again this church shows who their real god is:


and about their speech:


21:03 December 9, 2009 by vladd777
@Random Guy

Point taken but..

Obviously when what was said is translated into English it sounds gross but the Swedish version is actually the 'standard' version in that this is the way the average swede on the street speaks about sex in general.

I would think the pastor was speaking 'objectively'..
23:15 December 9, 2009 by wxman
"This guy has a serious hang up about anal sex and is very obsessed about the subject.'

No, actually people who engage in anal sex have the hang up. It's abnormal behavior; they are the ones with the problem.
23:40 December 9, 2009 by lapua338
Biblical teaching... what a joke!

Your so-called god of the old testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
23:50 December 9, 2009 by laura ka baal
What a culture, hot rod should be inserted in the pastor anal first who allowed this anal act, where in bible its written so.
00:21 December 10, 2009 by Dr. Dillner
Gee, "lapua338", why not just come right out and tell us your true feelings of religion in general, except this time do it in a non-judgmental, non-name calling way, okay?
00:22 December 10, 2009 by Pornduck
Ban religion completely, and we would live happier lives. And richer, with the church-taxes gone and all.

Can I make my own bible and follow the bits and pieces I like and suits me the best?

Since the religious people don't follow the bible to the letter, just the parts that justifies what they are doing.
01:50 December 10, 2009 by krigeren
@lapua338 Great name. Great cartridge.

Fjuck the story just read the headline and you get a good laugh.

"Bishop blasts pastor over anal sex outburst"

Visualize that for a moment. It sounds like a shiity mess if you ask me.
02:23 December 10, 2009 by JoeSwede
I feel that those that search God's truth will always come down in a wide spectrum of strong beliefs. We need to respect everyone's guiding faith.

Why is that gay sex is so important that it be universally accepted by the Swedish Church? The Church should instead focus on accepting all believers. Dag Sandahl is a good Christian.
02:41 December 10, 2009 by krigeren
@JoeSwede your heart felt comments are touching.

I imagine you in a white tuxedo with a black tie on a riding lawnmower in front of a perfectly maintained home. If I were to visit you we would have tea and perhaps scone and discuss the finer points of life.

You sound like such a good person...I want to put on a pair of boxing gloves and for you to do the same and we to pummel the fjuck out of one another. I don't care who wins...every punch I take would absolve some sort of deep sin in my body.

I then want you to come with me...to my pure Garden. Come with me to Mel's diner in Hollywood and have a beef steak sandwich. Have some starlets sit down not far from us and pick them up taking them back to our hotel and sniff coke off their asses and we pleasure ourselves.

Then I want you to put on the gloves and absolve your sins on me. Afterward we sit down for scones once more and discuss the finer points of life. Only then I feel we can accomplish something in our lives that this mere discourse cannot.
03:04 December 10, 2009 by Davey-jo
Joe Swede in 5 lines you've sent krigeren into loonyville; well done.
03:11 December 10, 2009 by krigeren
@Davey-jo Do you live in mayberry to?
05:12 December 10, 2009 by norling
He also maintains a nice big closet for struggling gays to sit in and spew their self loathing hate. lapua338 if your ever in my neck of the woods your more than welcome to stop by for a drink.
05:45 December 10, 2009 by artaxerxes
I love lapua338's description of the old testament god. I might copy it down somewhere and save in case I need to plagerize it and pass it off as my own! My sentiments exactly. Kudos!
08:52 December 10, 2009 by Newyork-Växjö
These Churches are based on what? Do they accept BIBLE or just has thier own Bible ? If they follow Bible then it clearly Says NO GAYs and in some verse it teachs you things about pornography .

I wonder that on the new version of Bible they will remove these verse which stops gays. but first lets a few lesbian and gays become pastors then by the time they can remove verse which are against them.


"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to DEATH; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:10-11)
09:39 December 10, 2009 by livinginsweden
Reading the headline ... I thought there was an orgy of anal sex in church.

My god ... is that how homosexuals have sex .... up the arzz ... for years I have been wondering how they get sexual gratification ........

How am I going to explain to my kids .......????
10:57 December 10, 2009 by jack sprat
Clerics are elected and chosen to teach the bible,...... not to rewrite it to suit their perverted ways.
11:39 December 10, 2009 by Britswedeguy
+1 for his plain speaking.

-100 for being an ignorant bigot.
11:45 December 10, 2009 by hilt_m
I think we need to focus not on the subject but on the way it was said. We get enough of this from TV and Radio, do we really need our holy people to start using foul language as well? Enough with the scripture quotes people! focus!!!
13:55 December 10, 2009 by calebian22
I love the usage by Bible bashers of only the Old Testament scriptures. The New Testament is about Christ and the love that is available to all who believe. Whenever there is a conflict between New and Old testaments, Christ's teachings should be followed. However, that being said no where in the red texts of the New Testament does Jesus bust out an, "It's alllll good, baby!" The Son was not a moral relativist.
17:10 December 10, 2009 by izbz
The whole problem is still the HOLE problem
21:43 December 10, 2009 by laura ka baal
Bible has been changed.
02:02 December 11, 2009 by JoeSwede

Well written response. Of course...with all the snow of late... I'll be sitting on a snowblower drinking my tea and eating my scone. My house spiritually speaking is a house of cards...ultimately we're all sinners in life and God loves us as we are...but I guess the creator wants to change us and mold us in the creators image.

I think that we should acknowledge what the Bible states and then either downplay certain verses or not...that's where the spectrum of instights into God emerges from (nevermind our actual lives where God's presence shines).

Now about those starlets...
03:30 December 11, 2009 by Davey-jo
I bet if you quote the pastor you will be blocked for "profanity". Wonderful country, Sweden!
07:01 December 11, 2009 by krigeren
@ JoeSwede

Good times.

Are you baptist?

You sound like Bill Clinton explaining the bible. Keep it coming!
09:11 December 11, 2009 by benraph
The old testament is not talking about our world, but the spiritual world. It is a map about understanding forces going on inside us. For instance the story of The Israelites leaving Egypt and entering Israel, represents the leaving of our Ego( Egypt - Desire to recieve for oneself ) and entering Israel ( Spiritual world- Desire to give )

So the words taken in the bible have completely other meanings. Only when we as Humans understand that all of us are actually 1 being, like the cells in our body, being us, will we understand the bible properly.
13:49 December 11, 2009 by MichaelZWilliamson
Remember: If the church doesn't like it, it's "abnormal," even if 50% of people try it at some point. Even if everyone involved enjoys it. Even if no one is harmed.

Because what's really important here is worrying about how people have sex. That killing, cheating, stealing, abusing and lying stuff, that's important too, but first, make sure you have only the approved kind of sex.

Because that's what Christ's love is all about.
14:46 December 11, 2009 by Random Guy
@ MZW, to love Christ and show this, you have to love what he loved, and HATE or ABHOR what is bad:

15:42 December 11, 2009 by MichaelZWilliamson
benraph: No, I'm pretty sure when the Bible talks about leaving Egypt, and slaughtering Canaanites to take their land, it's actually referring to leaving Egypt, and slaughtering Canaanites to take their land. There was something in there about raping their women, too.

The Egyptians even document some of this themselves, though they claim they kicked out the filthy, leprosy-ridden slaves, and the ones whose wives gave VD to Pharaoh. I guess everyone has their own side of the story.

Don't worry, though. Murder, rape, infanticide, arson, terror, even lies and torture are okay if God says so.

And if Christ says so, you can go ahead and eat pork, wear different threads, work on the Sabbath, skip being circumcised, whatever it takes to boost numbers for the church.

Just don't have anal sex, though.

Might lead to dancing.
17:06 December 11, 2009 by wenddiver
Lutheran's as a group were founded on not toeing the line for Bishop's whose actions make them little better than Pagans.

Pastor Sandahl is a heroe of the faith having a "Here I stand Moment", just like Luther and his Bishop, in the end who remembers Luther's Bishop????

As to decorum didn't the original Martin Luther say his Bishop Knew as much about religion as "an ass did about playing a harp". Didn't the original Lutherans illustrate it with a picture of a Harp wedges in a butt???

I bet this Bishop, isn't doing anything to get the original Lutheran Confessions into the hands of the Swedish people, if he did he would be hurting his own case.

Christ went into the Temple and flipped the tables of the money lenders, Pastor Sandahl, probably seems to understand Christ, Luther,Bohnhoeffer and the Lutheran Confessions, better than his Bishop, so he should continue to teach.
20:36 December 11, 2009 by Spud Lite
@JoeSwede has a creative and interesting "bent" in this discourse.

1) Sexual preferences, hetero or homo; and

2) Religion.

Seems that the two are (for some reason) totally in apposition to one another.

Why can't gays/lesbians be spiritual/religious without all of this dialogue and presuppositions?

The two subjects have precisely nothing to do with one another. The interpretations of some collective/revised/accepted old book (the Bible) purporting to be the Word of God are suspect at best, and incendiary at worst.

"Suspect" might be Nazi and English troops standing in front of the padré before some useless carnage, and being assured that God is on their side.

The incendiary aspect is best demonstrated by the concept of the Crusades, for example: We will "visit" these countries, and attempt to convert them to Christianity. If this fails, we will slaughter them, loot their households, pick up everything of value, send it back home, and build extravagant estates. Successive generations will sustain them.

People have been engaging in homosexual activity since way before recorded history. Leave them alone, for God's sake (pun intended). If it's not happening in your sitting room, who cares?
21:29 December 11, 2009 by benraph
@MichaelZWilliamson, Why are you so sure the bible is talking about what you say? Who told you this? The problem is with all religion that people like you take words to mean what you translate them to. the Koran to is discussing the spiritual world. Religion is not created by the Creator, but by man. Can you not see that we are all corupt. We only get out of bed because we profit from it. Jesus was a Kabalist and understood deeply the true understanding of the Old testement. There is no such thing as Sin! I am no better than a murderer or a rapist! Why? because i had a different upbringing that gave me opportunity and a chance to stop living in flight or fleet, but if i was born in Africa and i had to worry about the next meal for my family, then maybe i would be a murderer. We have less than a 20% chance to be born in the west, with so called human and civil rights. And even less so to be financially secure and free. Do you really think that any true God would care about punishing us for things that are natural for us to do. When i was a kid, i stole, i killed insects, i cheated on my girlfriend, and i still look at porn today. , but God does not judge me for that. Our creator loves us so much, that he exists inside of us. Look and you shall see, listen and you shall hear. i am not coming from any religious point of view, but from a kaballah point of view.
23:44 December 11, 2009 by sometimetoquestion
Good evening locals around the way,

What a timely subject. A post by someone called prolife on line got me thinking...........

Well whats love got to do with it, who needs a heart when it cannot be broken...... into!

The prolife institutions are having a hard time in these times. Yet everyone is a result of some little tiniweeny percent of prolife endeavours. Some are just a result of a jerkoff and they are getting to be the ones who have weaved their way to ensure the"hfeuw man" rights.

But vanity and the love of flesh have got one too many on all stratums of society on a track where the rails do have an definate end. Worthlessness. What defines homosexuality anyway?

Does believing in equal rights and justice incur that a girl fallatioing a man would/ could / and should wish he fallatio a man too and a man cullingusing a woman should /could / would wish she culingus a woman too. Then aren´t all homosexuals who condone any behaviour which is besides the point of use of body but instead abuse of body.

Any statistics that can be verified that show promiscuity is promoted by for example disposition / food eaten / beverages consumed etc must be allowed to be debated and challenged as NOT to be ajour. Instead of the polerizing of the healthy argument by worthlessness.



Some "phoney links", before you all badminders say anything. Read them yourselves and get out of the room now you are atleast out of the closet. Whatever we do not agree with or is not condoned we easily rationalize.

The democratic dilemma; can citizens know what they need to know.


15:40 December 12, 2009 by TvAmazon
It interesting to read so many points of view but it is also obvious that most of those points of view have little or no education in Christianity. It is very clear that bible tells us to love one another and to treat each other the way we want to be treated by others. The bible also says many things are wrong with homosexuality being one along with envy, gluttony, adultery, theft, murder among others. The church's leaders should be able to set the example and those who commit these sins should not be allowed to continue in their leadership positions. What would Sweden do if it's king decided to become a devout muslim. Should they be allowed to start changing the royal family along with the country? How would Swede's feel if it's king became a rampant homosexual and divorced the queen and decided to take on a male queen?

The bible is the most recored and documented historical book in history. It has thousand of copies dating by over a thousand years. These copies have very little variation and have been translated by many many hebrew scholars. For those who have studied the bible and the history of it's origins and why the text was chosen to be in the bible vesus that which was discared it is again obvious these things are harmful and wrong.

If we did everything that felt natural and good to all of us then alcoholics and drug addicts should drink and drug themselves to death and paedophile's should be able to molest children. These things are wrong because they are bad for us. Homosexuality while understandable is harmful because having anal sex is one of the easist ways to spread disease to both parties and although not as serious will after many years usually require the receiver to either wear diapers or have corrective anal surgery.
18:09 December 12, 2009 by sometimetoquestion
TV amazon, why are you soooo factual and correct in the information you provide? This info I would not suppose is part of the church and or school syllabus. Therefore very subjective pillars of knowledge, meaning only to breed promiscuity and affect drastically the natural population flow and a whole lot of waste and abuse of sperm and fertile eggs. Isn¨t there enough food as it is why we so greedy?

Poor sperm finding out it was to meet up with some faeces or down someones gullet instead of a predictable alleyway with more purpose than for sexualities expressivness; how vain and disgusting. When each and everyone of us are a part of a miracle at first then we get messed up along the way. However no excuse there are ways to preserve the earthling race.

But we do not have to care since it is not up to us.

What uselessness!

18:25 December 12, 2009 by wenddiver
Does anybody have an address for Pastor Sandahl, I wouldgladly write him a letter of support for standing up for Lutheran values. Maybe he could come and speak in the US?

It is so refreshing to find a leader willing to swim against the tide of filth that engulfs society today. Sweden is lucky to have him.
02:51 December 13, 2009 by norling
I have never been able to understand why some people need religioun to be descent upstanding members of society. Alcoholism drug addiction and pedarasty are universally condemned regardless of religious beliefs. The bible has been revised and rewriten many times based on what is fashionable for the times. I an atheist believe in doing the right thing because I prefer to not be a dick head!! Religious people do the right thing because they are afraid that they will swim through lakes of fire covered with zits and warts. I am married to the same woman I married in 1977 because I love her and have never cheated on her, I have never cheated on her because I love her. Some people who are religious marry and have kids because they think its the only way they can controll their homosexual tendencies. Better they just accept their lot in life than breeding when nature says no.
23:10 December 13, 2009 by Moshe
Norling, stated "I an atheist believe in doing the right thing because I prefer to not be a dick head!!"

What I hear Norling saying is: "Everyone who doesn't believe has he does is a dick head."

Sir, some people need religion for the same reason you need to be an atheist.

Reading your post makes one think you are no different from religious people.

You also stated: "Religious people do the right thing because they are afraid that they will swim through lakes of fire covered with zits and warts."

Sir, some religious people do the right thing, just like you, because they love G-d. Are you the only one who is capable of loving?

sir, those zits and warts are more likely caused by someone having anal sex with an infected partner than one who is afraid of G-d.

Homosexuality is a sickness and the bishop was correct but how he said it was not Christ like and he needs to work on how to communicate with others.

Adios, amigo.
05:01 December 14, 2009 by wenddiver
The Bishop is advocating Sodomy in the church and pretending to be concerned about the Church's image?????

I would stick with the Pastor who curses, at least he is a normal man.
05:17 December 14, 2009 by norling
Your wrong about alot of religious people. They need to be frightened to death by some bogey man in order to live up to societys norms. Homosexuality is not a sickness, it is not a choice, the only people who believe that are people who had to force themselves to be heterosexual, either to satisfy society or because their afraid of being cast into the lake of fire covered in warts to suffer for an eternity by their "loving and compassionate god". I don't need to be an atheist, its not a religion, its not a belief, its just a word.
07:24 December 14, 2009 by wenddiver
Ever notice they always say it's normal then accuse the person who abhorrs them of being one.

Let me see if I have this right, If I'm a Man who thinks he is a girl, I'm normal, but if I am a man who thinks he is an electric toaster, I am crazy! What if I can heat bread by wedging it in body parts, am I not more of a toaster than you are a girl????

What if I have believed I am a toaster since birth? What if I feel more comfertable dressed up as a toaster? What if Liberal psychaitrists were ok with my being a toaster? What if I get the law changed to define Marriage as between one Male toaster and his toast? Why can't I teach people's children in school that being a toaster is normal and their parents are wrong and evil if they don't want their children to be toasters? Are you discriminating against me if I am a toaster made in China or an exploding Islamic toaster?

Very confusing, I will stick to dating Ladies, traditional Lutheranism, Pastors who are real men and teach real Christianity and hope we don't catch anything from those of you who don't.
13:37 December 14, 2009 by Random Guy
@Norling & @Wenddiver - If anything goes, then a child rapist is not a choice, they are just born that way! Everyone would agree that statement is just wrong.

Now don't flip out, I am in no way saying someone with gay tendency's is the same as s child molester, but it IS about choice. Someone who has bad tendency's can act on them or CHOOSE not to. Same thing with an alcoholic. They can choose not to drink at all!

So who says what is right or wrong? Not you or me, only our creator has that right. He has the right since he made us. We may not like it, but it is our choice if we want to show we love God and want to make God happy or not by our lifestyle and choices.(http://bible.cc/james/1-12.htm)

It really is all about choice and we are all free to make our stand one way or the other.
21:53 December 14, 2009 by wenddiver
@ Random Guy- Yes I think you have it right. All ignorant, repulsive, vile behavior is genetic and we should show how advanced we are by getting out in public and demonstrating it immediatly.

There is no such thing as vile, awful behavior, so men get your Stilletos, boas and fishnet stockings and parade around on the altar. Your big hairy gutts are needed immediatly in the Lutheran church, we also have positions fof Lesbians with facial tatoos and other laughable degeneracies too nymerous to list. Scare the children and maybe if your genes tell you to, go on dates with them.

We also have a program to turn old Lutheran churches into Mosques to abuse the women of this nation with and propogate the ignorant third world ideologies with. We are super modern like France, we are so rural that we have to copy them, we are secular, so out with everything good, decent, uplifting that Sweden has had , since the 1500s (the reformation), we insist that Men, Women and Children live as crazed Baboons.

And anybody doesn't agree with the new sick religion we will call them in-tolerant abd racist for not listening to the Homo-sexuals and Imans. By the way we will re-write the history books and take out heroes of your church like Martin Luther and Gustavus Adolphus and replace them with the first Pastor to be ordained who devoted his life to getting respect for each Sin and Ordination as such.

" Yah, this is Mackmud he is our first openly Murdering Pastor we have ever ordained" We ordained him after Ivan our first openly Bolshivik traitor. Young men of good conscience need to throw these frauds off the altar and give it back to the Families, Sweden, Women and Children.
12:06 December 15, 2009 by sometimetoquestion
I am glad the turn and perspective of the discussion has taken. It is very healthy for us to straighten our backs and have various reality perceptions be on the same line about this extremely "taboo" subject.

As to inform and if needed scould or reprove individuals of this very worthless lifestyle we could get incriminated. The problem lies in that one too many people who have rationalized this behaviour (even down to the bishop) are going to be the fuhewman rights that get precedence in sociatal "progressive development"

I should and could not condone such an antilife (1)agenda to preside over sensability when I know that all who able to have opinion i.e. all of us alive and empowered are certainly of a result involving the use of our sexuality and not the Caligula styli abuse and misuse of sexuality. It just goes to show the society of civility is just that and to be uncivilized must be more progressive and prolife. Mind us all that it is not always the same vessel that takes us to that understanding. However with honesty and decency as pillars for perception we would be able to have this more inate.


antilife - In media studies, sociology and psychology, the term framing refers to an inevitable process of selective influence over the individual's perception of the meanings attributed to words or phrases. Framing defines the packaging of an element of rhetoric in such a way as to encourage certain interpretations and to discourage others. The mass media or specific political or social movements or organizations may establish media frames.

We are all unfortunately part and parcel of the homosexual society since we are only one sex at a time, right! As well as a description we gave earlier.

Out is in and in is out.

Does believing in equal rights and justice incur that a girl fallatioing a man would/ could / and should wish he fallatio a man too and a man cullingusing a woman should /could / would wish she culingus a woman too. Then aren´t all homosexuals who condone any behaviour which is besides the point of use of body but instead abuse of body.


16:39 December 16, 2009 by Random Guy
Again, to love Christ and show this, you have to love what he loved, and HATE or ABHOR what is bad:

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