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Bodström calls for Ask resignation

TT/The Local · 23 Mar 2010, 07:50

Published: 23 Mar 2010 07:50 GMT+01:00

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"One can not in the long term have a justice minister who does not understand that you can't name and shame innocent people," Thomas Bodström said to news agency TT.

Ask made her controversial statements at a parliament seminar on prostitution last Thursday, saying that a suspected sex buyer's family and friends should be informed.

"I could imagine having envelopes in a very garish colour and sending them home to people suspected of this offence," she said.

Ask argued that naming and shaming sex buyers would be an effective deterrent.

"I think the worst thing that can happen to many of them who are out there buying sex is that someone in their circles finds out about it," said Ask.

Speaking to the Aftonbladet tabloid the day after, Ask conceded that the garish envelope idea was perhaps not the best move in practice, but defended the idea in principle.

"In practice maybe we can't have coloured envelopes, but we have to show who they are and let those around them know," she said to the newspaper.

It is this conviction that has moved Thomas Bodström to act and, writing on his blog on Monday, he called for Ask to take back her comments or resign.

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"We can not have a justice minister who so clearly disregards the most basic principle of justice - that you are innocent until proven guilty," said Bodström.

In a further interview, with TV4's main news programme, Ask has underlined that no one is guilty until so proven and explained that her comments were meant rhetorically.

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08:41 March 23, 2010 by izbz
Step down Beatrice!!! To ask her to take back her comments will not help! A politician that can ever think of such a suggestion is not fit to be in politics. I am all for women's right but a woman who sells herself definately does not deserve that right since she herself disgrace herself.

Politician like Beatrice will say anything to be on the media.
08:53 March 23, 2010 by livinginsweden
Bodstrom .. pot calling kettle black ..... remember what you did to the singer who was accused of rape after having sex with a girl about 10 years ago?

You are no angel .... your blog serves to only highlight your hypocrisy...

You should resign from the human race.

ha ha
09:13 March 23, 2010 by stenhuggaren
@izbz while you are obviously an enlightened individual who should be commended for graciously accepting women in ministerial posts, Beatrice Ask's gender is of no relevance and lends no predisposition for making stupid comments - a brief glance at political history (or this forum) will tell you that.
09:16 March 23, 2010 by Kevin Harris
The position of minister of justice is solemn and dignified, involving decisions that can affect ordinary people for the rest of their lives. It involves a clear understanding of law and justice. Beatrice Ask is not a lawyer. She does not understand the basic concepts of the presumption of innocence until guilt is proved, or the right of young people to go about their lives without intrusive interference from the state. She spontaneously announces crowd-pleasing policies and only later refers them to her department to see what they think "I have to check with them." The professional lawyers in the ministry must live in constant fear of what she is going to say next.

Is it too much to ask that Sweden's minister of justice discusses policy with her advisers before she announces it, or that she has even a basic understanding of what justice actually is?
09:47 March 23, 2010 by Puffin
@ livinginsweden

"Bodstrom .. pot calling kettle black ..... remember what you did to the singer who was accused of rape after having sex with a girl about 10 years ago??"

Are you talking about the opera singer who was convicted of raping a 19 year old and a 7 year old child??

What is it you object to? He represented his client - the 19 year old - in his role as counsel for the the victim at the trial which is what he was supposed to do as a lawyer

What Ask is proposing is to identify people as sex criminals before it gets to court by allowing family, neighbours etc to see from the envelope colour that the person is suspected of a sex crime even if the case never goes to court. The general rule is that the identity of the accused is not revealed before conviction - although in the case of the opera singer he chose to wave his anonymity as he wanted to plead his case in the media before the trial.

This is the problem that the Swedosh government has created by appointing a political justice Minister who:

- is not a lawyer

- does not have a law degree - in fact is not a college graduate ......
10:07 March 23, 2010 by Tiddler
I would estimate that 70% of married men buy sex, and 70% of married women sell sex perfectly legally, it's called marriage and security.

And speaking rhetorically is no excuse, it's even worse, obviously she wanted no debate on the subject.
10:38 March 23, 2010 by livinginsweden
hi puffin

Bodstrom broke the first premise of law..... circumstantial evidence ... and hearsay ... to prosecute a 'crime' that is many years old ....etc... ... and did you read about the 16 year old daughter who falsely accuse her father and another man of rape? .... Bodstrom went to court without any piece of evidence. dna or otherwise.....

he is basically like all lawyers ... below the feeding chain and below rubbish collectors and grave diggers in respectability....

He picks on Ask for free publicity ... which is prostitution in itself ... is an election coming soon?

and law is laypersons' common sense of what is right and wrong .... so you do not need a law degree to be fair and moral... or a justice minister .....

... and at the end of the day ... we (almost all of us) are all prostitutes and customers of prostitutes .... we exchange sex for love..... we exchange sex for a good life .... we exchange sex to climb up the career ladder, etc.... it might not be money as in currency ... but when we exchange love for sex... and exchange sex for otehr motives ... love is the currency ... so we dont always pay or accept sex using currency money ... but money in other forms.....

so Ask might have to name everyone .... especially politicians who sleep all the way up....

ha ha
10:54 March 23, 2010 by Texrusso
This is normal proceedure in Finnish Justice system, In Finland, they shame suspects in every possible way even before he or she is pronouced quilty or acquited. Sweden must not follow the steps of shame-less and World's most inhumane people of Finland
11:50 March 23, 2010 by Audrian
I do not understand why the minister is beating around the bush. Why does she not seek to irradiate prostitution instead of wasting her energy on the clients? If she focuses on irradiation, she might find that prostitution is one of consequences of inequality. Some single mothers/women unable to make ends meet go into this demeaning profession and suffer psychologically. Help them to channel their energy into productive work and prostitution will come to screeching end. (I have never heard of rich woman in sex trade to make money. or woman people. It is worst lots, income wise, which become prostitute.

Another point to ponder is that in public policy, you do no pass a law/regulation unless you are sure that you can implement it. The case in point is the lump some tax imposed by Prime Minister Thatcher on every British citizen, poor or rich. It was a mean policy by an arrogant and vicious woman; and it failed. Still another example of failed policy is the drug policy in the US and Mexico. The drug enforcement agencies in these countries spend billions of dollars, but failed to control its spread.
14:34 March 23, 2010 by joe90
here are ways to tackle the problem

i will use a common sport pastime to illustrate

Fishing Fisherman or Fisherwoman = PERSON BUYING SEX

Either you stop the Fisherman Fishing (take action on the Buyer)

or you remove the Fish.(Take action on the seller)

feed the fish so much that they will not take a fishermans bait.(buy the prosttutes out with money and other benefits to stop working)

Make the location of the fish bait so horrible or difficult to approach not many fisherman will go too the trouble to fish (unlikelybt tried in some countries and led to the creation of secret fishing spots)

make a series of ponds where Fisherman and Fish can meet at a price for both under the supervision of a Fishery manager.preventing abuse to the fish and to the fisherman.(happens in some countries)

If you chase fisherman they will hide and go on fishing trips to other countries or organised trips within their own country.

revealing them will lead to a naming and shaming war which could hurt both sides the Answer is not straightfoward and needs a change in the mindset of millions of Men and woman.

He (or she) who is without sin shall cast the first stone, after a little while they all left leaving their stones on the ground not harming the accused
17:05 March 23, 2010 by jdbpogo

"This is the problem that the Swedosh government has created by appointing a political justice Minister who:

- is not a lawyer

- does not have a law degree - in fact is not a college graduate ......"

i really didn't realize that. what on earth is she doing in that office? maybe she was appointed as a "do boy", somebody who who just do as she was directed. but... as we saw with the American president Bush, its really a mistake to let her go off script.

not only should she be fired, her handlers should be fired as well (if she doesn't have handlers, then all of superiors in the chain of command should be, because she obviously needed one). their incompetence is second only to hers.

get her out of office. she has no business being there in the first place.
17:31 March 23, 2010 by Puffin
@ livinginsweden

Bodstrom broke the first premise of law..... circumstantial evidence ... and hearsay ... to prosecute a 'crime' that is many years old ....etc... ... and did you read about the 16 year old daughter who falsely accuse her father and another man of rape? .... Bodstrom went to court without any piece of evidence. dna or otherwise.....

Living in Sweden where did you get the idea that Bodström was the prosecutor in this case??? He was not the prosecutor - so you'd better check your facts

The two prosecutors in the case were

Anna Håkansson

Ingela Svensson

In the Swedish courts the victim is also allowed to ask questions during the proceedings

in this case

Thomas Bodström was legal representative for the 18 year old nanny

Ullan Johansson was the legal representative for the 7 year old girl

So he absolutely was not the prosecutor in this case

Also I would not say that there was no evidence in this case - a lot of the evidence was circumstantial but the evidence of the 18 year old nany's employer was very detrimental to the defence who found the girl after the rape and witnessed to her extreme distress and shocked state. Carola also testified about the girls distress.

It was also very damaging for the defence that the defendent told several different stories about what happened that night - in fact the versions he told in court were very different from the police interview explanations. The court said that in their judgement both victims were very credible and the circumstantial evidence supported their version

The opera singer appealed this conviction both to the court of Appeals and the Supreme court without the verdict being changed.
22:30 March 23, 2010 by Frobobbles
The problem is that a minister that show such bad judgement as Beatrice in her public announcements, also lack the judgement to resign.
01:53 March 24, 2010 by delusion1982
How about a name-and-shame for stupid ministers!

And the pink envelope goes to Beatrice Ask, but do not worry Beatrice, you are innocent of stupidity until proven otherwise. That's why we are sending you an IQ test form in that envelope too!

There is a myth that says judges should have some limit of wisdom, and here comes the myth buster!
19:58 March 25, 2010 by BrendaLev2
It's pretty obvious by now that Feminism has done much to damage society and rob men of their civil/constitutional rights: http://manhood101.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2173

and what you can do about it:

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