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Sweden to invest in new submarines

TT/Paul O'Mahony · 11 Apr 2010, 09:25

Published: 11 Apr 2010 09:25 GMT+02:00

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Writing in the Sunday edition of Stockholm daily Svenska Dagbladet, the minister conceded that the Baltic Sea area remained stable, with only Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg breaking the circle of EU and NATO-affiliated countries.

"However, one can never rule out long-term risks and incidents, which could also be of a military nature," Tolgfors wrote.

The multi-billion kronor investment is to be included in next week's spring budget proposal, he added.

Ship builder Kockums said in February that it had signed a contract with FMV (the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration) regarding the construction of next-generation submarines.

“This is an important first step, not only for Kockums, but for the Swedish Armed Forces as a whole," said Kockums CEO Alfredsson in a statement released at the time.

"We shall now be able to maintain our position at the cutting edge of submarine technology, which is vital in the light of current threat scenarios. HMS Gotland demonstrated what she is capable of during two years of joint exercises in the water off the USA. This next-generation submarine marks a further refinement of technology”, he said.

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Until now however the Swedish government had not given any indication of the scope of its plans. Along with the two new vessels, two Gotland class attack submarines will also receive major upgrades as part of the investment.

Tolgfors said the move would ensure that Sweden's submarine fleet maintained its "top international calibre". The minster also shared Kockums' view that the next-generation Swedish submarine would attract a great deal of interest abroad and would likely lead to export deals in the future.

TT/Paul O'Mahony (news@thelocal.se)

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09:55 April 11, 2010 by Nemesis
If these are built in Kockums in Malmö that will be good for the local economy.
12:48 April 11, 2010 by JDV
Is this a joke?

During these economic hard times with government bending over backwards in a effort of cutting back on services to the people this is the ultimate insult to the taxpayers... building weapons for non existent threats and the oversized egos of then military who want to play games with the big boys and warmongers of the world.

How about investing in education civilizing of our young people by lowering class sizes to ten or less, hiring more teachers and providing more activities. That effort toward building a civil society would be a far better economic and security return on investment for our future and our childrens future.
18:46 April 11, 2010 by americanska
what company in sweden produces submarines? please don't tell me this is a government venture. that would be a joke.

@JDV - people are already being educated. like the system or not - but what is the point if there are no jobs. this is an effort to create some jobs for a few years.
20:33 April 11, 2010 by "green Swede"
@jdv, very well said,words of wisdom indeed.This type of spending MIGHT be justified at the height of the cold war, even then I think your suggestions should take priority.This type of defense expenditure is totaly misplaced in todays world,attack submarines, the cost of which would be much better placed reopening an air base or reactivating an armoured brigade.MUCH more realistic, if the powers that be must spend it on defense,much more jobs as well.
20:56 April 11, 2010 by swedekk
@americanska, if you would have bothered to read the article, you would have known that Kockums will build the submarines.

I'm sure that you want Sweden to buy American submarines that not can hide in the Swedish archipelago?

@JDV, this is an investment and will lead to more jobs in Sweden. The current submarines will need to be replaced at the time for the new ones to be in service. Sweden do have money to spend it's 1.5% GNP on the Armed Forces.
06:24 April 12, 2010 by JDV

Since when is teaching not a job...

Our young people are not being properly educated or more importantly civilized properly which create far more cost for society both finanicially and in terms of quality of life for all. Mandated class sizes of less than ten preferably eight would go a long way in reducing social problems amongst our young people and adults and provide jobs and the work force needed to maintain our technologal edge.

If they were really serious about creating jobs and not just feeding our Americanwannabe military industrial complex, they would just lower the work day to 6 hours. This whole job creating Nato gambit is just a election year bribe for votes by the Moderatus Americanus Wanabeus government in power.

Who are our two sumbmarines supposed to protect us against... the Americans?
07:17 April 12, 2010 by Nemesis
The submarines will be like every other piece of military technology built in Sweden.

The Swedish navy will have a couple of them. They will show them of and use that as advertising to sell significantly more than they have built for there own navy.

In the process that guarentees jobs, creates innovation and keeps engineering expertise in Sweden. That also helps the balance of payments for the country.

The tax revenue generated from profits will end up paying for more than the cost of building two submarines.

In Sweden that extra revenue will go to more schools, more infrastrure, more social projects, healthcare etc. If they were built in the USA some of the profit would go on bonus's and the rest to share holders with society not benefiing.

Starting constructino in the middle of a recession makes sense. Costs are lower and by the time submarines are ready to showcase for sale the economies will be in full growth, so will have money to purchase them.

I fully support Sweden building these submarines. On the forums people in Skåne who work in engineering firms are happy, as it will help keep them in jobs.
09:06 April 12, 2010 by bocale1
Invest my tax money in weapons... BAD

Create more jobs in the military industry... GOOD

Some few Skåne people will be happy for a new job... GOOD

Sell those weapons all round the world, more money to Sweden... GOOD again

Those weapons will be used to start some new war... BAD

Those new wars will create thousands of new refugees... BAD

Most of them will come to Sweden... GOOD or BAD? not sure

My tax money will be spent for feeding those desperate people... GOOD (maybe)

A lot of Skåne people will complain about new immigrants, including the ones working in the military factories... VERY BAD!
10:01 April 12, 2010 by Swedeman
Those new subs are based on the sterling-engine, an extremely quiet engine. That's why the americans couldn't find the Gotland submarine during exercises.

It takes two years to train a crew for a sub, so you need to maintain competence even during more peaceful times.
11:50 April 12, 2010 by dobermann
@JDV, this is an investment and will lead to more jobs in Sweden. The current submarines will need to be replaced at the time for the new ones to be in service. Sweden do have money to spend it's 1.5% GNP on the Armed Forces.

How can anyone call it investment? It's almost the same like the proposal of one american senator, who told, that US goverment should invest billions of dollars to build more jet fighters, so there would be more work places..

From my point of view it would be far more better to give some financial support for startup companies in Sweden or something like that instead of paying billions for almost useless subs.
13:08 April 12, 2010 by Nemesis
@ dobermann

In Sweden these projects always create small specialist start ups.
14:15 April 12, 2010 by americanska
@nemesis - you are showing how little you know about the industry. I know you are very anti american pro european and narrow minded. But the reality is - Saab makes the shell of the Gripen while most of the next generation avionics and weapon systems are subcontracted out to American firms.

I'm sure all the advanced technology for these will be American as well. And don't give me that - "american subs" can't hid in the swedish waters. They will build what people what customers want.
18:31 April 12, 2010 by GefleFrequentFlyer

The logic you employ with your decision making process is amusing, and omits glaring underlying issues which you choose not to address.

Sadly, it's safe to assume that a typical swede would deduce such logic after consuming article of information from the national tabloids.
20:22 April 12, 2010 by babychuma
Sic vis pacem, para bellum
12:28 April 14, 2010 by Marc the Texan
Yes, this is very good news for Sweden. This is a technology showpiece for Sweden. I watched them take down the big Kockums crane in Malmo and send it to Korea. I'm glad Sweden is retaining its technological capabilities. Arms exports help fund Swedish education and are more of a military deterrent more than anything else. Good news for Swedish shipbuilding industry. Sweden also needs to maintain some sort of credible defense, even if it is barely credible.
12:16 May 23, 2010 by Earandur Lissesul
I think I read somewhere that this is the same type of submarine the US navy hired from the Swedish Navy to participate in war games. The initial contract was for a year but I believe was extended to two because the US Navy couldn't track them underwater. During the exercise the submarine is believed to have sunk the USS Ronald Regan one of the largest aircraft carriers in the world. Looks like Swedish technology at it's best, in my book development money well spent.
00:16 July 21, 2010 by waffen
Whatever seagoing vessels that Sweden does make, you can be sure that the ship or submarine will sail and perform as expected.

The United States Coast Guard recently had ships that listed, just as soon as the newly built ships entered the water.

Totally useless.

An American Aircraft Company with connections in the American Congress built those so-called ships.

What a joke.

The real ship-building days of the United States are history, because there are no shipbuilding craftsmen in existence in the United States as there were in WWII.

You do have Wall Street, though.
06:51 August 12, 2011 by CITGAB
Historically how many ships have actually been sunk by Swedish submarines?

Have they really proven useful or are the just a status symbol?
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