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Youth gang forces Malmö pre-school closure

TT/The Local · 26 Apr 2010, 13:22

Published: 26 Apr 2010 13:22 GMT+02:00

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Henrik Wolter, a health and safety representative for the Swedish Teachers' Union, took the decision to close the pre-school with immediate effect following consultation with district leaders.

The 34 children who attend the Herrgården pre-school have been moved temporarily to a school in Käglinge in south-east Malmö, but district chief Eva Ahlgren expects the children to move to a new location in Rosengård on Wednesday. In the longer term, places have been set aside for the children at a pre-school affiliated with Rosengård School, which is currently being extended.

"The closure of Herrgården's pre-school was necessary. Staff have been repeatedly exposed to fighting and harassment. On one occasion a glass bottle was thrown from a window at one of the employees," said Ahlgren.

She added that she had not previously been aware of the problem.

The pre-school is located in an area at the centre of a housing standards scandal last year when its run-down apartment complexes were found to be riddled with mould and cockroaches.

Herrgården has also served as a flashpoint for many of the disturbances that have plagued the predominantly immigrant suburb of Rosengård in recent years.

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Around the pre-school lie shards of glass while the front of the building is marked by a bullet hole, the source of which is unknown.

"This is caused by gangs of criminal youths, or idiots as I usually call them," Andreas Konstantinides, chairman of the Rosengård district council, told the online edition of the Svenska Dagbladet daily.

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13:56 April 26, 2010 by peropaco
Swedish authority has lost control. This unending anarchy is bordering the danger zone and no one in the government has the balls to put a stop to it. First the chase out the Jews and now this. What's next? take over the police station?
14:53 April 26, 2010 by hpunlimited
Just pull out all police, emergency, stop paying welfare and let them rape and murder each other all day. If that is what they like, then let them do it to each other :-)

When they are fed up and tired of it, then let them come and beg to be part of Swedish society again. If they do not respect the country they are in, then they should not be a part of it either!

- When in Rome, you do as the Romans do - always!
15:19 April 26, 2010 by cbeynch
What do the social democrats of Malmö plan to do about this? After all, they were the ones who created this cauldron of misogyny. Wait! I know. Raise taxes and introduce yet more social programs. That's normally their instinctive reaction to all societal ills. Let's unload the social democrat poison at the ballot box in september!
16:09 April 26, 2010 by DAVID T
If they act like animals - treat them like animals
16:36 April 26, 2010 by Dazzler
Perhaps a speech by Obama would cull the violence!
17:53 April 26, 2010 by mjennin2
Wait. I don't understand this. Why are the youths attacking and threatening teachers at a pre-school? If this is a housing crisis due to cockroaches and mold, what do teachers and babies have to do with this? The immigrant kids are angry so they attempt to attack the only symbol of innocence left in the community?

Can someone please explain this to me, because I feel like I'm missing something here..
18:29 April 26, 2010 by Nemesis
@ mjennin2

You are not missing anything.

I have been in that area and watched what is going on.

It is purely about who controls the area. Nothing else.

The gangs in effect have almost taken over that entire area and the police and politicians make excuses not to do anything about and refuse to accept it is happening.
18:44 April 26, 2010 by here for the summer
remember it is racist to say that all societies, values, morality, and population groups are not equal . Perhaps this gang run society is just another equal value system and culture that you cannot say is less advanced than European values of education and order . After all this is normal in many of the parts of the world so the fact that it redevelops is areas were large groups settle is not unexpected .
19:11 April 26, 2010 by Greg in Canada
Rosengard is an embarrassment to the rest of Swedish society, but then it is a created in Sweden problem.
19:12 April 26, 2010 by CanadianEh
The problem here in Sweden is anyone under the age of 18 can get away with anything even murder. If I was a mafia boss I would hire kids 15 and younger and get them to do my bidding. What kind of society is this, give parental authority back to the parents and out of the politicians hands.

Another reason for increased youth violence is the reality that many community centers and youth development centers have been closed due to lack of funds. These centers were closed by the government to ''save some money''. Get these youth doing something productive for society instead of imitating American Gangsters. Monkey see monkey do. For those blaming people from different ethnic groups are just as blind and retarded as the politicians who are trying to hide the truth behind a veil of lies. Get the facts straight trolls.
21:49 April 26, 2010 by just a question
I'm so happy of not living in Sweden anymore
23:03 April 26, 2010 by Karinb
...I studied "social intergration processes" in uni in Sweden for 3 years...only to go to London to learn that "intergration" is a historical phenomenon Assimilation is what ought to start to happen in Sweden...The Local authoirties here are bragging!! about the cultural diversity and its demographics. You are expected to look, speak and act different in relation to your neighbours! These gangs will not become less teritorial unless they are given an oportunity to become part of something greater than the ownership of a few blocks of Rosengård. Give them respect and dignity...calling them idiots is not the way forward...can you imagin any great politician and world leader calling the most vulnerable and excluded people in their sociatey idiots???- no, onöly Swedish politicians could afford to do such thing. Swedish politicians should start to look outside the yellow and blue borders for solutions that they cannot find in Sweden.
23:51 April 26, 2010 by Lautreamont
Danish psychologist: "Integration of Muslims in Western Societies is not possible". Rosengard is a good example. Read the full interview here: http://europenews.dk/en/node/21789
00:53 April 27, 2010 by homestead
@Karinb, "Give them respect and dignity...calling them idiots is not the way forward."

Do you really think this kind of unearned respect and dignity has any value? These gangs are harassing a facility with innocent children. Of their own free will, they are making themselves the enemy. While you were in London, it probably would have been a good idea to also spend some time studying Neville Chamberlain because it sounds like you're just advocating another form of appeasement.
01:08 April 27, 2010 by Davyboy
Many years ago while on holiday in Majorca I met some Swedish people and was struck by how polite and courteous they were. I've remained friends with them ever since.

This story however, shows that politeness and courteousness could prove to be the reason for the complete dismantling of the Swedish way of life. Unless the Swedish people start to harden up demand that immigrants adopt the Swedish way of life and not the other way around, things are going to go from bad to worse, as is happening in the UK. The one small advantage here is that our population is about 60M, whereas in Sweden it's about 9.2M.

The left-wing political elite in Sweden could well be the ones responsible for the downfall of the indigenous Swedes by their continuous acceptance of disgusting behaviour by non-Swedes.

At a junior school here recently, a 'minority' school kid about 5 years old said 'death to Christians and Jews' to the Teacher. Because of the insane marxist rules of political correctness, the Teacher was only allowed to report it, and was told not to be rascist!

If you want to see what may happen in Sweden in the near future, go onto 'Youtube' and type in 'Rioters chase cops in London...police run for cover' - coming to a city in Sweden soon, UNLESS you start doing something about it, by demanding that your politicians wake up to whats happening. Be careful though - as soon as you complain, you'll be accused of being rascist or a member of some Far Right party.
03:18 April 27, 2010 by Swedesmith
Hey, here's an idea: why don't we keep the school open and close down the gangs?
06:58 April 27, 2010 by Rick Methven
It is not a matter of race or religion. It is a matter of the living environment.

The moment you segregate a group of people and put them into a ghetto/slum resentment and trouble will start. The people living there especially the young are on the outside of the wider society looking in. They see in the media, the life that others live and know that what they have is nothing. same in the Gorbals in Glasgow and countless other cities around the UK.

What is the solution?

Assimulation of these dissafected groups into the wider society.

Will it happen?

No because we the Have's that the have nots want to be, say NIMBY
10:02 April 27, 2010 by calebian22
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." --John F. Kennedy

Sweden has done enough for it's immigrant and refugee population. It is time for the new Swedes to put forth an effort and become good citizens. Sweden's strides to assimilate people with no interest in assimilation is an exercise in futility.
12:01 April 27, 2010 by DavidtheNorseman
No Rick M, you're wrong there. Peoples' values do matter. I've seen areas where the poor are peaceful and hard working - because they have values that speak to that. Go anywhere in the World and you'll see that the local values determine the local living conditions with regard to safety and security of person.

When you invite in groups who totally disrespect and despise your way of life (eg some groups believe charity is a sign of weakness and indicates the group giving it should be robbed and destroyed) and then tell them to go at it, what do you expect?
12:01 April 27, 2010 by Marc the Texan
I can't understand why Malmo has let this problem fester for so many years. When I first moved to Malmo in 2000, it was a problem. Ten years later and local leaders haven't done a dang thing. How about firing that mayor who refused to defend the civil rights of Jews in Malmo. Vote someone in who will get something done.

The way New York solved its crime problem was by tackling low level crime like this with zero tolerance. Lots of other big US cities did the same. Its a proven method and has worked everywhere its implemented properly. Zero tolerance on low level crime dissolves gang culture. Pretty well documented in the USA.
14:28 April 27, 2010 by cbeynch
Methven, and his ulterior agenda, is wrong as usual! I've basically stopped reading his oafish commentary. He is too indoctrinated by whatever to realize that it is very much a matter of religion, although not so much by race, but definitely by culture. And his feeble reference to `living environment`, isn't the `living environment` a consequence of these people's own doing? Bite not the hand that that feeds you Methven, because you clearly do not work for a living. Oh, and by the way, don't bother to respond Methven, before you google `Sweden` and learn some of her history and culture.
18:40 April 27, 2010 by mjennin2
Cbeynch, did you even listen to yourself?

Rick's words: "It is not a matter of race or religion. It is a matter of the living environment."

Your words: "it is very much a matter of religion, although not so much by race, but definitely by culture."

You are both supporting the same side of the nature v. nurture argument.

Quite trying to provoke arguments with Rick. You're sounding like a punk kid from Rosengård.
01:14 April 28, 2010 by Badger1911
It's a matter of religion. Living environment? How did it go down the sewer? Because the Swedish "slaves" didn't clean up everything the wannabe "master race" left behind. That's it.

Rick, you're wrong.

These "Asians", as the official British term is ("Southerners" in Germany), aren't segregated by anyone. They segregate themselves. They don't like us. They hate us. We're infidel pigs only good enough to pay for them with our taxes.

Tell me, why aren't Chinese or Vietnamese ever ending up in such situations? or Indians? Why do they have success?

Because people's values and religion matter. Because the Chinese, Vietnamese and Indians usually integrate themselves into the given societies.

But the "good mohammedans", who follow the mass murdering, pedophile "prophet", are too good for that.

it's dirty? Get a broom! Clean it up yourself. What did my grandparents do after the war? Everything was destroyed thanks to the Nazis, but the generation of my grandparents rebuilt my country.

There is one solution for this: round them up, throw them out.

They attack children? Lock and load. Shoot to kill.
01:30 April 28, 2010 by soultraveler3
David in comment #19 is right.

There are plenty of places in the world where extremely poor people are kind and peaceful and don't destroy everything.

"When you invite in groups who totally disrespect and despise your way of life"

That pretty much sums it up.

Most of the refugees come to Sweden because it's easy to get in and stay here, think about how many EU countries are between there and here, and it gets them away from troubles at home. They know they'll get free housing, health care, education and an allowance and never be expected to contribute or integrate into the society because all the politicians are afraid of not being PC.

They don't come here because they want to be Swedish or because they want to integrate into western society. They don't respect or agree with european or american culture, some hate it and the people in it.

They want to keep the same culture they had back home, that's human nature to a certain extent and not always a bad thing. The problem is that their culture is so different and has such different views on what's good and bad that it's bound to cause some friction.

At some point though people and communities have to take responsibily for themselves and make positive change happen. If people would do that more often we wouldn't have the need for asylum so often or as many refugees.
03:49 April 28, 2010 by JoeSwede
Perhaps a speech by Obama would cull the violence!
15:51 April 28, 2010 by GefleFrequentFlyer
I agree, only the cadence of Obama would stop such madness. Summon the god!

All good points made. The canaries (the Jews) are fleeing Malmo (the coalmine). Rosengard is the epitome of how the combination of old school Swedish social progressivness, open immigration policy, and islam turn into a toxic stew.

Hopefully the rest of the country can learn from this cyst.
02:13 April 29, 2010 by DAVID T
send in the troops
07:30 April 29, 2010 by CanYouDigIt
How about this thread returns to what is important.


What the HELL are you doing to fix this?? Why don;t you get a group of people together and go down and meet some of the residents. Bring some push brooms and shovels and clean the common areas. Bring some positive literature with you. Respect them because most of the immigrants come from a much, much tougher place than you do. Like tough with guns and billy-clubs. With thought police and ethnic hate. Show them that Sweden is about community and inclusion.

That the modern image of alcoholism and drug abuse isn't what your real values are... Show them and teach them by your actions that most Swedes aren't CHAOTIC. And that the government actually works for YOU, not the other way around. Swedes are educated, tolerant and accepting is what they need to find out. But instead I am only seeing, as they do I'm sure, a pompous bunch of asses, drunk and shiftless youth, scurrying around at night in clubs, accomplishing nothing of value and demoralising society through their never ending protest of the welfare state, all the while ensuring their bank accounts are in proper order to receive the monthly dole. And the image they get is that given the chance, Malmo would draw the gates of Rosengard closed.

Without education - safe, stable, exciting education, these immigrant communities will fester and destroy that which makes the Swedish identity valuable. And that is your educated tolerance. The understaning that everyone can live as they like, so long as it does not hurt your neighbour.. But I think you may have forgot that bit about your neighbours..
12:03 April 29, 2010 by Rick Methven
The Fact is that the Kommun that have taken in large numbers of asylum seeking immigrants from war torn countries have housed them in older more run down areas that Swedes have moved out of, as they become more upwardly mobile. Here in Linköping we have the same phenomenon with some older areas becoming 80% immigrant in practise. When those initial immigrants bring over family they swell the population in that area. When Economic migrants come from the same counties, they want to live in the same area as there is more chance of earning a living in those areas. and so the number of immigrants in those areas increases and the native population moves out making way for more immigrants.

The Kommun spends as little as they can get away with in maintaining the housing stock which is anyway due for re-development.

There is a fallacy fermented by the far right that ALL the immigrants are Muslim. Not true, there are Muslims who are practising Muslims, there are a few radical nutters, there are also Christians, Lapsed Muslims who came here to get away from the dogma,and followers of no faith. What you do have crammed into the same small area is groups of people of different countries and cultures that are traditionally opposed to one another.

Bosnian orthodox Serbs v Bosnian 'Muslims'

Iraqi vs Iran

Iraqi/Iranians/Turks all vs the Kurds.

The violent youths run in cultural packs that has nothing to do with religion but everything to do with cultural background.

European countries that gave Independence to former colonies in Africa are often cruised for creating countries by drawing lines on a map that took no account of the ethnic diversity and traditional fighting between the people who lived within the borders that the Europeans arbitrarily drew.

The same thing is being done here by the Kommun placing a potentially diverse group of people in one area. In partial defence of the action of the Kommun, they have to contend with the xenophobia of locals who do not want to mix or have immigrants in their neighbourhoods again it is back to NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard. This is also not helped by other Kommun who refuse to accept any immigrants
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