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Jehovah's Witness claims she was fired for beliefs

TT/The Local · 12 May 2010, 17:10

Published: 12 May 2010 17:10 GMT+02:00

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The woman, a Jehovah’s Witness from Umeå, allegedly told a colleague that the Bible said that people were not meant to be born ill.

Her comments came after her colleague said she could see a purpose in the fact that their patient, a disabled girl, had been born with disabilities, as she had brought happiness to so many people.

The woman also gave her view on homosexuality, when asked by the colleague, according to the Västerbottens-Kuriren newspaper.

Following the conversation, the woman was called by her boss at a private care company who criticized the woman’s views on homosexuality. The boss also said that she had heard that the woman thought disabled children were a punishment from God.

“But that was the exact opposite of what I said,” the woman wrote in her complaint to the Discrimination Ombudsman.

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The woman was told that the family of the girl had lost faith in her, although she writes in her complaint that she had never spoken with any members of the family about her beliefs.

TT/The Local (news@thelocal.se)

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17:35 May 12, 2010 by GusBricker3
Jehovah's Witnesses have doctrines that are constantly changing and being revised updated by the leaders in New York USA.They call this *new light* from God.This is an esoteric new religion and the poor girl may not be at fault as she has not been updated on the constant shifting beliefs.

The *new light* on Jesus year 1914 second coming overlapping*generations* change is in this month of May.

Google: Jehovah Witness Watchtower
20:01 May 12, 2010 by BeckyJane
Jehovah's Witnesses are true Christians.




20:45 May 12, 2010 by calebian22

They believe in Christ yes, but the belief that he was orginally the archangel Michael is distinctly JW doctrine. The non-belief in the Trinity (God the father, God the son, God the holy spirit as three separate but equal entities in one) is a huge sticking point that separates the Jehovah Witnesses from most other Christian denominations.
20:50 May 12, 2010 by Rick Methven
Jehovah's witnesses are family destroying bigots that would rather see their OWN children die than allow them a blood transfusion. There is no place for any of them making decisions regarding anybody else.
20:52 May 12, 2010 by GusBricker3
The Jehovah's Witnesses are litigious and will sue at the drop of a hat,much like Scientology.

But,if the Watchtower society is held accountable they have teams of lawyers who will pull every trick in the book to squirm out of liability.

21:20 May 12, 2010 by seagull
Rightly so. Religion is an opinion. If that opinion is at odds with a carinng equality minded employer then he or she or they should have every right to get rid.
21:37 May 12, 2010 by Rick Methven
I had a friend who's wife was preyed on by these leaches when she was home alone. She was brain washed into joining them and was given an ultimatum by them to either convert her husband or leave him.

Best way to get rid of them when they come calling, tell them you are a communist never fails!!!!
22:53 May 12, 2010 by DAVID T
I wonder if they would have fired her if she was muslim
00:14 May 13, 2010 by Puffin
I must say that if I were the family concerned I would not be allowing a person who felt that disability was the punishment of God into my house to care for my disabled child
00:23 May 13, 2010 by Lunalover
There are a controversially cult. Read about their controversial beliefs here. I am a christian but Jehova's witness have taken out more than 40 verses from the Bible. They have re-written the bible. Their bible was published in 1981 i think and a lot of wording has been changed to suit what they think is best for them. I dont blame this girl, probbaly she read it from their New International Version that disability is sin. Shame on them, God shall jugde them. Read about all the r controversy here:

01:23 May 13, 2010 by nowivehearditall
Please People. JW's are very good people. They are not out to hurt anyone. just as you stand behind your beliefs, so do they. Don't bash something that you don't know. youv'e never been to their gatherings, you've never even associated with anyone of them. All you know is what you think you see and what people tell you. make a decision after you've gone to their kingdom hall. after you have listened. shame on you all.
05:35 May 13, 2010 by nakiboyinsweden
The lack of understanding and tolerence here is unbelievable!

A person is allowed to believe what they want. Why should a person be judged for his/her views? As long as it doesnt adversely affect her ability to perform her job satisfactorily, it should not be an issue.

It is ILLEGAL to fire someone based on ethnicity, gender, sexual preference or religeon. If there is evidence to support that this did in fact occur, she has every right to sue.

In response to puffin, it is an unfair and irrational conclusion you have drawn from this article.. she did not say it was a punishment from god... she simply said that "people were not meant to be born ill".... and i know a bit about their beliefs to say that they dont feel anything bad in the world is a punishment from god.. They believe that god intended for this to be a perfect world and it will be oncemore.

And in response to Lunalover... nearly every form of christianity has its own translation of the bible such as the king james etc. Scholars are continually studying the varying ways in which words could be translated from its original texts. So to accuse them of "their own version" based on their understanding is a hypocrisy as every version of the bible is based on certain translations, views and assumptions.

Im a non-religeous person but to label any form of belief that you dont agree with as a cult is a little nuts. There is not a single thing stopping a jehovah's witness from leaving. And unlike scientology, no money is needed as the entire organization is funded purely on voluntary donations.

People are getting a little "PC" crazy now. People are so scared to express how they feel about anything at the risk of being victimized. Its like this layer of information we all know about but are scared to admit.....

05:55 May 13, 2010 by Rick Methven
The problem with JV is that it is not just a faith but a way of life and its members are bound to go about converting people to their belief.

It is one thing to privately hold a particular religious belief, it is another to badger people into joining their cult. In the case of child care, it is entirely inappropriate to have a person who puts the medical well being of a child 'in the hands of God' rather than in the hands of medical professionals. Their refusal to allow a child to have a life saving blood transfusion is criminal
08:48 May 13, 2010 by Shanie
I don't know too much about JW other than what I picked up from a lad I went to school with, he never bothered us with any religious stuff, just a normal kid. He's family were nice too, seemed happy at least.

The people in the article will sort this out amongst, it goes on all the time, not just with religious people but anybody fired for a reason they don't think is fair.

The real problem here is the comments from people that seems like they didn't even read the article, people who saw a story about some religion and needed to regurgitate the shite that someone else told them or they picked up on the internet. Probably don't even believe or understand or have given much taught to the WHOLE matter in any real way.

If we can all take what we want from a story and chose to make up our own twist on it then I would like to say that the JW lady's colleague is a bigot who was waiting to trap her with some innocent questions about a handicapped child (after all you could't help but get fired for saying something about handicapped kid) and then running to her boss and feeding her lies and twisting stories.

Thats more assumed bullshit, made up, like most of what was written above. Any excuse to dump on people, whether its JW's, muslims, immigrants, whatever the hell is popular to hate at the moment. Stupid! No wonder the world is trying to tear itself apart.

Have some since people.

Good on you nakiboy .... logic and understanding will prevail. (It wont, but what can you do except talk about it on chat treads with other idiots like me)
09:15 May 13, 2010 by Nemesis
The extremely dnagerous mental disorder knwon as religeon should be left at the gates of any workplace.

If a person brings there disturbed and bigoted view of the world into the workplace, they should be fired.

There is no place for the judeo-christian-islamic-satanist psychotic ideas in a care home.

A person works in a care home to help all people regardless of who or what they are, with no favour or ill content to any patient.

if any of you had actually read the article you would see that she has an issue with disabled and homosexual people.

She is working in a care home. That means she will encounter disabled people regularly.

If she thinks that they deserve to be disabled, then she is not fit to work there at all.

If she works with the elderly at any point, then she will encounter old age homosexual people and the same issues will arise.

She is not fit to be a carer due to her deranged beliefs.

Firing her was a good choice. People like her should be banned from being anywhere near the disabled, weak or infirm.
09:30 May 13, 2010 by voiceofreason
While I do not subscribe to most JW doctrines I think this woman is at liberty to discuss her views with any interested colleague.

A lot of my colleagues at work talk about alcohol, parties etc, things I have little interest in and I don't complain. They also listen when I share my views on many issues. This is all done outside of work.

As is the case with this woman, she didn't discuss with her clients but a colleague, this implies she is a professional who knows her bounds. It will be wrong to punish her at all.
09:49 May 13, 2010 by nakiboyinsweden
This is the problem with a forum. Too many idiots get to weigh in on a situation with very little information to go on.

The article provided is very brief yet people are so quick to jump in on the anti-religeon bandwagon. She wasnt on a street corner screaming out her beliefs. She expressed her beliefs while in conversation with a colleague about the topic. Regardless, we dont know the full details of the complaint so to put so much anger into a response as Nemesis has done is what makes these a discussions impossible.

What is bigotry Nemesis? let me help you, it is a intolerence of any opinions differing from your own... so tell me, when you say there is no place for anyone of religeous faith in the workplace, who is the bigot?

Its popular these days to jump on the "hate religeon" bandwagon and although im a non-religeous person myself, the right of every individual to find their own salvation and express their beliefs should never be jeopardised.

We spend more time at work than we do with our own families so its natural to form friendships with colleauges and talk about topics outside of the workplace. If I talk about global warming and evolution and a colleague disagrees and says that he/she believes in creation or fairies, do they deserve to be fired for it? NO

And thats the question here. None of her statements in this article indicate a hatred of anyone elses opinion. She is just expressing her religeous beliefs in conversation with a colleague. These are not grounds for being fired.
11:21 May 13, 2010 by Twiceshy



If you would like more REAL and accurate info about Jehovah's Witnesses on the web be sure to check out the official web site at www.Watchtower.org




12:11 May 13, 2010 by Puffin
@ nakiboyinsweden

I am not going by The Local's article but by what is published in the Swedish press - the think about disability being a punishment from God is what the work colleague reported to the boss that the JW had said - along with some distateful comments about homosexuality - however the JW woman has denied this and given an alternative explanation.

I wonder also - even if we believe the JW woman's version of events - why she thought it appropriate to discuss her religious beliefs on her first days of a new job (she only worked there for 2 days) where she was learning the ropes in a job that involved the 1:1 care looking after a disabled child. It seems very unprofessional to bring up your own opinions in this situation

nakiboyinsweden write:

"It is ILLEGAL to fire someone based on ethnicity, gender, sexual preference or religeon. If there is evidence to support that this did in fact occur, she has every right to sue"

It is also illegal to discriminate against the disabled and homeosexuals

I note that the woman does not seem to deny her opinions of homosexuality

As the parent of a disabled child - your child is vulnerable and needs professional and supportive staff working with them. Someone who holds negative or discriminatory opinions can do untold damage - the disabled have rights as well.
12:31 May 13, 2010 by jonathanjames61
Saking this lady was an act of prejudice,honestly,Who are Jehovah Wittness,This are people over 7million people from a diffrent religion and back ground,that form a faith of love and unity which I have never seen no where with any other religion,the problem with people is that they are wrongly informed,in this world were evil and been portrayed as been good and acceptable and the media plays a very powerfull role,You could imagine sharing your veiw now leads to termination of appointment without asking the third party,this has been problem in Sweden,some body say this about you can be accepted as evidence,what if the person say this out of being jealous and prejudice.So please Dont take this issue too far,but examine facts and see reality as being the way you take deccission.God is not evil,all human are equal before the sight of God,if you are homosexual its you pot of soup,may be very soon animal will be allowed to marry humans all in the name of liberty,at least Gorrilas look like us hahahahaha.so please leave the JW alone,and think of our generation leading ourself to self distruction.God bless you all.This is my personal opinion.
13:14 May 13, 2010 by Kevin Harris
The facts are these. A woman, in a private conversation, quoted from the Bible to contradict the statement that a person's disability has "purpose". Rather than argue the point, (a point well worth arguing) the colleague reported the women to her boss for ... er quoting from the Bible and having an opinion on homosexuality, We are not told if this opinion was positive or negative, but that is not important. What is important is that nearly every poster here, perhaps all, have at some time quoted from the Bible, and have an opinion about homosexuality. We are all perfectly entitled to our opinions, Sweden would be a very sad place if we were not. It is how we act that is important, not what we think. This sad episode seems to be getting very close to Orwell's "thought crimes" of 1984.

If I worked with the colleague, I would be very cautious when she was in earshot of me. Is she really fit to work in a service where trust and openness between colleagues is a necessity?

As for the boss. She seems to have assumed, concluded and acted with the minimum of investigation, wisdom or justification and the maximum of prejudice. Is she really fit to be in charge of people?
13:19 May 13, 2010 by Steggles
Hehe.....I remember as a child the tricks my younger brother and myself would play on the Jehovas when we saw them coming before Mum could answer the door!

We would say that Mum is not home and they would leave the Watchtower paper and we would say that it will be handy as we are right out of toilet paper!

Then there were the times we would set our pet magpie onto them and they would be running out the gate faster than they could preach.

If Mum ever got stuck at the door with a Jehova ....we would make the phone ring and call out to Mum.

13:31 May 13, 2010 by Puffin
@ Kevin Harris

We know few facts at the current time as all of the newpaper articles are based on the JW woman's own complaint to the Discrimination Ombudsman - all we know for a fact is that the two personal assistants involved who have conflicting versions. There has not been a formal statement from the other assistant or manger yet.

I would agree that she is entitled to a religious opinions - as I do. But I can honestly say that I have never discussed them during working hours - even less on my first day in a new job.

The role of personal assistant working in the child's own home is one that is extremely sensitive and the disabled child vulnerable. I therefore believe that it is the disabled child's needs that should be the focus - if someone is working in my home I have a right to know whether they respect my child's disability

... let as not get into the situation that arose at Knutby school a few years ago where a boy was physically assaulted by 2 special needs assistants from a controversial Christian group who argued that their religion advocated physical punishment as a way of dealing with his disability.
13:56 May 13, 2010 by believe
I work in health care. I only want to point out one thing. If someone started working at my hospital, and on the very first day or two of their employment began telling me disturbing things about their religion, personal life, or whatever....believe me it would send up a huge red flag! I don't know all the circumstances, but to tell a co-worker (and someone she just met) that she has such strong views about disabled children and homosexuals sounds a bit crazy to me. Forget about her religious beliefs...I am more concerned about her moral beliefs. She shouldn't be taking care of anybody.
14:13 May 13, 2010 by Kevin Harris
And where, from the facts as we know them, is the evidence that the women is insensitive to, or unable to respect the child's disability, is unable to meet her needs. or intends to assult her?

It seems prejudice is not exclusive to the boss in this case.
14:27 May 13, 2010 by cogito
Anyone but me troubled by the colleague running to squeal to the boss?
15:03 May 13, 2010 by JJones2014
The following website summarizes over 500 Jehovah's Witnesses Employment related lawsuits, etc, including DOZENS of court cases in which JW Employees refused blood transfusions, and/or other cases involving Worker's Comp, medical, health, and disability issues:

15:45 May 13, 2010 by asian123
pyramid scheme.

getting new member s is very important in JW
16:35 May 13, 2010 by JJones2014
The following website summarizes 900 court cases and lawsuits affecting children of Jehovah's Witness Parents, including 400 cases where the JW Parents refused to consent to life-saving blood transfusions for their dying children, as well as nearly 400 CRIMINAL cases -- most involving MURDERS:


22:38 May 13, 2010 by mjennin2
I must say..we are now 30 comments into this thread, and I want to commend you all for - more or less - keeping your dignity intact. It is always a good sign when I read *ANY* article thread from the local that has gone 30 comments in and hasn't turned into Fight Club. Kudos, kids!

I'll chime in: It is illegal for an employer to discrimminate and fire an employee based on race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation. It is NOT illegal for anyone - employer or employee - to hold opinions on race, gender, religion and sexual orientation. These opinions should be kept to oneself in tasteful manner out of simple common sense and respect, however if asked, and if these opinions are made privately in conversation and do not interfere with work duties and performance, I don't see the problem in them. Do I agree with them? No. But that's my opinion, and we are all entitled to them; they are not grounds to be fired on.

This is a legal issue that has really nothing to do with the opinions the JW woman holds. Now, if she was mistreating a disabled child she cared for because of her beliefs, or mistreating a patient for their sexual orientation, that's an entirely different story and those would be grounds for termination.

This is a legal issue, not an ethical one. Let's stick to the matter at hand.
23:25 May 13, 2010 by asian123
jw is a dangerous cult. please stay away from them.

check once all about in google.
00:11 May 14, 2010 by Swedesmith
One day I was splitting wood and two JWs came a calling. I got down on my knees and gave praise, saying, "Thank the Lord for sending me two strong men to help me split this wood!" They left in a hurry. Slackers.
01:23 May 14, 2010 by americanska
Come on now this is Sweden. We are only as tolerant and the government says we have to be. And the church of Sweden does not recognize the JW.
02:32 May 14, 2010 by CanadianInSweden
whats the problem?? her beliefs tell her employer about her intelligence and decision making skills,being a JW automatically makes you unqualified to do almost any job..
05:32 May 15, 2010 by Margarett
I blame the colleague. It's been done to me. Sis didn't say that. Appeal to Caesar Sis.

As for the rest of the misrepresentations on blogs ingeneral, a good way to "untwist the taffy" is to examine a trees 'own' leaves. www.watchtower.org
20:55 May 17, 2010 by Phillip Schipper
Religion is soon going to be outlawed. It is evident by the hate and twisting of the greater number against a Godly person and one who has not or does not have love of God and love of neighbor. I see few brave enough to publicly preach what is their faith. For the few that have faith in Christ, this was his assignment and he sent out 70 in pairs to go door to door with the loving message of salvation for those who would accept it. For the rest, it is a message of the coming wrath of God that does not accept Jesus rulership and obeidence. But rather fight against his kingdom by oppressing the ones letting their light shine. For those who want to forbid expressions of faith, why do you have a pagan cross hung around your neck? You should not wear it in public. With the same reasoning you use, you should be fired from your job.

These things must take place, it was foretold to happen, and false religion will be stripped naked, those who hang onto the religion filtered down into Christian? Church's. From Babylon, the cross, trinity, you don't really die, you float off somewhere. Jehovah's Witness's go out of their way to teach the truth from the scriptures. You have the choice to reject it. Do you need to twist the good they do because it does not fit your life style?
22:13 May 17, 2010 by penniesworth
Many people lose their jobs daily for unfair reasons, so personally I am not interested in that, but the comments about the Jehovah's Witnesses is of great interest.


For 40 years I was brainwashed by that organisation. The people on the whole are clean living good people, but they are totally brainwashed.

They can not question anything that seems strange or wrong, because that makes them an apostate, someone who should be avoided. They are not allowed friends outside the organisation, this ensures that if they try to leave, they have no one to turn to. Those who dare to leave and lead NORMAL lives are thrown out or disfellowshipped. Following that, people who were once your closest friends walk past you, ignor you. Family shun you.

I was thrown out because I left the religion and for the first time celebrated christmas. I am not a bad person, infact I'd never hurt anyone, but Jehovah's Witnesses are a sect that grabs hold of vunerable people, giving them hope at the lowest ebb and then through constant study of their literature and several meetings a week they brain wash those who get involved.

What is sad is that Jehovah's Witnesses truely believe that what they are doing and saying is 100% truth. The brain washing makes them not see the obvious truths that you can see once you leave.

Now 7 years on, I still hurt from how I have been treated, this is only a brief outline of what has scared my life and of what stole 40 years of life from me.

Those who have posted things on here about contacting the JW organisation, do so because they are programmed to do so. They preach from door to door because they are told if they don't, mans blood is on their hands and they'll die at armageddon.

Please never be tempted to see what JW's are about, they destroy families and will brain wash you.
19:07 May 22, 2010 by cattie
Watchtower Corporation is in the business of printing literature that JW are required to buy and distribute for salvation. As a marketing prefessional, I am staggered with admiration for such an effective way to increase sales.

Beauty Business says buy this cream and you will be loved and accpeted for your beauty.

Fashion Business says buy this article of clothing and be loved and accepted for your cool sense of style.

Car Buiness says buy this car and be loved and accpeted for what you drive.

Watchtower says buy these brochures and be loved and accepted by your Church Group.
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