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Sweden calls on Israel to clarify aid convoy attack

The Local · 31 May 2010, 10:36

Published: 31 May 2010 08:13 GMT+02:00
Updated: 31 May 2010 10:36 GMT+02:00

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"We want a clarification over what has happened," Carl Bildt said to Sveriges Radio P1 over the reports that the ships belonging to the "Ship to Gaza" convoy, carrying humanitarian aid to the Gaza strip, had been boarded by Israeli military forces.

"We know that there are Swedes on some of the ships and we want to know what has happened to them. There appears no reason to question media reports that a Turkish vessel has been boarded, that a fire fight occurred and that people have been killed," Bildt said.

The flotilla of ships, carrying a reported 600 people from around 50 different nations, left Cyprus on Sunday evening and was due to arrive close to Gaza on Monday morning. The convoy, loaded with 10,000 tonnes of humanitarian aid, was intercepted in international waters, 65 kilometres off the Gaza coast, by Israeli warships and helicopters.

A live feed broadcast from a Turkish registered ship in the convoy shows Israeli forces boarding the ship and opening fire at around 8pm. Israeli military sources have confirmed ten dead, but other reports indicate that the death toll could be as high as nineteen, with dozens more injured.

Eleven Swedes are participating in the aid convoy including the author Henning Mankell, theologian Ulf Carmesund, Jewish artist and musician Dror Feiler and Swedish Green Party MP Mehmet Kaplan.

Swedish Green Party leader Peter Eriksson said that they had lost contact with Kaplan at around 5pm expressed concern over his fate in what he described as a completely legitimate and reasonable non-violent protest.

"If Israel has used extensive violence and killed people then it has to be seen as very serious. And it is important that there are strong reactions from both Sweden and other countries," Eriksson told news agency TT

The convoy was organised by activists from a slew of countries to protest the continued isolation of Gaza and to help arrest a deteriorating humanitarian situation.

Mikael Löfgren at Ship to Gaza Sweden has confirmed that all the ships in the flotilla have been boarded, including the Swedish ship Sofia.

"We received a call from Dror Feiler, who was on board our boat Sofia, at 4.30am in the morning, and then he heard shots from the ships that were being boarded," he told the TT news agency on Monday adding that the Sofia was boarded 15 minutes later.

Löfgren told the Local on Thursday that the activists were aware of the Israeli government's warnings, and stressed that the project is a peaceful non-violent operation.

"We will not meet violence, with violence," Löfgren said on Thursday.

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Israeli military sources however claimed on Monday that their forces were fired upon and that four soldiers were wounded while boarding the Turkish vessel. The report contradicts several recent statements from flotilla organizers who have insisted that none of the six vessels were carrying any weapons.

Israel imposed an economic blockade after the Islamist movement Hamas took power in Gaza in June 2007.

Israel claims that despite the blockade 15,000 tones of humanitarian aid are allowed into Gaza every week, which according to the United Nations is less than a quarter of what is needed.

As the flotilla began its highly publicised voyage towards the Gaza, and before Monday's attacks, the Israeli government has said that it would forward the humanitarian aid supplies on the ships once they had cleared customs.

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09:42 May 31, 2010 by olive_tree
Yet another crime from criminals, Yet another spit on the face of the international law
09:44 May 31, 2010 by Marko2010S
"Sweden's foreign minister Carl Bildt has summoned the Israeli ambassador" ... This what is called "Hypocrisy of the West".

I wish the Israelis (War Criminals) kill everyone on that ship. So the whole world (Specifically the West) stop pretending and lying about the rights of Israel. Anyways, everyone knows the nature of those Freak-Animals.
09:46 May 31, 2010 by peropaco
This was a well orchestrated PR campaign funded by Hamas and its supporters from Sweden, EU to portray Israel as the 7 head beast. Upon boarding the boat, the soldiers were attached and they defended themselves. Now, of course Israel will once again be on the losing end of the media frenzy. It doesn't matter if one or 100 people dies; what's was important here was to show the world the evil of Israel. I say, torpedo the boats. After all, no matter what you do Israel, if a you kill a terrorist who was trying to blow up a kindergarten the world will still be ready to lash their condemnation at you. I am Yisrael chai
09:50 May 31, 2010 by goodbyeammar
'israel' is the most criminal and terrorist illegal state in the world.
10:00 May 31, 2010 by calebian22
What did Israel stutter? Did the flotilla organizers think that Israel was kidding when it said not to try and run the blockade? Long live Israel!
10:13 May 31, 2010 by Localer
you guys are idiot...a ship was going to destroy israel with knives?
10:16 May 31, 2010 by Luckystrike
This hopefully will be the beginning of the end of the criminal, sick in the head, state of israel.

Even if the israel soldiers were attacked with iron bars, there are 20 different means of defense. Rubber bullets, tear gas...the list goes on. There is NO excuse to kill.

Good luck israel, you're going to need it.
10:20 May 31, 2010 by c9dw2rm82
The swedes don't get it :

Nobody in Israel give a damn about Sweden or Carl blidt

Besides from Blond girls volunteering n the Kibbutz - you are nothing !
10:23 May 31, 2010 by Rick Methven
The IDF says we where attacked.LOL

The Israel drops troops armed to the teeth on to an unarmed ship in INTERNATIONAL waters and kills 10 and says that THEY where attacked. NATO, the Chinese and everybody else sends war ships to the gulf to protect shipping from Somali pirates but EXACTLY the same sort of act by Israel is self defence?.

Time to blockade Israel and board every ship going in or out of Israeli ports and see how they like it
10:47 May 31, 2010 by Kevin Harris
The IDF really messed this up. Israel's elite PR representatives have been working the media hard this morning, but even they can't present this in a positive light. Veteran CNN, Sky and BBC journalists are visibly disgusted with them.

I think that's a fair emotion in the circumstances.

The Jews of Israel have become what tried to destroy them.
10:48 May 31, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
What has happened is tragic and could have been avoided, especially if the foolhardy sailors had called the whole thing off - instead of playing heroics.

Soon enough, Carl Bildt will be hollering, "Let my people go!"

This is what the machete-wielding hooligans (pirates) wanted to happen, to provoke this kind of situation and then point an accusing finger at Israel - like children killing their parents and then crying that they are orphans.

The same principle could have been challenged had the " non-violent" decided to fly in the non-violent aid into Gaza - violating Israeli airspace in doing so.

Predictably the aid carrier in the air would have either, been escorted to a safe landing place by the Israeli airforce or, alternatively, shot down.

The purpose in boarding the ships was to escort them to safety. That the Israelis were met with violent resistance from hooligans armed with machetes and knives is no surprise because I heard on al-Jazeera that they ( the hooligans) were not going to be conducted to an Israeli port, without resistance.

As peropaco wrote at the beginning of that thread, similar action would be expected by South Korea - should the North enter their peaceful waters and refuse to comply with orders in a vain attempt at breaking an embargo - even after being warned about the course of action that would be the inevitable consequence

10:52 May 31, 2010 by omansour
In a Press conference with the Israeli deputy prime minister, he was asked if the Israeli occupational forces has any proof that any of the ships has weapons. He replied that " we are still doing investigations and he can't provide anything until these are completed"

However at the same time, they attacked the ships and killed tens of people even though he himself was stupid to say that things are still under investigation.

Apart from being a criminal act against humanitarian aids, Israeli forces attacked the ships in International water where they have no right to do so.

What do get? condemnations!!! When is the world going to protect freedom in Palestine and stop Israeli from their ugly occupation!!!!
10:54 May 31, 2010 by Luckystrike
@Cornelius Hamelberg

I was anticipating the first pro-israeli to post some bulldung propoganda...

"machete-wielding hooligans" LOL
10:55 May 31, 2010 by c9dw2rm82
@Rick Methven :

Time to blockade Israel and board every ship going in or out of Israeli ports and see how they like it ?

Who would do that the "Sweden Navy" or The Marines ?

Get real , Stop living in your cold & gray Lala land !
11:00 May 31, 2010 by wolverine2k
haha.. all the pro-muslims are shouting their dim wits in the comments now. I love Israel and Long Live Israel. They are the only ones who can stand against the terrorist religion's onslaught.

@#7: Why should they use rubber bullets? Do you guys use bombs which don't kill innocent people?

Anyways, me thinks all the problems in the world are because of these bearded goats. Pack them all up in a flotilla and send it off on a collision course with Sun or better still Pluto. Half-way on the journey, make sure that all the airlocks open and the rest would be history.
11:04 May 31, 2010 by eppie

Very good arguments.....you were paying attention in debating class it seems.

I don't see how anyone in his right mind could defend these kind of actions.

And what would Sweden be able to do? Or any of the other European countries and the US?

What about just to stop pumping in billions of dollars of subsidies every year. I understand why the west gives Israel huge sums of money and goods every year, but the least they can do is telling them to behave like civilized people-
11:04 May 31, 2010 by luxio
Israel is a big problem for everyone !
11:05 May 31, 2010 by RobinHood

Did you miss your medication this morning?
11:06 May 31, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Everybody, including you, knows that this is exactly what they wanted and that this is what happened.

11:08 May 31, 2010 by Jan M
Of course not. However Israel exists because the US provides it with enough military hardware and aid to survive. It's assets in terms of natural resources etc. aren't adequate to allow it to alienate itself from the rest of that part of the world and survive - that's what the discussion is actually about. The US at the moment props it up. Obama has been losing patience though and he simply needs the guts to turn the taps off slowly and pressure a change in attitude. This isn't an anti-Jewish suggestion because unfortunately Jews worldwide will have to cope with a backlash after incidents this sort. Israel can only protect its own territory but its actions make life harder for Jews, Arabs and Palestinians on a global scale. Furthermore Israel clearly doesn't care about that. The recent incidents in Malmo are just one small example of that.
11:19 May 31, 2010 by planethero
Dear me, Israel, seriously, you really did it this time, avenging rocket attacks is one thing, killing aid workers is quite another.
11:28 May 31, 2010 by Hagrid
Two questions:

1. If these activists were indeed 'unarmed' and came on a so-called 'peaceful humanitarian mission' - then what were sticks, bats and knives doing on the ships? Why have they violently stormed the incoming troops with these weapons, and why have they opened live fire on them, with a gun they snatched? Were they really that peaceful?

2. The Israeli Navy told these activists that it welcomes the relief packages sent to Gaza, and that they can simply dock in the port of Ashdod and inspect as their goods are transferred to Gaza through the land crossings. Why have they rejected this simple solution? Clearly this would have accomplished their mission of transferring the goods to Gaza, while avoiding all the violence and bloodshed. Could it be that their mission was not really about providing aid and relief, and much more about making a political point?
11:34 May 31, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
(Edited - by me )

Early this morning (May 31) the Israel Navy intercepted the flotilla after the passengers on board ignored Israeli warnings. IDF forces met with severe pre-planned violence from the demonstrators, including use of live fire and light weaponry.

This happened after numerous warnings from Israel and the Israeli Navy that were issued prior to the event. The Israeli Navy requested the ships to redirect toward Ashdod where they would be able to unload their aid supplies which would then be transferred over land after undergoing security inspections.

During the boarding of the ships, demonstrators onboard attacked the IDF Naval personnel with live fire and light weaponry including knives and clubs. Additionally, one of the weapons used was grabbed from an IDF soldier. The demonstrators had clearly prepared their weapons in advance for this specific purpose.

As a result of this life-threatening and violent activity, naval forces first employed riot dispersal means, and followed by live fire.

According to initial reports, these events resulted in over ten deaths among the demonstrators and numerous injuries. In addition, more than four naval personnel were injured, some from gunfire and some from various other weapons. Two of the soldiers are moderately wounded and the remainder sustained light injuries. All of the injured parties, Israelis and foreigners, are currently being evacuated by helicopter to hospitals in Israel.

Reports from IDF forces at the scene indicate that some of the participants onboard the ships were planning to lynch the forces.

The events are ongoing, and information will be updated as soon as possible. Israeli Naval commander, Vice Admiral Eliezer Marom is overseeing the events.

the ships will be directed to the Ashdod port, while IDF naval forces perform security checks in order to identify the people on board the ships and their equipment.

This IDF naval operation was carried out under orders from the political leadership to prevent the flotilla from reaching the Gaza Strip and breaching the maritime closure.

The boarding of ships in the flotilla followed numerous warnings given to the organizers of the flotilla before leaving their ports as well as while sailing towards the Gaza Strip. In these warnings, it was made clear to the organizers that they could dock in the Ashdod Sea Port and unload the equipment they are carrying in order to deliver it to the Gaza Strip in an orderly manner, following the appropriate security checks. Upon expressing their unwillingness to cooperate and arrive at the port, it was decided upon to board the ships and lead them to Ashdod.

IDF naval personnel encountered severe violence, including use of weaponry prepared in advance in order to attack and to harm them. The forces operated in adherence with operational commands and took all necessary actions in order to avoid violence, but to no avail
11:36 May 31, 2010 by c9dw2rm82
Jan M

Of course not. However Israel exists because the US provides it with enough military hardware and aid to survive.

Uneducated Swede :

The so called "military aid" is less than 1% of the total Israeli GDP (You can See the Numbers In Google)- Actually right Now Israel give loans to the World - African countries (Through the IMF)
11:40 May 31, 2010 by RobinHood
The IDF has a long tradition of roughing up uppity aid and human rights workers who dare to stand up to them. Usually they do it in a police or army cell.

This time they stormed a ship in international waters and when the captain asked them to leave, and then tried to force them off his ship, as is his right, they let rip with the Uzis while the media filmed it all.

These people have nuclear weapons. They can't even responsibly handle light machine guns. UN, disarm Israel's nuclear arsenal before they really get mad and mess up with a nuke.
11:45 May 31, 2010 by Kevin Harris
@Cornelius Hambelberg

That's enough boring propaganda today thank you. You are wearing out the scroll down button on my mouse. I'm sure my mouse is not the only mouse to be stressed by you today.
11:46 May 31, 2010 by imoreno
This is all one big show produced by the HAMAS, and we're all spectators who say and do exactly as HAMAS want us to.

The flotilla was organized by IHH - a group with close connections to HAMAS as well as el-quaida.

The only reason the entire thing became violent is that the organizers wanted it to become violent. That's why they has several weapons aboard the ships, and that's why they used those guns.

The fire that was shot first came from the "humanitarian" ship. You'll see proof for it in coming hours.
11:48 May 31, 2010 by wolverine2k
@18: I don't need to have any medication dude. It is common sense.

The bearded goats of course gets their (over) dosage 7 times every day. And believe me, that dosage even once in your entire life leaves you incapable of thinking and makes stupid donkeys out of human beings.

Better avoid it.
11:51 May 31, 2010 by DAVID T
The Israeli Navy told these activists that it welcomes the relief packages sent to Gaza - so if you don't listen you will get your ass kicked - silly sailors
11:58 May 31, 2010 by Redbee
Israel is propped up by the west particulary the US ,why is it allowed to have weapons of mass destruction and nuclear bombs when other nations are criticized ,it's about time that this hypocrisy of the west was shown for what it is ,double standards .Israel's treatment of the palestinians relates to the way the jews were treated in the 2nd world war which the jews rightly are always lamenting about , but it's double standards .
12:06 May 31, 2010 by stenhuggaren
http://www.shiptogaza.se/ - they have never hidden the fact the project has three distinct but inter-related goals. There is nothing clandestine in this.

A non-violent political protest against an illegal economic blockade does not deserve to be met with Israeli violence, which was furthermore carried out in international waters 45 kilometres outside of Israel's own blockade zone of Gaza. What is the difference today between the IDF and Somali pirates?
12:09 May 31, 2010 by Mackan2017
Israel takes one step closer to a war it can never win. It's rumoured that many of those that were murdered by the Israeli forces were Turkish. It's not a good idea to pick a fight with Turkey, they have a bottomless pit of willing young fighters, very professional & well-equipped Armed Forces, and an unshakeable mental toughness which will see them overrun any kind of resistance that Israel puts up. It would be a one-sided fight. And Israel deserves all that is coming to it for using false passports of "friendly" nations in the Dubai hit.
12:12 May 31, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
No negotiations, no protests agains Israel but the militry strikes against Israel's militry arsenals, which is being used just to kill civilians, is the only viable solution to restore peace in this world. Common world..lets do it once for all
12:26 May 31, 2010 by delusion1982
you focking Israeli piece of shite! stop brining death, misery and sadness to this world. and you dumbass commentators, the dead activists aint Palestinians nor Arabs, stop being idiotic.. since the democratization of the media (internet), there is a new generation of idiots who think that being against the stream is a cool fashion, but this aint a conspiracy theory against Israel, this is truth being revealed, a truth saying that Israel can shite on any nation on earth and no one would mind, thanks to that idiots are filling all nations
12:43 May 31, 2010 by theibmsstate
Israel is illegal state in this world.

looser state ,loosers to attack on innocent palestianen,shame on u israel. sweden did right. sweden care abt human rights, israel dont have power to attack on iran.if israel will try on iran.than israel will not exists in this world.

small population lol.jews only have problem with muslims. muslims will never fininsh in this world,bt jews will fininsh soon in this world.
12:45 May 31, 2010 by Adam Neira
Looks like the so-called peace flotilla was nothing of the sort. The intention of various organisers and participants was to turn this into a military operation. The goods to be delivered were a distraction and decoy. Cool heads must prevail . I hope and trust that the Israeli leaders and their counterparts in neighbouring countries make the right decisions in the coming hours and days. Hamas should not be calling for an uprising in this current climate. If they want things to spiral out of control they will come off second best.

P.S. For all the anti-Israel people out there, did you know that Israel has been delivering fifteen thousand tonnes of goods every week into Gaza for more than a year now ? Did you know that pistols and knives were at the ready for the boarding party ? Did you know this happened only 17 kms offshore ? Did you also know that recently the daughter of a leading Hamas leader was rushed to Jordan with the help of Israeli physicians ? Did you know that Egypt is building a border wall with the Gaza Strip ? Did you know that the shops in Gaza are overflowing with goods ? Did you know that rockets continue to be fired on the south of Israel from Gaza ?
12:51 May 31, 2010 by peropaco
@Mackan2017,. the Arabs and Muslims has been trying relentlessly for years to destroy Israel and each time they have fail. What makes you think they will not fail again? If the Turks think they can win well bring it on.. Oh Wait,. I know,. the arabs,turks will hide amongst women, children's and hospitals has they always do and then parade dead bodies to get the media on their side.

Ali bin umar.. The neighbouring Muslims countries are a bunch of pussy-cats and they lack the intelligence to organize such strike... I am Yisrael chai
12:54 May 31, 2010 by Kronaboy

I think the Turkish Navy is more than capable of blockading a poxy little country like Israel.

@Adam Neira

"P.S. For all the anti-Israel people out there, did you know that Israel has been delivering fifteen thousand tonnes of goods every week into Gaza for more than a year now ? "

Which according to the UN is 1/3 of what 1.5 million prisoners in Gaza need to survive.
12:54 May 31, 2010 by Tall swede
Guess the IDF saw an opportunity for some new and fresh organs!
12:55 May 31, 2010 by theibmsstate
by force they captured palentinean land.....

everyday they are killing palestine muslims.

they have all kind of nuclear ,mass destruction etc. world should worry from israel
13:05 May 31, 2010 by peropaco
@theibmsstate, I think just the radical muslim population of Europe is a greater danger for the world than Israel. You say muslims will never finish in this world? is it because they breed like maggots and spread faster than condyloma?
13:06 May 31, 2010 by Audrian
Israel is ruled by religious fanatics, who believe that God and the US are behind them. They know that Europe is America's rubber stamp whose noise does not go beyond some murmurs and diplomatic pretence.

The more Israel maintains an intransigent position, the more crimes it commits. In the short run it is inconsequential, as the US is behind it. In the long run it will come to bite it, because the world situation might change dramatically, bringing with it breakthroughs in science and technology, changing world balance of power with mass destruction-weapons hitherto unknown to humans, could fall in the hands of its enemies. The US in its own self interest might ditch Israel and try to live as a normal country would, e.g., Scandinavian countries, Switzerland, Brazil, Singapore, and South Africa. This is when Israel will face a real existential threat. (Right now it is Palestinians who are facing existential threat.)

My advice to other Israel's is to rise up and take state power and save Israel from going further into this destructive path.
13:08 May 31, 2010 by theibmsstate
turkey is also powerful.pakistan is also nuclear power country.lol

israel only want to take arab for oil hungry..

noblood for oil.
13:08 May 31, 2010 by rymagnusson
Can't we instead hope that there won't be further loss of life and try to focus on finding out what has happened rather than trying to use it as political fodder for everyone's ideologies? The Pro-Israeli side will say this is a conspiracy set up to make Israel look bad and that somehow the victim deserves it. The Anti-Israel side will use this overreach as evidence of further atrocities by the government.

Since it's a stalemate of pre-established thought, why don't we instead wait and see what happens as the facts become more apparent?
13:15 May 31, 2010 by theibmsstate

yes this is true muslims are spreading very much.

bt 1st u should clean ur shitty ass with water not with tissue paper.

i want to know @perupaco why u have problem with muslims. ur by muslims or wat.u have some problem thats why ur against muslims.

lol shame ur not breeding .ask from ur mother whos ur father.
13:17 May 31, 2010 by sorr
The Israeli attack on the Freedom Flotilla is an ugly crime and against international law and this reflects the nature of the criminal Israeli occupation
13:24 May 31, 2010 by peropaco

Te pido me escribas en lunfardo porque no entiendo ni un carajo lo que queres decir.. ;-)
13:33 May 31, 2010 by pintoflex
If the "Humanitarian Aid" boat was heading to the israeli port and cleared by custom, as was required by the israeli government - this wouldn't have happened and the aid would have reached it's destination. Israel cant risk an UNCHECKED "humanitarian" boat going straight to Gaza since in previous attempts weapons used against israelis has been included.

this is an aimed provocation by the so called "humanitarians"...
13:34 May 31, 2010 by bbeynch
The fact that the Local opened up this story to comment, tells us something about Swedish media. Clearly The Local must have known that this would give a field day to all islamo-fascists, of which there are hundreds of thousands protected by Sweden, and the great majority of whom are supporting themlselves straight out of the pockets of the Swedish tax payers. These IFs are now free to unleash their sqewed venom, usually backed up by religious/cultural fanaticism in their zeal to turn Sweden into a Nordic califate, parasiting Swedish tax payer funds to achieve this end. Some of my `favorite` islamic commentators, and other leftist refuse have already weighed in. You know who you you are. Watch, these intruders are going to get a lot mileage out of this one. A fair and balanced debate does not enter into the thought process of these people. - Hence one wonders why the story below `Woman killed while picking flowers` was not open to comment. What hides behind that story one wonders. Doesn't one?
13:43 May 31, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Kevin Harris

Of mice and men ....?

I'm not going to be the one to tell you what to do.

Truth is in the link below but you too are free to ignore it, non-violently of course:

13:48 May 31, 2010 by pintoflex
For all the anti-Israel people out there, did you know that Israel has been delivering fifteen thousand tonnes of goods every week into Gaza for more than a year now ? Did you know that pistols and knives were at the ready for the boarding party ? Did you know this happened only 17 kms offshore ? Did you also know that recently the daughter of a leading Hamas leader was rushed to Jordan with the help of Israeli physicians ? Did you know that Egypt is building a border wall with the Gaza Strip ? Did you know that the shops in Gaza are overflowing with goods ? Did you know that rockets continue to be fired on the south of Israel from Gaza ?
13:49 May 31, 2010 by Jan M
I recall the last response of this sort to a media report on Israel - the organ harvesting scandal. The reaction from some then including the Israeli government was that this was an anti-Israeli conspiracy and could not have happened. The Israelis have now charged five people including a retired Israeli general with organ trafficking. They couldn't control their people then and they can't control them now. I'm not expecting many people on this page to accept facts because clearly there are a large number who like to hide from reality or at least view it selectively but it is the media's duty in a democracy to report crimes. Here's the latest on the last story. Happy reading folks:

(Guardian newspaper)

Five Israelis charged with organ trafficking

Ring 'exploited desperate condition of sick people', say Israel police

* Associated Press in Jerusalem

* guardian.co.uk, Thursday 22 April 2010 19.14 BST

* Article history

Israel has charged five of its citizens, including a retired army general, with operating a nationwide organ trafficking ring that ensnared dozens of potential victims. The charges include human trafficking for the purpose of organ harvesting and money laundering.

The indictment says that the ring exploited the desperate condition of sick people and called it a "form of modern slavery." The traffickers allegedly offered up to $100,000 per kidney but in at least two cases did not pay the donors, who were sought through advertisements and then flown from Israel to Europe, South America or Southeast Asia, where the organs were extracted in illegal procedures. Israeli law bans organ sales
13:50 May 31, 2010 by just a question
There were Spaniards on that ship too.

Israel has gone too far this time.
14:09 May 31, 2010 by truthworthy
this is sad and unacceptable, i wish the west wakes up for this barbaric country .
14:10 May 31, 2010 by pintoflex
amazing to see how much hatred is coming out against jews / israelis and muslims, everytime there's a discussion in the Local over some Israel related news.


Tolerance people tolerance!
14:13 May 31, 2010 by Rrakkma
First of all, you ignorant kids (you know who you are) should read about religions and learn more before stating Islam is a religion aiming terrorist acts towards other beliefs. I don't belong to any religion and refuse to pick one but still I know that one of the main rules of becoming a muslim is also believing God's other prophets, holy books and angels. If not, that person is not muslim according to their holy book.

Some groups getting paid handsomely by other countries, who are trying to divide people and cause chaos, are only using the name of this religion and unfortunately some other ignorant citizens are following them (same goes for other religions, read history and learn that "terrorism" is not an islamic act). That's the only fact, the fact; it's a board game countries play with money and weapons.

On topic, no matter what the reason is, attacking those ships carrying support to civilians is a fatal mistake and inhuman.
14:15 May 31, 2010 by Open Minded
Israel has support of USA, France, UK So Sweden must them to stop.

everything israel does they ask USA. without US/France/UK they cant drink water.

Actually it is American weapons where many peace keeper dies. and the billion of $$$$.

They will kill your sons,daughters outside/inside. so stop crying like kids.

This is was the time when the Quran commend to "kill them where ever you find them" Because some human simply do not understand only words. You need to defend yourself. for some words are not enough. We human have a limit and requires to fight back and I am agree with Quran on this matter to not let your nation die by hand of criminals who do not want peace but piece of LANDs.

because the same things they were doing to Muslims on the old days, ambushing them breaking promises, looting murdering until the verse were reviled to fight back. but if they want peace then give peace.

US/UK/france must stop sending billion of dollars and their support to the this terrorist nation israelis.
14:17 May 31, 2010 by Abbot
@Mackan2017. Don't drool too much over the supposed 'greatness' of the Turkish armed forces. Outside of bombing Kurd bases in Iraq (sort of like Israel does to Hamas in the Gaza Strip) and killing Greek prisoners on Cyprus, they haven't done much to prove their fighting prowess. Then there is the 'little' problem of the forces having to get through Syria and Lebanon to reach Israel.

To the serial moaners going on about Israel and nuclear weapons: prove they have them before demanding they get rid of them.
14:20 May 31, 2010 by Jan M
Your timing is perfect. The Guardian again:

Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons

Exclusive: Secret apartheid-era papers give first official evidence of Israeli nuclear weapons

* Chris McGreal in Washington

* The Guardian, Monday 24 May 2010

* Article history

The secret military agreement signed by Shimon Peres and P W Botha

The secret military agreement signed by Shimon Peres, now president of Israel, and P W Botha of South Africa. Photograph: Guardian

Secret South African documents reveal that Israel offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime, providing the first official documentary evidence of the state's possession of nuclear weapons.

The "top secret" minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975 show that South Africa's defence minister, PW Botha, asked for the warheads and Shimon Peres, then Israel's defence minister and now its president, responded by offering them "in three sizes". The two men also signed a broad-ranging agreement governing military ties between the two countries that included a clause declaring that "the very existence of this agreement" was to remain secret.

The documents, uncovered by an American academic, Sasha Polakow-Suransky, in research for a book on the close relationship between the two countries, provide evidence that Israel has nuclear weapons despite its policy of "ambiguity" in neither confirming nor denying their existence.

The Israeli authorities tried to stop South Africa's post-apartheid government declassifying the documents at Polakow-Suransky's request and the revelations will be an embarrassment, particularly as this week's nuclear non-proliferation talks in New York focus on the Middle East.

They will also undermine Israel's attempts to suggest that, if it has nuclear weapons, it is a "responsible" power that would not misuse them, whereas countries such as Iran cannot be trusted.
14:45 May 31, 2010 by Torontonian
Again and again some agitator is surprised of Israeli dis-proportionate response. How about not agitating? Has this lesson got lost (again)?
14:46 May 31, 2010 by dew_pansy
Israel must be called terrarist state. This is the crime against more than 50 countries. This is the crime against humanity and specially against muslims. I dont know what has happened to world. I hope Obama will cancel his meeting with Israeili prime minister which is going to held soon. End of Israel has started now which i can see.
14:57 May 31, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Q: Why would the ships not want to be escorted to a safe harbour where their cargo could be inspected and those approved of forwarded to the Gazans?

14:58 May 31, 2010 by crocadoodledoo
@pintoflex..couldnt agree more.. i can understand if a palaestinian person vents his anger on israel like this (as he/she is the one suffering) but i would not believe that all those commenting anti-israel here are palaestinians.

guys, a lot of things happen in the background which we as ordinary people dont have a whiff of and not everything is published about who did what . The popular media of a particular country only publishes stuff which gathers more readership among its masses...its pure business for them.. So, stop believing propaganda and try to educate yourself on such controversial topics by researching all sides of the story. Muslims, more often than not, are extremely vulnerable to believe propaganda as they never see anything wrong with their brethren.
15:17 May 31, 2010 by sebseb
Israrel's PM, Benjamin "sionist" Netanyahou is currently in Canada. I wonder what the Canadian's PM will tell Netanyahou?

Probably "good job"!
15:22 May 31, 2010 by Hagrid
So much stupidity and hatred emanates from the posters in here, as seen from slogans like, "'israel is the most criminal and terrorist illegal state in the world" (@4), "criminal, sick in the head, state of israel" (@7), "Israel's treatment of the palestinians relates to the way the jews were treated in the 2nd world war" (@30), "militry strikes against Israel's militry arsenals, which is being used just to kill civilians" (@33), "Guess the IDF saw an opportunity for some new and fresh organs!" (@39), "Israel is ruled by religious fanatics" (@42), "israel only want to take arab for oil hungry.." (@43), "barbaric country" (@55), "terrorist nation israelis" (@58), etc.

To all those haters who cry out these catchy yet empty slogans, I dare you to give convincing answers to the two questions I put in @22, or address any of Cornelius Hamelberg's solid points. Don't fall for the simplistic headlines, exercise your brain a bit. (Of course, if it's too difficult to address the hard facts, you can always go back to slinging empty slogans).
15:28 May 31, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
Militry strikes and only MILITRY STRIKES on heaps of ammos inside Israel is the SOLUTION.
15:36 May 31, 2010 by sebseb
Hagrid: what you quote, unfortunately, is kind of kind towards Israel, considering the fact that the entire world has no chance to reach peace with Israel.
15:38 May 31, 2010 by crofab
Disgusting move from Israel. The US needs to step up and stop supporting Israel. Only then will there be hopes for a legitimate peace process.
16:00 May 31, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
Israel Prime Minister Gives 'Full Support' to Military in Gaza Flotilla Raid............ FOX news headline
16:22 May 31, 2010 by hpunlimited
Considering what the Jewish people went thru in WWII, it is amazing that they turn around and do the same to their own minorities. Some people never learn from history and that is very sad.

It is probably time that the UK takes back the donated territory of "Palestine" and disolve the state of Israel.
16:23 May 31, 2010 by jazzIIIlove
I find Israel act excessive, killing or aiming to kill has no excuses. Prior reaching to international sea, the ship has the aim to resist the Israeli forces. I mean those incidents would inevitably occur. The very problem is the aid coming from Turkey is not supported by official the Red Crescent of Turkey but a minor group supported by Fetullah Gulen, accepted as a fundementalist threat to Turkish secular system and if you examine the protester, the ones who protest against Israeli (always protesting) have the roots of fundementalism. So, we must evaluate the both sides without a bias. But all in all, Israeli forces should have hesitated such hostility towards others.
16:25 May 31, 2010 by enlightened
@ Hagrid #22

Here are the answers for your two questions:

1. "what were sticks, bats and knives doing on the ships"

I don't know if they had such things on ship, but let's assume they did. Are you saying that bats and sticks are a threat to an Israeli military who are armed to their teeth. Doesn't make a bit of sense... unless you think smuggling bats and sticks to Hamas will bring an end to the state of Israel.

"... and why have they opened live fire on them, with a gun they snatched"

This is starting to sound like a bollywood movie. Now you're saying they snatched a gun and fired it on the Israeli soldiers. I don't believe one bit that the Israeli soldiers were having a picnic on ship with their weapons easy to snatch. They stormed in intending to kill innocent people. In that sense it is fair to try to snatch a weapon to defend yourself.

2. "The Israeli Navy told these activists that it welcomes the relief packages sent to Gaza, and that they can simply dock in the port of Ashdod and inspect as their goods are transferred to Gaza through the land crossings. Why have they rejected this simple solution? "

Israel has no right to blockade Gaza in the first place. Why should Palestinians ask permission from Israel to import goods through their waters?

Israel showed today that it is indeed a criminal state that survives by killing innocent civilians.
16:26 May 31, 2010 by izbz
Guess if there be no Isreal there be less muslim extremist....Sometimes it is hard for me to blame muslim extremist but yet I am against killing of innocent and fanatics of any sects or religion. Where there is fanatics there is always trouble.

I guess weapons dealers are the one to be blame( we all know where these weapons come from)

No country have the right to attack on international waters, worse of all a vessel with humanitary aids.


tolerance people tolerance!!!!!!! Tell it to Isreal. No one here is a rasist. Do not think with your bloody toe
16:58 May 31, 2010 by Decedo
Israel are the modern day Nazis. If the US didn't so many money grubbing Jews financing their government, the US would be in there kicking little kosher butts
17:05 May 31, 2010 by Hagrid
@ sebseb: no chance to reach peace with Israel? I can give you ample evidence on the opposite. Anyway thank you for proving my point once again regarding empy slogans.

@hpunlimited: " they turn around and do the same to their own minorities" - so, Israel exercises a genocide against the Palestinians, and has a "final solution" for eradicating them from the world? Jeez, your brains must be fried on some strong drug.

"It is probably time that the UK takes back the donated territory of "Palestine" and disolve the state of Israel." - LOL so the colonial Brits have long since been kicked out, Tony Blair's lame goodwill missions notwithstanding.

@enlightened: "unless you think smuggling bats and sticks to Hamas will bring an end to the state of Israel" - No. But they did say they were "unarmed civilians on a mission of peace" - and that makes them liars to the world.

"I don't believe one bit that the Israeli soldiers were having a picnic on ship with their weapons easy to snatch" - YOU not believing it, does not mean it didn't happen. You can read all about the raid on the floilla, from first-hand accounts, right here: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3896796,00.html

I do realize though, that naturally you won't believe anything which conflicts with your already-made mind. Which brings me to your next quote: "They stormed in intending to kill innocent people" - Huh?????? That makes absolutely no sense at alll. All the troops wanted to do, was get command of the ship. If you honestly believe they were on a killing mission, well... No sense for me to engage in a senseless debate with you.

"Israel has no right to blockade Gaza in the first place" - Yes it does, because Palestinians have proven time and again that they would use any method possible to smuggle rockets, explosives and weapns into the strip. And if that is OK with you, this brings me to my previous conclusion - no sense of us debating here.
17:06 May 31, 2010 by J Jack
Stupid and childish planning on the part of the activists and their leaders. Very irresponsible behavior on the part of the ships' Captains. Sailing in the direction of the blockade with the intention to break it, is no less breaking the law than the Israel Army already have. It's not a matter of law anymore. It's a matter of common sense. These idiots have made it worse for Gaza and they will no doubt revere their dead fellows as heroes to take the spotlight away from the blood on their hands. Israel is not a hippie benefit concert at Wembly Stadium, It's a country at war! So sad that well meaning and sincere, but sincerely wrong and misled people have lost their lives in this so preventable tragedy.
17:06 May 31, 2010 by jazzIIIlove
Another thing is that as you don't know, Turkey as institutions was neutral towards the conflict btw. Israel and Palestine until 2000s. Then the AKP having a history of fundementalism is in charge and the polarization occurs with government and military forces of Turkey and Israel stuff is one important dispute. As I said in the comment #71, Fetullah Gulen who is in exile in USA supports for AKP possibly wants to help the current governent of AKP to increase the support for the party because it's diminishing due to the rise of social democrats after unification of left wing. So, the very way is to start a conflict with a government, in this case, Israel to feed the hatred and the PM Erdogan has the idea to be active in conflicts so that he can get majority again. The very issue in turkey now is that Israel's act is being tied to kurdish seperatist/terrorist group PKK since today, 7 soldiers were killed near Antakya, a close region to Syria. So, all in all, I think it's a conspiracy against Israel and Israel acted without thinking and now, it has the lower hand.
17:07 May 31, 2010 by coos126
A ship carrying the flag of a country, is regarded as soil of that country. Therefore attacking it on international waters, consists attack to the respective country. Thus, now Israel can be regarded as attacking Turkey, Sweden and Greece at the same time since the boats the israeli navy boarded on were under these flags.

Plz cornelius can you comment on that as the Isreali Embasy spokesperson?

Btw there is a demonstration at 6pm at sergels torg for anyone interested.
17:12 May 31, 2010 by laura ka baal
Birds of same feather flock together,all are interconnected,why has the ambassador been summoned to have tea and bullar with the minister,these dramas are very old they should try something very new.
17:17 May 31, 2010 by jazzIIIlove
@J Jack:

As in my comments 71 and 77, the plot is set very well done in Turkey, we, here all know that the ships would try to infiltrate and a resistance was expected, as I said, if you want to have a humanitarian aid, where would you ask for this? Red Cross, Red Crescent, Unicef etc. but the ones in the ship, at least the organisators are from a union IHH. IHH is group of people who are supported by Fetullah Gulen who is in exile in USA due to the threat for the secular state of Turkey. The ideas are in charge in Turkey for more than 10 years together with the PM Erdogan. So, it was expected because the party, AKP who has fundementalist roots needs more support since there is a rise in support for social democrats in Turkey. So, Turkey needs some conflicts to gain support that's the reason why the PM plays the Iran card and right now, Israeli conflict binding Israel with PKK (the spokesman of turkish government says so)
17:42 May 31, 2010 by J Jack
@ coos126, I'm a professional Captain on indefinite sabbatical and have to tell you for flag theory is full of holes. Also I think I said It was about Common Sense more than International Law. Those boats had more people than supplies. It was a patsy for a political statement. I sure hope that the supplies still get to Gaza, the hooligans go to jail and the floatilla goes to the Gulf of Mexico to be useful and scoop up some oil.
17:44 May 31, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
Through an EVIL planning, emerged an EVIL land, which always behaves now in EVIL way. Is there any GOOD way to deal EVIL?
17:49 May 31, 2010 by Torontonian
#74 6:58 May 31, 2010 by Decedo

Israel are the modern day Nazis. If the US didn't so many money grubbing Jews financing their government, the US would be in there kicking little kosher butts

Comments like that is what makes Israelis much more resolute to protect their country. There is no other home for Jews and no "Peace Activist" with a machete will change that.
18:18 May 31, 2010 by Recon
What do you expect to happen when a boat load of "peace activist" with weapons attack Israeli commandos?
18:51 May 31, 2010 by diegoveggie
why should israel give sweden any explanations? it's ridiculous. sweden has always stood on the wrong side of history. i has never taken a stand (either against the nazi regime, or against the soviet regime). i would have liked to see swedish politicians outraged at hammas human rights abuses inside the gaza strip. that would be taking a stand.
19:17 May 31, 2010 by Abbot
There is a video on YouTube called 'Demonstrators Use Violence Against Israeli Navy Soldiers Attempting to Board Ship' that shows just how 'peaceful' the activists were. I would have shot them too and you would have also!
19:19 May 31, 2010 by Matan
The Israeli soldiers were attacked when they tried to board the ship.

The "peace activists" were carrying weapons. The Israeli soldiers were attacked by crowd armed with combat knives, batons and pistols (Yes, they were being shot at by pistols).

Why would Israel just go board a ship and slaughter 15 humans for no reason?

It doesn't make any sense. You must be really dumb to believe that or just a Anti-Semite.
19:21 May 31, 2010 by Rahelli
long live israel
19:49 May 31, 2010 by calebian22
"Mikael Löfgren explained that the activists were aware of the Israeli government's warnings, while stressing that the "Ship to Gaza" project is a peaceful non-violent operation. We will not meet violence, with violence," Löfgren said.

Paste the following into Youtube to see the above quote contradicted.

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers
20:00 May 31, 2010 by Kevin Harris

"Why would Israel just go board a ship and slaughter 15 humans for no reason?"

A good question. Analysis of the newsreal, and accounts from independant journalists on board give the answer. The mostly Turkish passengers and crew of the Turkish ship put up quite a fight; as they are entitled to do when any ship is attacked by heavily armed pirates in international waters. The IDF boys, used to sniping at civilians from 2 kms away got the worst of it and were about to be tossed into the sea. One was disarmed and shot with his own weapon. Instead of doing the right thing and laying down their weapons to preserve civilian lives (even at the cost of their own), they let rip with high powered machine guns and spayed the decks shooting anyone standing upright. What brave boys these IDF special forces were this morning.

Well done the Turks who showed real courage and got the best of the IDF until the cowards let rip with their Uzis. I look forward to reading about aggressive Turkish naval and air exercises just off Israeli international waters.

This is a PR disaster for Israel. Even the slimy worm tongues representing Israel on the news channels tonight look embarrased. I never thought that was possible. Poor Netanyahu can't even face Obama tomorrow and scuttled home in shame. He's as cowardly as his soldiers.

Israel, and Israelis, seem to have gone rotten from the inside. What a shame, it all started with such vision and hope. Now its just a cowardly shell of what it used to be. What a betrayal of the ideas of the founders.
20:08 May 31, 2010 by cupcakeslovemuffin
Israel is EVIL may you burn in hell forever and after your're stupid moron. How can all over civilization country just silent and quiet after all israel done to humanitary?
20:08 May 31, 2010 by SilentLogic
Shame on those who are still defending Israel's barbarian act. And instead of logical reasoning and argument saying others pro moslims or pro whatever,,,,.
20:12 May 31, 2010 by muda
Jews rule the world by proxy. No matter what the Jews do they are considered right. Like it or not Jews have conquered this world. They can do what they like, nobody cares especially Uncle Sam.
20:21 May 31, 2010 by sherkovic
I am surprised they only 'called on Israel to clarify' this literally means nothing. Sweden should have rather strongly 'condemned' this act of violence and terrorism in the international waters by attacking innocent, unarmed, and peacful civilians which is not only the violation of human rights but also the breach of United Nations treaties.

America: Are you going to send your Drones to Tel Aviv now????
20:27 May 31, 2010 by Essjay
Firstly this happened in international waters therefore it is piracy ,and that is a crime as well as the crime of murder.

Secondly the Israelis have managed to get even more worldwide hostility against them ,they seem to feel secure in their militaristic ,religeous fundamentalist state , but not all jews support them though many do ,Israel has managed to to boost anti-semitism to a new high ,those that hate jews must be laughing their heads off and some innocent jews will suffer , but do they care ,obviously not ,that means more will want to move there for safety so more land has to be stolen from the Palestinians !
20:28 May 31, 2010 by Abbot

Israel produces its own drones and exports them, so they don't need US models. Russia is even planning to buy a bunch of them.


Israeli forces responded the same way any other country's forces would have reacted in the same circumstances. I am sure even you would have opened fire when being attacked by such 'peace' activists. Look at the video I wrote about earlier and tell us you would have just stood there and let yourself be killed.
20:28 May 31, 2010 by Icarusty
I wouldn't insult Israel guys

Mossad will get you all
20:31 May 31, 2010 by sebseb

why are u wasting you time (chosen people most hve other most import things to do than writing here!!!).

You should just find Henning Mankell and get rid of him, because when he is back in Sweden, he will be talking about what happened for the next year, on a daily basis, to more media than you can imagine.

But, why not wate your time here :)
20:33 May 31, 2010 by Hagrid

Looks like someone is totally clueless and brainwashed. These "innocent, unarmed, and peaceful civilians" as you call them, were lynching the soldiers.

20:36 May 31, 2010 by Icarusty
I hope Mankell is still alive

I want to see more Wallander (with English subs of course)
20:38 May 31, 2010 by millionmileman
Firstly Israel has every right to defend herself in International waters, just as the US interdicts narcotics. If this was humanitarian aid, then howcome these peace activists were prepared with weapons and attacked the commandos before they were even given permission to open fire.

This was nothing more than a publicity stunt to make Israel look bad (as usual). This aid would have been delivered by road from Ashdod to Gaza (probably in Volvo Trucks) but they had to exploit the situation and now people are dead and injured. No means no. Next time stay home or deliver to Ashdod so the weapons to Gaza can be screened out.
20:40 May 31, 2010 by sebseb
Mankell is still alive. http://www.expressen.se/Nyheter/1.2007589/fyra-svenskar-har-fangslats

So, lets the couples of sionists like Hagrid do their pathetic damage control. It is useless anyway...
20:56 May 31, 2010 by jwinzz
The Westerns killed Israelis in Europe, and then punished Arabs by sending all the remaining Israelis to their land. One thing is open: Israel can do nothing without the help of the countries like USA. It is the illicit baby of the US. Where are human rights? What are these rights? For whom they are?
20:57 May 31, 2010 by Icarusty

Haha, I was hearing this phrase all the time in the news, Israel acted in SELF DEFENCE, they were DEFENDING themselves etc... they blindly forget the logic of Israeli commandos going down from an ATTACK helicopter carrying rifles and SMGS to kill people onboard a civvy ship in INTERNATIONAL waters.... the people on board had every right to defend themselves , much like they would if under attack by Somali pirates... yet Mr Israel spokesman says "hey, we were DEFENDING ourselves so its fair game"!
21:03 May 31, 2010 by muda
Even the whole world comdemns Israel, all condemnations will fall onto deaf ears. Eventually everything becomes normal and nobody will do anything about it. This illegal Israeli state is surrounded by Arabs, but what the Arabs do. Nothing. Their balls have been held by Israelis, and they are comfortable with it. This humiliation by Israelis will continue and never stop unless the Muslims themselves are united.
21:04 May 31, 2010 by Flying Scotsman
If Israel is not allowing aid into Gaza, and has attacked this ship in international waters where they hold no jurisdiction, the then the world community, including the UN must enforce sanctions against this country. There is no better way to deliver your message than hitting the country where it hurts the most, FINANCIALLY.

Israel had no right in international waters to attack this ship, and the people onboard this ship had every right to defend themselves.

21:09 May 31, 2010 by Icarusty
Search Youtube for "Self Defense"

Brett Keywood is Israel
21:15 May 31, 2010 by superturbo
It seems that this event turned out exactly like the hamas supporters aboard that ship wanted it to be. Too bad Israel were dumb enough to fall for their trap.

Not that strange that they did since Palestinians and jews share the same ancestry.

I just don't see why Sweden has to take part of this pro-propaganda event....
21:17 May 31, 2010 by Hagrid
@sebseb and all, sorry for confusing you with the facts.

I guess that when weak, silly, and totally-biased arguments are completely overmatched with solid facts and thorough reasoning - then another empty slogan ("pathetic damage control") comes to the rescue! :-)
21:31 May 31, 2010 by sebseb

you are laughable, since the damage control after the war in Lebanon had no effect, do you really believe that this time you will succeed?

I like you thinkng!
21:42 May 31, 2010 by J Jack
@ flying scot,, First, Article 86 of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the High Seas specifically excludes from its application any portion of the sea that is "included in the exclusive economic zone, in the territorial sea or in the internal waters of a State..." This seizure took place within Israel's exclusive economic zone.
21:44 May 31, 2010 by Hagrid
@sebseb, at least for those readers with a functioning brain - the answer is yes.
21:51 May 31, 2010 by sebseb
Hagrid, please, be useful. Go tell your sionist friends to come and hate me on my blog, and tell them to click on the google ads :) http://www.tslskonsult.com/ Like that I will tell u I am sorry and stop saying you're useless
22:00 May 31, 2010 by glamshek
It is a big shame for Israel. Let us say even if it was carrying weapons, Is this the way a state should react?

May God annihilate this big Butcher !
22:01 May 31, 2010 by J Jack
The boarding party had paint ball rifles (the big ones used for demonstration control) and loaded IDF pistols, period. No uzis or grenades. Sorry to disappoint the sensation seeking hooligan heroists among you
22:01 May 31, 2010 by enlightened

No one with a functioning brain would defend armed commandos dropped from a helicopter onto an aid ship and killing of peace activists. Wait... I forgot they had bats, sticks and knifes... a good reason to be shot at by machine guns in cold blood.
22:14 May 31, 2010 by Peace_Activist
what we are witnessing is a new ruling state in the world:


You have to understand that a fake messiah will emerge in Jerusalam to declare himself to be the messiah for in fact he will be fact messiah. Remember jews rejected Jesus as the true messiah, so they have been waiting for centuries and now it is getting close for their messiah to emerge to rule the world from Jerusalam. For him to emerge and rule the state of Israel must rule the world so that this fake personality to emerge to declare 'I am the messiah' he will be fake messiah. Once this achieved get ready for the true messiah Jesus to return to earth to destroy him.
22:16 May 31, 2010 by swiss2
peaceful activists?

see movie on


you better read swiss newspapers....

stop islamic fascism
22:21 May 31, 2010 by Recon
Why should Israel give Sweden any explanation?

If anyone should be giving an explanation it's Sweden on why they supported the Nazi's during WWII.

Sweden, you deny your history!
22:30 May 31, 2010 by Hagrid

Methinks I've already destroyed all of your arguments earlier in this discussion, quite easily I must add, and established that with your extremist opinions and absurd reasoning, debating with you would be a waste of time. As I said, I'll spend my time only for those with a functioning brain left in them.
22:52 May 31, 2010 by Michael84
And We're preparing to attack Iran to make Israel feel secure: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1992926,00.html
23:24 May 31, 2010 by Hagrid
San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994, paragraph 67: "Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they: (a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture."

All of these conditions were very clearly met in this case. Well, so much for the "Piracy in International Waters" theory. Sorry to confuse people here with facts again. ;-)
23:24 May 31, 2010 by burlison
Ok, so now Israel is evil. You Swedes sure are showing your true colors.

a) I guess that whole Raoul Wallenberg cover story that's been Sweden's best PR defense against the real post-WW2 accounting for your lucrative steel business with the Wehrmacht, your arms sales, your screwing over neighboring countries, etc. is just that - a story. An old one that's no longer needed to cover for that fact that you made a great trading partner and built a lot of your post-war prosperity on the relationship with the customer that destroyed European Jewry.

b) your haute bourgeois fashionably left leisure intellectuals, beneficiaries of that prosperity, are now pointing fingers at Isreal - no problem, right? Hardly any Jews to speak out about it or see face to face, so, no problem, right?

c) you're one Mohammed cartoon away from offending your new constituency - hey, they vote, right? Ask the Major of Malmo where he'd place his bets....
23:58 May 31, 2010 by AbbaLeo
In my opinion, Israeli drama went wrong, i think Israel was planning to make something similar to 9/11, but good work done by Turkish Live Broadcasting Media.
00:16 June 1, 2010 by SilentLogic
20 killed and 50 injured sor far!!
00:38 June 1, 2010 by Beavis
On the face of it it looks like Isreal have commited a terrible crime, but then you have to look deeper than the headline. These people who very stupidly assisting an islamic so-called charity (yeah right!) have been truly duped and set up.
00:40 June 1, 2010 by Peace_Activist
To Swiss2,

Listen to this :


Dont get back to me until you listen to it
02:36 June 1, 2010 by rumcajs
@ peropaco,

Tipico, el latino que le joder a otro igual que lo han jodido a el. Gracias por recordarme por que me fui de mi pais lleno de idiotas como tu. You have to be either a MF or patologicaly stupid.
03:35 June 1, 2010 by peropaco
Hijo de angustia y reverenda concha de la gran puta. Porque rscribo en castellano pedaso de sorete mal olido? Te fuiestes de tu pais de mierda por ser pobre y analfabeta. Dejame de hoder y anda mama una Porronga dormida. Chau
04:25 June 1, 2010 by wenddiver
You want a clarification? Supporting terrorism is dangerous. Hope your Leftist's are still alive. Israel being a democracy will release them if they are, back to the country they are supposed to be in.
04:38 June 1, 2010 by Typical Whitey
Recon - great points.

I have always tried to believe that Sweden was not anti-semite, after the courageous acts in WW2 to save Jews. But the cesspool of comments posted here confirms that Sweden is indeed a lapdog of liberal insanity believing that "palestinians" are innocent, peace loving displaced peoples - that islam is a religion of "peace", ad infinitum...

Sweden is full of whining, pathetic, gutless, wimps. Your viking ancestors would be ashamed of you.

He who curses Israel is cursed and he who blesses Israel is blessed.
05:15 June 1, 2010 by amheller
This is how Palestinian fight…??

10 people jump with knifes on an unarmed Israeli soldier..

If it was in US i am sure the navy will kill much more

I appreciate the Israeli army who send soldiers to peace but found animals
05:33 June 1, 2010 by burlison
Thanks, @typical and @recon. When it comes to the whole justice/human rights b.s. that comes out of Sweden, it's just a cover for a nation that enjoyed peace by having its borders protected by other countries, and making money off of the wars fought. I guess anyone who doesn't have to fight, or who can buy their way out of them can be pacifist.

I've met Swedes who, completely sober, look me in the eye and say "we take refugees because we are nice people." The self-deception in Sweden is amazing.
05:57 June 1, 2010 by Tutu
if one mistakenly enter iranain waters without permission, that person will be tried for espionage. However this is a case of delibrately trying to peacefully enter another country's water without permission despite repeated warnings. To make the matter worse the peace activicts resulted to peaceful violence when accosted by IDF. I agree that the IDF overreacted but the question is if it the same thing happened in Turkey, what would Turkey have done. Food for thought.
06:27 June 1, 2010 by jnightingale
Although the world is condemning Israel's naval blockade of Gaza, no one seems to be focusing on the fact that Egypt has also tighten the transport of humanitarian aid and contraband of goods from Egypt into Gaza. Neither Egypt or Israel want Gaza to have uninterrupted flow of weapons and rockets to be used against her them. Not long ago, when MP Galloway lead his famous Viva Palestine brigade across North Africa and entered Egypt he was refused access to Gaza and was physically hurt in an altercation with Egyptian authorities. Egypt and Israel are not interested in allowing a terrorist state to blossom on the Gaza Strip. The democratically elected Hamas government has to recognize that Gaza will not be able to live as a normal country until it resigns firing rockets into Israel and stops advocating the destruction of Israel. If Hamas wants war with Israel at the expense of the well-being of the local Palestinian population, they should be made accountable to the donor countries that support this failed welfare state. Sadly enough, this episode will prevent weapons to be imported into Gaza.

I would also like to point out that 47 years ago, President Kennedy, imposed a naval blockade on Cuba as a result of the introduction of Soviet missile on Cuban soil. Kennedy at time informed the world community that such missiles constituted an existential threat to the USA and therefore America would act forcefully to prevent additional missiles from being introduced into the island. Krushev assessed the situation at that time and recognized that certain red lines could not be crossed without major military and political repercussions. Unfortunately, Israel recognizes very well that having open access to shipping in Gaza will mean more deadly and frequent rocket attacks on her civilian population. Sadly enough the world does not seem to care too much about such facts and instead wants to fool itself that Gaza is a peaceful loving country oppressed by Israel.

Jed Nightingale

06:28 June 1, 2010 by saab
To 94 who states; "Jews rule the world by proxy. No matter what the Jews do they are considered right. Like it or not Jews have conquered this world. They can do what they like, nobody cares especially Uncle Sam", I offer my thanks, since now I do not have to read the Protocols again.

So, where was the outrage when the bombs were going off in buses in Jerusalem? Huh? I CANT HEAR YOU! Where were you when missiles were flying into Ashdod and Sderot? Huh? I CANT HEAR YOU! How about the time, why about two days ago, when Muslim terrorists killed a lot of people...Muslims!... this week in Lahore Pakistan? Or earlier this year in Iraqi mosques? Huh? I CANT HEAR YOU! Do you REALLY want to engage now in a discussion of the Turks and their treatment of the Kurds? What, I CANT HEAR YOU!

The posts here make me understand (as if I needed further proof) why Jews were slaughtered in the Inquisition, the Shoah etc etc. Some of you would probably functioned quite well at Auschwitz.

Anyway, I am sure all other countries in the world would have allowed ships into their territorial waters with unknown cargo, tons of protestors etc. Yeah, sure.

Hagrid and J Jack, keep the faith.
06:41 June 1, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
Holocaust is a fabricated story just created in the literature. But current atrocities of Israel on innocents lives may lead them towards real holocaust.
07:27 June 1, 2010 by flintis
@ ali_bin-umar.

You ignorant moron, if the holocaust was fabricated then the koran is a childrens pocket book.
08:37 June 1, 2010 by laura ka baal

then what is your bible ,used toilet tissue paper,with no meaning,hey this flintis stinks,he needs a cow dum shower.
09:15 June 1, 2010 by peropaco
@ali-bin..And your dwarft prophet the little pig head pedophile muhamad as the testicle of a chiclan and he lives amongst the animals in his own hell whilst molesting little boys
09:19 June 1, 2010 by Kronaboy

Your holocaust has fu#k all to do with us, you got a chip on your shoulder about the holocaust take it up with Angela Merkel and her European chums, and stop using it as an excuse to justify the murder of my innocent brothers and sisters.


What dose the Mubarak regime have to do with the Egyptian people, the animal can't even show his face in front of his own people because he is detested so much.

I have also noted Saudi Arabia has still to condemn the illegal boarding of sovereign Turkish Territory and Jordan only issued a condemnation after protests by Palestinians in the Streets of Amman; but then again it's typical of the Hashemite dictatorships (who are of Jewish Decent).
09:32 June 1, 2010 by w_t_f
Jewish people like Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pape, and Gerald Kaufmann are prominent examples of honesty and humanitarianism as well as models of fair political practice......
09:34 June 1, 2010 by Nemesis
That was not an aid convoy.

It was a convoy to carry out a political act with no concern genuinely given to the starving people of Gaza.

I see the 'spontaneous' protests which were organised over the last few weeks, went ahead in Sweden.

The protestors want aid delivered without going through customs so that weapons can be delivered so that tensions can be hightened.

The people of Gaza need aid. Aid should be organised, sent through customs, checked for counterband and then distributed without Hamas involvement. Hamas sells all aid that arrives in Gaza and that needs to be dealt with.

As for the idiots on that convoy. As part of a trial, they should be screened by psychiatrists to find out just how nuts they are and the information publicly released.

After this incident, getting aid to Gaza will be next to impossible. That is exactly what the extremists want so as to encourage more extremism.

The Israeli's walked into that public relations trap, that the protesters set for them.

Also a lot of attention needs to be directed towards the Egyptians who refuse to allow aid through there border. Anyone protesting against Israel without protesting against Egypt is an hiding there bigotry behind protest.
09:42 June 1, 2010 by Flying Scotsman
@ J Jack

No comment looks like you have done your homework! Good job!
10:29 June 1, 2010 by J Jack
@ FS to avoid paranoia of banging into cargo ships or drifting over invisible borders, one needs to have an idea of the demarcation lines and exclusion zones in that part of the world. However, I wasn't aware that it was 68 miles until reading various postings here. When I trained at Sea School in Fort Liquordale, I was told it was 62 ...
10:51 June 1, 2010 by flintis
@ laura_ka_baal

Don't have a bible I'm atheist, you can shove all religion up your jacksy. Although must admit the religious books should be on the shelves with all the other fiction.


If you're that concerned about what's happening to your "brothers & sisters" why have you deserted them??
12:29 June 1, 2010 by Matan
@ Kevin Harris

Bullshit, I can assure you that the Israelis used their guns as last resort, they were about to get lynched, as the first one left the rope he was ambushed by 30 men, in the beginning they were only holding paintball guns, they pulled their pistols out in the end, because that was the only way to keep themselves alive.

The Israelis are not pirates, the ship was headed to Gaza which is under military lock down, whether you like it or don't. In the convoy there were a few more ships, but on the other ships no resistance was encountered from the occupants.

And at last: Gaza's real problem is Hamas and not Israel. I'll give you an example, just 2-3 weeks ago, there was kind of a Hip Hop show in Gaza, arranged by the U.N or something, in the middle of the show, Hamas came up and interrupted it. Why? Because it's against the Islamic laws according to them. Without Hamas, Gaza would have been in much better status (Not that now they miss humanitarian equipment, food or anything like that, they don't).
12:41 June 1, 2010 by Jes
9 got killed and the whole western world demonstrated . Thousands of black Africans have been killied by Arabs in Sudan , but you hardly see any one demonstrating on the streets of Sweden .

Can somebody tell me why ?
15:03 June 1, 2010 by peropaco
@ Jes,.,.I can try to tell you why???-..It's because Sweden has more than 500K Arabs and Muslims living in this land and they are afraid to speak about the barbarism committed everyday by radical islamis in sudan, Pakistan etc.. They need to pick sides and we see with whom they are siding.. For fear of course.. Ask you self how come you don't see them complaining and marching for the two year sentence giving to the 23 year old Lebanese that murdered the 76 year old Swedish woman???
16:35 June 1, 2010 by Truth Lover
One day Israel have to pay what they have sown.
17:01 June 1, 2010 by Kronaboy

To fu#k your women and ponce off your state, does it annoy you, does it get on your tits, I really hope so.....
18:26 June 1, 2010 by potato man
Irish humanitarian ship, the MV Rachel Corrie, is still heading straight for Gaza with its cargo of aid having been delayed for two days in Malta.

Don't mess with the Irish my little yiddish friends.
18:43 June 1, 2010 by flintis
@ kronaboy

Which state & women would that be?

If you don't know the difference, it's the women tha have tits & you're mother had a big one in you!!
19:00 June 1, 2010 by Telugunew
first hand account of US activist.


they smashed my head.
21:07 June 1, 2010 by missla

In my point of view and as far as I have studied the matter, there are several explanations for this, Jes:

1 - Firstly because it is widely covered conflict by the media whereas African genocides are most of the times ignored or don't receive 10% of the attention it should

2 - This is a consequence of the bonds - mainly economic and political - between the western world and the region, mainly with Israel.

3- The western world played a crucial role in the "creation" the State of Israel. They did so for serveral reasons: economic, of course, and also political, as if to redeem themselves from the Jewish Holocaust

However, I don't think one conflict is more important than the other at all. I think all the conflicts should receive the same type of attention. What happens in Palestine is as awful as what happens in Sudan and so forth...
01:54 June 2, 2010 by Beavis
MV Rachel Corrie is full of provos sactioned by mr adams himself, I hope they just sink that one
08:18 June 2, 2010 by roywsamon
....s.c.commentars here probably not changing nothing. but some persons should remember the real facts. only fashism is s.c.israel, never been country or gouvernment eather. israel been killing UN workers fr. 40,s. theys so called gouvernment got hundred of millions dollars fr. u.s.a. from jewish mab killer kartels, with that money they made a israel. until criminal u.s.a. is supporting an other same kind of criminals, please do not speak no more about peace. u.s.a. is creating each day in all World military conflicts, to make a big dollar for criminals, also they take of course underground resources fr.those countrys they occupate. what a stupi person hillary clinton one day speak out and warning israel, an other day she with u.s.a. gives money to occupants israel fashists. people in u.s.a. gouvernment is a great pretenders like a janus with two faces. u.s.a. is yesterday, they are very stupid people, they do not have heart inside, just lies left. that means probably people n u.s.a. is sleeping in theys empty fantasy dreams. no one takes u.s.a. seriously today, yesterday or tomorrow. please stop your lies. p.s. if you are uneducated person, or if you do not know facts fr.history, or you are real fashist, then there is no need to have commentar to other people who says just truth. with important values you do not have gray line, just black or white. God help Palestin Petra Jordan Hebron ****
09:24 June 2, 2010 by Kronaboy

read a book by Norman Finkelstein, it basically explains the truth of the situation which is that the sate of Israel wasn't created by Holocaust survivors it was created by European and USA Jews, and the closest they ever came to a consecration camp was the odd Cezanne hanging on commandants wall. The truth of the matter is the main victims of the of the Holocaust were Eastern Jews (who had a different language culture etc...) who were to all effects and purposes wiped off the face of the world. What these European Jews have done is to use their misery as huge cash cow to morally and financially finance the oppression of the Palestinian people, which started while Hitler was still cursing in his hospital bed in 1918.


I think its interesting that USA military is now openly stating that their support of the Israeli state is costing the lives of American soldiers and increasingly politicians on both sides of the Atlantic are talking of Israel as a burden rather than an asset. Do I think this will moderate Israeli public opinion, no for two reasons:

1: The ultra religious Jews have the highest birthrate in the country, and as you now they are hell bent on building their 3rd and 4th Temple.

2: The massive influx of right wing racist Jews from Russia.

Judging from the way that Israeli politics has moved further right I see future conflict as more not less likely, it's just a matter of whether it will turn Nuclear.
09:48 June 2, 2010 by Kronaboy
@potato man

I have to admit as a born and bred UK paki, I have only found 3 peoples in Northern Europe I can stomach, 1, Swedes 2, Norwegians 3, The Irish (Republicans not the Presbyterian Fascist in the occupied counties), so go on you bastards last one to Gaza is an English man.
14:09 June 3, 2010 by Kronaboy
The first reports from the news reporters on board the Turkish Ship are coming in, it transpires the first person to be shot was a Turk attempting to fend off (with water from a water hose) IDF forces boarding by boat, he was shot in the arm. The first Turk to be shot dead, was shot directly on top of his skull, apparently IDF forces pointed their weapons from port holes in the helicopter and randomly sprayed the deck. So contrary to IDF claims, the actual shooting started before the first solider illegally landed on Turkish soil. Apparently one of the Turks who was throwing tomatoes at IDF was first shot and then while lying helpless on the deck was murdered with a shot to the head. I also understand 3 of dead died on board 3 hours after they were shot despite demands by the Captain they be medevaced. It transpires a member of the Knesset, who was on board during the armed invasion of Sovereign Turkish territory, also requested in their native language the 3 wounded Turkish Civilians (who were left to die of their wounds) be given medical assistance.
17:11 June 4, 2010 by telrod
Sig Heil Zionist cowards!
17:52 June 4, 2010 by Miguel526
This story followed by the vast ignorance in much of the commentary makes me sick and cements the impression that Sweden is a land of the weak, the weak who have totally lost their connection with the sacrifices of their brave and strong ancestors.

As far as I'm concerned Israel had every right to destroy that ship and everyone on it. I wonder if the hypocrites who so self righteously whine in these comments would feel the same about trying this little stunt with China, or Turkey, or Russia, or Sudan, or their cultural hero, Castro's Cuba (where the once 2nd most prosperous land in Latin America has been reduced to beggar status)?

Maybe Sweden will have to face this when the fools in Sweden have allowed the Moslem immigrants to feel that Sweden must be overthrown according to Allah's pronouncements.

Not one fake 'Palistinian' deserves any so-called 'right of return'. In 1948 their grandparents left Israel at the word of Hitlers friend, the head honcho of the local Moslem hierchy, so that their 'victorious Arab Armies could kill everyone in sight w/o killing Moslems. Then they could 'return' afterward and rape any Jewish women they could find and rob and kill Jewish survivors for their land and money to take for themselves.

Sweden's leftist foolishness has made them blind to the brute reality of dealing with these Moslem monsters. My brother on business in Saudi Arabia had to accompany his Saudi hosts to the soccer stadium on the weekend to see mostly women get the heads chopped off. This was considered entertainment. Maybe the Swedes who think they are so 'modern' would like to more clearly understand that the Moslems murder many women in their much vaunted 'honor killings' and they murder their gay citizens with abandon.

But as long as the mainstream media hide this brute reality the Swedes look more like the babes-in-the-woods that overseas observers seem to think they are. Just like previous to WWII the peacenik types weakened the West while screaming bloody murder while Hitler and Stalin armed themselves to the teeth. Then once the inevitable World War broke out, actual adults had to take over and fight and die for the weaklings who were so afraid, the weaklings who started WWII in the first place.

I separate the brain dead Islamofacist-authored commentary from that of the much more civilized Swedish-authored commentary.
19:51 June 4, 2010 by Kronaboy


I have heard a number of people mention they wish to boycott unethical companies, may I suggest Com-Hem which is now unfortunately a part of the Carlyle group.

Peace to every one and I hope you all remember to have a wonderful weekend with your children:

20:19 June 4, 2010 by tadchem
Blockade runners should expect to be approached by combat-ready blockaders. Something I learned growing up California during the Civil Rights Riots of the 60's - never antagonize a man who has a gun.

Five of the six 'aid convoy' ships didn't attack the Israelis, and left unharmed. The one ship that did attack the Israelis got stomped. Go figure.
22:39 June 4, 2010 by Alasdair MacCorquodale
I agree with the widespread opinion that the voyage of the ''aid'' ships was a contrived affair by the Palestinians. Designed to wrongfoot the Israelis.

Israel has been at war with the Hamas organisation for years. Israel must always defend her security. She cannot afford any margin of error.

After all it is the declared aim of the muslims to ''drive Israel into the sea''.
02:35 June 5, 2010 by wenddiver
Did any of these actavists try smashing through the wall into East Germany when it was up?????

Any protest in Cambodia when the Communits had their "killing fields " going??

What about the Poor people of Cuba??? Anybody want to bring them food without going through Castro's customs???

Any of these Provos and Communist sympathizers want to try running the Iranian Revolutionary Guard????

Thought so.
10:32 June 5, 2010 by Kronaboy
And if somebody hadn't stood up to those White Men With Guns in the 1960's would you be where you are now?

11:54 June 5, 2010 by Kronaboy


Reports have just arrived MV Rachel Corrie has been illegally boarded by IDF fascists, may I invite all my brothers and sisters to recite a short prayer for our Martyred Sister Rachel Corrie and the 111 children poisoned while gold mining in Nigeria.

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