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Swedes in Israeli custody after aid convoy attack

AFP/The Local · 1 Jun 2010, 11:41

Published: 01 Jun 2010 08:00 GMT+02:00
Updated: 01 Jun 2010 11:41 GMT+02:00

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The whereabouts of all Swedes involved in the flotilla have been established including Edda Manga and her husband Mattias Gardell, who were on the Turkish vessel Mavi Marmara where at least ten people are reported to have died.

Four of the eleven Swedes are reportedly on their way home to Sweden on Tuesday after having agreed to sign deportation orders, among them Mankell and Green Party MP Mehmet Kaplan. Six have been imprisoned after declining to sign, while one remained undecided, the foreign ministry has confirmed.

Ministry spokesperson Anders Jörle told AFP earlier on Tuesday that Mankell had been detained and added that not all the Swedes were being held at the same place, with some imprisoned and others simply taken into custody.

Some of the Swedes had been very slightly injured, Jörle said.

The 679 activists which survived the voyage and were taken to the Israeli port of Ashdod have reportedly been given the choice between accepting to be deported or to be tried in an Israeli court.

Only around 50 activists are reported to have accepted the voluntary deportation, while while a further 30 are being treated in hospital for their injuries.

What charges the activists will face remained unclear on Tuesday.

Earlier Monday evening, the foreign ministry countered a rumour set in motion at an anti-Israel demonstration in Oslo that Mankell had been shot in the attack, which left at least nine pro-Palestinian activists dead.

The 62-year-old author of the Wallander detective series joined the flotilla from Cyprus by way of smaller boats "after almost 48 hours of playing hide-and-seek with Cypriot police," Ship to Gaza Sweden said in a statement.

Mankell, whose books about world-weary detective Kurt Wallander have sold more than 25 million copies worldwide and have been adapted to film and television, said he was taking part in the flotilla to show his solidarity towards the Palestinian people.

"I think that when one talks about solidarity, one must always know that actions are what proves destiny," he told Swedish public radio last Thursday.

"It is with actions that we prove we are ready to support something we believe is important," he said.

In addition to Mankell, Ship to Gaza Sweden said nine Swedes were in the flotilla when it was attacked, including controversial Swedish-Israeli artist Dror Feiler, parliamentarian Mehmet Kaplan, and several doctors and academics.

The ships, carrying more than 700 passengers, were on a mission to deliver some 10,000 tonnes of supplies to Gaza, which has been under a crippling Israeli blockade since 2007.

"Firstly we wish to contribute with necessities such as medicines and materials for reconstruction, secondly to raise political interest in the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza, and thirdly to show the people in Gaza that they are not alone," said Mikael Löfgren at Ship to Gaza-Sweden to The Local last Thursday.

Israel had warned the attempt to break the blockade was illegal and that it would intercept the ships. Israeli commandos boarded the six vessels in the early hours of Monday morning killing at least ten activists and injuring dozens more.

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Worldwide condemnation of Israeli actions continued on Tuesday with the UN Security Council calling on the country to release all of the 480 detained activists.

Thousands of people came out across Scandinavia on Monday to demonstrate against Israel's storming of the aid flotilla.

Around 6,000 protesters crowding the central Sergelstorg, according to a police estimate, waving Palestinian flags and shouting "Boycott Israel!" and "Israel to The Hague!", and waving banners saying "There will be more ships to Gaza." The scenes were repeated in Gothenburg and Malmö.

The Freedom Flotilla or Ship to Gaza movement remained undeterred in their mission meanwhile with news that a further two ships were on their way to Gaza carrying aid supplies. The ships are expected to arrive on Wednesday and Israel has said that it will intercept the vessels.

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08:28 June 1, 2010 by Rey Stockholm
These people had no business being, they went looking for a confrontation and the ones who attacked the soldiers duly got it.

Both Egypt adn Israel offered to let the aid pass through customs, not unreasonable given the history of rocket attacks.

I hope Israel charges them all for the air fare home.
08:35 June 1, 2010 by Luckystrike
Ignorance is bliss hey Rey!?
09:02 June 1, 2010 by pintoflex
Well spoke Rey.

This was a well planned provocation by Hamas and Turkey that unfortunately Israel stepped right into. Everybody could foresee what was going to happen and the organizers of the shipment could have just avoided the bloodshed. Israel must investigate any shipment going into Gaza since in the past there were missiles and weapon smuggling attempts by "humanitarian organisations.

The lost of lives is horrible, but yet again, the organizers can only blame themselves.

I also feel that there was a cynical misuse of the good intentions of many of those who joined the cruise. The few swedes on board were obviously trying to do good. Too bad they have jumped on the wrong ship that had an rather different agenda than just supply aid.

Mr. Mankell should stick to writing mediocre deckare novels or research his humanitarian voyages a little better and not fall into the hands of extremists and their interests. I bet he is going to come back home as a hero, go on every news program and scream murder. Maybe he's even going to write a book about it.

All this ship and this crew had to do was board on the Ashdod port and have the ship inspected. There are over 15 tons of aid delivered after inspection each week to Gaza.

It's horrible that people had to die when it was so simple to avoid it. You wanted a provocation - this is how it ends. Sad for Palestinians, sad for Israelis and sad for those that thought they were just there to help out.
09:15 June 1, 2010 by judoflares
Its a great shame that politics and logistics have cost lives again. Sanctions placed on countries only lead to great sadness of the average person, such as in Iraq before the attack. It is our duty as humans to help eachother. sadly the people that rule this world do so under a flag of aggression, intimidation and terror. When people are treated with violence the natural reaction is violence. Free Iraq and Gaza from outside forces and begin to help the people of these lands live in peace, without forcing ideas and violence upon them for the sake of multinational profit. Those that defend these actions are blinded by their own freedom
09:16 June 1, 2010 by Andy from NYC
Ignorance is bliss.

And therefore Sweden is bliss...

Let's all hold hands, let murderers out of jail after 6 or 8 years, negotiate with terrorists, heck why not let them become wards of the state.......

Good intentions? Perhaps. Enlightened? Hardly!
09:22 June 1, 2010 by blursd
Agreed Ray ...

The fact many of the organizers of the "humanitarian" flotilla are rather well known anti-semites, and the aid itself was assembled by a wing of the Muslim Brotherhood ... a paramilitary organization that is ideologically and politically allinged with Syria, and that gives weapons to Hamas to use against Israel ... waves red flags when it comes to the "altruistic" goals of simply providing aid to the Gaza Strip. Lets not forget the only reason there is an internationally recognized blockade is because Hamas instigated a political coup against Fatah, and dragged party members and Gaza civilians out into the street and shot them in the head. These are the type of people who control the Gaza Strip ... and the main reason there is a humanitarian crisis is because they continually fire explosive rockets into Israeli civilian communities. Israel, in fact, supplies more aid to Gaza than Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria combined ... part of the reason there is such a problem in Gaza is because Hamas actually takes international aid supplies then sells them on the black market to buy more weapons, instead of giving the supplies to their own citizens whom are suffering. Yet the Israelis are clearly to blame for all that ... don't paint Hamas as innocent victims ... they do much worse than Israel in many cases, but somehow their actions are eschewed or excused.

Israel and Egypt both offered the humanitarian flotilla several options for delivering their aid to Gaza ... they refused all of them. That type of intransigence is what caused the problem in the first place ... they were asking for trouble. They told Israel they were coming, and Israel told them they would stop them. International law regarding naval blockades does not require a ship to actually be within national waters to be searched ... it only requires probable cause they intend to enter a blockade zone. The flotilla was stop 70 nautical miles from Gaza ... within an hour they would have been at the Israeli coast, so it wasn't hard to determine their intentions, regardless of the fact they told Israel they were intending to break the blockade. International law also allows said country to perform inspections of any materials on the ships to determine if there is a violation of the blockade's terms (such as weapons). Futhermore, if said country gives a legal request and the vessal refuses to comply international law says that country would be justified in sinking the boat.

This is all beyond the fact Israel actually video taped the entire event, and it rather clearly shows Israeli commandos rapelling onto the ship from a helicopter with pepper ball guns (a non-lethal weapon), and were summarily attacked with metal bars, knives, and what appeared to be a chair.
09:32 June 1, 2010 by Nemesis
That was not an aid convoy.

It was a convoy to carry out a political act with no concern genuinely given to the starving people of Gaza.

I see the 'spontaneous' protests which were organised over the last few weeks, went ahead in Sweden.

The protestors want aid delivered without going through customs so that weapons can be delivered so that tensions can be hightened.

The people of Gaza need aid. Aid should be organised, sent through customs, checked for counterband and then distributed without Hamas involvement. Hamas sells all aid that arrives in Gaza and that needs to be dealt with.

As for the idiots on that convoy. As part of a trial, they should be screened by psychiatrists to find out just how nuts they are and the information publicly released.

After this incident, getting aid to Gaza will be next to impossible. That is exactly what the extremists want so as to encourage more extremism.

The Israeli's walked into that public relations trap, that the protesters set for them.
10:20 June 1, 2010 by Redbee
Most comments seem to miss many of the real issues concerning the ordinary people of Gaza. Israel has taken their land and water leaving them refugees and Israel is financed by the US which rarely criticizes their store of weapons of mass destruction and their tratment of the people of Gaza .They are a right wing zionist state and some of their own people disagree how the palestinian people are treated by the Israely state. No matter how you look at it Israel has been condemed by many nations for this act of agression .
10:24 June 1, 2010 by hpunlimited
Regardless if they were looking for confrontation or not, only dictators and criminals attack civilian aid convoys.

The similarities to a certain WWII state is stunning. You'd think that the Jewish people would know better than to place minorities in ghettos and starve them.

Just rememeber..every dictator in the world calls freedom fighters for terrorists. George Washington was a terrorist according to King George.
10:31 June 1, 2010 by mysticbumwipe
"A Swedish ship delivering aid to Ethiopia was attacked in international waters by Somali pirates.

The Somali pirates stormed the ship gunning down many of the aid workers killing ten to nineteen and wounding many more. A Somali spokesmen said the Somalians were defending themselves against pre-meditated Swedish violence from sticks, bars and knives.

They say that the Somalian fighters have towed the Swedish ship into a Somali port and will deliver the aid to Ethiopia themselves after sorting what is allowed and what isn't.

The Swedes on board the ship have been taken illegally from International waters by the Somalian pirates to Somalia and will only be allowed to leave after signing a document confirming that they entered illegally and accept being deported.

William Hague the Foreign Minister for UK has expressed 'concern', and the US president Barak Obama says he 'regrets' the loss of life."

Can anyone else see what is wrong with this picture?

Why is it that just one state in the world is allowed by us to act barbarically with total impunity?
10:36 June 1, 2010 by christo
deport or try all those who were on the boat. due to the fact that they knew what they were going into and they continued- israel gave them options and the aid can pass thru customs and they refused. so what do u expect. they want to start using that to smuggle weapons to hamas. it is not accepted. let them follow the right way , customs and checks if they dont wnat. they i tercept and arrest those involved. and on the baot i saw it they resisted the commandos and what do u expect they will do? they have to defend themselves too.
10:50 June 1, 2010 by Sherian Elizabeth
Isreal is just so full of itself. Isreal is a country, thinks it can do no wrong in it's eyes and the rest of world. They bring their own problems on themselves because of their egos and attutide. I am just so sick of those people who think they are better then anyone else. They aren't the only ones who in life have been hunt down like animals. read your history Isreal, there is more to this world then you.
10:57 June 1, 2010 by Luckystrike

Your entire comment s flawed because the blockade by israel is illegal and against international law. This is common knowledge..

The fact is, is that israel illegally boarded those ships as pirates, the commanders had zero right to be on those vessels and "defend against" aka murder, any of the people onboard. it is as simple as this.

israel must be taken to Hague to face war crime, abduction and murder charges and block all financial support from the US (israels only real ally)
10:59 June 1, 2010 by stenhuggaren
the ships were carrying 10,000 tonnes of aid. Israel lets through 15,000 per week - 25% of that required according to the UN.

Clearly this load won't change the daily lives of Gazans even if it would make a contribution.

Ship to Gaza has made no secret of the fact that there are three goals, one of which being political - to increase pressure on Israel to lift the 3-year blockade.

The third goal is show solidarity to the Gazans who are being forced to live in the world's largest open air prison.

These goals are not contradictory, they are complimentary and are clearly not "ulterior".

It is regrettable that a handful of the activists seemed to have ignored the non-violent aims of the mission, but that does nothing to detract from the excessive force used by the IDF. They did not even have to board the vessels in order to divert them to Ashdod.
11:01 June 1, 2010 by Hagrid
The blockade on Gaza, while unfortunate, is there for a good reason - being that Hamas (who vowed never to recognize Israel and fight it until it's destroyed) constantly attempting to smuggle weapons and rockets in order to terrorize Israeli citizens (anyone heard of the Karine-A?)

Now let's turn to San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994, paragraph 67: "Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they: (a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture."

All of these conditions were very clearly met in this case. Well, so much for the detached and erroneous "Piracy in International Waters" theory (as espoused by mysticbumwipe in @10 for example). Sorry to confuse some people here with facts... .
11:04 June 1, 2010 by mysticbumwipe
The embargo and blockade of Gaza is illegal.

Article 33 of the Geneva Convention clearly states

that collective punishment is a crime against humanity.

UNSCR (UN Security Council Resolution) 1860 calls for the need to lift the restrictions on access to Gaza.

The hardships of Israel's closure of Gaza have been well documented by all human rights groups operating, most recently by Amnesty International in their Annual Human Rights Report concluding that the siege has "deepened the ongoing humanitarian crisis. Mass unemployment, extreme poverty, food insecurity and food price rises caused by shortages left four out of five Gazans dependent on humanitarian aid. The scope of the blockade and statements made by Israeli officials about its purpose showed that it was being imposed as a form of collective punishment of Gazans, a flagrant violation of international law."

The United Nations continuously states that only a fraction of the required aid is entering the Gaza Strip due to what it calls "the medieval siege",

John Ging the director of UNRWA in Gaza specifically expressing the need for the Flotilla to enter Gaza.

The European Union's new foreign affairs minister Catherine Ashton has just reiterated its call for "an immediate, sustained and unconditional opening of crossings for the flow of humanitarian aid, commercial goods and persons to and from Gaza".
11:11 June 1, 2010 by stenhuggaren
@Hagrid that only applies in wartime and not in international waters.
11:18 June 1, 2010 by coos126
1: All ships, passengers and cargo where checked at the ports of departure. This is where the speculation about weapons for hamas on board should end.

2: The attack happened on international waters on ships carrying flags of various countries including EU member states (Greece, Sweden). According to international law this is piracy and can be regarded as attack to the countries themselves since the ships carrying the flag of a country are "soil" of that country.

This is just to cover the "legal" aspects of the attack of the israeli army

If we see it from an ethical point of view, i believe you have to be completely inhuman or blind to justify the israeli state's actions...

The funny thing is that the boats were dragged to the port in israel and then the people were asked to sign a paper saying that they entered the country illegaly...LOL
11:24 June 1, 2010 by zircon
Nr 9: Good comment.
11:42 June 1, 2010 by Rick Methven

"Sorry to confuse some people here with facts... . "

Thanks for letting us all into the 'fact' that Israel has declared war on Turkey, Greece and Sweden. I expect my son who is a Swedish army reservist can expect to get his call up papers soon.

You are swallowing the usual Israeli propaganda line that "we always operate within International law" what you and they always miss out is the bit "In accordance with International law as written by Israel"
11:48 June 1, 2010 by vladd777
Definitely a plot to cause confrontation! One reaps what one sows!
11:53 June 1, 2010 by Elton John
Hagrid: Should there be a blockade on Ireland, considering IRA is there?
12:02 June 1, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Herr Mankell is not so important just now. If not feeling exactly hale and hearty he is at least alive and kicking and will soon be doing the guest appearances in the Swedish papers and foaming at the mouth, self-righteously incensed on Swedish on TV.

What worries me right now is the exact whereabouts of Professor Marttias Gardell. My Finnish friend who claims insider information is worried that, " The Turks have probably made some Kebab out of him"

Useful idiots at sea:

12:18 June 1, 2010 by bubbagump
Here are what the innocent people on the 1 boat in the flotilla that had a problem were up to. The other 5 boats had no incident. Apparently someone had a problem with singing Kumbiyah for the 4th time.

12:18 June 1, 2010 by Beavis
Most definatly a setup, Nemises and blursd have it spot on..

Interesting to see there were also members of Sinn Fein IRA on board.. strange coincidence..
12:19 June 1, 2010 by StockholmSam
The legality of the blockade is clearly in dispute. I would like to see a definitive determination of its status. Seems clear to me that Israel and Hamas are in a state of war and therefore a blockade would be legal, albeit morally questionable. Search and seizure of aggressor-nation ships would be allowed, although the Palestinians of Gaza have no ships afaik and the Ships to Gaza convoy did not originate from an aggressor state. But they clearly stated their mission to get supplies to Gaza without going through channels dictated by Israel, which seems a violation. Then again, Israel boarded far in advance of the blockade location, which really complicates matters. This is a huge clusterf*ck, no doubt about it, and Israel is coming out on the losing end. The IDF would have done themselves a huge favor had they waited until the blockade were breached to board the ships.
12:21 June 1, 2010 by Hagrid
stenhuggaren, last time I checked, Israel and Hamas weren't exactly signing twin-city agreements, or exchanging cultural attache's (more like exchanging missiles), so the wartime condition certainly applies here.

Second, this paragraph I quoted does apply in international waters. Quoting paragraphs 146 and 14 of the same law, would solidify this point:

"146. Neutral merchant vessels are subject to capture outside neutral waters if they are engaged in any of the activities referred to in paragraph 67 or if it is determined as a result of visit and search or by other means, that they .... (f) are breaching or attempting to breach a blockade."

"14. Neutral waters consist of the internal waters, territorial sea, and, where applicable, the archipelagic waters, of neutral States."

As you can see in paragraph 14, the term "neutral waters" does NOT mean "international waters", but rather, the territorial waters of neutral countries in the conflict. Therefore, the stipulation "outside neutral waters" appearing in paragraph 146, can certainly include international waters, and therefore the seizure in this case, was in accordance with international law.

Rick, I have just given solid proof that Israel acted within the international law. if you still have reason to believe Israel broke international law, prove it substantively in the same fashion I did, otherwise stop throwing empty slogans, that have no weight. As for "Israel has declared war on Turkey, Greece and Sweden" - why don't you add Bahrain, Pakistan, Malyasia, Macedonia, the US, and all the dozens of other nationalities aboard, while you're at it? Just to highlight the absurdity of this claim...
12:39 June 1, 2010 by christo
whatever u say pple say it but lsrael is lsrael and it iwll continue what it is doing. wethere international community gets involved or not. this has been like this and no one will change what lsrael decides. pple look at mostly concetrate on one side but they dont see what they do to the lsraelites. so this is were they dont cae. and i hear they have send another 2 boats full of aid but again lsrael will intercept them. so go very slowy with lsrael. that nation is of its only , fighting its war which will nont end.
12:43 June 1, 2010 by glamshek

Are you crazy? Now you are suggesting that Israel should declare war on the US, the very hands that feed them and keep them.

I wonder how can you even support Israel on such illogical reasonning. Do you think this is International law what Israel did? These perverte cowards are so much wicked that if they knew that the people on board the flotilla had some weapons, they would never have dropped Marines inside.
12:45 June 1, 2010 by Audrian
The ruling elite in Israel is too divided to have a coherent leadership. Unity in Israeli is forged by the claim of fear of being wiped out, even though it is Israel that has the capability to wipe out any living being from Middle East. The Israeli bravado in the Mediterranean Sea is an attempt to mask the insecurity of instability of Israeli governments (Israeli governments seldom last the full term). I think the world need to save Israel from destroying itself and destroying its neighbors along the way. Boycotting South Africa's export had brought Apartheid South African elite rulers to their sense.

Before she lost to Serena and left, an Israeli tennis player in the French open, said that the world has turned against Israel and that she uses this type of opportunity to speak for her country. The world has not turned against Israel. She did not care to find out Israel has turned against all existing humanitarian laws! The world (excluding US and some of its allies) are trying uphold humaniterian law. The Swedish group are just doing this respectable duties. If the Germans had fulfilled their humaniterian duties so much lives would not have been lost!
12:47 June 1, 2010 by rumcajs
I've always tried to be "polite" in these things, but today., I'm not in the best mood so let's clarify something here pile of dangerously stupid idiots.

1- Israel gave Gaza to palestinians and took away all the Israelies cos they were planing to do this.... choke'em and starve them to death.

2- If a Israli, American, Chinese, Cuban or any other soldier or civilian jumps into my boat in international waters, I
12:56 June 1, 2010 by Debaraja
There are many products in our Supermarkets, bearing the label "Made in Israel". As consumers we have the power to send our message. Just arguing about international laws, international or neutral waters, terrorism, right or wrong, showing our anger in written and provoking the others has little if any effect. Different people act in different ways, yes. Choose your own!
12:58 June 1, 2010 by Jes
Now Henning Mankel knows how it feels to be caged . When he returns to his wonderful Sweden , he should pay a vist to the prisons where immigrants are kept before they can be deported ..

Sweden is more racist country than 3 Israels combined .
12:59 June 1, 2010 by Rick Methven

I mentioned the countries who had ships flying their flag.

You again used the typical Israeli misinformation tack in your new quotes on international war. You again omitted that these rules are applicable in times of WAR.

If you/Israel claim that they acted within the boundaries of International law then they must have declared war on somebody. I must have missed that announcement from Mark Regev
12:59 June 1, 2010 by wenddiver
Wanted uniformed leftist/supporter of Terrorism who doesn't know the rules of the sea. Must be willing to risk life for terrorist organization in attempt to drag other nations into a war.

If you have expertise in confrantational acts and a passport that says something other than Gaza as a home address, maybe you could be an Agent provacateur.

If you believe that you have a right to assault a Naval Boarding party with metal construction rods and injure Sailors during contraband inspection, suggest you try it with a Turkish Navy Ship and see if you don't get shot.

Truth is most nations board Maritime traffic for inspection of cargo, all train thir guns on the searched vessel and most boarding parties carry real firearms not paintball guns.

No where in the world is it legal to assault another person with a metal rod. Blows to the head and neck are considered lethal force.
13:06 June 1, 2010 by calebian22
Yes, buy Israeli fruit and veggies. It is the best!
13:14 June 1, 2010 by Luckystrike
It's very funny that just a few weeks ago, a south Korean warship entered, against advise from the NK government, contested waters between the north and south. The North sink the warship that has been warned not to go there and the whole world screams " Sanctions" "nuke em" "kill all north Koreans" and so on.

Now, a humanitarian aid convoy (lets call them "South Korea") float along 70 nautical miles away from isreali waters, in international waters and the israeli soldiers (lets call them "North Korea") come along and illegally invade these humanitarian aid vessels and kill aid volunteers, abduct everyone and hi-jack the vessels and aid.

The two terrible events are actually basically the same, so why on Earth are all you crazy folks who came and posted here saying Nuke NK, invade them, kill the leaders of NK....how could NK do this....and so on, coming back here and saying "Good for israel", they did the right thing....those volunteers got what they deserved, they were told not to go there....

North Korea must seem like a paradise to those poor suffering Palestinian people locked up like farm animals.....

The world called Nelson Mandela a hero after him and his ANC party bombed, attacked, killed, rallied and much worse to fight apartheid, but we call Hamas a terrorist organization even though all they want is freedom from their oppressor, israel....funny isn't it.
13:27 June 1, 2010 by rumcajs
@ wenddiver

You are walking in the streets of let's say Stockholm ( streets = public space ) and someone come out of their jurisdiction ( jurisdiction for a bouncer is the bar, not the street ) and grabs you very rudely. If I was you I would bet the crap outta him.

And this was not a during contraband inspection. Israel sent special comandos on helicopters. Those are not the ones who do contraband inspections.

At some point I even got to support many of Israel's actions, but from some years ago, they already crossed the line.

They took all their people out of Gaza cos they were planing to to this genocide from that time. They are chocking those people and making them starve and suffer to death like the Nazis did with them. And I hope you wont justify the Hitler too, do you?
13:28 June 1, 2010 by stenhuggaren
@ Hagrid

No, war has not been declared between Israel and Hamas. It has neither been declared with any of the countries whose flags the ships were flying. So the attack was illegal.

The blockade is also illegal, according to UNSC resolution and international HR law. I am not going to do the work for you, all the information is readily available if you want to see it.
13:28 June 1, 2010 by mysticbumwipe
Actually Wendiver, I thought it IS legal in every country in the world AND in ALL international waters to defend yourself against attack from gun wielding invaders.

Check out Article 51 of the UN Charter.

How can you demand the right of Israel to pre-emptive attacks on the grounds of self-defence but deny and abrogate everyone else the right of self-defence? :-o

Well said Rick Methven, (#34)

To Hagrid, You are trying to make out that Israel is fighting Hamas and so therefore this is a "war" situation.

But that is not accurate.

Gaza is not Hamas.

The citizens of Gaza are not Hamas.

The aid volunteers aboard the flotilla were not Hamas.

Collective punishment is a crime and ilegal according to Article 33 of the Geneva Convention.

So... you claim that Hamas is a terrorist group and Israel IS at war with them?

OK. But even if we accept this, int. law is that if you are attacked by a non-state terrorist group that DOES NOT give rise to the right of self-defence under international law

against innocent civilian population non-combatants nor against people trying to assist them with aid.

So either way Israel is behaving illegally.
13:48 June 1, 2010 by xenyasai
I find it interesting that when Israel does something everyone screams for their blood, but when Hamas does something it is just discretely mentioned on the news.
14:03 June 1, 2010 by mysticbumwipe
xenyasai you are in deep denial.

The exact opposite is true.

When Israel does barbaric illegal acts Western leaders offer weak words of 'regret' and call for "BOTH sides to show restraint".

Just look at the disparity between the media coverage of ONE israeli combatant held prisoner (Shalit) and all the thousands of civilian Palestinian women, men and children held captive whose names we do not even know..
14:03 June 1, 2010 by Luckystrike
Xenyasai, that is total and utter bullcrap and you know it!
14:41 June 1, 2010 by Jes
I side with Xenyasa here . I have never seen any demonstration in Sweden when Hamas sends its bloody rockets into Israel .

Also , I think that some of these chaps on the streets are not weeping because they care for the Palestines , but simply because they were brought up to hate jews .

If I were a jew , I am sure I would insit to know what Arabs are moving on the waters arround me. I would shun the law , because terrorist dont operate under no law .
14:51 June 1, 2010 by injusticeworld

Good comment
14:55 June 1, 2010 by peropaco
@ xenyasai, you are right. I can go further and say each time radical Muslims kill other innocent people, you never see the Swedish nor the international condemnation as when Israel defends its sovereignty. Look what the Taliban's are doing in Pakistan, Afghanistan, the Radicals in India, Russia, Thailand etc. Yet, you don't see any Swedes going about marching to end the violence in Pakistan. The reason they don't dare say anything is because the streets in Sweden are so filled with radical Islamist and they would not think twice to place a bomb at SVT or Aftonbladed if they dare to write something which would picture radical Islam as the bad guys...
14:59 June 1, 2010 by Kevin Harris
Forums on the Local on any Israel/Palestine issue are a magnet for boring spammers, usually, but not always, representing Israel. Yesterday one (Cornelius Hamelberg) actually posted a long press release from the Israeli military, word for word. If we wanted to read such propaganda, we would go to websites where we expect to find it. We do not want to read it here. Several repetitive posters here do no more than continuously regurgitate Israeli press releases, as if they have no original ideas or opinions in their heads at all. One or two have a worrying tendency to make the same spelling mistakes. One Hagrid persona is boring enough, but two is intolerable.

Spammers, if you have nothing to add here other than direct quotes from, or paraphrased versions, of Israeli military propaganda, stop cluttering up this forum and go away. We want to discuss these important issues without Israeli press releases punctuating our conversation every ten posts thank you.
15:03 June 1, 2010 by Jayaka
The blockade on Gaza by israel is illegal and this has been confirmed by United Nations. (see UN Security Council Resolution 1860)

Sending armed commandos onto humanitarian aid ships in international waters is illegal according to international laws. Any arguments about what happened after that are redundant.

IHH is a legal NGO and has consultative membership status in the United Nations Economic and Social Council ( search wikipedia for IHH (İnsani Yardım Vakfı) ).

Gaza Freedom flotilla carried world-renowned names and veteran activists Author Henning Mankell and Nobel peace laureate Mairead Corrigan-Maguire among more than 600 passengers, the people in the flotilla were from all over the world (50 different countries for the whole list see freegaza.org webpage). There were even European MP's on board. Israel say that all these peoples were armed terrorists. I say to Israel, we are not stupid.

I call everybody in the world to fight agains to disinformation of Israeli government by spreading word and inform others about the truths. We at least can do this for the lovely memory of those innocent peace activists killed by israeli soldiers in a humanitarian aid ship.

15:04 June 1, 2010 by Telugunew
Looks like even this time Israel will let go free. Big brother did its best to give such a soft response, now question is how obama is different from Bush? Palestinians are foolish to expect any fair arrangement from US. US have clearly shown where loyalties are. Isreal is a terrorist state, and biggest of all.
15:28 June 1, 2010 by saab
Thanks Telugnew, Israel has Arabs serving in the Knesset, on faculty at Hadassah, in their colleges and universities. But if its racist or terrorist or whatever you and your ilk want to call it, what do you call Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Yemen, China, Venezuela, Jordan, Syria, Iran? Israel will have a commission, self examination will proceed, processes will change. But this much will not: the abject hatred of muslim Arabs for all things Jewish, the concept of a Jewish state, and need I add, the success that Israel had turning desert into a productive country. Israel gave Gaza back... and what happened? Bombs. And "democracy" Hamas style. Israel gave much of the West Bank back and what happened? Bombs. And "democracy", Fatah style. Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon and what happened? Bobms. And "democracy" Hizbullah style. Oh right, Israel is a terrorist state. And the Jews own the world. And blah blah blah blah. I guess one good thing has come of this mess. All the left wing nuts, paranoid conspiracy thinkers, so called anti Zionists ("I am not anti Semitic just anti Israel's colonialist policy....blah blah") come out on blogs and have an orgasm. Smoke a cigarette now and go back into the Dark Ages.
15:59 June 1, 2010 by bbeynch
Swedish media, not exactly known for being unbiased in matters involving islamic issues, typically and predictably leaves out half the story. This "freedom flotilla", more aptly named "peace thug flotilla" is funded by a Saudi umbrella organization called 'Union of God', (`Ittilaf al-Kheir` in arabic), which is known to be involved in terrorist financing. If you google all of these names you will find the in formation. Also invoplved The Turkish IHH (Islan Haklary Ve Hurriyetleri Vakfi in Turkish) was founded in 1992, and reportedly popped up on the CIA's radar in 1996 for its radical Islamist leanings. Like many other Islamist charities, the IHH has a record of providing relief to areas where disaster has struck in the Muslim world. Mankell was a willing participant in this thuggery and should not complain. I hope the Israelis forcefully circumsize him while in their custody. Perhaps he can become a good jew. Also, Swedish media would be well advised to use a more balanced approach to the Israeli-palestinian conflict. Let's hear ALL the facts. Not just the palestinian slant.
16:02 June 1, 2010 by Telugunew
@Saab, your entire response and details are half baked and full of half truths. Hamas is democratic elected. or do you have different definition of democracy. Only party which you want in power if elected then it is democracy? else you get in to override democratically elected govt with your own one. Israel Gave back Gaza? Its like you enter somebody house as guest, now you reduce the owners to toilets and control entire house, and you expect that world should recognize your favors as you have open one window of toilet... You don't have anything to give it back, from their truth starts.I do agree with whatever names you have mentioned , they really have poor records(bit disagree on china and upto some extent Iran, nevertheless they do have poor records, if you go by that rule , the list will be much more broader), my point is Israel not only part of that list but on top of the list. Count the number of civilians deaths caused by any country in last 4 decades, and Israel outnumber every one of them, including Zimbabwe.
16:19 June 1, 2010 by Telugunew
@bbeynch the lady who is responsible for entire movement is based in Greece/cyprua, she is on cnn/bbc most of today's morning...Don't start the debate on funding , you are standing on lost ground. The world knows how funding works , and the strongest lobbies on earth.

Now one Brussels based cameraman who is part of the peace activist group and was onboard is been released and he is briefing, watch any english channel you have access to, he is clearly saying that it was morning 4 30, they were asleep, no one protested with army, the army hasn't stopped even after that they claim they are from media..cameraman was subjected to electric shocks..its live on BBC
16:42 June 1, 2010 by bbeynch
@Telugunew: Amazing how quickly you felt a need to respond. But I think you just proved my point by not mentioning "Union of God' and IHH in your reply. So who is this "lady based in Greece/cyprus"? Lady? I stand by my previous comment. Let's hear the whole story, not just the slanted propaganda and half truths from the European left wing media who have gone into full breathless spin cycle, with stupefying ferocity, on this story.
16:44 June 1, 2010 by maometto
I hope thelocal would learn some decent journalism from online news portals like BBC or CNN and start putting background stories or country profiles or timelines to give the ignorant readers of this page some history before they spill all their racist/hateful comments and ignorance in the comments section..
17:06 June 1, 2010 by Kronaboy

What you fail to realise is most of the people writing sh#t on this site are the type of people who were on the hills overlooking Gaza having picnicks with their children cheering with joy every time 155mm shell landed on school full of children.
17:07 June 1, 2010 by Peace_Activist
decent journalism from online news portals like BBC or CNN??

What a joke? what drugs are you on?
17:27 June 1, 2010 by J Jack
Palestinians in the northern Gaza Strip fired two Kassam rockets towards Israel on Tuesday afternoon. The rockets landed in open areas, causing no casualties or damage. Peace activists, I suppose.
17:50 June 1, 2010 by pintoflex
@peace activist.

checked your website - looks like a conspiracy based mumble jumble, flooded with archaic antisemetic headlines like "The Complete Synagogue of Satan" and "zionist jews spreading sin and sickness through America like a wildfire"

look over your shoulder dude and wear your garlic belt - THEY will be coming for your blood in no time!
18:10 June 1, 2010 by ali_bin_umar

They(Israel) will keep on killing and won't stop till the time SOMEONE with the courage will come forward and should "nip the evil (Israel) in the bud" to bring relief to the humanity from suffering.

Israel is like a cancer to the world body. We need to remove the cancer before whole body gets destroyed.
18:35 June 1, 2010 by bbeynch
@ali_bin_umar: It is your uncritical swallowing of the edicts from Hizb al-Ikhwan al-Muslimin - destroy from within - that needs to ripped out like a cancer before it destroys the whole body. Your kind of wahabism serves no civilized person. The peace thug flotilla knew exactly what it was doing, lead by a group of islamist turks, with the intent of creating news coverage of the kind that you are witnessing here. And the whole European, hostile to Israel, media fell right into the islamo-thugs' trap. Shame that journalists are so easily fooled.
18:43 June 1, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

- Menachem Begin - Israeli Prime Minister 1977-1983
18:43 June 1, 2010 by potato man
...and here come the plucky Irish!

Irish humanitarian ship, the MV Rachel Corrie, is still sailing full steam to Gaza having been delayed two days in Malta.

What will the bloody jewish pirates try this time?
18:45 June 1, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
If a Gentile exposes Zionism, they are called "anti-semitic" which is nothing more than a smokescreen to hide the Zionists actions.

But, if a Jew is the person doing the exposing, they resort to other tactics.

First, they ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.

If the information starts reaching too many people, they ridicule the information and the persons giving the information.

If that doesn't work, their next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal they are adept at fabricating scandal against the person or persons.

If none of these are effective, they are known to resort to physical attacks.

But, NEVER do they try to prove the information wrong.

Jack Bernstein, (assassinated by MOSSAD)
18:57 June 1, 2010 by swiss2
wow! ali_bin_umar..... speaks english. very good, for somebody with the brain of a earthworm. ali, get lost in your burrow.
19:12 June 1, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
@ Swiss(comment#66).. ..your words "..brain of a earthworm.." justify comment#63 ".....We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects" ..
19:31 June 1, 2010 by swiss2
yes ali. unfortunately i don't have the time to discuss with you. but every psychiatrist will be happy to investigate your "brain". du bisch nüt aus armseligä abschum
20:12 June 1, 2010 by ali_bin_umar
"The Jews belong to a dark and repulsive force. One knows how numerous this clique is, how they stick together and what power they exercise through their unions. They are a nation of rascals and deceivers."

CICERO (Marcus Tullius Cicero). First century B.C. Roman stateman

"The Jews were destroying both Greeks and Romans. They ate the flesh of their victims, made belts for themselves out of their entrails, and daubed themselves with their blood... In all, 220,000 men perished in Cyrene and 240,000 in Cyprus, and for this reason no Jew may set foot in Cyprus today."

DIO CASSIUS. Second century Roman historian

"But the Jews are so hardened that they listen to nothing; though overcome by testimonies they yield not an inch. It is a pernicious race, oppressing all men by their usury and rapine. If they give a prince or magistrate a thousand florins, they extort twenty thousand from the subjects in payment. We must ever keep on guard against them."

MARTIN LUTHER, Table Talk of Martin Luther, translated by William Hazlet,page 43

"Whoever is a friend of a Jew, belong to them, becomes one of them, God cannot tolerate this mean people. The Jews have wandered from divine religion. You must not relent in your work which must show up Jewish deceit."

MOHAMMED, in the Koran

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is not truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. - then answered the Jews - "

JESUS CHRIST, speaking to the Jews in the Gospel of St. John, VIII:44
20:36 June 1, 2010 by Hagrid
(to all those writing to me to whom I didn't respond here, I'll try and get to your posts later, as this concentrated post is long enough)

Rick, how can you say with a clear mind that there is no war between Hamas and Israel? Has the last war not been enough proof? Is the Hamas charter, calling for the continued war on Israel until ALL of it is annihilated, not proof enough for you?

So you say that attacking a ship is a declaration act of war on the country whose flag it flies. This is not necessarily correct, in this case, all the Israelis wanted to do is divert the ship away from Gaza to uphold their blockade, not to kill people inside or loot it. This amounts perhaps to a diplomatic crisis at most, but not war. BTW, a few years ago Israel seized a ship called Karine-A, having a Maltese flag (I think), which contained thousands of tons of weapons and explosives, headed for Gaza. I don't recall Malta saying the slightest bit of protest.

For all questioning the legality of the blockade, I wouldn't put too much stock in the UN security council whose primary partners are mostly Muslim countries. Even if the blockade is indeed illegal (arguable point), smuggling rockets and intentionally firing them on civilian population, without provocation, is even more illegal. When one side breaks the law, often the other side has legitimate grounds to break it too. You can't fight fairly when you observe the rules, but the other side is cheating. After all, this is not the Sweden-Finland border we're talking about.

Luckystrike, this is funny what you're saying. Because in actuality, the international backlash after the North Koreans sunk the South Korean ship, was miniscule in comparison to the all-out-hysteria we are seeing now from the entire world, over 9 dead hooligans. Also, you compare Hamas to Nelson Mandela? I don't recall Nelson Mandela sending suicide bombers and shooting rockets at the white population in South Africa… What a silly comparison.

I saved my final response to the "best" comment in here, by Kevin Harris. Apparently he has a problem comprehending the idea called "free speech". And apparently, a huge majority of 80% or 90% pro-palestinian, vicious-anti-Israel comments in here, is not enough to satisfy him! Everything conflicting with the majority's I-hate-Israel opinion is immediately catalogued as "spammers", "boring", or "regurgitating Israeli press releases", as if the other side has no credible opinions of its own, and as if people here do not regurgitate the poison they drank from their own press releases. He wants everyone to sing to the same tune, or otherwise, to "go away" and be silenced... I believe there is a word for this. It's called Fascism.
20:42 June 1, 2010 by Essjay
All this talk about terrorists cracks me up ,Israel was established by a terrorist zionist organization that fought ,attacked and killed British soldiers ,British soldiers who fought the Nazis , freed the inmates of concentration camps ,that,s what a zionist is ,also if Israel is the land of the jews then how come most of them lived abroad of their own choice before the war ,weird ,bizarre ,Palestine was shared by all religions ,hey come to think of it why don,t Christains demand to live in Israel the birthplace of Christ ,they have just as much right to it as the jews as,same as the muslims ,since when did the jews have the right over others ,could say the Romans ,Italiens have as much right ,they ruled and dominated ,Famous rulers ruled this land, Saladin ,Richard the Lionheart ,Julius Ceasar and what was the name of that Jewish ruler ?!?
20:54 June 1, 2010 by GLO
More anti- Jew, New World Order....Hate Speak is on full display.... no mistake a well planned promotion... Just watch who stands in support of these activities !!!!
21:20 June 1, 2010 by slwnix
May I ask anybody who fluently speaks Swedish to translate one sentence from an Aftonbladet article http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/analys/wolfganghansson/article7224932.ab into English: "Mycket tyder på att aktivisterna på den turkiska båten där nio personer blev dödade har isolerats från de övriga. Deras berättelse är mest känslig."?

I'm asking for this, since there is a discussion on one of Russian-speaking forums of this article. One of participants who lives in Sweden insists that this mean "9 activists onboard were separated from others and then (being unarmed) they were executed". My understanding based on Google Translate is "The ship on which 9 activists were killed was isolated (meaning satellite phones and Internet) from other ships.

Could you please clarify?
22:25 June 1, 2010 by SilentLogic
A Message to Mankell and Others!!

How dare you to help the helpless, let them die with hunger and starvation in Gaza and never confront again to bring relief to any misery again :(
23:16 June 1, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Hello there Kevin Harris!

And exactly who do you think you are to tell ME what to say and what not to say, what to think and what not to think (you'd better start thinking for yourself and not for me).

And who has given you control over who or what I can quote and who or what you do not permit me to quote?

In other words get lost. Beat it!

Pronto! Slavery in Egypt was a long time ago and we are commanded to not go that way again.

I don't need your permission or approval to think or say what I want to say, even if your name is Kevin Harris, the son of Harris Tweed.

There's something known as freedom of speech here in Sweden and in The Local. OUR Local - according to an old Socialist Principle - not just YOUR The Local.

Long live the King & His Queen and Daniel and Victoria!

And in you don't like what I say, you can lump it and go and jump into the lake (of fire)

You are free to do so.

What's this?

23:48 June 1, 2010 by bbeynch
@slwnix: here's your translation: - "Many signals point to the fact that the activists on the Turkish ship, where nine people were killed, have been separated from the others. Their story is the most sensitive."
01:28 June 2, 2010 by millionmileman
In the past 24 hours the world' s outrage is becoming more ridiculous. My Hebrew is more superior than my Swedish. I have now seen and heard the IDF (Israeli Defense forces) video and the commandos were fired on with live ammunition in addition to the clubs and knives at the hands of the lynch-mob.

These so-called peace activists planed this charade for weeks to set-up Israel in a bad light. The fact that the commandos showed up with paint ball guns and pistols and just wanted to escort the aid to Ashdod. This blockade is prevent weapons from being smuggled into Gaza, because these hateful terrorists just want to murder innocent Israelis with their hate and venom. You all better wake up because it's coming tom a theatre near you.

The UN is the most corrupt organization on Earth and is beyond hope. They could not even condem North Korea for sinking the South's destroyer, killing 46 sailors. This was the real outrage that could lead to a genuine war.
02:07 June 2, 2010 by DeadPrez
I hope Henning Mankell had been shot by the IDF so the swedes would have witnessed first hand the hypocrisy of the Western PR Machine they tend to believe so easily. The media would have turned the activist into a suspected fanatical terrorist into a matter of seconds,

-His 1998 holiday trip to Thailand would have been be translated to his trip to an al Qaeda training camp in Pakistan. His phone records would be checked, his customer care call which was outsourced to India would have been translated to a call to a terrorist cell. The fertiliser he bought for his little garden would have been translated to chemicals for making a bomb. His Pakistani driver would be his middleman to Osama. and so forth

It may sound absurd and hard to believe because he is a Swede but if he was a Muslim how many of you would have questioned the media. And because most people are quick to judge and label those different from them the U.S/Israel use this to their advantage. This is the normal case in Gaza, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia. There are terrorist in all this areas but most of the "dead bodies of terrorist, insurgents or radicals" we see on t.v are of innocent people no different from you and me.
02:10 June 2, 2010 by saab

I just want to see if I get this right. Hamas was elected so now we should bow in homage to Hamas? Tell that to members of Fatah who were launched off the rooftop of the tallest building in Gaza to their deaths. Or the repression being inflicted on the people of Gaza who G-d forbid play Western music on a CD player.

Hmm. Chavez was democratically elected. Is he a democrat? Hitler was asked by Hindenburg to form a government since in the "democratic" election the Nazis got the most votes (even if not the majority). Hitler took control, burned down the Reichstag and gave birth to many of the people commenting on TheLocal. A democracy is NOT defined by an election. If it was, one should then state clearly and without hesitation that Ahmedinajed is a democrat which would really be an insult to all those who died last year fighting him. It is defined by a philosophy, by its institutions, by its history. And if you are so exorcised about Israel in Gaza, why oh why oh why did the Palestinians destroy all the green houses and functioning farms that the Israelis left behind intact. And why are you not rioting in front of Egyptian embassies around the world since they sealed the border too (as an aside, please note that Gaza was never Gaza but Egypt. The West Bank was part of TransJordan. That means... there is no such thing as a Palestinian people per se. Well, we will see what interesting reaction that statement brings). Anyway, I conclude with this: does anyone spewing vicious anti Jewish hate here today know a Jew? Do the Jews wear horns? Do they come from a culture of hate and violence? Do they preach hate and violence from synagogues? Does this small tribe of people, numbering about 12 million really have the power to control everything (let's see... 9/11, the lunar landing, the US power structure included) over 1.5 billion or so Muslims? If so, you gotta hand it to them. Or think... gee those 1.5 billion Muslims are pretty weak and incompetent! But I do love the cheap but standard lines that appear from our writers on this comment line. Nothing original about it but the vehemence borders on the menacing. Maybe, just maybe, Israelis understand this since these same jokers would line up to join the Gestapo if they could only bring those swell folks back.
02:24 June 2, 2010 by Sara Alex
Just so you all:

First of all, Semitic ethic group are people who lived and are living in north Africa and Arabia, they include: Egyptians, Amharic, Maltese, Phoenician, Akkadian, Aramaic and the Hebrews among others, so calling any thing thats anti-Israel as anti-semitic is a Total Bull-.

Secondly, do you all think attacking peace activists in International waters, killing some and taking the rest as hostages is self-defense? well yeah knifes and base ball bats can beat the IDF armors !

Finally, the Israelis will do what ever they wants, because they dont care about any International or moral laws, and they showed the whole world that, and believe me when I say a lot more of similar incidents will yet to come and the world will (as usual) stand still.

People please wake up !! go through history and remember that when France or Poland were under occupation the whole world was glorifying their freedom fighters !!
02:42 June 2, 2010 by Will Hart
How soon we are to cast our lots. Assumptions arise yet NO ONE undestands what piracy is regarding international waters. What fools have made comments here that have no understanding other than the self proclaimed chosen ones.
03:00 June 2, 2010 by saab
@Sara Alex: What do you mean by this "People please wake up !!" exactly? Shall we attack Israel with the Swedish navy? Shall we give the green light to Tehran to bomb Tel Aviv? Should we ban Israel from the UN? Shall we kill Israelis and Jews outside Israel who support Israel? Should we continue to spew hate against Israel and blame them for everything, including the poor sod who drowned in Stockholm yesterday? What EXACTLY do you want to do? Can you be SPECIFIC? Were you this passionate when you heard about the 80-some Pakistanis who died while in their mosque last week (or was that an IDF operation)? Were you exorcised when Iran killed hundreds of political prisoners last year? Did you express outrage when Chavez shut down opposition television and radio? Did you scream with uncontrollable rage when the Sbarro pizza parlor in Jerusalem was bombed with women and children inside? Did you emote when the bombs fell on Sderot (WITHIN THE FREAKIN GREEN LINE) last year? Did you yell "revenge" on the Arab hordes rampaging through Darfur? Or could it be, dear Sara, that you have selective vision?

And to my good friend @ post 69,ali_bin_umar thank you so much for your history lesson. I must say that it is the first time that I have been informed by Cicero on the Jew as an entity to be abhored. Very relevant. I get it. Good job. Nice to know that Cassius felt the same way about the Jew. Glad that you are in a long line of unrepentant haters and that your lineage goes back thousands of years. Please, teach me more, oh great one. But know this: the Romans could not do it, the Muslim hordes could do it, the Inquisition could not do it, Hitler could not do it and now Hamas/Hizbullah/Ahmedinajad can not do it. When you recover from your stupor, ask yourself why.
03:42 June 2, 2010 by Sara Alex

I dont why are you bringing all of these unrelated events ?? do they have anything to do with what happened on the freedom flotilla ? I dont think so

You want me to be specific, then take this, read history, you come across the fact the first suicide bombers were Jews trying to establish their own state in 1948, or that there terroristic attacks included bombing public services and hotels like King David Hotel, or you might know that most of the Israeli leaders were terrorists before they got to power, a good book might help your ignorance. Israel is a lunatic state, how can you trust a state having a number between 200 and 300 nuclear heads ? I guess this would answer some of your questions.

And you are so angry about Iran, well you ignored the fact whatever Israel does they assert that its part of their religion, though I personally believe that Judaism had nothing to do with Israel is doing.

I think asking people to get some awareness is quite specific!
05:10 June 2, 2010 by JoeSwede
If Hamas would treat Israel with respect and love thy neigboor, then the embargo would be lifted and food and other suplies would flow freely. Instread Hamas acts like a childish kid. The muslim world is rich. They can develop the area much better. They choose to keep the population poor and uneducated in order to keep the pressure on Israel. The whole place is one big sh!t whole. I'm glad I don't have to live there....
07:02 June 2, 2010 by Rick Methven
@hagrid and others who claim that Israel acted within international law

Quote from the BBC

The UN Charter on the Law of the Sea says only if a vessel is suspected to be transporting weapons, or weapons of mass destruction, can it be boarded in international waters. Otherwise the permission of the ship's flag carrying nation must be sought.

The charter allows for naval blockades, but the effect of the blockade on civilians must be proportionate to the effect on the military element for the blockade to be legally enforceable.

Now I suppose you will claim that the ships where carrying a atomic bomb.

Oh silly me Israel already has them
07:20 June 2, 2010 by Decedo
So I wonder when will Israel start tattoo'ing the people of Gaza and move them to 'work/freedom' camps? Very soon I suspect
09:46 June 2, 2010 by Kronaboy
@potato man

I have to admit as a born and bred UK paki, I have only found 3 peoples in Northern Europe I can stomach, 1, Swedes 2, Norwegians 3, The Irish (Republicans not the Presbyterian Fascist in the occupied counties), so go on you bastards last one to Gaza is an English man.
12:31 June 2, 2010 by wenddiver
@SAAB #81- Agreed. Well said.
19:46 June 2, 2010 by Hagrid
Rick, the BBC cannot all of a sudden invent new conditions to the law. Whatever you quoted is not mentioned in the charter. And even if hypothetically was - Hamas regularly smuggles firearms and explosives to Gaza, just look up "Karin-A". Removing the blockade and allowing ships free passage to Gaza would open up the gates of hell to the region... And therefore both the blockade and the seizure were legal.

Sara Alex, you have no clue of what you're talking about. You cannot compare the Jews in 1948 to Hamas now. First, there was exactly one major attack by Jews on British troops, on the king David Hotel, while Hamas attacked Israel countless times... Second, the Jews never did any suicide attacks. Third, in this lone attack the British soldiers were actually warned by the Jews, but they chose not to heed the warning. Fourth, Hamas intentionally attacks civilian population. The Jewish the attack was directed against British troops occupying Israel, certainly not against civilians in London.

I really don't need to continue to show the ridiculousness of this comparison.
13:24 June 3, 2010 by john1981uk
As soon as they attacked the Israeli troops, they became combatants. Plain as can be.

Rick, according to your post about the quote from the BBC, the Israeli's obviously had the right to board then because they did suspect weapons were aboard.
15:56 June 3, 2010 by SajidAli
I have few questions from all those people who have been trying to say that Israel is right and what ever Israel is doing is right, Can you tell me that after second world war in which so called Jews were killed , how many innocent people have been killed by Israel?? Did any one ever said that Israel is doing wrong?? did any ever said that Israel is occupying the land of Palestine and their country was never existed there. Did any one ever said that no body can say anything bad to Israel because Israel is the bastard son of USA? more then 900 Jews were doing job in world trade center and none of them was there on the day of 9/11.

In short one who supports Israel is equally participating the killing of innocent people in Gaza and Palestine.

Now about the aid ships on which Israel attacked......why Israeli commandos even went to ships in international water why? and when every one knows that everybody on the ships hates Israel do they were expecting some bread for them when they jumped into ship. For God sake open your eyes see the reality, dont just believe everything which is shown at CNN and some other channels which are puppet of Israel.
07:47 June 4, 2010 by sweco1
Dam right these were planned murders, they wanted certain individuals out of the way. They also do multiple murders just to cover who the real target is.

The also had their spies on board like Mehmet Kaplan giving them the intelligence they need to find their targets (victims).

Notice a lot of the victims were Turkish just like Mehmet Kaplan. He acts like your best friend until the moment they kill you.
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"Hej! I think the so-called “hjalpverb” (auxiliary verbs in English) are a good way to get…" READ »


8 July

Editor’s blog, July 8th (The Local Sweden) »

"Hej readers, It has, as always, been a bizarre, serious and hilarious week in Sweden. You…" READ »

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