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TT/The Local · 18 Jun 2010, 13:35

Published: 18 Jun 2010 13:35 GMT+02:00

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Representatives from North Korea, Sudan and Eritrea are among those on the guest list for the wedding ceremony in Stockholm Cathedral on Saturday afternoon. The latter, has in particular been the source of considerable debate in Sweden in recent years over the imprisonment without trial of Swedish journalist Dawit Isaak.

The Royal Court confirmed the guest list with the foreign ministry who passed it without any reservations, according to information head Cecilia Julin.

"This is the praxis we apply for events such as these, that we we invite the whole diplomatic corps," she said.

In response to a question regarding the criticism of the guest list, Julin replied:

"I think that one has to conclude that certain ceremonial state events, then it is natural to invite the countries with whom we have diplomatic relations with. This does not means that we are overly enamoured with parts of their democracy or policies, or respect for human rights."

"When we we have a ceremonial opening of parliament, for example, then we invite them all, and this is a way to show the countries stationed here how are democratic traditions work."

Julin argued that the wedding ceremony is a state ceremony and should not be regarded as imply a festive occasion.

"They are invited to attend the marriage ceremony in the cathedral where the Swedish heir to the throne is to be married - the state ceremonial part of the arrangements. They are not invited to the reception," Julin said.

Julin said that the idea of limiting the invites to representatives from Scandinavian and EU nations, had not been entertained.

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"Where should the line be drawn?" she asked.

When asked whether the foreign ministry was applying "typical diplomatic tactics" by citing "protocol and etiquette over common sense and humanity", Julin replied:

"I have respect for those who consider this wrong, but I am perhaps a little surprised that it has gained so much attention now. I have not heard the same protests when the parliament opens each year."

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16:20 June 18, 2010 by GefleFrequentFlyer
I had to wait for it, but I found the answer to my glancing first suspicion in the 2nd to last paragraph of article.

Oh Sweden, you are so righteous. Righteous when you want to be....
16:24 June 18, 2010 by Avidror
And then they condemn Israel... Holy mother of God.
17:09 June 18, 2010 by cblanquer
No need to invite Israel, they shall invite themselves by dropping their soldiers on the ship :-(
18:22 June 18, 2010 by sebwojo
@cblanquer by being weeded in church means you believe in isreal`s God so isreal is full represented because they will swear in jesus name not mohamad which teaches love not throwing boms
19:08 June 18, 2010 by Michael84
I hope this invitation is a way of releasing that journalist
19:12 June 18, 2010 by ybelov
I suggest that officials from Russia should not be invited either. It is a tyrannical regime as well.
21:13 June 18, 2010 by StockholmSam

Not sure what you are trying to say there, mate. Christians and Jews (who I presume you are referring to when you say "Israelis") do not believe in the same God. The Jews follow the God of the Old Testament, who was cruel and vengeful. The Christians follow the God of the New Testament, who is forgiving and loving. Also, Jews use synagogues, not churches. Finally, who are you saying teaches love rather than "throwing boms?" Mohamad or Jesus?
23:09 June 18, 2010 by Stuart Parsons
Inviting N.Korea, Sudan an Eritrea is taking political correctness far far too far. If Burma, iran and Egypt have been invited, they should also be excluded. Am I correct in assuming Mossad, Hamas, Hezbollah. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban will be at the Cathedral and reception. For what reason have I been excluded. Why am I personae non gratia ?
00:04 June 19, 2010 by Avidror
@ StockholmSam.

Christian's and Jews' Gods are the same one. Jesus was a Jew, so he preached for loving his God, who was the Jewish one. This necessarily means that Jesus' followers believe in the same God than Jesus' himself.

I remember, by the way, that according to the New Testament, Jesus' death was followed by God's anger in the way of an earthquake.
02:28 June 19, 2010 by manrush
The Swedish foreign ministry invites whomever it chooses to invite.

Moral and "democratic ideals" have no place in politics.

You don't like it? Tough.
02:47 June 19, 2010 by repat_xpat
Socialists, communists, dictators. How can you tell the difference? Remember the nice railroad from Germany to Norway? Somethings never change.
04:09 June 19, 2010 by Typical Whitey
North Korea? Incredibly sad.

As for the God of Jews and Christians - He is the same God and Father. Please read your Bible.

Jesus Christ is His only begotten son. In union with the Holy Ghost.
05:41 June 19, 2010 by goodbyeammar
And why there is no criticism for inviting the israeli criminals who are on the habit of killing peace activists.

Indeed North Korea is a dictator regime, but it is very much surprising that inviting the leaders of the israeli occupying forces are not criticized. Israel has higher record of brutality than North Korea and than any other country in the world for the following reasons:

Israel was created on Palestine in 1948 by acts of terror, which resulted on massacring tens of thousands of Palestinians, wiping of 531 villages, and expelling not less than 700 000 Palestinians , in order to leave a room for the European Jews who survived the holocaust. . Admittedly, Shlomo Ben-Ami, the former Israeli foreign minister wrote that ''Nobel Jewish dream of statehood was stained for ever by a major injustice committed against the Palestinians and the Jewish state was born in sin'' (Ben-Ami, Shlomo: Scars of wars, wounds of peace: the Israeli-Arab tragedy New York : Oxford University Press2006: page48) . The Israeli new historian Benny Morris makes the argument that that the 'atrocity factor' was a major reason behind the birth of the Palestinian refugee problem (Finkelstein, Norman (1995) image and reality of the Israeli-Arab conflict London : Verso: 52) . Another israeli new historian Ilan Pappe has written a book called the ethnic cleansing of palestine (translated to swedish) in which he listed the israeli crimes in palestine.

The israel occupation of Palestinian land represents the longest ever occupation in the modern history (several decades).
05:59 June 19, 2010 by aab05001
i want here to add more important facts which goodbyeammar did not mention about the israeli barbarism:

Israel committed endless massacres and genocides against the Palestinian people. many of these massacres are publically known like: qibia massacre, qana massacre, sabra and shatela massacre, jenin massacre, deir yassin massacre, Dawaymeh Massacre, gaza 2008 massacre. In these massacres, the terrorist israeli army massacred children and women in cold blood, used unconventional weapons like white phosphorous. You can just google these massacres and you will get a lot of information on them. There are other massacres like the killing of 5000 palestinians during the second intifada and the killing of nearly 300 during the israeli attack on gaza 2006, and the killing of at least 18000 palestinains and lebanese during the israeli invasion of lebanon, and other massacres.

Israel is not only occupying palestine, it occupies the Golan hights in syria, southren part of lebanon, and before parts of egypt (Sinia peninsula).

According to report released by the Palestinian prisoners club in April 2009, more than 10000 Palestinians and Arabs are arrested in the Israeli prisons, 389 children among them and at least 67 have been imprisoned for past 20 years. The report also mentions that Israel kept crops of 200 Palestinian arrested since many years

Israel is a state based on racism and religious fanaticism because it gathers jews from all over the world and sending to palestine. to secure place for the jews, israel expel Palestinians out of their homes, demolish their houses and occupy their lands. Israel does that because it believes that god promises jews people the land of palestine.

Israel has built a siege which is longer than Berlin wall to segregate people according to their ethnical and religious background.

Israel has been starving the people of gaza for 4 yearts, depriving them of food, schooling and electricity, and after than, it showered them in 2009 with white phosphorous and deadly weapons, resulting in killing 1500, most of them are children. Now some could say that, israel imposed the siege because of the rockets, but the rockets are natural reaction against the israeli occupation and the israeli barbarity. Of course Palestinians need to reaction against all this israeli terror.

So, it is very ironic that inviting the leaders of the israeli pirate states to the wedding is not criticized.

for the one who ironically says that hamas might be invited, i say why not? hamas is a resistant movement, resist the israeli occupation, which is legitimate from the international law's perspective.
21:33 June 19, 2010 by Avidror
@ goodbyeammar and aab05001.

Israel is not the worst offender State on Earth. For example, between 1989 and 2009, 8,900 Israelis and Palestinians were killed due to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but:

* Since 1998, more than 5,400,000 people have been killed in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

* Since 1991, more than 300,000 people have been killed in Somalia.

* Since 2003, more than 300,000 people have ben killed in Darfur, Chad and the Central African Republic.

There are 4,700,000 Palestinian refugees since 1947, but:

* The 1947 partition of India provoked the displacement of 15,000,000 people only that year.

* The 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War provoked 10,000,000 refugees only that year.

* The number of Palestinian refugees since 1947 has been equaled by the number of Iraqi refugees since 2003 only.

* Israel's independence was followed by 800,000 Jewish refugees.
04:26 June 20, 2010 by aab05001
ok, so you mean if other nations committed massacres, then israel can massacre palestinians?!!!!

what a disgusting argument!!!
04:41 June 20, 2010 by Rebel
Hey, why didn't Mr. Obama comme to the wedding? Oh wait, he was too busy playing golf today. Incompetent psychopath.
11:30 June 20, 2010 by cogito
Yes, golf again for Cap'n KickA$$.

It's pretty much all he does, when he's not playing basketball.
18:13 June 20, 2010 by Nachos
Funny how you guys criticize Obama when there are leaders in the world like Ahmadinejad, Khadafi, Hamas, Assad, Kim Jong-il, etc. The always objective and self-analyzing Arab community is alive and well on The Local.
20:11 June 20, 2010 by glamelixir

I tend to be veeeery critical with the US, but c'mon. I mean, I actually find playing golf far more important than assisting to that wedding.

Anyhow, some peple might be more worried about the oil spill in the Gulf (say Obama in this case) than Half royal Victoria and personal trainner Daniel...
20:42 June 20, 2010 by aab05001

Hamas is an organization that fights illegal israeli occupation.

resisting the occupation is something legal from the international law's perspective.

Palestinians hasve been under the israeli occupation for decades, and the israeli regime is takeing everyday palestinian land, so palestinians have a right to fight the criminal and terrorist israeli occupation of thier countries as the european nations resisted the nazi occupation of thier countries.

Hamas is not an extreme organization...Let's check it out:

-it came to power through democratic procedure

-its fight against the israeli occupation is legal

-hamas demands only palestinains rights, nothing more which are as follows:

a- a full liberattion of all palestinian land; that is a palestinian right whether it is accepted here in the west or not, jews were persecuted by the nazis, so palestinians are not supposed to pay thr pirce for the nazi's crime.

-hamas demands return of all palestinian refugees. that is a right for palestinains. now some say that this will lead to the israeli destruction, but that is not the issue; the issue is rather justice. refugees are needed to return to thier homes; that is what the international law articulates. now if the european jews wanna stay in palestine; fine, we dont object, but palestinians need to go back to thier country and they will....
21:29 June 20, 2010 by Nachos
That is about the most one-sided description of Hamas that I have ever seen. But then again, our Muslim friends have never been known for their self-reflection or analysis.

It's true that Hamas was democratically elected....and that is an absolutely FRIGHTENING statement about the Palestinian people. With Hamas, we are talking about an organization that executes suicide bombings, uses children as human shields, children as combatants, exterminates its own people...I mean, I could seriously go on ALL DAY about the atrocities that Hamas has committed. "Not an extreme organization," you say? LMGDFAO.

I am no fan of the Israelis either. And I think they need to stop with the building on contested land, give the Palestinians a state and end the blockade (except for weapons). However, if the Palestinians could find it within themselves to NOT shoot rockets at Israel, to NOT suicide bomb Israel and to generally not give in to their natural instinct of violence.....I think the world would be on their side. Just try it. 2 years with no rockets and no violence.
23:31 June 20, 2010 by Avidror
@ aab05001.

Hamas is a terrorist organization. That definition doesn't depend on whether Israeli occupation of Palestine is legal or not (which is not). It depends on Hamas' activities, which consist of terrorizing Israelis and Palestinians. Furthermore, among its main goals, we can find they seek Israel's destruction, i.e., genocide. Did you read about French resistance's activities consisting of terrorizing German civilians or seeking Gernamy's anihilation? No, you didn't.

By the way, if Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories causes the Palestinian "resistance", why has that "resistance" been existing for so much time, long before Israeli occupation of Palestine and even Israel's independence?
00:56 June 21, 2010 by aab05001
For Nachos:

You are funny! Do you know that?!

The what you called ''Hamas' atrocities'' are not, in fact, atrocities. They are legitimate struggle against the occupation. Fighting the occupation is legal. The way you describe Hamas is the same way the British occupiers of USA who used to call the American freedom fighters ''savage''. It is the same way the british used call those who reacted against their occupation. Now the rockets you are talking about come as a natural react against the occupation. Which comes first: the occupation or the rockets? The occupation or hamas? Because there is israeli occupation of palestine, we have PLO and hamas. If there is no occupation, we will not have Hamas.

Sucide bombing is a reaction against the occupation. Israel is using F-16 and the most sophisticated weapons the human mind could ever invent, and kill thousands of people. Palestinians do not have weapons to defend themselves, so they use their body to react against the israeli criminal occupation. And the rockets you are talking about resulted in killing 12 israelis in 8 yuears. They are home-made can barely cause damage. Let us check who is making atrocities, the Palestinians or the Israelis:

Israel: destroyed 531 villages, expel Palestinians out of their homes, demolishing houses, building apartheid wall, arresting 11000, among them hundreds of children, committed endless of massacres (jenin, deir yassin, qibia, sabra and shatela, …ect), in gaza massacre, massacred 1500 people, demolished mousques and universities, killed peace activists, starving 1.5 million in gaza, showered civilians with white phosphorous, behave like mafia and assassinate Palestinians outside palestine, by using fake passports, collaborated with the south African apartheid regime, as it was mentioned that it wanted to sell it nuclear technology. Not to mention that israel occupies palestine, southern part of Lebanon and Golan height in Syria..

Palestinains: what Palestinians are doing are pure self-defense action against the occupation. Now it is true that the sucide bombers sometimes affect the israeli civilians, but all this come as a reaction against the occupation. Another issue, not all the Israelis are civilians, many of them came to palestine and occupied Palestinians houses because they think god gave them this land and they take the army to occupy the land. in the last israeli attacks on gaza, israel killed 1500 in gaza, most of them are civilian children, and hamas killed only 12 (even 6 israei soldiers were killed in friendly fires)….

So who is committing atrocity friend? Even if we treat the Palestinians action against israel as illegal, they barely harm the Israelis. Israel is killing palestinaisn like birds.
01:11 June 21, 2010 by goodbyeammar
The problem is with the israelis and thier supporters, they want palestinians to accept the occupation and the siege and say yes without reaction. This is indeed a traditional colonial thinking. Hitler wanted the European nations to accept his occupation. Hitler called the French and Danish resistance terrorism. it is a behavior all the colonizers share.

So there is occupation, israel expelled Palestinians out of their country, there is a siege, everyday jews come from Europe to occupy Palestinian houses since ''god promises them the land'' . for the israelis and their supporters, Palestinians should accept this. should accept to live in refugees camps, should accept the occupation!!!!

The problem, the israeli supporters, since they support an occupying and colonizing state, they do not recognize anything called Palestinian resistance. It is israel is the state of terror which its foundation was based on terror. These people do not think that Palestinians should react against the occupation. They think the israeli occupation of palestine is something good since they believe god says to the jews that they should leave Europe and go to palestine..you people are fanatic, but also pathetic. I don't know till when will you support an occupying apartheid pirate state that murder peace activists?! Anyway, the criminal apartheid state of israel will collapse one day as exactly the nazi regime collapse, and as the aparathied regime in south Africa collapse. There is occupation will last forever. The justice will come and the supporter of the criminal israeli occupation will be vanished on the history pin .

Hamas' goal is so simple: ending up the israeli occupation of palestine.

The occupier is the terrorist not the victim of occupation.
02:09 June 21, 2010 by Nachos
And this is why violence is the only language anyone in the Middle East understands-

>>>The what you called ''Hamas' atrocities'' are not, in fact, atrocities. They are legitimate struggle against the occupation. Fighting the occupation is legal. The way you describe Hamas is the same way the British occupiers of USA who used to call the American freedom fighters ''savage''.>>>

Right. Using children as human shields is not an atrocity. LOL. Once you accept that your natural inclination towards violence is not the answer, then maybe something will get done.

Do you people realize that if the Palestinians did not commit a violent act against the Israelis for an extended period of time (and if the Israelis commit violent acts towards you) that the world will finally recognize you as victims in this situation? Did it ever occur to you to try another method aside from violence ? Seriously. Palestinians can complain until they are blue in the face about an Israeli occupation but if they are firing rockets into Israel, no one is going to listen. People in the Middle East seem to think that they are going to get their way by using violence or blowing things up. The civilized world does not listen to that. Has trying an approach OTHER than violence ever come to mind?
05:08 June 21, 2010 by meatpie
This is the Swedish Royal Wedding, not the Israel/Palestine conflict!

Just crack the door and you twits will slam it open with your boring diatribe.
07:37 June 21, 2010 by NovaLand
aab05001: If Hamas would have a official in Sweden with diplomatic status, I'm sure he/she would be invited too.
11:28 June 21, 2010 by orangestar
Comment: @aab05001 Do you think to resolve the palestinians problems continuing to attack Israel? Palestinians wants the peace and many wants to live and work in good harmony with Israel.The reality is that the democratic terrorists (hamas) wants only the war because they understand only the hate! Why they don't try the dialogue road? Kurdish people are almost 40.000.000 and they don't have a land only because Iran,Syria,Turkey and Iraq (but now in the Iraq side Kurdish have a certain autonomy) oppressed this people for decades. Why Hamas don't spend some words for the poor kurdish people? Why Hamas don't spend some good words for the poor Darfur? Please don't reply this post telling me......you don't understand that,you don't understand this.....you no way out....you must to dialogue and stop the terrorism. If you think that Israel are terrorist that doesn't mean you have to react in the same way.Think twice.....and remember......in not suspect times before the II World War the nazism had a real collaboration with the Gran Muftì of Jerusalem, Amin al Husseini.This is story.The Gran Muftì was in contact with Hitler to support his anti-sionism.Try to read on internet.... the fact is that a certain part of Islam is racist and prefer to hate instead to love and to go ahead into the future.Stop and think better....follow the Tibetan teaching...they are under the chines system but they don't use bombs against them.The Dalai Lama is trying to use the dialogue and they want only a little autonomy...they don't want an indipendence. Sorry my english and i hope all of you are well and happy. Best wishes to "The Local" to give the opportunity to talk in a democratic way.
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