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Greens still in hot seat ahead of final tally

David Landes · 21 Sep 2010, 17:57

Published: 21 Sep 2010 17:57 GMT+02:00

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A survey carried out by Sifo and published on Tuesday in the Aftonbladet newspaper revealed that a majority of Green Party voters, 53 percent, were against cooperating with the Alliance, while 34 percent were in favour of the idea.

The reticence among Green voters toward working with the parties on the right came as no surprise to Cheryl Jones Fur, the party’s spokesperson for Kronoberg county.

“The people who voted for us don’t want us to switch sides,” she told The Local.

“Our entire election campaign was directed toward changing the government.”

She added that the uncertain election results have put the Green Party in a difficult position.

“The rhetoric of the party leaders has put a lot of pressure on the Green Party. It’s like if we make the wrong decision everything will be our fault,” she said.

“I’m not sure we’re being treated fairly.”

But when it comes to working with the Alliance, Jones Fur acknowledged that there was scope for cooperation.

“The Greens do have lots in common with the Alliance, like our policies toward small business, for example,” she said.

When asked about what sort of price the Green Party might extract in exchange for a pledge to work with the Alliance, Jones Fur stressed the importance of environmental issues as well as policies to reduce divisions in society.

“These issues can’t be ignored in negotiations,” she said.

Earlier on Tuesday, Centre Party leader Maud Olofsson praised the Green Party’s environmental record.

“There’s nothing wrong with the Green Party’s engagement on environmental issues. So I think that (including them) can only add strength,” she told the Expressen newspaper.

While Olofsson agreed with Reinfledt about turning to the Greens in order to avoid having to work with the Sweden Democrats, she refused to divulge how such an approach might come about.

Also complicating the possibility of joining an Alliance government, according to Jones Fur, are the many issues where the Green differ from the other centre-right parties, such as Sweden’s military engagement in Afghanistan.

“Even if we got the environment minister post and the deputy prime minister post, it would be hard (to be a part of centre-right government) because you have to support the entire government and all of its positions,” she said.

According to political science professor Ulf Bjereld, the Alliance could adjust its policies in a way that would allow the Greens and their centre-left coalition partners to support them.

“The government could also choose to forge ahead, lose a number of votes and get through some of their proposals with the help of the Sweden Democrats,” Bjereld told the TT news agency.

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“The Red-Greens and the Alliance have very similar problems: the Alliance doesn’t want to get its proposals passed with the help of the Sweden Democrats and the Red-Greens don’t want to vote down the government's proposals with the help of the Sweden Democrats,” he explained, adding that in some areas, like school and infrastructure policy, the Alliance could seek broad support.

But he cautioned that issues would likely arise which could cause the government to fall.

“Repeated defeats on specific issues can also erode the government’s credibility and lead to a new election. But the Red-Greens would also hesitate to topple an Alliance government with help of the Sweden Democrats,” Bjereld said.

However, the future of Red-Green cooperation remains in doubt following the three-party coalition’s unsuccessful bid to unseat the Alliance.

“But this would be a natural breaking point,” said Jones Fur, adding that the Greens are “reconsidering the coalition”.

“To be honest, I just don’t know what the future will be. We’re sticking together right now, but we’re certainly reevaluating how to move forward as a coalition and as separate parties.”

David Landes (david.landes@thelocal.se)

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Your comments about this article

19:21 September 21, 2010 by manrush
Hopefully, the Greens will stop being stupid and will collaborate with the Alliance.
19:27 September 21, 2010 by glamelixir
If they do so I would never ever again vote for them, everyone I know who has voted for them share this feeling.
19:30 September 21, 2010 by unseen

you're an SD boy, aren't you?
20:08 September 21, 2010 by richardbw
I hope there can be a compromise where the Greens can help the Alliance rule. Surely that is better than letting the SverigeDemokraterna have the deciding vote?

My guess is

1. Before the election both the Greens and Alliance probably had some kind of contingency plan for this scenario.

2. I expect there has already been preliminary discussions and they probably have agreed a rough, framework proposal.

3. But, both parties will wait until they know the full result just incase Alliance actually manage to scrape home with a majority. No point in the Greens upsetting SocDem or Vänster, unless absolutely necessary.

As for Green voters, of which I am one, it is a tough choice between working with the other side, or taking a moral stance and saying no to Alliance. However, a minority government could be very unstable and bad for the country. I personally believe that is is better for the Greens to be the king-makers and impose their agenda than let the SvD be the king-maker and have their agenda imposed.
20:44 September 21, 2010 by unseen

well said
22:09 September 21, 2010 by miss79
no dont work with allianse..stay with red green party..
00:08 September 22, 2010 by seagull
This would be a crazy situation. The alliance need to sit down and talk with the SD. Of course they are not going to let any of their exaggerated claims gain any gorund, but I imagine such an "alliance" would work. Why? Because for the most part they sit on the same side of the fence. If democracy is not allowed to work here (ie the peoples very real concerns that led them to switch alegiance to a far right party), then you can bet that next time we come to a vote, it won't be only 20 seats. The namby pamby PC politicians on both sides need to listen to their public. Even if the SD's are coming from it from an entirely "blown out of all proportion" standpoint, they have got a message. There are problems with immigration/integration and crime and as these problems get worse, then support for "the only party to address them" will increase.

Nobody in their right minds wants to see an extreme party gain more ground, but they will if they are simply excluded from the democratic process.

In the end more people in Sweden voted for a centre right coallition, than anything else, the people who voted for the Greens certainly didn't. Whereas many people who would have normally voted for one of the centre-right alliance, voted SD, for the most part I'm guessing as a protest. Please Sweden, let the people decide.

My guess is that if they discuss all the issues that need to be discussed, and come to some sort of agreement, AND do something concrete, then in 4 years, the SD's will disappear again.

And before you comment, I am an immigrant.
01:50 September 22, 2010 by glamelixir

And you are mentally challenged and uncapable of any "reading comprehension" activity, right? You must be a poor Moderaterna then. It is called democracy and my vote shall be respected.

I voted red green because I wanted red green, otherwise I would have voted red all the way. If the blue parties want cooperation from the opposition they are more than welcome to negotiate with the entire block.

Why do I even waste my time explaining this? considering your previous conclusion you might be unable to interpret anything...once again.
07:45 September 22, 2010 by Rey Stockholm
Make no mistake, the whiff of power will prove irresistable for them and they will find a weasel way to change there stance to get in to power.

Hope also they will drop there ludicrous idea of building a trillion wind turbines ( which wont work when no wind - 40% of time ) and support clean nuclear.
07:57 September 22, 2010 by miss79
unseen, nobody wants a party who makes a profit out of their citizens..and hell yeah, MP should stay with rödgrönt party instead joining alliance..Fredrik is desperate to become a minister once again and hunger for power
08:09 September 22, 2010 by hpunlimited
The alliance needs to sit down and have talks with SD instead. The "miljö partiet, de gröna kommunisterna" is not what you want in the government.

One of their "speaking pipes" Wetterstrand has never held an employment in her life. She went straight from the school bench to politics. Hence why she lives in her own little fantasy world and is so far from reality that you can be.

Also there is a danger with politicians like that and that is that she will never be able to relate to the public and the tax payer.
08:32 September 22, 2010 by sruk
First was Bin Laden , then Sadam and bird-flu, now we have SD, what's the next?

As long as the rich morons want to stay in power voting is meaningless. Don't worry they will find those necessary 1000 votes today (as calculated and predicted on Columbia university yesterday??) and all the problems with majority will suddenly disappear..

Bush did it twice, so calm down and enjoy the ride...welcome to NATO by the way...
08:51 September 22, 2010 by Rick Methven
Just like the liberals in the UK joined the Tories who they strongly opposed, MP will join with the alliance and get some of their policy actioned as the condition of support. That way you get a move to the centre of the political spectrum and isolate the extremists from left and right a win win situation. Pragmatism is the word
10:21 September 22, 2010 by here for the summer
The headline is wrong read the article again. 1/3 of the green voters want a deal with the right and another 15 % are undecided.

The posters here that say the greens shouldn't do a deal are not greens but the red who would be shut out with a Green deal with the alliance. The facts are that all communist governments have the worst environmental records and so there is nothing green about red.
11:31 September 22, 2010 by samwise
the green's platform is largely based on the assumption of man made global warming. we're told it's the consensus, and many sheeple believe it.

I think most parties in sweden claim they believe that, but their policies demonstrate otherwise. It shows some sanity. Al Gore buys expensive mansions, seems like he doesn't believe some catastrophe is coming soon. He is sane too, because he doesn't practice what he preaches.

the greens want to force everybody else to contribute to their crusade against CO2, on that sense, you can't say they are totally insane. Don't all leftists like to force us to fight their crusades? They will never run out of crazy crusades. They are in a constant fighting mode.
15:20 September 22, 2010 by seagull
@Sam"not so wise".

People like you are almost as dangerous as the extreme religious lot.

The facts are pretty clear. The CO2 in the atmosphere is greater than at any time in our history. Earths temperature is directly proportional to the amount of C02.

Rather be a "sheeple" than an Ostrich.
19:31 September 22, 2010 by samwise

count me as an "extreme religious lot". your welcome.

so you believe a correlation must mean a causation there? are you sure which increase occurs first? the temperature or the CO2? What's your prediction of the impact? the civilization is coming to an end in __ years if we keep going with the current pace of pumping out co2? was there a medieval warm period? how did you measure co2 in the past? was Greenland ever green?
23:38 September 22, 2010 by seagull
medieval warm period. As far as we know, we aren't sure what caused it.... there certainly are other (natural) things that cause warming.

"are you sure which occurs 1st" - well me personally no, but we are pumping the stuff out, AND destroying the forests which reduce it...so does it matter?

The imoact... Well ultimately massive land loss, more severe weather in currently temperate lands, among other things.

The measurement is done by soil samples in a similar way we can date fossils as far as I know.

In the end you should watch the Al Gore movie for a start. It's a bit over-emotional especially with the cut scenes, but the figures are plain.

Me, I want my kids to grow up in a free society, free from religious bs, and also one that has a future.
00:06 September 23, 2010 by samwise
good to know there are things you are not quite clear.

"an inconvenient truth" of Al Gore, awesome.

in order to tell religious bs from non-bs, you have to have some standard, and in the end you'll probably see the foundation of any standard is some sort of faith based unproven stuff. maybe your standard is superior, maybe you can make sense about why freedom is beautiful without introducing God.

Few people can stand three why's.

But again, I'm just an "extreme religious lot".

I want your kids grow up in a free society too.
13:41 September 23, 2010 by seagull
Well for a start I didn't once call you "a religious extremist". I simply think that "climate problem denial" could be "almost" as dangerous...especially as people who haven't a clue simply jump on the bandwagon.

As for god, gods, godesses, they are simply not necessary, not for the beauty of nature, freedom, for the study of ethics and morality, or in fact anything.

If the God of the Old testement exists then it is the single most evil entity that has ever existed.

However. When I say free society, I still regard "freedom of religion" as an imperative...so long as that always includes "freedom from religion". Recent events have steered much of the west on a course that doesn't include "freedom from religion".

I wonder how many people would have voted SD if say Lars Vilks had been allowed to simply get on with drawing his rubbish cartoons without having to fear for his life (which he has every right to do)?
01:15 September 25, 2010 by samwise
I'm not bothered by the "extreme religious lot" label or title, why should I? So don't worry about that, whether it's almost as dangerous or actually more dangerous. I don't believe man made global warming theory, why should I? You would probably think I'm worse than an "extreme religious lot" if you know a little bit about me. Again, that doesn't bother me.

You blame the biblical God evil, I'm just curious about where your moral standard comes from, and why it is valid. I won't argue, just curious. I suppose you don't believe absolute morality. Anyway, that's enough for friday I guess.
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