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Anger over Ship to Gaza Swedes' return to Israel

TT/The Local · 5 Nov 2010, 16:00

Published: 05 Nov 2010 16:00 GMT+01:00

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Artist Dror Feiler and Green Party MP Mehmet Kaplan plan to travel to Israel on Sunday, prompting Israel’s embassy in Stockholm to condemn the trip as “a provocation with the sole aim of seeking a confrontation”.

In a statement, the embassy writes that Feiler and Kaplan tried to enter Israel illegally in May 2010 and that people who do so are barred from entering the country for ten years.

“On May 31st, 2010, Feiler and Kaplan participated in an illegal attempt to penetrated Israel’s maritime border with the Ship to Gaza and were stopped and deported as a result,” wrote the Israeli embassy in a statement.

“[A]ccording to Israeli law every person who tried to enter the country illegally is denied permission to enter Israel for a period of ten years, as long as he doesn’t appeal the decision.”

The embassy added that they had not yet received any such appeal from either of the Swedes.

Feiler told the TT news agency that it’s “a huge scandal” if Israel keeps him and Kaplan from entering the country.

“There is no legal ground whatsoever to refuse me entry,” he said.

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According to Feiler, he and Kaplan plan to file a complaint with the police alleging, among other things, “kidnapping, armed robbery, abuse, and imprisonment”.

“I hope that the Israelis come to their senses, let us come in, and hand over our complaint to the authorities,” he said.

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18:54 November 5, 2010 by boby
I hope they put Feiler in a dark hole for the next 20 years and kick Kaplan all the way back to Sweden.
18:56 November 5, 2010 by ajs42548
Let's see now. Countries like North Korea and Iran capture kids hiking near or just inside their borders and are arrested and put on trial and sometimes sentenced to years in jail. That these two clowns tried to illegally enter Israel cannot be disputed. That these two clowns tried to enter Israel illegally as enemies of Israel cannot be disputed either. Yet they were released unharmed and are now able to walk free tells us how ridiculous this whole thing is. Countries like Mexico arrest people who enter that country illegally and put them in jail. Maybe they should try to illegally enter N. Korea, Iran or Mexico and see how that works out.
19:52 November 5, 2010 by eZee.se
And the lunacy continues...
19:56 November 5, 2010 by saab
Interesting logic from Feiler and Kaplan.

First we learn that: "[A]ccording to Israeli law every person who tried to enter the country illegally is denied permission to enter Israel for a period of ten years..."

Then one of the clowns (Feiler) states: "There is no legal ground whatsoever to refuse me entry," he said.

Hmm. How about... Israeli law?

And since when does a country NOT have the right to determine its own sovereignty and rules relating to who can enter? Maybe someone should inform Feiler and Kaplan that we are not yet One World. If we were, they would have free access to places like Pyongyang, Mogadishu, Riyadh (but don't bring a bible), and Harare.
20:47 November 5, 2010 by tgolan
Feiler reminds me of the Kapos who worked for the Nazis in the concentration camps.
21:05 November 5, 2010 by calebian22
This just makes me laugh. I hope Israel treats these putzes like the morons that they are.
22:48 November 5, 2010 by Nemesis
On the basis of this.

Leving aside the fact that I think what has happened in Gaza is beyond insane, regarding all sides in the conflict.

If I was in the Israeli military I would torpedo the next ship to get rid of these imbeciles.
22:49 November 5, 2010 by olive_tree
Nice comments, let's have a quick look before my next cig.

@Boby: I won't be surprised if they send them to prison (Dark hole) , as the army that open fire on peace activists, starting from Rachel Corrie until the freedom flotilla; they can do anything.

@ajs @saab: Well, what Israel itself is claiming, that it has withdrawn from Gaza back in 2005, and the people on the ships were attacked in the international water, and dragged (kidnapped) into Israel.

Rest of the guys, ur comments do not deserve a reply.
22:57 November 5, 2010 by saab
@olive_tree, Gaza is not an internationally recognized country. And enough tears about Rachel Corrie. She should never have been standing where she was standing and the construction worker who thought the area was clear did not see her. Will you ever say anything the missiles from Gaza landing in Sderot and Ashkelon? If missiles were being fired from Norway and a ship representing the Norwegians was heading to Swedish waters, would you intercede? Oh right, maybe not, because it's such an absurd concept in my safe Western European peace haven.
23:06 November 5, 2010 by cowboykodp
Just a reminder, the ships were headed to Gaza and not Israel.

Boby, I apologize in advance and I hope you will not be offended. But was it not you who was concerned for the safety of Jews in Malmö, saying that all Jews should not be held accountable for Israel's actions. It sounds to me that you are clearly supporting Israel's actions.

I am not passing judgment or taking sides. (Israel vs. Palestinians)
23:28 November 5, 2010 by olive_tree
Saab, I knew you pro-Israel even when we talk about swedes, but u insisted to add that you're a liar too.

Rachel was not in a construction site, it was a destruction site, where the isreali soldiers were demolishing huses in south Gaza on the Egyptian border.

She was very visible to the soldiers. check it on utube
00:23 November 6, 2010 by ehwhat?
Thank you for posting the suggestion. I did check on YouTube. Besides a lot of opinion I saw nothing that would prove that she was visible to the bulldozer driver. I did see a poorly pasted together film that had the transmission of the report of hitting an object released by the IDF played over the top. Is this what you are referencing? If so, it's a remarkably poor source.

If you have a specific link that proves visibility versus people giving an opinion (from either side), I would really like to have it. I have a great deal of respect for Rachel, she had strong beliefs, chose her battle and she died. Her death was a tragedy. Anyone who stands in front of a bulldozer must be prepared to be injured or worse. They are heavy machinery not sports cars. They do not stop quickly and their visibility is impaired. I know this first hand having operated one on several house building sites. Hence my interest in the specific link. The photos of the bulldozer that was used is an armored version, with even more reduced visibility. I was greatly surprised that the IDF didn't arrest or at least remove all people from the site prior to the demolition. The failure to do so, coupled with the intent of Rachel and her colleagues to disrupt the action was a clear recipe for disaster.

There can be little doubt that her death was accidental, civilly culpable and the family deserves compensation.
01:34 November 6, 2010 by olive_tree
Well, I will take things at your level first, even though my back will hurt me.

Search: Rachel Corrie - American Hero! second 33

You just took one incident to defend Israel, you were not the best lawyer, neither Israel is the best client. It's a state of terror that occupies the land, killed thousands of people , applying siege on 1.5 million people, and screwed all it's friends.

Your arguments are not believable anymore dear, the leaders (killers) you defend are wanted in several countries for crimes against humanity, and one day they will be brought to justice. The today's world is not as yesterday's

02:07 November 6, 2010 by Hagrid
This Feiler was also the "artist" who created an exhibit in which a Palestinian terrorist which blew herself up in a restaurant, killing in cold blood over 20 Israelis - was depicted as pure and innocent as Snow White. So I can understand Israel for wanting to keep this scumbag out.

@ olive_tree, I agree that Israeli leaders should stand trial for crimes against humanity. Their trial should start the day after we are done convicting those wonderful phliantropists and human-rights-chamions from Hamas, Fatah, Hizbullah, Iran, Irak, Libya, Syria, and even the great China, Russia and the great USA.
08:35 November 6, 2010 by Tutu
would these two low lives consider going back to Gaza to report or complain about maltreatment
10:26 November 6, 2010 by asian369
Comment removed by The Local for breach of our terms.
10:52 November 6, 2010 by Sebastian_R
I suggest to amend Godwin's law ("As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.") with the following: "If the discussion is about Israel and/or Palestine, even for very short discussions the probability is approaching one".

I'm not going to take sides but I must say that I have very little respect for any party in this totally unacceptable conflict. I find it rather ridiculous that the world at large and the affected population accepts this violent conflict and does not work towards peace through an honest reconciliation process.
11:19 November 6, 2010 by Iraniboy
Wishful thinking?

A government that kills tens of unarmed people heading to a 3rd country on international water, a government that attack a UN school and kill all its kids inside won't listen to your complaints!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad to see that Israelis and their supporters are very well represented in this forum against Sweden. It says a lot about these posters especially next time they want to post something about SWEDEN!!!
12:31 November 6, 2010 by gofojo
What I think is really interesting, is that Israel exists in the grey zone, continuously manipulating those areas of the law (either international or other) to its own benefit to strengthen and expand its own existence.

This is a problem for we must respect the right of law and the right of existence of our neighbors for the reason for this law - is to remove the prospect of conflict. That intention does not seem present in the current Israeli government.

The Israeli's do this, too, in international finance. In fact, if you look closely at their company structures there is a current trend to 'hide' behind foreign structures to make them look non-israeli. The brain washing continues, from birth to business. At all levels.

So, we must boycott Israel until they adhere to international law. Lets not get bogged down in the discussions surrounding the complexities for which they love - to use to blur the arguments - instead - lets just focus on the blatant abuses of international law and then, if necessary, use that against them.
12:37 November 6, 2010 by MC7669
People if Rachel Corrie had nothing to do there and she knew verry well that this is not a place to be! I wonder what would happen to here if she was traveling to Iran or Turkey or Spain and express her support to people that are in Jail because of th e Iranian regime or bombing Kurdish villages or basques in Spain's jailes not talking about China, Russia, Korea....sexual abuze of children in Thailland and other countries like cuba and more.....
13:17 November 6, 2010 by Iraniboy

Your comparison is invalid. That ship was not planned to go to Israel. It was in international water. So your comparison is basically invalid. There are lots of US marine and ship passing by Iranian border in Persian Gulf or ven close to China etc. This was a unique brutal violation of international laws by Israel.
13:25 November 6, 2010 by Rebel
Israel should put them on trial for their actions, convict them, and give them a few years in an Israeli prison.
13:45 November 6, 2010 by Rick Methven

"If I was in the Israeli military I would torpedo the next ship to get rid of these imbeciles"

Do you get vicarious pleasure out of promoting murder of innocent people?

You are a seriously sick person
17:37 November 6, 2010 by Sam1
there should be PEACE

by now
18:13 November 6, 2010 by Carnitas
- The world has never been so in dire need of HITLER as it is now.-

Yeah, this comment was definitely the highlight of the thread so far....conveiently ignored by Rickyboy of course. But that's par for the course when dealing with that guy. The same people who ignored this comment are the ones who are calling others "Nazi" and "racist." Too freaking hilarious.
22:04 November 6, 2010 by ehwhat?
Dear olive_tree,

Thank you for the link. I watched them all, it took some time. I still haven't seen proof that this was murder. Please note that I am not defending the idiots who did not remove the protesters prior to the deployment of the bulldozer. Nor am I defending the actions of a person who either placed herself in harms way with the expectation that a heavy equipment operator would see her and stop or may, at least according to several of the links you lead me to, desired martyrdom. Personally, I don't think she was looking for martyrdom, although others are hailing it as such. Clearly, she believed sufficiently in her cause to risk and unfortunately find death.

The IDF heavy equipment operators should be held responsible civilly for their actions. Opinions are not facts. Numerous people voicing the same unsubstantiated opinion on YouTube - or any other venue - does not make their statements factual.
23:10 November 6, 2010 by Rebel
A question...if you were told you had to live in a nation in the Middle East for five years with your family which nation would you choose?

My bet is even the troublemakers trying to show solidarity with the enemies of Israel would prefer an Israeili neighborhood to anything anywhere else in that region.
00:48 November 7, 2010 by Iraniboy
@Carnitas and Rishonim

In fact that ignorant guy who made that comment about Hitler is unaware of the fact that Hitler wanted Jews out of Europe. That is exactly why Israel was created and that is what Israeli government is currently promoting! It is to gather all Jews around the world. In fact today's new-Nazis and fa-right groups are main supporters of Israel since it accomplishes their agenda to make Europe empty of Jews without any conflict!!

I'm hoping for a day where Jews, Muslims, Christians and other religions and non-religious people could live in same country without any group affiliation who want to specify a special country for each belief/race!!
12:00 November 7, 2010 by cowboykodp
@ Rebel;

You obviously have never traveled to any country in the ME. Don't believe everything you hear in the news. (sociology 101)


Comments like asian369 are so childish and rare on this forum that it does not warrant even a single acknowledgment. He is just as much of a scumbag as the likes of @Carnitas and others on this forum.

Also, what do you think Iran would do if attacked? Not a very good outcome for Israel. I am sure you would agree that the IDF has weighed the options by now.
20:24 November 7, 2010 by fletchni
I am, for the first time, truly embarrassed to be associated with this publication and its readers. We read The Local because either we can't be bothered to learn Swedish, or we are struggling with learning Swedish, and like the opportunity to stay informed about local news in our host country… and country in which we are (nearly all) immigrants or extended visitors.

Can I really be reading these awful comments, written by people who are international travellers & ex-pat? Can I really be reading such hatred for other peoples of the world?

We are all entitled to a political view, but we are not entitled to argue it in a disrespectful way. A large number of comments here show neither respect for this forum, nor for our fellow human beings around the world.

Israel will never be an easy subject, often borne out of our collective guilt and horror of what happened during the second world war. But it is important to understand and acknowledge facts before then promoting our political view.

The "Ship to Gaza" was legal in every respect (just as was Iraq's right to be a sovereign country). Whether Israel was right to capture the ship illegally (because of their perceived threat to their security)… or whether the US & UK were right to invade Iraq illegally (because of their perceived threat to their security) is a matter for interesting and serious debate. Not name calling and abuse. I am sorry to use such a contentious issue for comparison, but reading the comments here, there does seem to be a large US pro-israeli pro-military presence on this forum, so it felt right to use this comparison.

As for the original topic… Are these two "clowns" going about the right way to raise awareness about what (to be fair) most of the world felt was an injustice? And does the Israeli embassy in Sweden really help their case by issuing such a press release. Probably not.

But, has the world community (and that includes Sweden & the US) really taken any significant steps towards addressing what happened with the Ship to Gaza? Or, even worse, has the world community really taken any significant action to the accusations of war crimes by Israel against the Palestinians? I don't believe so.

And, while it must be clear to anyone reading this that I have my own opinions on the subject, my comment on the world community, is that at least to be shown to investigate, to try and find out objectively what happened, would be a step in trying to move forward. I believe this is often because of fear of upsetting Israel… but I also feel this is precisely what helps fuel anti-israeli feelings.

I believe most Israelis want peace. I believe most Palestinians want peace. In fact, I believe most people in the world just want peace. But most of us have little choice but to pass this responsibility to the politicians of the world, who are currently, and seriously, letting us down.
22:06 November 7, 2010 by zack101
Peace in the middle east and the whole world!Giving Palestinians their right to have their own state on their own Territory will grant Israel the safety and securities so they can live together in harmony!
00:59 November 8, 2010 by flaedo
"Feiler told the TT news agency that it's "a huge scandal" if Israel keeps him and Kaplan from entering the country". These people were on ships with Turkish jihadis who had sworn before leaving Turkey that if they couldnt arrive to Gaza then they would rather embrace the death of the martyr. These so called Swedes should pick non violent travel companions. The attack on the lsraelis was unacceptable. These two 'Swedes' bear some of the blame for this. One of the lsraelis had his stomach cut open and his entrails pulled out by the peaceful protesters. He had already beed clubbed and stabbed in the stomach - he was then dragged inside the ship where they opened up his stomach wound with a knife. These protesters are hideous.
14:54 November 8, 2010 by JRDKIdd
The killing of civilians is a war crime. It is to this charge that Israel has to answer for the bloody killing of 900 civilians in Gaza and the killing of nine unarmed civilians on the high seas.

The UN Human Rights Council has reported that:

"The conduct of the Israeli military and other personnel towards the flotilla passengers was not only disproportionate to the occasion but demonstrated levels of totally unnecessary and incredible violence. It betrayed an unacceptable level of brutality. Such conduct cannot be justified or condoned on security or any other grounds. It constituted grave violations of human rights law and international humanitarian law."

There was "clear evidence" of wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment and wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health - all crimes under the Geneva Convention."

Israel is already in gross breach of its human rights commitments under the specific provisions of the EU-Israel Association Agreement on trade which should be cancelled on the grounds of non-compliance by Israel.

EU and Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)

Israel is not a party to any of the major treaties governing WMD nonproliferation, including the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), and the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BTWC). It has signed, but not ratified, the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) and the Chemicals Weapons Convention (CWC).

However, Israel is believed to possess a large nuclear arsenal plus an undeclared, offensive biological weapons program that are both concealed from inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency of the UN.

She is also widely suspected of having fitted her three German-built Dolphin class submarines to deliver nuclear, sea-launched, cruise missiles (SLCM).

Many of these systems are believed to have been constructed with US aid notwithstanding the fact that Israel refuses to be bound by virtually any of the international agreements on nuclear non-proliferation or the delivery of weapons of mass destruction that have been ratified by the majority of the democratic nations of the world, including Britain and America, Germany, France, Spain, Japan, Australia, South Africa, Russia and twenty five others.

It is suggested that these facts alone should be sufficient to cause grave concern, particularly to the 27 member states of the European Union - who could be directly affected by any Mideast conflict that involved the use of weapons of mass destruction - whether nuclear, biological or chemical. Such weapons recognize no national boundaries and could quickly contaminate neighbouring states, causing widespread death and destruction on a scale never before experienced in this, or any other, time.

For the EU to agree to let the status quo stand, would seem to be an illogical, perverse and dangerous position that impacts the security, not only of EU member states, but also of world peace.
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