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Carl Bildt slams EU president over Turkey

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Published: 16 Nov 2010 12:25 GMT+01:00

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"To talk about enlargement policy and only name the western Balkans, and in a number of speeches forget Turkey, is a little strange and raises questions.

And it's not a good thing," Bildt told Swedish public radio, referring in particular to a speech by Van Rompuy in Berlin last week.

In a blog entry posted on November 10th -- a day after the speech given in connection with the anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall -- Bildt said Van Rompuy's "silence on Turkey is as significant as it is remarkable."

"He is the European Council's chairman and must represent the policy the European Union decided on," he continued.

Sweden, and Bildt in particular, is a strong supporter of Turkey's entry into the European Union.

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Turkey began accession talks in 2005, but has since only succeeded in closing one of 35 chapters that need to be negotiated, with 18 blocked either by the EU as a whole, by the Greek Cypriot-led government, or by France.

When asked on Tuesday about the fact that that Van Rompuy had never visited Turkey nor met with Turkish officials, Bildt said "I expect it is on his agenda to have such a meeting."

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12:57 November 16, 2010 by MegaSchmegma
Why is Bildt so eager to have Europe flooded with Turks? Not to mention all of Turkey's neighbors........
13:30 November 16, 2010 by Usman
Why EU president is more eager to have western Balkans in EU to include more maffia?
13:55 November 16, 2010 by yigitcan
Because unlike you and obviously Von Rompuy , Bildt actually knows where Turkey stands, all the facts and fantasies about it, so he can reason with that knowledge and does the right thing for the sake of EU.
14:37 November 16, 2010 by truthworthy
I wonder why Turkey is so keen to join EU anyway. This union will not a welcome a country with Muslim majority so probably it is better for Turkey to focus its energy on somewhere else.
14:39 November 16, 2010 by captainkanga
Since when is Turkey apart of contribiting to Europe's history? Since when are they are part of europe? This is not correct by historical or geographical reasons..

Turkey is a new republic comes from the far east, under the ottoman empire...far from being european...and for those of you know..the ottomans were not in support of a healthy europe...so my vote is no...they belong where they are..
14:47 November 16, 2010 by Rishonim
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15:02 November 16, 2010 by Syftfel
I used to have respect for Bildt. Obviously van Rompuy havs more insight that Bildt does. Doesn't Bildt realize that Europeans, at this point, are opposed to Turkey as a component in a European Union. Having been to Turkey many times, worked there, have Turkish friends that I love dearly, a fascinating culture and good food, but they should definitely not become a member of the EU! Keep Turkey out!
15:04 November 16, 2010 by captainkanga
I suspect they are looking to expand europe for political reasons, growth reasons..and defense into the middleeast if and when tensions arise...
15:24 November 16, 2010 by Iraniboy
Bla bla...again our Xenophobic posters who can't even write the complete of Turkish people!! Funny these Xenophbic poster are already outside Europe in the US or in the UK which is already not fully European or those East European countries which were not European at soem points!! You should bless Sweden that it entered EU and contributed to the EU rather than criticizing it! If Turkey doesn't deserve the help of EU, your country doesn't deserve the help of Sweden!
15:29 November 16, 2010 by captainkanga
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16:08 November 16, 2010 by bubbagump
In a related manner, Turkey today forced NATO to remove Iran from it's formal list of potential missile threat nations. Turkey stated that their increased economic and political ties to Iran would be damaged if the wording singled out Iran as a missle threat to Europe.

Sweden has a very large Syriak Aramayik population. Why? Their homeland is in southern Turkey along the Kurdish border. Turkey began ethnic cleansing of this group due to their Christian religion. Yes, ethnic cleansing. Sweden offered refuge along with other countries. Sweden often condems Israel for displacing the Palestinians. Where is the continued outrage against Turkey?

Turkey has begun to systematically turn from their secular government in favor of a government more congenial to Islam. This was demonstrated in their last election cycle.

During the lead up to the Iraq war, Turkey, a NATO member, refused to allow US troops to move through their borders. It doesn't matter if you are for or against the war. This shows that Turkey only abides by their treaties when it suits them and when it doesn't, they side with their neighbors to the south. Not a good track record for EU membership.

Several thousand years ago, as the story goes, the Greeks defeated Troy using a wooden horse filled with Greek soldiers. Now, the Turks get to return the horse to the EU.
16:10 November 16, 2010 by eddie123
with the current islamophobia in parts of Europe, Turkey had better perish the idea of joining the EU. with careful planning (bi, tri, and multi-lateral agreements, economic and trade agreements etc), Turkey can become a stable majority of one in Europe. you don't have to be part of the EU to prosper in Europe. get your acts right and EU member countries will come begging for business deals.
16:15 November 16, 2010 by captainkanga
as far as im aware the majority of the EU does not trust turks anyway..
17:20 November 16, 2010 by quadratic

"like Mongol Turks...whom in history have been barbaric and low class citizens..."

You also know what was happening in Europe during the middle ages, right?

You also know that 60 years ago almost all Europeans were killing each other and some were baking Jews in the ovens, right?

You also know that just couple of years ago people who used to live together for many years in Balkans were cutting their throats, right?

Can you see increasing racism all over Europe, right?

Civilization, modernity, and technology are not given to or under the control of any group of people or nation. These are oscillating between east and west through the history. On the other hand it feels kind of OK to me that modernity and civilization as defined today in Europe can not enter inside the borders of Turkey. Turkey should evolve in a much more different way towards higher standards.
17:24 November 16, 2010 by Dave N
Bidt should really make a fuss about this. He should jump up and down and stamp his feet and make sure everyone knows that he and his party want the Turks to join the EU. Then Swedes will turn to the Sweden Democrats in ever increasing numbers - because no European with any sense wants even more Muslim re-enforcements to join the Islamic invaders who have already set up colonies in all of Western Europe's cities.
18:31 November 16, 2010 by DGritt
What can Turkey offer the EU?
19:22 November 16, 2010 by Matan
In one word:

19:24 November 16, 2010 by Evren
Tell me what makes EU so special. Christianity? I don't think so, i think its role is diminishing. European friendship? I don't think so you were just killing each other ruthlessly 60 years ago. Nobody's past is clean. It's obvious that its just business. So when it comes to business, Turkey is not very far from you. Invite them so both sides benefit. If you have a corporation, why don't enlarge it to become monopoly? Or wait for somebody else to buy you.
21:12 November 16, 2010 by GO74TR
make a political decision today the next day you can't say it was wrong or right only time will. i'm not a favorite of Turkey joining EU. just good partners ,Turkey is the 16th biggest economy in the world, first half 2010 econm growth of 10% only China does better ,30milj tourists and expected to be 50milj within 10 years ...etc, what has EU to offer?? super powers US and China they gone make the rules so get used to be humble
22:03 November 16, 2010 by cbe
I love when the people start to vilify countries. Nobody's past is clean. OK?

Turkey wants to join the EU because it has some benefits out of it. Not because they feel themselves as Europeans.That's how the things work in real life.

@quadratic, I agree with you.''Civilization, modernity, and technology are not given to or under the control of any group of people or nation. These are oscillating between east and west through the history. On the other hand it feels kind of OK to me that modernity and civilization as defined today in Europe can not enter inside the borders of Turkey. Turkey should evolve in a much more different way towards higher standards.''

@captainkanga, as far as you know, does majority of EU trust Bulgaria,Estonia,Latvia,Lithuania,Poland,Romania,Slovakia,Slovenia?
23:08 November 16, 2010 by throwaway
Is this a joke ?

Let me tell you the inside story as a Turkish person:

People in Turkey moved on and forgot long ago about the EU-related stuff.

Yes there was a time about a decade ago where such a possibility was more lively, but people in Turkey now know that after years and years of talk, EU is a christian club, and Turkey is just too culturally diverse to be fitted in the narrow EU ideology.

At the current pace, give it a decade or two and it will be EU asking Turkey to join it, if the latter accepts which I think shouldn't.

So nobody wants to join your EU, so you can keep it all you want, thank you very much.
23:09 November 16, 2010 by Antioche
I don't want to argue about Turkey's values and all that but it seems sincerity is not one of Europe's values. Politics demands to omit sincerity and truth in number of occasions but you cannot leave out an equal candidate state which is seeking membership for tens of years and integrated to Europe in many organizations. EU wants to take whatever it takes from Turkey with fooling them with this candinancy process.

Furthermore, I guess hatred and discrimination are back in play after 60 years of polyanna play with new artificial enemies and hatred against anyone or anything remotely related to a religion which is basically have the same grounds with others besides poor practices due to lack of education and wealth. See yourself above other human beings and lecture about human rights and stuff. Good for you!
23:16 November 16, 2010 by throwaway
Forgot to add, being western is just one of the traits of Turkey, so as a Turkish citizen I wouldn't want to lock Turkey in being only European.

We are also pre-dominantly Muslim, completely secular (more than most of EU countries) with a working democracy, have roots in Far-East and all over Middle-Asia all the while having a completely western everyday life.

Give it sometime and it will only get better.

Sure Europe is nice to visit from time to time, but Turkey is really just much more than just EU.

So have fun in EU, we prefer to visit from time to time but not to stay permanently.
00:10 November 17, 2010 by unseen
except from Germany & the UK, who the hell is Europ in comparison to Turkey.


get a life, five years time and 90% of European countries will be counted as second world countries, and for along time but only to third world countries. let's just wait for far east to emerge as the new super power...what a Scenario, isn't it :)
00:35 November 17, 2010 by redcrown
is swedish culture so bad that you want to change it or destroy it.Turkey huge population and totally different culture is so alien to swedish ways I can understand our government
04:12 November 17, 2010 by ericrufinosiah
I really don't understand how Carl Bildt was appointed FM by the Swedish Government ,when he critised the EU President for not including Turkey in the

enlargement of EU.Obviously,he doesn't read history because Turkey in the old

was known as Asia Minor and except for " Constantinople " and the " Sophia or'

church ,which is now known as Istanbul and the " what mosque " Turkey was never anywhere near Continental Europe.Perhaps,carl Bildt should have consulted

the people of Armenia before critising The EU PRESIDENT.
07:00 November 17, 2010 by Norrlands Turk
Another Turkey related thread hijacked by Armenia lovers. Get over it people.
08:42 November 17, 2010 by captainkanga
We should have not made an EU, we should let everyone keep there fricken identity....this globalisation is killing human kind...Im not against any race, but we cant keep changing our ideas and borders, cause someone wants to be a part of a 'common' EU group....the next thing we will be saying is make ASIA apart of Europe..etc etc...the madness that the USA has started must stop...

To all the Turks out there 'no offence' but i'd be happy to stay Turkish and build what you have over the last 50 yrs and keep going...forget EU and USA...
09:07 November 17, 2010 by tsamed@hotmail.com

I dont know who you are or what you are. But it is clear for me that you are i kind of incompitent. To talk about Turkey as a barbars, and a country whou doesnt fits into EU with so basic and low reasons as you come with, shows only that you wear a horse glasses and you are conservative in your mind..

To talk about Turks as barbars because of the Ottoman empiria is just one single reason why I dont take you seriusly.. Read more about what Turks are and how the Ottomans were.. And read it from many different articles. That will not change your mind, but atleast you will have stronger arguments..


Thank you for a great comment. I know and agree about that Turkey isnt perfect. But from a historicle perspective does almost all countris have some negative aspects..

So thank you for a good comment about the past in Europe..
09:07 November 17, 2010 by RobinHood
Turkey today responded to Carl Bildt's complaint that Turkey was not included in a list of countries eligible to join the EU. Turkey's finance minister said "Bildt should mind his own business, people might take him seriously and actually ask Turkey to join the EU. Why would we want to join that economic meltdown? The single currency experiment is a disaster. Our neighbours Greece have humiliated themselves and the EU. Ireland is next for the chop. We Turks, look forward to watching the whole corrupt economic and political experiment collapse, just as it deserves. Who knows, in a few years, we might invite some of our neighbours to join us in a single eastern Mediterranean currency pegged to the Turkish Lira."

In an aside to an aide, the foreign minister was overheard to say, "They can stick their European Union up their ……. (lost in translation).
10:22 November 17, 2010 by captainkanga
Turkey Republic was founded 1921..its in crisis right now due to its islamic image (secular vs non-secular) a country which is divided due to its roots from the Ottomans...please dont tell me your country is perfect, Greece is in no more trouble than any other country in the EU or world right, Your human rights record is disgraceful, you are almost considered 3rd world...as most of you population are poor and living like animals.

Greece is the birthplace of human democracy and civilisation so please dont educate me..and Istanbul (former) constantinople was the heart of the Greek Byzantine flourishing period...so pls dont embarrass yourself..

Turks cannot be trusted...BE WARE.
11:00 November 17, 2010 by marianne667
I wish that Sweden had never become a member of the union. It is hard to be under their thumb and it is getting worse having to bail out other members. The union needs Turkey like a hole in the head!
11:12 November 17, 2010 by Kevin Harris

"Since when is Turkey a part of contribiting to Europe's history?"

Quite right, what have the Turks done for us?

Well there's the Byzantines.

Oh yes, apart from the Byzantines, what have the Turks done for us?

Well, there's the Hittites and the Ottomans.

Ahhh, ok, apart from the Byzantine, Hittite and Ottoman empires, what have the Turks done for us?

Well, the Haga Sofia is a very nice building.

Quite right, ok, apart from the Byzantine, Hittite and Ottoman empires, and the Haga Sofia, what have the Turks done for us?

Monty Python fans know the rest
11:18 November 17, 2010 by tsamed@hotmail.com
OK Captainkanga, Continue like that. Congruatulation for your deep knowledge. You are so clever, sorry that I couldnt see that..

Your theory is just perfect..
11:27 November 17, 2010 by captainkanga
its not theory...its written in every academic history book and taught in all schools, univeristies in the world you moron..
11:28 November 17, 2010 by Gurkhan

Since 12th century Turks have dwelled in certain parts of Europe, when the Finns and Magyars(Hungarians that have a Turkic origin as well) were still coming from the central asia. Most Eastern European nations have roots in the farther east, let alone the mediterranean nations mixture with the north africans. But still I am wondering since when Europe has become a RACIST Union to label someone as being "not european enough" when it is clearly part of europe through centuries long affairs with other empires/states of europe. for your information, Turkish people have been accepted as a consolidated member of the european family since 1862 PARIS conference... so, go learn your history books correctly and take that white KKK mask off your head please...

if you were to disagree turkish membership for economic reasons, on which the union is based, i might have not viewed you being as such a blind racist, but even then i would have to tell you that turkey at the moment produces lots and lots of products of daily use for the whole EU; you wouldn't be able to see this fact of course as it would be hard to perceive turkey as an industrial power with the 15th largest industrial economy in the world...
11:36 November 17, 2010 by throwaway
Regarding captainkanga

Obviously he is a troll.

Don't let fools hijack the discussion or anybody as insane as him.

Just ignore him and he will go away.
11:37 November 17, 2010 by yigitcan
As simple as it gets, Turkey dont give a damn about being a part of Europe.

All those trying to put differences between Europeans ( group of Christians happen to be living in the same continent called Europe) and Turks should realize that EU is not just an aristocratic tea party that only exclusive members can get together and enjoy. Its BUSINESS. Turkey is just getting better and better economically at the same time keeping its secular and democratic regime (that is something that will never ever ever change as long as Turkish Republic exists, so calm down some of you.. ) In a decade or two we will see Turkey joining the EU, not because it satisfies some bullshit dead end criteria, but because Europe desperately needs Turkey in their side in terms of financial outcomes.

PS: All those anti-Turks here, trolling comments by referencing biased expired history, trying to draw some attention... just f'ck off...
11:43 November 17, 2010 by captainkanga
you dont replace history you idiot..its there in our footprints and DNA...uneducated people...make this world as sick as it gets...
11:56 November 17, 2010 by throwaway
don't let captainidiot above me hijack the discussion, don't even reply to him, just ignore him.

@yigitcan @quadratic

Perfect comments. Turkey was lacking confidence in the previous decade but now it finally realized that if the job is going to be done, it will be done not by EU or NATO or whatever, but by just working hard.

A prime example of this before in television people would often say "this does not happen at all in developped countries" regarding an incident in Turkey and comparing it to West.

Now people simple say: "This is not acceptable in today's Turkey". Shows that people realized nobody or imported ideas will genuinely help us but ourselves.

This is not only good for Turkey but also for the whole world. Imagine another.

Germany is in place of Turkey, radiating stability to the region. More scientists, more artists, more engineers to make the world a better place.

Turkey has a lot more capabilities than squeezing in the narrow EU definition. Sure we want to be close friends and flirt but not necessarily marry EU.
11:58 November 17, 2010 by tsamed@hotmail.com
Pleas show us one realistic article or information or paper where it is writing thatr the population in Turkey is living like animals.

You are just an little incompitent morron. Probably you have never been in Turkey, You have no Turkish friends ( or do you have any friends), you dont know what you talk about, you cannot disscus with respect. you cannot take critic.

I am so disapinted at myself that I even take a person like you seriusly and even discuss with you. you are soo Extra Small for me, and most of those people here that I even dont know why I in first place wrote a comment to you..

Take your theory (and dont tell that it is a historical paper from institus and so on) JUST TAKE YOUR THEORY, and continue, you may find some peaples whics ar so clever as you, so you can have a good moment togheter and critisize Turkey or whatever..
12:03 November 17, 2010 by captainkanga
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12:05 November 17, 2010 by tsamed@hotmail.com

You are funny :)
12:08 November 17, 2010 by captainkanga
Your a moron...do you even know where the founding father of modern turkey (Mustafa Kemal Atatürk ) was born? Its called 'Thessaloniki' - Greece, he is a Greek born man...moron...

Stay away from these forums if you dont know your knowledge..
12:14 November 17, 2010 by yigitcan
ohh OK ppl captainmoron is a greek friend. ok let him speak out :) captainkanga I have a suggestion for you. Please go and find some greek hater moron Turkish people (unfortunately they exist too ) like yourself and form up a forum or something and curse each other all day long. We all are over that. So I think you should be the one who leaves this forum...
12:15 November 17, 2010 by tsamed@hotmail.com
Do you know that Thessalonki in those time belongs to ottoman?? oo now you didnt.. You Hellas are allways like this. Kebab is also from greece, baklava is also from greece, cyprus is also greece what more :) AN now Atatürk is also fropm greece..

haha, really are you a stand-up comidien or are you serius. I dont get it? what are you?
12:19 November 17, 2010 by captainkanga
oh..did you know that the entire east coast of modern day turkey was hellenic before your czars and mongols raped and murdered us..??
12:20 November 17, 2010 by tsamed@hotmail.com
My dear Friends,

(when I say friends I realy dont men you captainkanga)

I is enough for me, I can not take this morron anymore. so I am leaving now.

I just want to say that, I think it is better for all of us to just ignore this person who just use a very litle percent of his brain capacity alone. So he and his little brain cells togheter can have a good discussion..

Take care averybody.

And thank you for some free stand-up program captainkanga
12:23 November 17, 2010 by captainkanga
run..fast...truth is there in the books...and in people knowledgable minds...and like i said before nothing against the wonderful modern turkey...lovely place I have been there, and for you information I am from Scotland...
12:40 November 17, 2010 by Russ Cobleigh
screw turkey, all they export is drugs! and what about their human rights record?!
12:51 November 17, 2010 by Iraniboy
Woww the level of Xenophobia and Racism in this forum is extremely high!!

Just a note to those racist posters:

Turkish people are not as dark as your think and many of them are not Muslim either. Relax they are white!
14:34 November 17, 2010 by captainkanga
We are not racists, but when a westerner goes to an Islamic country, who gets better treatment, the Arab here in Sweden or the Swede in Iraq? Who is Xenophobic? How many migrants live in Western Countries (USA, UK, Nordic, Australia etc etc) and get the full social support, and vice versa, Islam is a dark religion and closed to the rest of the world...We try to open our arms to Islamic countries and warm you like our own, but we know in your homes you talk bad...thats why Turkey wont join, cause the leaders dont feel that trust...

Its pure double standards..
18:27 November 17, 2010 by cbe

You said that "oh..did you know that the entire east coast of modern day turkey was hellenic before your czars and mongols raped and murdered us..?? "

First, there is not a coast on the east of Turkey. Maybe you wanted to say west coast of Turkey.

Second, who were living there(west coast) before the Hellenic period? Or, was it some empty land and Hellenic people just discovered there?

@And about the Islam and and its darkness. Belive me, Islam has good years but also bad years in time; just like Christianity. It is the people who does everything.
21:01 November 17, 2010 by planet.sweden
Since Carl Bildt, Reinfeldt and friends came to power Swedish immigration has soared to around 100,000 per year, or 450,000 immigrants in total since Sept 2006. These figures per head of population outstrip even the UK's reckless excesses in this arena.

The reason for this surge is that dry economists like Moderaterna believe that big businesses interests are best served by the free movement of "labour" which forces down employee costs, and boosts profits. Indigenous workers suffer of course, but not people like Bildt and Mr and Mrs Reinfeldt, so that's ok then.

It's a classic case of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Bildt now seems to believe that Sweden needs to absorb (ok forget absorb, be swamped by) several million more muslim immigrants from Turkey to help boost company profits further, and of course the value of his home in Karlavagen.

Bidlt and Reinfeldt are classic examples of aloof, detached, tinder dry, business obsessed conservatives incapable iof understanding that there's more to a society than bucks.
21:20 November 17, 2010 by Abbot

Turkey is 99.8% Muslim and they are not white. Many of us have traveled there and we know what we see with our own eyes.
21:32 November 17, 2010 by planet.sweden
@Kevin Harris

Your history of Turkey is a totally misguided. There was nothing in the Ottoman Empire which was positive, and certainly nothing that it did for Europe other than invade it at the point of a sword.

The Turkish Ottoman Empire was infamous the world over for its sheer brutality. Now you try and cite it as an example of Turkish "good". Incredible. Please read more widely.

Not for nothing did Winston Churchill want to use WWI as an opportunity to "kick the Turkish invaders out of Europe" once and for all. He was appalled by their barbarism.
22:47 November 17, 2010 by cbe

What do you think about the past of humanity? Do you think that is there any country whose past is clean? Or are we going to keep saying "ok, my country's past is not clean but yours is dirtier"
23:04 November 17, 2010 by Bumblebeetuna
If Turkey fulfills all the requirements then all EU member states will have gained trust. The EU would welcome Turkey in i'm sure. Islam, Christianity, What's the difference? I think the EU president just didn't think they had met enough requirements yet. If they make a few more steps towards qualifying I'm sure He'll mention Turkeys membership.
08:52 November 18, 2010 by Kevin Harris

Oh dear. Please try and read a post properly before you comment on it. If you don't it makes you look like a fool.

First, I can assure you the history of Turkey and Anatolia included; the Hittites, the Byzantiums, the Ottomans and the Haga Sofia.

Secondly, none of those things were offered as examples of "good" things. They were offered in response to poor Captainkangas statement that Turkey has made no contribution to European history. Once again, I can assure you these civilizations made a significant contribution.

Thirdly, you have the temerity to misquote me. I did not use the word "good" as you have misquoted from my post at #34. This is not so much a misquote as a blatant lie. Those who have to lie to prove a point really need re-evaluate their values before posting here. The only point they prove is their own moral deficiency. I am sure Sir Winston Churchill might have a thing or two to say about that too.
08:55 November 18, 2010 by samwise
any organization should be selective with the members, the only place that is not selective is the trash can.

I wish Sweden is not in EU.
09:57 November 18, 2010 by planet.sweden
Sorry @Kevin Harris but you're an arse. Ok I'm not sorry it's your mother's problem not mine.

But to try and help you with your GCSE level history, The Ottoman Empire stretched from about 1300 to the mid 1920s ie all of Turkey's primary history relevant to today.

Your trying to delve back to the Byzantium era circa 650 is rather irrelevant and indeed misleading. The Byzantiums were Christian, They were overthrown by the mulsims in a bloody war. After which followed muslim rule cumlinated in the expansionist and bruttal muslim Ottoman Empire. So to try and present the Byzantiums as an example of Turkey's contribution to the world is pretty asenine!

Your idea of Turkey's "contribution" seems to be something of a moving goal post as well. When most people talki about making a "contribution", they mean good things, positive things. You could always try telling your boss that you'dmade a "contribution" to the company after trashing a project but I do't think he or she would be impressed.

And If with take your definition then Nazi Germany made a big "contribution" to European history. It was noteworthy, but it wasn't a positive contribution in the way that Captainkangas meant.

But while we on the topic of Turkish "contributions", you omitted the Armenian Holocaust carried out by the Ottoman Turks in 1915-16 and widely recognised as as the inspiration for Hitler's Jewish Holocaust 25 years later.

PS when people start using hyperbolic phrases like "blatant lie" in forums I know I'm talking to a truculent student pric.k. Do try and grow up.
10:10 November 18, 2010 by Iraniboy
The very liberal and high morality of Swedes and Sweden are not compatible with other some other European countries. That's why they sometimes don't understand each other!
12:18 November 18, 2010 by Hagrid
Bildt's absurd thinking is incomprehensible. Has he been totally blind to all of Turkey's antics in the recent year? And especially to the militant Islamist who is their Prime Minister, and his belligerant rhetorics? Clearly, such behavior does not belong in Europe.
13:33 November 18, 2010 by Alf Garnett
Bildts an idiot, Turkey & the Turks don't belong in the EU, 99% of the country is in Asia, their humanitarian record speaks for itself.

They'll have to stay on their own cos' the Arabs don't want'em either
14:45 November 18, 2010 by Iraniboy
It is so amazing to see so many Xenophobic posters at the same place :D

For these Xenophobic people Turkish people's colour, language, religion, history is the main criteria for talking about them while in civilised societies like Sweden humans are treated all the same no matter what you believe and what colour you have.
15:53 November 18, 2010 by Alf Garnett
@iraniboy: not zenophobic, just anti Turk.

How come the Turks have never beem invited into the Arab league? Would it have anything to do with there oppression & torture of the Arab people during the Ottaman reign?
15:58 November 18, 2010 by RobinHood
When exposed as a liar, and brief examination of posts #34 and #57 show that is precisely what has happened to you, the best response is to lay low and hope people don't notice.

Insulting other poster's mothers, merely draws attention to your predicament, and confirms our earlier suspicions of your wisdom and values.

Fortunately, my dear old mother is long past worrying about that sort of thing.

If you need guidance about any other social skills, please ask me.
16:29 November 18, 2010 by domestos
Turkey is not in EU, but the Turks are in EU. They first migrated to Europe as workers and of course the majority of the turks today belong to the lower class due to integration problems/policies. However, it started to change recently.

It was rather difficult for a Turkish student in Turkey to get a master's education from European universities about a decade ago. But not anymore due to the increasing education level in Turkey . Especially in Germany, Italy, UK,Netherlands, Denmark and France you can easily come across turks at the campuses of famous universities.

Many of them at these universities have good English skills and it is not a problem for them to get a job at international companies after getting master degrees. There are also many students that pursue a PhD in some other universities.

You can be against the idea of Turkey being a member of EU, but not turks' being a part of Europe.

Please update your knowledge in general and do not repeat what you have been hearing from your parents. And you should better get used to the idea of having a turkish manager and maybe start to get rid of your prejudgements against "Turks". Because they are updating themselves faster than you think.
17:35 November 18, 2010 by throwaway
wow the obsession of Europeans with Turks are really amazing.

@Alf Garnett

It's because Turkey is secular and proves you can be Muslim and secular, as you might have guessed Arabs are not pleased with that.

Plus Turks are not Arabs so, why join the Arab League. We are already in the Muslim League though, casually participating.


The Ottoman Empire contributed nothing to the world?

I'm afraid the Department of Eastern Studies at Harvard and Princeton and their 38 professors begs to differ.

Surely, you are an arse yourself. I advise you to finish your primary school and proceed with more education.

I said it again and I'll say it again, keep your EU, we don't need it. Geez..
18:39 November 18, 2010 by cbe

Firstly, how did the Byzantine Empire accept Christianity as their religon. I mean first the Roman Empire and then the Byzantine of course. Or did they fight against the Christinaity at first and then was constrained to accept Christianity.

Secondly, You are saying "The Byzantiums were Christian, They were overthrown by the mulsims in a bloody war. ".

What if the Byzantines won that "bloody war". Were they going to welcome Ottomans?
23:32 November 18, 2010 by BERTRAM
Yu all must drink some Beaujolais Nouveau...

Turkey is in Asia and in Europe, nothing new---

Are yu drinkin a glass half-empty or half-tuck
01:32 November 19, 2010 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Carl Bildt is a great man!
06:37 November 19, 2010 by Mr. Puppy
Why has this issue become about everything that it is not about?

If Turkey wants to join the EU it needs to make swift and decisive progress on the 35 areas that are required for all countries who want to join the EU.

If Turkey doesn't meet these goals, then they can't join. Why is Bildt acting like it is Europe keeping Turkey out when it is in fact Turkey's own government that is being slow to reform? And why doesn't Carl Bildt actually meet with Cypriot officials and citizens to discuss why their position is the way it is. Instead of making accusations towards them as being obstructionist he should actually take some time to learn why people in the region feel the way they do.
08:07 November 19, 2010 by MC7669
Is Mr. Bilt aware of the Killing\masaker in the Northen of Turky by the Turkish army. Is Mr. Bilt want to give a gift to the Turkish dictator for the genosid of the Arminian people condamded by Sweden just few months ago? How about the Humanitarian rights!?? How about the suport of Turky to the Iranian dictator regime!?? I wonder where Sweden will be in 5 or 10 years........very sad!!! I feel that Mr. Bilt lost is dignity!! a very dangerous turn for Sweden to Support dictatory regim with blod on their hands!!!
11:26 November 19, 2010 by Dave N
Turkey has not really changed since Ottoman times. Don't forget the anti-Christian pogoms in the 1950s in Constantinople (in which rape and mutilation were rampant) or the recent murders of Christian priests in Turkey in the past few years. And don't forget that the current Turkish leader ( who was once jailed for religious hatred against non-Muslims ) is a Muslim fanatic who once said -"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers."

Letting Turkey into the EU would prove to be just as catastrophic as dragging into their city an innocent looking but very large wooden horse was to the Trojans.
14:32 November 19, 2010 by eakyol
Turkish people are not in love with EU.Opinion polls indicates that 65-70% of nation is against EU-membership. Secondly, Turkey is not a banana republic.Turkey is now 17th biggest economy in the world and a proud member of G-20.Turkey grew by 10% in the fisrt half of this year and it's expected to grow at a rate of 8,2% in 2010.
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