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Refugee child denied care by Swedish hospital

TT/The Local/dl · 24 Nov 2010, 08:42

Published: 24 Nov 2010 08:42 GMT+01:00

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The boy, originally from Somalia, sought treatment for a broken arm that hadn’t healed properly, Svergies Radio (SR) reports.

Pain from the poorly healed break, which occurred while the boy was living in a transitional housing facility in Italy, made it difficult for him to sleep, prompting him to seek medical attention in Sweden.

He visited Kärnsjukhuset, the largest facility within the Skaraborg Hospital system in Skövde, where he had his arm x-rayed by an orthopedic specialist.

While the doctor said an operation was necessary, he refused to go ahead with the surgery in part because he claimed the hospital would only reimbursed by the Migration Board for emergency care.

Even though health authorities for Västra Götaland region explained to the hospital that Swedish laws stipulate that children seeking asylum have the same right to healthcare as other children, the hospital nevertheless refused to treat the boy.

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Now Mölndal municipality, where the 16-year-old first came when he first arrived in Sweden, has reported the hospital to the National Board of Health and Welfare (Socialstyrelsen).

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09:15 November 24, 2010 by ericrufinosiah
The Somali boy's injury occured while he was in a transitional

housing facility in Italy and how come he is now in Sweden.?
09:29 November 24, 2010 by salalah
The pain prompted the boy to fly to Sweden from Italy?
09:40 November 24, 2010 by thinkright24
@eric and salalah: you are probably thinking like that doctor. i think the boy should get the treatment. there will be enough time to investigate in how did the boy reach sweden.
09:47 November 24, 2010 by Luckystrike
Send him back to Italy and let them send him back to Somalia. I'd rather my tax money be spend on something more important.
10:01 November 24, 2010 by Serendipitiz
Good one, Lucky Strike! I agree with you. Let's ship unaccompanied children back to where they came from, preferably in containers (we'd save more tax money than if we flew them back). Oh, maybe cattle cars would be even more economical? I mean, children are children... they're everywhere, and it's not like we're running out of them in the near future, right? Especially Somalian children.... we could swing through Poland and possibly visit those little summer camps the Germans built when they were holidaying there?

I'd love to see a statement of how much tax you pay, and how much you actually squeeze of the system, you who shout the loudest about "your" tax money. It's one thing to focus your hatred on adults, and another completely to deny children health care, no matter WHAT the circumstances.
10:08 November 24, 2010 by miss79
selfish way to say luckystrike!
10:09 November 24, 2010 by occassional
Can't help think of the doctor in Örebro who was attacked by the relatives of a post-labour bleeding woman. It seems, one gets in trouble for both treating OR not treating these people with strange notions of entitlement. What's this Italy to Sweden charade anyway?
10:11 November 24, 2010 by unseen

well said,

unfortunately, i just have a crazy wish...i wish that this tax payer be in a situation same as the kid's!!! only for one day..............
10:28 November 24, 2010 by heroine
Above of everything humanity comes first...shame on that Doctor!!!

Would the same be done to children from other parts of the world ?

Shame shame shame !!!
10:37 November 24, 2010 by foxpur
This is not a new event...

My own daughter, who is a Swedish native but living in UK, was visiting grandparents and refused because I wouldn't pay 'up-front'. Here is the news story from back then:

10:38 November 24, 2010 by Ranjit T Edward
Well said Serendipitz!!! As you rightly said, the ones that scream about the burden on tax payers, are the ones that bleed the system. Unseen, you not alone on that wish. My wish is tenfold on him.

It seems like doctors these days have put away the Hippocratic Oath that they so proudly did take on graduation. This doctor must be dealt with severely as he put financial gains or losses of the hospital before the well being of a human being.
10:43 November 24, 2010 by aaww

think it twice, there is no pain for this guys, otherwise, he would's have flown from Italy to a hospital in Sweden. imaging the distance, it's more than 2000 KMs !!!

will you fly to a Italian hospital if you are in a serious pain?
10:43 November 24, 2010 by Rap43
Luckystrike Said:

"Send him back to Italy and let them send him back to Somalia. I'd rather my tax money be spend on something more important."

This is a human being. A child. Your callous, inhuman indifference is revolting.

Then again, I suppose you do not accept that a Somali boy is as human as a genetically pure Swede...

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10:45 November 24, 2010 by unforgiven
@ Serendipitiz

Well said!

I would urge 'Luckystrike' to go and check its tax papers again. BTW come on, you can not be so serious against children!? they are just innocent.
10:48 November 24, 2010 by engagebrain
A child in pain and in Sweden should be treated - basic decency.
10:56 November 24, 2010 by Ranjit T Edward
I bet this rabid idiot called Luckystrike is not of Swedish genetic order. Hidden and collected somewhere inside this person are 'scum' genes of humanity.
11:10 November 24, 2010 by stenhuggaren
one of the worst in that category is SD's Kent Ekeroth and he declared 16,500 kronor in income for 2009. This year as an MP - living entirely on taxpayers money - he will at least return a little more of it.
11:11 November 24, 2010 by Luckystrike
There are nearly 1 billion hungry people in the world, and nearly 20,000 children die everyday from stavation and you think i care the slightest about a boy that Sweden could spend 100's of thousands kronor helpig him sleep better at night ??? Hell no.

I would say "Your callous, inhuman indifference is revolting"

(P.S im not Swedish in the slightest, pay well over 100k in tax every year which obviosuly means i work hard and dont need to "squeeze" the system)
11:12 November 24, 2010 by marianne667
I am sure this will all be sorted out once it runs through all the bureaucratic problems. The hospital probably has been told not to be free w/ services w/o proper authorization. There is a problem w/ underage unaccompanied patients. Good luck to the boy who has already suffered more than any child should!
11:22 November 24, 2010 by Ranjit T Edward
Well Luckystrike if you dont care the slightest, then keep your trap shut and don't be a disgrace to the rest of us here who care about humanity.

Clearly the fact that you made a comment, means that it hit the nerve of a being (if that even suits you)who is totally disgruntled with the fact that a refugee must be given assistance.
11:24 November 24, 2010 by just a question
We all should have some sort of degree as surgeons so in the next future we could performe surgery in ourselves or our family and friends, since the tax money seems to be more and more limited every day.

I'm going to buy some bottles of anesthesia. You never know.
11:27 November 24, 2010 by Must
@Luckystrike what a shame...

"1 billion hungry people in the world, and nearly 20,000 children die everyday from stavation...." coz people like you dont want to spend a Penny to improve the situation...
11:33 November 24, 2010 by Luckystrike
It's no use debating with people that have an IQ of less than 5.
11:52 November 24, 2010 by Ugly Indian
@ luckyStrike I am also paying the same amount of tax thanks god i have not same thinking as you have for humanity Guyz be patient these people are mentally sick with this kind of thinking Cheerz
11:58 November 24, 2010 by truthworthy
Some people on this forum are so cruel, no matter where the boy came from or what his background is, he has the right to healthcare per swedish law. Shame on you and the doctor. You people are selfish arrogant bigots.
12:03 November 24, 2010 by Keith #5083
It seems that it is not so much a broken arm that is in need of treatment but more a broken system and a severely disjointed compassion..


How do you cope with breathing the same air as the rest of us?
12:06 November 24, 2010 by Syftfel
As someone who is strongly opposed to mass immigration where the beneficiaries subsist on Swedish tax payer funds, I will still go on record as saying that 'Emergency Care' must be given to all, regardless of immigration status or ability to pay. Emphasis on "Emergency". We can then discuss subject's immigration status. And I'm sure there's a lot to say there. And if need be; treat him, then deport him.
12:11 November 24, 2010 by Ranjit T Edward
Precisely L.strike...finally something intelligent said by you. No point in debating with IQ < 5 category.

What the hell are you doing here then???

Go get some lessons, and take your IQ to at least 10% of that threshold you set...if that is even possible!
12:18 November 24, 2010 by miss79
luckystrike, ur so ego n mean..i hope oneday karma will get back to u..u might never know when ur gonna be in trouble again coz life is short..make good deeds will ya!
12:22 November 24, 2010 by heroine
@ luckyStrike

I would say Hell is widely opened for you....your place isn't here. your kind brings only misery to mankind.
12:22 November 24, 2010 by Luckystrike

A predictable response and proof that you CAN beat natural selection.
12:29 November 24, 2010 by Ranjit T Edward
L.S is clearly living his or her hell already. It is so apparent that there does exists some very unhappy souls out there. Souls that belong to the genetic scum pool.
12:39 November 24, 2010 by asian123
first of all he is not 16 years old.

illegal immigrant always say that they are CHILDREN.

i sure is above 20 years old. but there is no paper to prove his age.

if he is really a child it is reasonable to treat him (age 0 to 14).

most people from middle east and north africa come like this and say they are BOYS?????????????????.

they just came here to squeese the system and to do rape and killings just like we have seen one month back in götaborg.
13:00 November 24, 2010 by red.king
Shame on the doctor and shame on the hospital.
13:03 November 24, 2010 by Must
@asian123 thanks for sharing some inside information.... someone is in pain and you will ask for the age and nationality and you will only help if it meets certain criteria???

i am not supporting killing or rape but what you saying its only the illegal immigrant that squeeze the system and do rape and killing... ????
13:14 November 24, 2010 by asian123

doctor can treat only if he pays the money.

you are wondering how can he pay the money.

i am wondering how come without money or some relatives ????? in sweden can travel such a great distance from somalia to sweden crossing many countries.

i am sure he has money. he had to pay for treatment otherwise bear the pain.

i am sure that he know everything and how to get money from somewhere and he had a great determination.

but he has to pay for treatment.

or you can pay for treatment if are that much sympathise with so called BOY or HUMAN BEING. contakt skövde hospital. because doctor is worrying about money and who will pay for his treatment.
13:38 November 24, 2010 by Must
@asian123: now it is something else that he needs certificate from you to be considered as a boy or human being.

I guess few people here find it difficult to read and understand...

"Even though health authorities for Västra Götaland region explained to the hospital that Swedish laws stipulate that children seeking asylum have the same right to healthcare as other children, the hospital nevertheless refused to treat the boy."

but he refuse to perform the treatment... i guess he must have the same thinking as above..."he think he is not a BOY or HUMAN BEING."
13:39 November 24, 2010 by thinkright24
@awww . there could be several other reasons, they boy may not have money to go to doctors in italy. all i am concerned is that the boy has a bad arm, and it would be good for him if he gets the treatment. financial/social and all other matters come next, humanity should be the first thing.
13:52 November 24, 2010 by Ranjit T Edward
Asian123, how do you know for a fact he is not 16? Is that also based on your assumptions that all of them lie about age?

If your assumption that they come and kill and rape...we must have over 15,000 killings and rapes every year just going by the number of refugees that come in yearly.

You said, Doctors do not treat if a patient don't pay. On the contrary doctors MUST treat when a patient needs medical assistance. that is the only criteria that qualifies a doctor to treat. The doctors, in sweden too take an oath on graduation, that a human beings medical needs comes before anything else.

You need to educate yourself on how these people come from so far away in search of a right to a decent and self-respecting life. Not all of them are cheating the system. Most of them genuinely fear for their lives. You need to take a look at the life of Nyamko Sabuni, a member of The Riksdag. Coming to a country looking for a safe and better life is not illegal. That is not according to me, it is according the EU and UN human rights declaration. Which by the was ratified by Sweden.

The reason MUST and most of us, feel ashamed is because our tax money is NOT being used for a human being in need of medical attention. Something, which most of us more than willingly give for.
14:06 November 24, 2010 by Rishonim
Where has human compassion gone? The kid is in need of medical assistance and all you guys can come up with is to send him back? How disgraceful! They should reprimand that doctor for his refusal to assist the child
14:08 November 24, 2010 by asian123
@Ranjit T Edward

thats what doctor told . he can treat only emergency case without checking . that is they promised when they graduate.

this is not emegency case.

do you know at what age Nyamko Sabuni came to sweden and how many years back.

go and check statistics from SCB. if you have logic you will come to know.

sweden democrats found many irregularities in immigration and most swedish people also felt that one. thats why social democrats are punished for irresponsible immigration in their ruling.
14:11 November 24, 2010 by pjtaipale

>one of the worst in that category is SD's Kent Ekeroth and he

>declared 16,500 kronor in income for 2009.

Now tell me, is that a) too much, or b) too little? I suppose you'd complain about either one, or perhaps both?
14:11 November 24, 2010 by capt
In the US he would have been treated in the ER no quiestions asked.
14:15 November 24, 2010 by Ranjit T Edward
The article clearly says that the boy had a broken arm that did not heal. That is something that must be attended to urgently.

My point in case about Nyamko and her family was that everyone has a right to life and self-determination.

Well, going by the response on this forum, it clearly shows that most swedish people do NOT feel that way. And that is heartwarming!
14:15 November 24, 2010 by unseen

"with so called BOY or HUMAN BEING"

i always try to skip your sick comments....BUT, as far as you went this time, i just can't believe that i can despise someone's comment that much!

i fear one day comes and you will be a father and will have children...they will need help for sure...i am not religious, but i would pray for them.................
14:19 November 24, 2010 by Ranjit T Edward
Precisely Rishonim!! A clear case where everything else comes above humanity. The doctor needs to have his license cancelled!
14:30 November 24, 2010 by asian123

it is not about my child or your child.

if any person or country breeding too much children(irrespective of culture or religion) that concern person or that country is responsible for that.

do you know average children per woman in somalia or afghnistan?

or do you know average children per woman in sweden who came from somalia?

you can go out and check the streets of your city where you are living.
14:40 November 24, 2010 by Must
@Ranjit T Edward... i agree with U.

There is no point arguing with @asian123.

I read some where "Dont argue with an idiot coz he/she will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience!"
14:48 November 24, 2010 by Ranjit T Edward
Exactly Must...was thinking the same. I am amazed that there are people in this day and age, whose capacity to think does not even surpass a stone at the bottom of a cesspool. The very touching thing though is the that most people do have a heart that goes out beyond their ego. Cheers for all of them and us.
14:56 November 24, 2010 by asian123
@Ranjit T Edward

" I am amazed that there are people in this day and age, whose capacity to think does not even surpass a stone at the bottom of a cesspool. "

i am also amazed that in the modern time still people reading religious books.

still not eating pork for fear of something.

still wearing veils and burqua.

stil threatning cartoonists and writers and movies directors.

like you i am also wondering .

ha ha ha.
15:12 November 24, 2010 by grantike
its really a shame for the doctor to follow the law in this case.i have friend from london who moved here two years ago with the so called coordination number he was refused care by hospital on appointment but it took him 1 hour to plan an emergency plot by making his girlfriend fake an emergency even though his case very serious he was rushed back to the hospital and he got every single care immediately that's the system everyone needs care first then issues later.life is worth a lot
15:18 November 24, 2010 by ironman294
Shame on this so-called doctor, who nly cares about the bottom line. In the US emergency rooms by law have to treat and will treat people without insurance and regardless of immigration status.

Doctors ae supposed to heal people, not think oh who cares about their pain and suffering if I do not get paid.

Perhaps the Swedish government should re-think their bottom line.

Rather than give out so much welfare to anyone who asks for it, cut down payments and use extra money to pay for such operations or medical care for the less fortunate.

And ths is coming from a Republican, basic, decent care for people should be a given.
15:24 November 24, 2010 by Swedesmith
I am willing to bet that this is just a beaurocratic thing and it will be sorted out and the boy/man will be treated. Thusly, this story is just sensationalism designed to provoke controversy.
15:55 November 24, 2010 by gabeltoon
Iam saddened by all the comments on this article. Try putting yourself in this situation. The person is in PAIN,has a broken arm that will not heal.What is your first thought ??? I must get HELP. surely the hospital can deal with the payment later.Would you have your own child in PAIN.?? NO i don't think you would. Do people in SWEDEN just walk by if they see someone in PAIN FROM AN ACCIDENT????
16:06 November 24, 2010 by PoJo
Don't doctors have to take a hippocratic oath before they start exercising medicine? It clearly seems like this one didn't.

Anyway, some people commenting here are disgusting, I cannot believe how far their cruelty and egoism goes. Who cares if the Migrationsverket spent some money to cure this boy? Just cure him for God's sake, he's a human being.


If you really are asian you should know the answers to the questions that you ask above? Try to stick to your dump man.
16:13 November 24, 2010 by Clarabow
To say every refugee "came here to squeese the system and to do rape and killings" seems a highly inflamatory thing to say. I understand why someone might think this and the reason is media coverage and with respect - ignorance. In the UK we see black faces in the papers (rapist, murders) and it is easy to forget the white ones who also commit crimes. But what we don't see is the very many who are working hard, trying to support their family and themselves, to just make a better life, but of course they never make the news. Try and see what good some of these people are doing, and find out how many are actually commiting crime. And then see how many crimes are committed by us white folk with a right to be here. Well, you could start by looking at today's headlines on this site, before you make assumptions. As for this boy, anyone who is here from that country has had a long and difficult road to walk. No family, no friends, no support; why would someone leave their family and home and all they know and love to end up here? I don't have an answer to the terrible problems of this world, but I will not condemn someone or judge someone I don't know, but I might think there but for the grace of God....... behind every face there is a story, and some of those stories are harrowing. I would hope that there is a charitable fund to cover these situations, and ideally pressure on the warlords of that country to join the 21st century civilised community and then perhaps young people will not have to leave their home.
17:14 November 24, 2010 by janswed
Ofcourse he should be treated, he is a human being in pain,if hes arm sets in a improper manner it could mean a lifetime of problems for the boy.
19:03 November 24, 2010 by hjoian
regardless of where he came from or who this person is, if the doctor said surgery was required ,it should be performed. NO if or buts... anyone who disagrees with that i hope will have a dire need of hospital treatment abroad someday,and get refused, see how you enjoy the pain. Sad to see the usual ignorant bunch still posting.....
19:04 November 24, 2010 by Bumblebeetuna
I thought the doctors had to sign a pledge stating they'd help anyone!

Anyway, I think they should have helped him. I really do believe that this is just a tactic the hospital is using to get money out of the system. Ya, they are obligated to help but the state is not obligated to pay. Ergo, the hospital made a tactical decision to deny someone who didn't have critical health problems. To bring to light they wouldn't get paid for it. The end result is the kid gets help and the hospital that helped him will now get plenty of financial help. Just my 2 cents.
19:57 November 24, 2010 by double concerto
Just what do the Swedish people owe to this alien person??? The answer is of course nothing. Therefore it is only right and proper that he and his hard luck story should be packed off whence he came as quickly as possible. Practising doctors and Swedish citizens are fed up with all the hard luck stories and being used as a charity for warring nations such as Somalia.
20:20 November 24, 2010 by jbat
Just let this child / man or boy suffer and die... there is no need for humanity.. humanity only for tax payer and self thinking "special immigrants" like those here....
20:51 November 24, 2010 by Palestinian
@ asian 123

I am an immigrant who work as a doctor in Sweden. May be SD will dominate within few years and it becomes illegal to treat people who do not have blue eyes, if you come to my hospital then I promise I will break the law and treat you because you are a human being.

Human being is a human being .

@ Luckystrike

I think I pay much more tax than you do and I will be very happy if my money makes some one smiles regardless to his colour or race. Of course I will be ready to break all the laws( if it is against law)and treat you if you come unconscious to our hospital and I do not know who are you and who will pay for your treatment!
21:08 November 24, 2010 by vladd777
I dont see what the big fuss is about!

The gov and migration board allow asylum seeking children to stay here so they should then be prepared to cough up for healthcare for the subjects.

If the injury is really that bad then it needs to be fixed while the asylum seeker is in the country c/o gov and migration board.

Why not go the whole hog and stop nitpicking!
21:17 November 24, 2010 by Palestinian
@ European(Israeli)

Though I completely believe and fully convinced that Arabs and Muslims do not deserve to be treated like humans, simply because they are NOT humans

No thing new comparing with the second part of your name! You killed already much more children and we do not expect you to be sad for this child!


Shame on you! You did not choose where will you born and which colour will you have?

You could be on the sme situation and I do not think you would say the same!
21:44 November 24, 2010 by kenny8076
and the undercover Sweden Democrats start to emmerge...... see everyone has a little Sweden Democrat in them...... we all just have different ways of showing it!!!! I wouldnt have done it either..... sucks for the kid but makes a huge example here. America takes care of its illegals and floaters..... and that costs some states over $1 billion a year in tax payers money....

Maybe if these people stayed in their countrys and stood up for a change or i dont know..... tried to actually change things they would have to be free grazers to the rest of the world......
22:42 November 24, 2010 by aaww

i don't get what you say, this guy doesn't have the money to go to a doctor, but he has the cash to fly 2000 kilometers north? what kinda logic is this?
22:47 November 24, 2010 by unseen

i see an Israeli thinks that nearly 1 billion people are not even humans????

i see a Palestinian who wills to treat those who think that he is not even human???

with all due respect to Jews and Israelis,,, you who call yourself as one of them, make a bad example of your people!!!

please, reconsider your attitude...you as human, have a heart and feelings like me and other 6 billion people who share this humble planet will find life more interesting and happier than you think of it with this kind of attitude......
23:22 November 24, 2010 by Tusker

Strange comments from someone who 60 years ago also wouldnt have been classed as human, in parts of Europe.

You sure have studied your history well.

I guess you are now telling Europe it doesn't matter what terrible things happened to European Jewry inTreblinka, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald et al, because now we should do the non-human thing again.

Shame on you to write such disgusting hate filled words, you disgrace those who have stood with the righteous and you sit in the sewer with the other bigots, of all religions.There is no place in civilisation for you, because you have no place for civilisation in your heart.
01:31 November 25, 2010 by asian123
immigrants from certain countries breed too much especially from arab countries and africa and some asian countries.

does any body observed that one .

thanks to the social money.
04:16 November 25, 2010 by ericrufinosiah
One word I would like to say about the naive and peaceful loving native Swedish,

they are being taken for joy rides many a time that perhaps their minds are now

only on helping immigrants.Nothinh matters more than helping immigrants such

as the Somali boy who claimed to have pain but who could fly or driven all the way

from Italy,which is a few thousand km away,please dont make me looks stupid

without brain.
13:37 November 25, 2010 by asian123
he know how to travel 6000 km from somalia . but he dont have money for treatment. ha ha ha

remember that it not life threatning emergency.

treating him with a agreement of paying money at later time is good and optimal idea.
21:13 November 25, 2010 by papa
Come on guys, just 16 years old kid, help him, not big deal. We are not Chinese bastard who is just treating the people for the money, right?!
05:42 November 26, 2010 by Truth_Teller
@@@@"I think I pay much more tax than you do and I will be very happy if my money makes some one smiles regardless to his colour or race. Of course I will be ready to break all the laws( if it is against law)and treat you if you come unconscious to our hospital and I do not know who are you and who will pay for your treatment!"

This is a pre-existing condition, not someone that has come to your hospital unconscious.

Play fair...
11:46 November 26, 2010 by Keith #5083
Wow! I'm glad I'm not 15 years old and have so many commentaters here trying to teach me morality, ethics, humanity.

All I would learn from most is 'look after nr.1"

Maybe that's what this young suffering man has already learnt, huh?

Or maybe he is still naive enough to think that there is compassion in this world.

long live the inspirational beauty of naivity :)
12:27 November 26, 2010 by Finnish guy
Although I am against large scale immigration and I don't think western countries have enough resources to take care all of the problems in the third world, I think this boy should have been treated.
13:44 November 26, 2010 by philk
This 16 year old is only a symptom of the problem - are all N and NW European countries prepared as a whole to continue to allow large waves of benefit claimants to put their national resources under strain, irrespective of where they are from? As is he in your country and injured, he should be treated, that part isn't his fault...would it have made a difference if he was a Swede on the dole for years who has been taking from the pot without contributing...?
15:07 November 26, 2010 by gunner650@yahoo.com
I guess not only the suedes pay tax in sweden. So why cry over tax because of a young boys health.
15:20 November 26, 2010 by facistland
A child my butt! These refugees pretend to be under age so they can bring their families here after they got the permit to stay. Only the tofu brains like the Swedes and other europeans like them believe this kind of crap. Let's see how long your bleeding hearts will last???
17:36 November 26, 2010 by Syftfel
@facistland: The proper term for what you describe is "anchor babies"
18:49 November 26, 2010 by Njal
What's he doing in Sweden? Don't they have the ability to mend arms in Italy?
18:57 November 26, 2010 by facistland
Yeah, my dear Swedes, go ahead and fix him up, make him strong and healthy so he can rape your women and harrass your sons, right? Bovine brains!
19:27 November 26, 2010 by Njal
More of the same from immigrants criticising the West for all manner of evils.

Western nations cannot be expected to solve all the problems of the world. In Canada, for example, we have our own people who cannot get treatment for medicare due to lack of funding. Bur when a boat-load of 400 Tamils shows up from Sri Lanka, an entire wing of the hospital was given to them. They don't speak the language, members of the Government in Sri Lanka have told us there are terrorists among them, and they bring highly contagious diseases with them (many had tuburculosis). This occured just this summer here in B.c.

What immigrants need to understand is that most Westerners are sick and tired of having to deal with all these people from failed-states, when our own go without. And guess what? We actually don't have any obligation towards you or your people at all. Instead of reprimanding us for what a cruel people we are for not wanting to help yet another refugee (if we allowed you to, you would flood the West), why don't you all go back to your failed-states and turn them into something worthwhile. Then you would have the moral imperative to speak-down to those who, at the end of the day, have given you a safe home.

Perhaps the situation is otherwise in Sweden, but I tend to think this is way of things the world over with regards to immigration policies.

Help the boy, but send him back to Somalia.
21:31 November 26, 2010 by Observing Consciousness

Cognitive dissonance and lack of deep analysis are at work in this thread.. but then again, isn't that always the case with us humans?

I have been to 44 different countries in my life, have lived in a dozen of them. One of the lessons I have drawn is that MASS IMMIGRATION is indeed WRONG, but unlike most European people's conception I mean it is wrong IN EITHER DIRECTION!

Not only from poor territories to the rich, which has been mentioned many times over in this thread, but also when an excessive number of rich people are admitted into (relatively) poor countries! PLaces like Pattaya or Thailand as a whole are obvious examples of how the EASY MONEY and some other factors CORRUPT the souls of the natives, but the are also less obvious yet essentially identical situations even within Europe: e.g. Costa del Sol in Spain with its excessive influx of wealthy northerners into a relatively small, in many ways backward, territory.

(This is the reason why certain wise leaders, such as those of Bhutan, offer only limited visas - they know that a flood of foreigners would damage the country.)

In addition, I would like to remind some of the authors of the cruel let-them-die comments herein (you know who you are) that you are pouring your wrath onto and trying to punish an INDIVIDUAL who is, or at least should be presumed, INNOCENT; but if you analyse the situation you will realise that the ones to be angry with and to be sanctioned are the COLLECTIVE LEADERSHIP of Sweden (Germany, UK etcetc) for having allowed excessive immigration in the first place!

And perhaps deep down you are aware that the LEADERSHIP of a country is usually simply a reflection of its PEOPLE COLLECTIVELY. If the LEADERSHIP has committed something you disapprove, it was because you, the people at large, ALLOWED them to do so.

Instead of having kept the government under the magnifying glass and mass-demonstrating whenever it did something to the detriment of its people, you were busy getting fat and lethargic on your Mac burgers, busy poisoning your body with Coca-Cola, busy dumbing your wits with immoderate doses of TV, busy distracting your senses with porn, busy dimming your discriminative wisdom with ... and dulling the sword of your resolution with ... you can fill that in yourselves, I think you get the picture.

In brief, isn't it the case that you know deep down you should be angry with yourselves, but your pride won't let you, not to mention that all the present immigration-related problems are the unpleasant results of whatever unsavoury, foul policies the Govt. instituted already 10, 30, or more years ago, and what is more, thanks to YOUR INACTION the Govt. has by now grown into a mega-monster-government whom it is almost impossible to fight, so in your FRUSTRATION you resort to lashing an INNOCENT INDIVIDUAL whom you know nothing about.

21:39 November 26, 2010 by Observing Consciousness

Indeed, the information available is so scant that this Somali boy?, man?, hypochondriac?, patient?, tourist?, refugee?, ?, ?, ... is largely a

figment of our imagination, but to those who are filled with irrational fury even a phantasm is substantial enough to be able to receive lashings.

Let's get our reasoning in order, shall we?

Last but not least, it is interesting that no-one has linked this (Swedish) hospital's (Swedish) doctor's conduct to the ignoble (Swedish) STINGINESS


Luckily, I have done my work on that aspect already, so all the writing that remains to be done is this link:



22:04 November 26, 2010 by emphir
It couldn't be an emergency case since this boy came from Somalia with his arm unproperly healed. It's not something I call "sudden and unpredictable". And how the hell can you blame the doctor? It's so easy to say - "he should perform the surgery". Yeah, sure, And if the hospital won't be willing to pay, he should pay from his own money. And how much money do you spend every month to help poor Somalian boys who are in need of surgery? It was his decision to make, because he had been the one who would have been blamed for that and forced to pay in case the hospital wouldn't get the money. And it isn't only the matter of his own work - what about the medical personel and so on and so on.
04:01 November 27, 2010 by Njal
@Observing Consciousness

You make a good point about immigration, but I don't think it's the same thing really. People from the West emigrating to the third world, by way of example, don't go there to stay, certainly not in the same number's as do immigrants from 3rd world countries to the West.

You kind of devolve into a rant towards those you deem cruel, but you miss the point, people are getting pissed-off mate. The fact that I can so easily relate with what's happening here, to what's going on there (and elsewhere in the West), should at least illustrate how widespread the problem has become, (stricter immigration & attendant loss of compassion).

As for politcians that were democratically elected by us, therefore we have only ourselves to blame? Political arrogance is a global thing, (compare your Mona Sahlin with our former premier of BC Gordon Campbell), therefore perhaps it would not surprise you to learn that politicians do not keep election promises after election, and do what is politically expedient.

Agreed with you about being involved in opposing politicians and their mad schemes, (i.e. not eating Macs, not always watching porn,TV...etc).
05:09 November 27, 2010 by suckfist
Sounds like the healthcare system in the U.S.

Money first, maybe treatment later.
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