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Illegal immigrants to get new rights in Sweden

TT/The Local · 3 Mar 2011, 08:55

Published: 03 Mar 2011 08:55 GMT+01:00

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The move follows long negotiations between the smaller governing parties (the Centre, Liberal and Christian Democrat parties) who have long argued for more rights for undocumented migrants, and the Moderate Party, which has opposed the idea.

The Moderates have argued that giving such entitlements would legitimize people who have no right to be in Sweden.

The parties say there are still a number of questions to resolve, including the issue of who will pay for illegal immigrants' healthcare or the kind of care and education to which they will be entitled.

Social Affairs Minister and Christian Democrat leader Göran Hägglund said the changes would cost "a few hundred million kronor" per year, but added:

"Compared with the total cost of healthcare, that's nothing."

Education Minister and Liberal leader Jan Björklund said he hoped that the children of illegal immigrants would be able to start attending Swedish schools from 2012, adding that his preliminary calculations suggested that this would cost taxpayers 50-100 million kronor per academic year. He said this compared to the total cost of 100 billion kronor for running Sweden's compulsory schooling.

Centre Party leader and Industry Minister Maud Olofsson said that the deal would also allow illegal immigrants to start companies:

"We have now included in the agreement that it should be easy to come to Sweden regardless of whether you are a businessperson or an employee," she said.

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The minority government will need support from at least one opposition party to pass the measures. Olofsson said she hoped the Green Party would support the moves, despite not having been involved in negotiations. A parliamentary vote is not expected until early 2012.

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09:41 March 3, 2011 by Nemesis
Illegal immigrants to Europe, should be deported back to where they came from.

If someone is a genuine businessperson or worker seeking to do business in Sweden or anywhere else in Europe, they should be given a working visa and freely welcomed.

Those people should only be welcomed into Europe, if it can be shown that particular skill is not available in any of the EC countries first.

We should be concentrating on getting Europeans jobs first.

We should nto be hiring non-Europeans at the expense of Europeans.

If someone sneeks into the country, after passing through 20 other countries to then seek asylum, they should be deported immediately.
09:52 March 3, 2011 by Kalyissa
Pretty much agree with you Nemesis.

If they are willing to create new companies then yes I believe they should be allowed in.

If they are coming to feed off the system then deport them back to thier own country.
10:10 March 3, 2011 by dbeholder
I think I've been reading news from Sweden in the wrong place.

This is too much like fox news, and the people who comment here are too much like Glenn Beck.
10:19 March 3, 2011 by Kalyissa
I find it like the Daily Mail online at times ^^

Though I have no idea who Glenn Beck is.
10:47 March 3, 2011 by johnny1939
The SD just got a 10000 new members!

I wish that I had Glenn Beck's money!!!!
11:05 March 3, 2011 by Ansgard
Meanwhile The Local reports: "Swedes to pay more for healthcare", "Many troubled Swedish youth selling sex: report", "Suicide bomb 'may have been cannabis press'" and of course "Sweden in 'historic' deal on immigration policy". Why are they doing this to Sweden. It's beyond my comprehension. The ignorance and arrogance and no justice for the people.
11:11 March 3, 2011 by BrittInSweden
"The parties say there are still a number of questions to resolve, including the issue of who will pay for illegal immigrants' healthcare or the kind of care and education to which they will be entitled."

Well according to the other The Local article "Swedes to pay more for healthcare", it's the tax payers who will be paying for their healthcare.
12:01 March 3, 2011 by Localer
this got to be kidding ?
12:04 March 3, 2011 by hammad674
Don't really understand What the Swedish Government want, Whether they are looking to give relief to Swedish Tax Payers or they wish to populate Sweden with immigrants (doesn't matter legal , Illegal). At one side, they have almost halted Non-EU International Students by fee, which were still Educated, were not a burden at Kommuns (in shape of monthly fund) and not really found in illegal activities.

On the other hand, Importing tons of relatively Uneducated and illegal immigrants to Sweden with supporting of Kommuns funding.

They really need to look closely their objectives and make plans accordingly.
12:24 March 3, 2011 by Roy E
Insanity rules the day!

One surefire way to get more of something is to reward it .
12:59 March 3, 2011 by Mib
IS it me or does the word "Illegal" mean something different these days? If I go and punch a policeman or park my car illegally, I will be fined and could be sent to prison or even deported back to the UK. Yet, if I work as an illegal immigrant in Sweden...probably working on the black market and avoiding taxes and taking a legitimate job from a "resident" then I can still get healthcare etc without penalty. So, I then tell my friends outside Sweden and hey presto, we make the situation worse and in turn the Government will not make any additional resources availabel to handle this and PLAY RIGHT into the arms of the Swedish Democrats, which I believe we don't want.

It makes me think that the lunatics are running the asylum. Let's remove ID, personal numbers, borders, local Government and just allow everyone to live and work where they please and enjoy the benefits. In fact, why don't we pay everyone to move here and if you're a Swedish resident, then penalise us for following the rules!
13:40 March 3, 2011 by Wertyx
I had to double-check in the dictionary, but it's what I thought:

"illegal / adjective: prohibited by law; against the law; unlawful; illicit; also, not authorized or sanctioned, as by rules"

therefore illegal immigrants should be fined and/or jailed and/or removed from the swedish soil, just like in any other country. But instead they will be given money (through free healthcare and education), welcomed to the country and allowed to live and work like anybody else?


As it was sad earlier, "legal" resident of sweden have to follow the rules, but illegal ones are exempted from it, and rewarded in not doing it?

"giving such entitlements would legitimize people who have no right to be in Sweden" indeed, and that is wrong and goes against any form of justice.

What is the motivation for this? I'm sure the vast majority of illegal immigrants won't turn out to be a productive work force for the country. Of course what happens in their country is problematic from an human right point of view, but why penalize Sweden as well? Is the goal to all be equal in misery?

I wish politician would ask themselves a few questions before coming up with laws like that: "Will it benefit the country at any level?" "Will the majority of the swedes approve of it?" "Is it legal and just?" if you get a NO for all this questions, then you should probably flush the idea down the toilets.
13:51 March 3, 2011 by McChatter
So what's the point of going to the trouble of entering Sweden legally if you can get the same rights by coming in illegally?
14:08 March 3, 2011 by Thebinary1
From what I have noticed, the Swedish Media Industry regularly puts out sensational material with bent truths referred to as 'a different perspective' to get the population engaged, resulting in more citations and traffic which translates to more money. Its a win-win situation! This article serves that exact objective.
14:13 March 3, 2011 by Syftfel
These actions on part of the Alliance, to join forces with the lefty greens, is nothing short of treason! The entire corrupt cabal should be taken out. And these since these vermin evidently do not hesitate to put democratic principles out of commssion, take them out by force if necessary.
14:20 March 3, 2011 by Israeli Jew
It is so funny to see the morons (Swedes) talking about immigrants. The phony people (Swedes) MUST be grateful to everyone stepped inside their country. Immigrants have made Sweden an acceptable place for human beings to live in. Without these brave immigrants who have sacrificed, you Swedes would be still eating fish and potatoes with your reindeers.
14:33 March 3, 2011 by Swedesmith
Well, then disband Migrationsverket and open up all the prisons. Let's do it up right.
14:59 March 3, 2011 by buschmann
I read the article but I am not sure if the new policy is designed to increase immigration from outside of europe or decrease it ,or keep immigrations levels about the same while increasing benifits for immigrants who are without papers?
15:54 March 3, 2011 by wolverine2k
Way to go Sweden! All abduls, quaddaffis and alis. Get ready to come along and be our guest. We will pay for your legally illegal activities and would also fulfil your inhumanely humane demands. In turn, don't forget to bring all your families and extended families with you.

Me: Mr. Fredrik, what am I gonna pay in taxes next year?

Mr. Fredrik: Looking at the current rate of turning illegal refugees/immigrants to a legal one, I think around 80%. And we are also looking at your house to stuff in around 20 of them. Between, if you and your family comes to the street, we can put in 10 more people. And once you are broke, you will understand the humaneness of what I have done.

Me: clap, clap.
17:08 March 3, 2011 by 3181311518
They want to mimic the USA with an army of desperate illegals who will work for pennies and never complain because they are illegal and could theoretically be deported. This is not just Sweden it is the entire West.

The West has lost its will to survive and is comitting collective suicide.
17:58 March 3, 2011 by Redbee
Our only family resides in Sweden ,daughter in-law Danish, son English and grandaughter born in Sweden .However should we wish to live near our family we would have to have private health care which as retired pensioners is too expensive .We have both worked 40 years and paid into our own countries health system and we understand that we are not entitled to any thing from another country's health system as we have not paid in . . However if we were to come as dependents that would put the financial responsibility onto our family who would have to agree to pay for our health care which we would not do . This seems reasonable until reading that illegal immigrants with no family or cultural ties to Sweden will be welcomed with open arms , feel a bit miffed .
19:05 March 3, 2011 by ITkiwi
Hmmm . . . inte bra tycker jag
19:24 March 3, 2011 by Rick Methven

As an EU national you have the same right to Swedish health care as you have on the NHS
20:20 March 3, 2011 by jack sprat
Stake your claim now.

It will be standing room only within a few years.

They should put a signpost up at Calais pointing North,..... "Sweden welcomes you" ....and take some of the pressure off the British immigration officers.
20:36 March 3, 2011 by superturbo
While they're at it they can just as well give rapists the right to rape, murderers the right to murder and robbers the right to rob...
21:00 March 3, 2011 by Chortlle
Very interesting stuff. My Swedish wife and I have been together 19 years and have two children 18 and 6 both born in the UK. We lived in and worked in Sweden for 10 years before moving back to the UK.Even though my wife has worked in the UK and never claimed any benefits until now, it seems she is not entitled to job seekers allowance or any other handouts.

How is that somebody from a non EU country or as a migrant can come and claim benefits without contributing anything to UK economy and live of the British taxpayer.Is it me or am I right in feeling ticked off.

Yours second class citizen in my own country
21:12 March 3, 2011 by technoviking
This is absolute and total madness.

Not only is the government condoning illegal immigration.


Expect an EXPONENTIAL increase of illiterate cave men pouring into Sweden illegally once word spreads that they will rewarded at taxpayer expense for breaking the law and invading Sweden.

Now half the Middle East will be living in Sweden in 5 years. Can you blame them? It's a win-win for them. Blame your government.

SD just got a new supporter today.
21:30 March 3, 2011 by mojofat
So when does the mass exodus of swedes from sweden begin? And boy, aren't they all going to be surprised at how difficult it is to move to other countries!

I guess I don't get the math. Unless every one of sweden's 9M people are millionaires (dollar millionaires, not kronor millionaires), how does this small country with a small population intend on absorbing anybody and their family from any third world country that decides to buy a plane ticket up here? And simultaneously, sweden has effectively cut off its primary source of recruiting talented, smart people from around the world via its higher education system...and these people are much more likely to start "companies" (not counting kebob stands) and contribute back to society...imho.
21:37 March 3, 2011 by Ravioli
It's pretty sad to see a country with such a proud history so hell bent on destroying itself. In less than 100 years Sweden is going to look like a Middle Eastern country and will be an Islamic state. It is absolutely flabbergasting to try and understand the reasoning behind this. As much as some may hate them, it's time for everyone to admit that SD are the only party who actually cares about their country.
21:59 March 3, 2011 by buschmann
@technoviking, I have a question, respectfully submitted of course. Sweden does not have an election until sept.2014. Can the social dems, bring in so many immigrants from libya,egypt ect. that sweden will reach a tipping point, and it won't matter how the next election turns out? It seems to me like they are saying, "game over".
22:00 March 3, 2011 by McChatter
@Chortile nr. 27

Throw your passports away and come back illegally!
22:28 March 3, 2011 by penzy
I have read some of the comments here and I am not surprised even though it is a bit sad the way some people prefer to come and display their overt ignorance for the whole world to see.

Okay so Sweden has decided to be kind and nice to other people in need and some of you have reservations. Rightly so, afterall who would want to be taken by surprise in his own household. But let's get some facts straight.

Some of us (immigrants), are here not because we feel this place is heaven. No, it cannot be. Sweden cannot in anyway take away the kind of atmosphere and environment I get in my continent. But circumstances which did not start so soon dictates that I should be here. And so am here by hook or by crook.

#1. When your great grandfathers came to my continent to kidnap my great grandfathers, they came ILLEGALLY. You called them EXPLORERS! In the same vein, those of us who are here (whether legal or illegal), are here to EXPLORE and you view us as ILLEGALS who should not be here. What do you think my great grandfathers were thinking when you were kidnapping them to come and WORK for you!

#2. After all these years of inflicting such pains on us, you have not even compensated us for the wrongs you did. Infact, you are still enslaving us economically. (Afterall, slave trade was all about economics). You are still coming to buy my cocoa seedlings at a cheaper rate (no, your own rate) and then you bring it back to me at a price beyond me which then encourages people to do what they have to do.

#3. This has led us to come to you and beg for loans. Loans you give to us at a higher interest rate and then you impose your own kind of politics which is capital intensive. That has led to corruption, erode our cultural lives and many more. Why do you think there are a lot of kidnappings in Africa? How come the Ogoni people in Nigeria cannot farm anymore because your desire for oil is polluting their land and taking their livelihood away.

Take the three reasons (there are many more) into consideration and think about it. If only you will be fair to us. If only you will honestly deal with us like you deal with your kinds. If only you will leave us to have our own unique political system, maybe, just maybe, I would be back in my continent basking in sunshine instead of having heavy clothes on me.

You sow what you reap, the bible says. You sowed something and here we are. You came to us in the name of God and now, we are here telling you about this same God you told us about and to share in the profit of what you took from us.

Is this not fair enough?
23:05 March 3, 2011 by Cuttingedge
Crazy to hear this, whe European come to Africa, Asia and arabian countries and take our every thing, they were not illegal, when we come here to enjoy our natural resorces, which they are still taking from ours, the we are illegal, shame on you, go back to history. wait the fire is coming to you cowards
23:08 March 3, 2011 by Smiling Canuk
The good thing about this is that Canada, Australia, UK or USA will no longer be the main choices for illegal immigrants or bogus refugee claimants. Now we can just redirect them to Sweden.
23:09 March 3, 2011 by Cuttingedge
Sweden, just thank Napoleon who sent one of his general to protect you, by the way who is real swedish, just 30 %, The SD they are Nazi grand kids, so forget we are living in the globe village
23:20 March 3, 2011 by technoviking
@ buschmann

Most will be only resident holders.... can't vote. In 15 years on the other hand, who knows. This is completely insane and unexpected. I figured SD would get 10% next outing. This might make it higher. Now they REALLY have a platform to run on.

@ penzy

Half the reason your part of the world is a shambles is because people like you are unable to take responsibility for ANYTHING.

Does Sweden make you kill each other in tribal wars? Do they make it impossible for foreign companies to invest there because of the instability and corruption of you governments and people? Do we FORCE you to be uncivilized and act like it's the stone age TODAY?

You can point to great-grandparents all you want, but the chaos and violence in Africa is commited by people TODAY who are responsible for their own actions.

Go home and fix your own country or you are part of the problem by running away like a coward.
23:29 March 3, 2011 by penzy

You are an exact replica or a living specimen of what am talking about here. I can go back and there is no fuss about it. But remember, you don't have a single natural resource. Can you name me one? So when you come and I play hardball with you, what do you do? You organise your media and start disparaging. This is the problem you guys have with Mugabe. We will go home and the desire is more than you think. But not before we make sure there is equity!
23:38 March 3, 2011 by Swedesmith
Why not go a step farther and make everything legal in Sweden. Make Sweden the wild and crazy capital of debauchery. Might liven the place up a little. Midsommar 365 days a year.

Wanna be a Swedish citizen? Raise your right hand and repeat after me, "Små grodarna. små grodarna..."
23:49 March 3, 2011 by Cuttingedge
Look at this crazy Chortlle

From UK, why are u forgeting what you did in Africa you English people, you did everything bad for us, like french, like every European guys and you still doing it using the so called stupid presidents you force us to accept them using our resources. we are here to get our Gold, our diamonds back, got it crazy
23:59 March 3, 2011 by Ravioli

Here's a clue. Don't come here and commit rape and violent crime and a rate where you are FAR overrepresented. Try to learn the language, try to find jobs. I think you'll find people will treat you a lot better.

This idea of claiming that this is all payback for Africa's colonization by Europeans is yet another excuse and yet ANOTHER way to avoid responsibility for your own actions. Africa actually was THRIVING under European colonization. For example, look at Zimbabwe. Once a shining example of Africa's vast potential (under British colonization), it is now a toilet since it was handed back to the natives. It's easy to blame others but it takes a real man to blame onself. Stop blaming others for your own shortcomings and take some responsibility. Stop running away from it by going to Europe and living on the dole.
01:31 March 4, 2011 by marcelj
This is total insanity. Take note of what happened to the usa, they did the same thing. It broke the usa and now they are reversing this program, (the giveaway everything program) It is hard to imagine that sweden is so ill advised. Sweden needs to study the failing usa and why it is so. Also ask, who is in charge here anyway? and, why are they trying to destroy us? Get real and now.
01:44 March 4, 2011 by Cuttingedge

Stop saying rapings, there many rapist from Sweden in Thailand, do you think the rapist got color, its habit, ask Assange, about Mugabe who is supporting Mugabe, may be you did not get my point, Mugabe was a good friend of you until you got comlict of interest between you. You did slave trade we just say let it go. By the way, whe tou are coming in Africa to exploit us, do we force you to learn our languages. So crazy what you are talking, but the time will come, I'll meet one down there and he will explain everthing in my local language
05:26 March 4, 2011 by technoviking

Sweden is way worse off than the US. Illegals aren't being incentivized and given an open permission to invade at will by Congress. They don't get the dole and they aren't able to start companies which is insane. At worst they are ignored and even that's changing...

More importantly, US hispanic immigrants INTEGRATE quickly because they aren't religious fanatics and they are sane and actually want to work and better themselves. Sweden has a much more sinister invader who view them as infidels to exploit just like the Koran tells them to.

Something needs to be done to stop this and SD appear to be the only sane ones now, which is scary.
07:08 March 4, 2011 by imonx
Human Capital is a great asset. Do ou know how much Sweden will gain in taxes for doing this?

While the government is becoming more capitalist, the are reinventing what is now known as the Swedish enterprise.

Sorry to say the government does not know must of you. Well they need to keep the system healthy and thats what the are going to do.

Dont legalize illegal immigrant the work without paying tax and the black market swells, or crime increases.So shut up folks and lets Sweden collect its taxes from immigrants.

Also many swedes stay at home and collect welfare funds this is partly supported b the legal working immigrants nobody remembers this.

Please dont forget to pay your tax yourself thats what we are all good for nothing
07:11 March 4, 2011 by penzy

Stop the rhetorics for once and just tell us for once that you are a racist, for God's sake. I mean, I doubt if you have ever travelled outside your country talkless of going to live there. If so, you will have a different perspective to this issue.

Be realistic for once and understand that, the western world are the fundamental problems in Africa. Tell me, who came to divide Africa? Do you know the whole of West Africa has a shared heritage? The local language spoken in Ghana and Togo are similar, so also is Benin Republic and Nigeria. What are you saying here. Was it not for economic reasons that there was a partition for Africa? Were we even allowed to have a say in the affairs of our own lands? Come and I will take you to the slave dungeon in Cape Coast, Ghana and you will see the legacy of your own Swedes, Danes, Portuguese, Dutch and English. You want to deny that?

And when the owners of the land were not even allowed to develop their own models to suit their needs politically, you come here and talk rubbish as to us killing each other. You did not kill others in the name of God? Are you still not killing in the name of oil? Are you giving fairly back? Who deternines the prices of oil?

Please, the fact that you have been fortunate enough to be born in a country which was developed at the sweat and labour of other people does not mean you should insult them. Be grateful because one good turn deserves another.
07:51 March 4, 2011 by marcelj

The mexican illegal immigrant is primarily a farm worker who is not educated. The mexicans do not intergrate at all. They totally keep to themselves. They do not fit into american society and they don't even want to. They work for cash and send it all to mexico. They eventually return to mexico having earned enough money to retire. This is the nice picture, the bad picture is that they are invloved in much illegal activity involving drug running, growing marijuana, stealing cars and sending them to mexico, killing other gang members, home invasions, kidnapping americans for ransome.....etc etc.....they are some of the nastiest people you will ever not want to met. They are a wierd jealous people who actually hate americans but just want what the americans have. I could go on. Most americans want them all deported and are trying to do just that. check out a website called numbersusa
09:37 March 4, 2011 by technoviking
@ penzy

Of course pull the racist card for telling you to take responsibility for your actions. God forbid you should ever do it. Helpless victim to the end.

And what about the Irish who were under terrible English repression for decades? They seem to be doing well these days.

East Germany seemed to rebound pretty well after years under the Communist fist. Russia, arguably as well for that matter.

And the Jews who've had just about everybody attack them at some point, are they wallowing in self pity and helplessness? No they are busy winning Nobel Prizes and contributing to society.

America had a slave trade and now has a black president. One who took responsibility for HIMSELF.

Crazy how Westerners aren't whining about what happened to their great grandparents...

They move forward, act like civilized human beings and get right back to the business of winning instead of cutting children's hands off and mass raping women.

You can keep blaming others for the chaos and animalistic behaviors instead of taking responsibility but is that really going to change anything? It's actually just an excuse to keep doing it, which I guess is the REAL point.

Enjoy my tax dollars, in the meantime. I guess you have to tell yourself some story to not feel like a worthless charity case...
13:55 March 4, 2011 by buschmann
For better our worse , sweden is on the same path as the U.S. Had you told an american 35 years ago that the white poulation would become a minority population within the span of a lifetime they would have laughed. It is fact now that the under 15 yr. old population in the US is a majority non- white. The border region is a war like zone. The U.S.has a tremendous ammount of violent crime. 1 in 5 american girls surveyed , state that they have been sexually assaulted. Also Illegal immigrants take tens of thousands of construction, manufacturig and related jobs. ( Illigal immigrants are all migrant farm workers,) That is a myth and it has been a myth for decades.
13:59 March 4, 2011 by americanska
Chortlle, that sucks. but that is how the systme is set up in the UK and Europe and to some extent in all countries. An incentive to be a useless POS.
14:21 March 4, 2011 by MarshaLynn
That's the same craziness as is going on in America. There is some kind of mental virus that has infected the brains of those who lean toward the left. There is no rationality in their thinking. Thank goodness, being conservative is apparently a vaccine against this virus
14:43 March 4, 2011 by Rebel
At a time when we have factory-related jobs going to China we need phony refugees with no skills moving to Sweden? Oh well, seems that English language training will come in handy for all the young people who can't find work in Sweden -- there is always Britain, the USA and Canada.
14:43 March 4, 2011 by reader in USA
America has 20 million Mexicans. Sweden would you please send first class plane fare for some of our poor, helpless friends.

Is Sweden completely CRAZY?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vote these people out and then deport all noncitizens.
16:25 March 4, 2011 by Cuttingedge
@Ravioli You know that in 1990, some Germans forced one young girl to have sex with their dog in Tanzania, all this thing you do when you are in africa nobody blamed every Eouropean, but coz we have seen you here pretending to be Angels, makes me crazy, you guys we are using the same oxygen, Ravioli, are you living in Mars, THIS IS A GLOBE VILLAGE, just remember that always. The day you will be using Hydrogen, then you will do anything to oxygen user
17:34 March 4, 2011 by buschmann
@cuttingedge& pency. If it is revenge against white people you want, then I have some bad news for you. Within a couple decades the world will face a severe shortage of oil and fresh water. Right now the U.S.is feeding more than 100 countries with free grain shipments. If this were to stop today those countries would go HUNGRY. The U.S. will be very much affected by the oil and water shortage and will have a VERY difficult time providing for it's own citizens, that means nothing left for Africa. Things are changing here and people are comming to realize just how big the challenges of the future will be. Take Rawanda for instance, very few americans know anything of the genicide that happened there, and those who do don't care, doesn't matter if they are black, brown, or white americans, we just don't care. Americans don't have time to care, it is hard enough to just to keep yourself finacially stable. Sweden was a "swedish" land for thousand of years, things are changing faster then many swedish people are able to come to terms with, some of them are almost traumatized by this change. You are traumitized also but things that have occured in africa. Is fair to degrade and riducle anyone? There are hard times ahead, for all of us!
18:33 March 4, 2011 by mojofat

Pardon, but what do you know about how illegal mexicans act?

"they are some of the nastiest people you will ever not want to met."

This statement alone proves you know not what you speak of. Please, turn Glenn Beck or Hannity off for a second and move down to Southern California where I'm from. Some of the coolest people I've met have been mexican, illegal and legal. You're way off base.

"Most americans want them all deported and are trying to do just that."

BS...most americans don't think about it, and the ones who do are paranoid rednecks.

Now, on to other business. This whole finger pointing at the white devil colonizers who, 500 years ago, sailed off to some far off african land and captured humans to use as slaves is, yes, deplorable. But it's practically ancient history, and let's not forget that african tribes and nations have a LONG history of doing this among themselves. It wasn't like the entire continent of africa was a peaceful garden of eden till the white devils appeared. It was savage, brutal, and...yes...there were slaves. As others have pointed out, it's much easier to move forward and make progress when you choose to dump the chip that's on your shoulder.
18:39 March 4, 2011 by james_g
Comment: Maybe it's worth reminding some people here that the slave trade, appalling as it was (and still is, especially in e.g. some middle eastern counties) was NOT all down to 'westerners'. The western slavers operating in Africa bought most of their slaves from rulers of native tribes who had picked up the 'produce' in raids on - or full scale wars with - neighbouring tribes - or from the Arab slave traders who were at the same game, at least as far as Africa is concerned, way before the Europeans got round to it (and apparently still are). My home town of Bristol had a thriving slave trade with Ireland in the 1100s, long before its involvement with the Africa/West Indies and America triangle. Every nation for all time has been (or still is) guilty to a greater or lesser extent. So, yes - less whining about the past and what my ancestors did to yours or vice versa - or not, as the case may be - and start dealing with the present. Oh yes, and ONE more thing - while people are moaning about the Irish potato famine, remember, without minimising that tragedy, that life was pretty miserable, brutal and short for the vast majority of ordinary people in industrial (and agricultural) Britain too - AND there were other famines...
19:03 March 4, 2011 by orangetree
as an immigrant, I am far to understand this right! How much does it cost a Ryanair ticket to Skavsta? 5 euro.. Then you can get benefits free.

Why I am paying half of my salary for tax? Swedish health care system has an extreme qeue! now we will have more..Also wasnt this gov who cancelled free education for qualified students? what are they indending to do? they are crazy...
19:47 March 4, 2011 by mkvgtired
McChatter, There is an incentive to enter illegally. I am sure there are some fees related to immigrating. When you come illegally it is free. I thought California was crazy for allowing them to get drivers licenses.

@smiling Cannuk. If they want to go the Canada, US, UK, Australia, they can just get their Swedish passport and have free reign of the world. I mean look at where the 9/11 hijackers came from? A lot less scrutiny if you have a German (or Swedish) passport than if you have a Saudi Arabian one.

@Cutting Edge, Get over yourself. No one takes oil, diamonds, etc. They are paid for (exorbitantly I might add). There is a huge push in the West to make sure blood diamonds and other violent commodities from Africa and other conflict zones dont enter the stream of goods. If your governments keep 100% of these profits to the point the US Food Program (or other aid groups) has to feed these populations it is not the West's fault. Is the West supposed to drop dollars from helicopters or something? To help address YOUR governments corruption I support Kiva that lends directly to 3rd world business people.

Stop blaming the UK for everything. Try using some of the knowledge they gave you as a gift. Look at the quality of life in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. It is not a coincidence that they are all former British territories.
21:48 March 4, 2011 by penzy

I am surprised you still that shallow. What has all that you said got to do with the atrocities your forefathers committed.

If you think living in a cocoon is the best for you to summarise your opinions, then I am so sorry for you. Get out of your cocoon and see things for yourself. Then you can open your mouth anyhow and talk. Until then, don't give me the crap your news media feeds you to make your opinions. If you think we are that savage, then make an application to Discovery Channel or National Geographic and find out for yourself.

It is either you talk facts or you shut it. Enough of sentiments!
22:28 March 4, 2011 by james_g

What about the atrocities your forefathers committed? Or don't you think they ever committed any? Live in the present, work to the future - learn from the past...
23:26 March 4, 2011 by technoviking
@ penzy

I guess that African education system...or someone's great grandfather also made you too stupid to get an obvious point.

So I will explain it in child like terms for you since that is how you would like to be treated in life, like a helpless, ignorant child who needs to be spoon fed by us.

My POINT is that atrocities have been committed en masse against groups of Europeans, for centuries ALSO by other Europeans. Horrible atrocities. Just like you poor helpless Africans.

Except, Westerners aren't marauding the land raping and killing and then blaming dead Hapsburgs or Nazis or Soviets for it. I don't see Polish people committing genocide after their years under both the Nazis and the Soviets. Just Africans.

You justify the crime, violence and corruption in Africa as the fault of dead Europeans, not the particular African people who commit them. And so, it will continue forever.

YOU are the cause of the problem for choosing to be a helpless child who can't behave like a man.

I know you are too stupid to comprehend this and your victim status is your religion, but it is clear that you are not a man who will ever stand on his own.

You will always be a pathetic, emasculated child rolling at our feet whining about how you deserve our table scraps because of what dead people did decades ago.

You can have the scraps because we are kind. And like I said, I don't expect you to understand this anymore than I would expect a Swedish 10 yr old to understand it since you are about on the same level.

Now go run off and play.
02:05 March 5, 2011 by soultraveler3

Have you ever met a Mexican immigrant illegal or not? The majority are some of the nicest, down to earth people you can meet. A large number of them keep to themselves and just travel from farm to farm but many move to cities and integrate quite well.

There are gang members and crimes commited occasionally and that sucks but it's a small percentage of immigrants that are involved in that. Sometimes the crimes commited are seen more on the news because if they criminal can make it back to Mexico without being caught they're safe since Mexico won't extradite them.

You're also really wrong saying that most Americans don't want Mexicans there at all. Most Americans just want them to come legally so that they'll be responsible for taxes and any crimes commited just like the rest of the citizens. You can't blame people for wanting a better life for their families, you can blame them for breaking the law though.
10:31 March 5, 2011 by penzy

Exactly! Your ignorance is getting the better part of you because your knowledge of world events, or anything African for that matter is limited. Or I guess you have a limited brain capacity. And I am throwing the challenge to you once more, get your bucks out from where you are and travel. Open your mental horizons and then you can come here and talk like a reasonable person. For now, it is nothing than a bla bla bla you have been doing here.

If you think we as Africans are not standing on our own, then you must be joking. A category you belong to as a matter of fact. We are working and we are not complaining because you people have raped our land and we are trying to salvage the little that is left. We are not complaining but listen, the more there is an external influence in African matters, the more things will become complicated.

Get a life. Travel around. See reality for yourself before you open that mouth of yours.

10:36 March 5, 2011 by Ravioli
Well, I tried to respond to the earlier comments about Mexicans in the USA vs 'a certain group' here in Sweden but it was censored so I'll just talk about Mexicans in the USA.

As a person who grew up in L.A. I can attest that Soultraveler's comments are 100% spot on. Mexicans come to the USA looking for one thing. Work. They bring almost no baggage other than a propensity to have a lot of kids. But the point is, you won't find 95% unemployment rates in Mexican-populated towns in the US. You also won't find all of the religious and lifestyle baggage with Mexican immigrants. The impact of Mexican immigration has been a positive for the US. Legal or otherwise. Though I do prefer legal immigration...
18:53 March 5, 2011 by verenna
I think the mexican, rather better latin (because not all latins are mexicans) immigration to the US cannot be compared to the nature of the immigration that is going on in Sweden. Because my values I will hold back on the comments but if 'those immigrants' who come to Sweden would be as hard working, easy going and adaptable as the mexicans I've met, I would not be as concerned.
21:05 March 5, 2011 by technoviking
I lived for 12 yrs in LA and totally agree that Mexicans are as good as it gets in terms of immigrants. For the most part they are hard working, nice, family oriented people. There are of course some problems, but by the second generation they are as American as anyone. Their kids act like Americans, serve in the military, work hard and fit in.

Comparing Mexicans to Muslims is ridiculous. Mexicans don't have a political/religious ideology that tells them to hate and exploit their host country. Muslims do.


Haha. You aren't complaining? Could have fooled me. More revisionist history I guess.
12:34 March 7, 2011 by nmcg
Interesting that you should be attacking Sweden over immigration, whilst Israel commits war crimes and genocide. I think perhaps you should focus on tidying up your own house first, before offering any sage advice here.
14:44 April 15, 2011 by fio68
europe is for europeans! aka whites

Africa is for Africans

Asian for Asians

You marxists are a disgrace!
21:37 July 2, 2012 by jalam3333
I want know about an information,i am passed secendary school certificate of 2005 from bangladesh.my birthday is 03/04/1989.and now i am running student of a bangladeshi callege.but i am now italy in illagal,so now may i take addmission in sweden any callage.
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