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Peace group slams sale of Swedish 'meat grinder' ammunition

TT/The Local/dl · 6 Mar 2011, 12:13

Published: 06 Mar 2011 12:13 GMT+01:00

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The ammunition is meant for use with the Saab Bofors Dynamics Carl Gustaf shoulder mounted recoilless rifle and each round contains 1,100 steal projectiles, known as flechettes, which are spread out over a wide area.

"I think it's totally reprehensible that Sweden manufactures and exports these types of weapons," said Anna Ek, chair of the Svenska Freds- och skiljedomsförening ('Swedish peace and arbitration society'), to Sveriges Radio (SR).

"It violates the intention of weapon manufacturing laws which say that manufacture only for export is prohibited."

The Swedish Agency for Non-Proliferation and Export Controls (Inspektionen för strategiska produkter – ISP) has approved the new ammunition for export to a handful of countries, but exactly which countries remains classified, although it's commonly known that the United States has received the controversial munitions.

An American soldier interviewed about how the round killed 25 Afghans referred to the rounds as "the meat grinder". Amnesty wants the ammunition to be banned and a report by the United Nations agrees that a possible can ought to be investigated, according to SR.

"It doesn't violate any of the weapons conventions that the international community has agreed upon," Jan-Erik Lövgren, current head of the ISP, told the radio station.

While refusing to reveal which countries have received the ammunition, Lövgren held up his hand with his five fingers extended.

The Swedish military isn't interested in the ammunition, known as an Area Defence Munition (ADM) flechette round, but Lövgren defended the decision to approve it for export since "several countries have already bought the recoilless rifle" in which it is used.

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"It's quite natural for a customer to request supplements for a system," he said.

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13:04 March 6, 2011 by Mo
who were the flechettes stolen from ?
15:23 March 6, 2011 by mikewhite
Typo: "steel", not "steal" !
15:31 March 6, 2011 by hjoian
head in sand.......im not responsible, i didnt pull the trigger......
15:33 March 6, 2011 by jackx123
so what's the problem here? killing terrorists? Ms. Ek should go to afghanistan to see for herself how she would be treated by the terrorists and maybe alter her immature mindset about how the world is ticking.
15:52 March 6, 2011 by Nemesis
The sales team should be given a bonus.

They should be congratulated for exporting to countries outside Europe and helping to maintain European jobs.

Well done that sale team. Keep up the good work.
16:29 March 6, 2011 by fauconbleu1000
Shame on you Sweden, the swedish actual government is hypocrit and racist you can view the proof in youtube, title "sweden the big lie"
16:49 March 6, 2011 by Bostonexpat
@fauconbleu1000 Please explain how Sweden is being hypocritical and racist(?) …. If you live here, you are in some way/indirectly a beneficiary of Sweden's export might so perhaps you should not be a hypocrite and decline any benefits.
17:21 March 6, 2011 by maakm

I guess you dont know about Yvonne Ridley, a british journalist captured by Taliban in Afghanistan and on her return to England she embraced Islam.


Isn't it hypocritical that when Iraq (which did not had any mass destruction weapons) was bombarded and at the just an apology. Yet those weapons has been used by the soldiers are cheered by every one. Shame on me and all of us. We all have blood at our hand.
17:23 March 6, 2011 by RobinHood
The Flechette round turns the ever flexible Carl Gustaf launcher into the shotgun from Hell. It blasts more than a thousand little darts in an arc ahead of the user with an effective range up to about a hundred meters. You just point it downrange and everything ahead just falls apart.

It's a vicious, brutal, mini-daisy cutter of a weapon, extremely effective in defensive situations. It's been sold by SAAB Bofors to the US and four of it's allies (probably including the UK, Canada).

No doubt the "other side" will soon get hold of something similar (they always do), and someone will let one go in a crowded place such as a busy market. Thanks for that SAAB Bofors!
17:24 March 6, 2011 by MarkinBoston
So is there a 'human right' to die one bullet at a time? It's alright to have your body blown apart by an artillery shell, but not have it shot up with multiple projectiles? How about getting shot three times by arrows from a longbow? Or have your skull crushed by a mace?
17:50 March 6, 2011 by SarahPalin
"I guess you dont know about Yvonne Ridley, a british journalist captured by Taliban in Afghanistan and on her return to England she embraced Islam."

Ironically its called Stockholm syndrome.

Plus lets not discount plain old stupidity.

I bet some people in Afghanistan and Iraq are going to be surprised when a mass of them run up again one soldier carrying this weapon... then boom... and they are in line for the 72 virgins along with 50 or more of their buddies :))

That virgin factory must me working overtime...
18:27 March 6, 2011 by technoviking
Haha. Only Swedes would ask for more humane AMMUNITION.

Light em up boys...
18:45 March 6, 2011 by fauconbleu1000

I invite you to view this 2 titles in YOUTUBE and you´ll understand " Sweden the big lie" and " Tobias Billström Swedish minister of immigration repeats himself " and be honest and tell me what do you think, with all my regards.
19:25 March 6, 2011 by SarahPalin

Ohhh my, you have opened my eyes!

I say the best thing to do now is to leave this big lie country and go back to where we came from if we don't like the lie. You start, take all your buddies with you and when it's time I'll leave too ;)
20:31 March 6, 2011 by fauconbleu1000

Good idea, but you can leave now for my part I must wait , coz I have a very important thing to do ,I must have my revenge ...I hate this sh... country!!!
20:49 March 6, 2011 by technoviking
@ fauconbleu1000

That sounds like a terroristic threat to me. Please elaborate.
20:52 March 6, 2011 by fauconbleu1000
lawfully and fairly of course i´m not terrorist ;)
21:47 March 6, 2011 by DAVID T
I want one
22:14 March 6, 2011 by Bostonexpat

I watched both videos and I'm at a loss as to the relationship btwn this article, the videos and the claim that Sweden is racist.

One of the constant ranting themes in the comments is that Sweden is a racist country. I got the whole history ties during WWII etc ...got it, acknowledge it but it doesn't apply today. If you want anyone to actually listen to you and not immediately assume you're an idiot, you have to drop that accusation from your message. Obviously racism exists in this country

,as everywhere else, but to label the entire country that way is just stupid. Regards
22:41 March 6, 2011 by SarahPalin

I happen to like living "the lie" and the Swedish folk.

"I must have my revenge ...I hate this sh... country!!!"

Then leave.

Talking about revenge etc just shows you for your true colors.

Try to adopt to your host country, don't try to force it to adapt to you.

On topic, I am happy this weapon is being exported to the places where it will do the most good. It will stop more people coming here from that place who "hate this sh... country" and must "have their revenge".

Let them keep their hate exactly where they are - thank you very much.
23:27 March 6, 2011 by Swedesmith
McDonalds is working on a more humane weapon as we speak. It shoots out Big Macs and fries. In 40 years you die of heart disease.
02:34 March 7, 2011 by jimmyjames
To all the people that think a certain weapon is inhumane ; you are obviously individuals who have lived pampered lives, you have no grasp on reality, life is a battle on some level at all times and those strong warriors with the best weapons live......the others are subjugated and eventually pass into history. The reason Sweden exists as a beautiful, safe,civilized, humane country is because of your superior weapons and your superior warriors and your advanced evolution. Would any of you rather live in a world dominated by the Islamists and their religion based total control of every aspect of life. Do you people not realize the civilized world of the West is at war with Islam, at war with China, at war with the nightmare dictators of Sub-Saharan Africa. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE ARABS, AFRICANS, AND NORTH KOREANS ARE THE DOMINATE POLITICAL, RELIGIOUS, AND ECONOMIC INFLUENCES ????? You better start thinking seriously about these topics because soon you will have to choose a side and there will be no going back.
05:01 March 7, 2011 by technoviking
@ jimmyjames

Amen, brother.

Unfortunately it will probably take more bombings to wake people up.
07:42 March 7, 2011 by RobinHood
^ Who woke up the trolls?
08:24 March 7, 2011 by EP
Neutral Sweden's largest exports are arms sales ... what hypocrisy ...
08:51 March 7, 2011 by Pelle8
@ jimmyjames

WE dont want your MORBID EDUCATION in Jungle ERA.

For your considerations, it was not Islamists, nor North Korea nor Africans movement that caused the majorities of massacres in the world, almost 99.99% of innocents in the world history have been killed by your modernism. and Unfortunately the trace of Zionism is vivid.

US and Nato had no right to attack Iraq or Afghanistan, Everyone knows that 9/11 was a BIG BIG LIE, everyone knows that Saddam has no mass-killing weapons. It is our soldiers that are attacking some defenseless civilians in the MD,Africa.

Go and watch keyrings made of bones of Afghans kids in the hand of NAto soldiers.

The Q is , why we attacked their countries? Why we insult them in Media, movies, news, ...?

Have you ever read the statistics of WORLD WARS? WEST itself acknowledges that it was responsible for killing innocent? can you imagine?

ISLAMS/KOREA/Africans they all together made zero to humanity compared to west. it is not my claim, it is history written by west.

Tell me how many soldiers of NATO would have been killed if there was no attack on Afghanistan and IRaq?

No one has ever claims that they wand to rule the world, except US and allies.

No one even thinks of doing that, it is your ILLUSION or false advertisement to lubricate your economy gears.

YES, it is your policy, attack to survive, claim, accuse, attack and kill.

and lubricate your unhealthy economy with the blood of other nations.


We in sweden, would never allow people like you to decide for our future. if you want to bring civilization for us by was in Afghanistan , please forgive us and go back to Israel and keep killing kids in GAZA. We know better what is good for us.

You are killing people for you ECONOMY, and the milk you drink everyday is the blood of innocents kids killed in MD and Africa.

Everyday passes and realities are more clear. your extrapolations and ideas are only coming from one point, that is ZIONISM, that is to destroy all EUROPEAN history/ philosophy/ art/ humanity/ religion/. THat is to destroy all we have in Europe.

NO NO, time is gone, No one believes your lies.

12:05 March 7, 2011 by nmcg
Anyone who think there is anything noble about fighting in war, must be living under some kind of ancient Samurai code.

It is about getting the first shot in. The enemy is not wearing a uniform, but they are still killing.

This is just a very efficient weapon.
13:36 March 7, 2011 by Essjay
Wow another new weapon ,another bid for constraint and peace !

Wake up and smell the coffee America Afghanistan is not about war against terrorism it,s about weapon,s technology and sales !

One yank soldier dies means replacing him or her ,the equipment and every bullet fired is another dollar in the pocket of the the manufacturer who has a great place in the Caribbean , relaxing , taking it easy while the cannon fodder keep churning out the profits !

About time America looked deep inside it,s own borders for real terrorists !

How many no-go areas are there , how many people get shot everyday , drug and criminal gangs rule the streets and no area is safe !

Maybe because the criminals have so much power they are in control !

So why not use a weapon like this on your own homegrown threat for once !
14:52 March 7, 2011 by Rick Methven

"Wake up and smell the coffee America Afghanistan is not about war against terrorism it,s about weapon,s technology and sales !"

Which was why David Cameron took a whole posse of arms salesmen with him to Egypt followed by sending an SAS team to Libya.
16:23 March 7, 2011 by skatty
"Science burrows its insulted head in the filth of slaughterous inventions."

20:59 March 7, 2011 by Onepack
I applaud thelocal.se and Svenska Freds- och skiljedomsförening for exposing the horrific story. If Sweden wishes to maintain its neutral postion it should learn how to earn money in a more ethical way. Surely the great engineering minds of Saab and the other arms dealers can think of better ways to use their talents. Shame on you!
21:52 March 7, 2011 by Essjay
In reply ....Cameron like Blair are so pathetic the only way and I repeat the only way they seem to think that the UK can survive is through arms sales !

We no longer manufacture even the basics in the UK but use the steel produced from countries like China to make follow on crap like weapons !

Totally agree Cameron went to Egypt to sell arms xxxk democracy ,he would have licked Gaddafi,s balls if the civil war had not broken out !

Just like Blair money first , Lockerbie afterwards !

So wake up UK and smell your Nescafe !

We as a nation should be on the moon or mars , we have the ability to do this but waste all our talent on war technology

Stop following the losers !

European space truck success

Last US mission ....disaster....wasting their minds on weapon,s technology.... NASA funds slammed .......Chinese astronauts are about to take a ride on the moon rover....

America has brilliant brains and should be on Mars already but apparently some tribe in a remote part of the Earth is far more important

Shxt just like the movies

Sad really
22:46 March 7, 2011 by technoviking
@ Pelle8

"Go and watch keyrings made of bones of Afghans kids in the hand of NAto soldiers."

Haha. You lost all credibility with this line, idiot. Nato soldiers can't p*ss on a flower without 50 human rights groups coming after them for it. And they are walking around wearing dead children's bones?

Go back to whatever anti-semitic, conspiracy nutjob site you normally hang out on, you knob. I'm sure there are some terrorists that want to hear what you have to say.
06:35 March 8, 2011 by volvoman9
So much nonsense. The flechette round has been around for a long time. We used them in Vietnam in jumping anti personel mines. The decaying air dropped cases are littering the jungles to this day.

In the end it doesn't matter who makes the weapon. The capacity for mankind to destroy itself is limitless. We have been at it since the dawn of time. When we really honestly address the issues that cause this we can shake off this mantle of hostility. Banning organized religion would be a good start. Then stripping the corporate machine of political power should follow.

When we start teaching our children to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do instead of teaching them to hate and fear we will be on the right track.

Oh and Essjay. The concept of travel to Mars is a myth; a myth that is perpetuated by the military industrial complex to develop even more death technology. Try reading a bit on it. Humans could not survive the trip even if we had the technology to provide the means. I would elaborate but I fear it would be like pearls before swine.
15:32 March 8, 2011 by fuga
25 afghans at a pop. thats one hell of an effective anti personnel weapon. I bet the rangers in mogadishu would have loved to have a stack of these when the sh&%# started going down.

@ pelle8 Islam is one of the biggest killers on the planet. try millions killed during the conquest of india alone.
18:08 March 9, 2011 by Pelle8
@ technoviking

Just review last month reports of UN about death of civilians in Afghanistan. Maybe you can draw posters of NATO soldiers as GARDENERS in Afghanistan, but today even UN confesses of remarkably rising civilian death tolls in Afghanistan.


You are brainwashed on ISLAMOPHOBIA, and you lords need to keep pace on economy.
02:43 March 10, 2011 by wenddiver
Thanks Sweden, as we can see from the extremist Islamic rants on this site these weapons are definetly needed. If every Free country pitches in we can keep this hateful ideology living in the caves where it belongs. Keep up the good work, the world's safety is all of our business.
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