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Swedish church: don't christen asylum seekers

TT/The Local/gs · 3 Apr 2011, 14:51

Published: 03 Apr 2011 14:51 GMT+02:00

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One of the reasons for the recommendation is because it can cause danger and increase risks if a person who has converted to Christianity is later sent back to their home country.

Another reason is that the motive for the christening can be questioned by some who suggest that asylum seekers convert to Christianity to increase their chances of staying in Sweden.

The issue is being addressed in a Bishops' letter titled, ”The Church's handling in meetings with people from other religious traditions.”

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“There are both pastoral and ethical reasons for the advice,” Helene Egnell of the Center for Religious Dialogue, told newspaper Kyrkans Tidning. “Asylum seekers are in a vulnerable and exposed situaion. A christening doesn't have any affect on the asylum seeking process and brings instead big risk for persecution if someone is sent home.”

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15:22 April 3, 2011 by nickknock
Will this mitigate the effects of out of control immigration?
15:25 April 3, 2011 by Rap43
What do they do, tattoo "I converted to Christianity while I was in Sweden" on their foreheads? If they get sent home, they can quietly resume their previous religious practices... publicly. If they get sent home after a failed attempt at asylum seeking, chances are good they have many pretty significant problems to deal with before anyone asks them "So, convert to any odd religions lately?"

Sounds a lot like outright prejudice mixed with a healthy dose of fear to me... Evangelism is a central pillar of the Christian church. Organized religion of any stripe is quite simply corrupt when it reaches the professional level - the political level.

Perhaps the Bishop should ask his parishioners, his deacons and aid workers overseas if the church should turn away converts?

16:37 April 3, 2011 by matona1
religion is the source of all trouble keep your chrisning to your self all this men of satan
17:09 April 3, 2011 by Frobobbles
What is so interesting here, is that swedish church never critisizes the muslim countries that have the death penalty for apostasy. They just use it as a fact, to motivate refusing to baptise humans as christians. Thus they enforce laws that are against human rights.
17:28 April 3, 2011 by anony1
This is the stupidest way of asylum seeking!
20:34 April 3, 2011 by Swedesmith
Onward Christian soldiers...
23:04 April 3, 2011 by johnny1939
Abolish the stupid Swedish church.if they do not stop being political. How can one refuse to baptize anybody that is what these people are there for!
02:30 April 4, 2011 by ajs42548
I love it. This church who never would criticize Islam no matter what, is actually admitting that Islam is a violent religion. It's admitting that converts that go back to their country of origin might be killed. What other religion does this? Still Islam is above criticism.
05:04 April 4, 2011 by Da Goat
What a load of ......

Christening makes not one iota difference to a believers heart it is just a dumb ceremony that Jesus does not support (he does recommend proper Baptism though)

the church of Sweden has again lost the plot (if they ever had it)
07:45 April 4, 2011 by RobinHood
There's a huge list of Christian saints martyred (usualy horribly) for being Christened.

It's a good job the Swedish church wasn't around at the time, or St George would just be George, Saint Ignatius would just be Iggy, Saint Vincent would just be Vinnie, I won't go on, you get the point.

Most of the churches in Sweden would have to be renamed, and Christianity would have do do without most of its important characters.

Keep up the good work Church of Sweden. You are doing a fine job of representing typical Swedish values to the global Chistian community.
08:35 April 4, 2011 by Kevin Harris
The church seems to be saying the Christian martyrs,and those that Christened them, got it all wrong, and that it would have been better if they had remained pagan and safe.

This is revolutionary stuff; not even Luther went this far.

Does the church plan to present this novel interpretation of Christian faith to scholars? I would love to be there when they do.
10:09 April 4, 2011 by Boyfriend
The concept of God (trinity) in Christianity is confusing and make no sense, that is reason Churches are losing members . in A few years i m sure Europe would be out of trinity.

Yeah about these new convert i can assure you 99,9% of them convert because of paper or it is because Missionary showing them green garden and offer them help money and better life ,This sort of convert is materialistic convert in this world.

And they are the people with very little education and there would not way for them the how the gods function in Christianity because no Priest or even a Pope can explain how trinity works. Because the minute he speaks about it , it would contradict the teaching of Bible.

Check the youtube how the missionaries tricks people specially in India.

Jesus was a Muslim some one who submitted to well of almighty God as he prayed, fasted ,bowed and said my father ( God) is better than I. this is action of Muslims.
10:30 April 4, 2011 by RobinHood

"Jesus was a Muslim ..."

Er Jesus lived and died (allegedly) 2000 years ago. That's 610 years before Islamic faith began. Jews and Moslems share many expressions of worship, but saying "Jesus was a Muslim" is going a bit too far, and might even get you into trouble with your own people. Jesus was a Jew.
11:29 April 4, 2011 by wenddiver
@boyfriend- Hard living a lie isn't it. Truth of the matter is that Jesus and his disciples were ethnic Jews. Just like the people todays terrorists are murdering. Funny how the old testament seems to predict a Mesiah like Jesus, but doesn't predict a blood gorged Prophet who persecutes Women, Gays while advocating murder and slavery.

The truth is, Israel respects your Religion by leaving a Mosque up on the Temple Mound and my Religion by allowing the building of Churches and safeguarding pilgrims, but no other religion is safe in Muslim countries, which just happen to be the most backwards on the planet.
12:20 April 4, 2011 by Roy E
Every new article regarding the Swedish Church exposes more evidence that behind the facade, it's an anti-church and quite the opposite of what it purports itself to be.
13:14 April 4, 2011 by fauconbleu
I am Muslim asylum seeker in Sweden for 3 years, I prefer to die than to convert me, between the residence and my religion I will not hesitate one hundredth of a second to keep my religion, but many refugees have made it ​​and they had their residences, they are opportunists and they made ​​a deal with the devil.

Personally, as a Muslim I have no problem with all religions of God, but to convert it as betraying her soul and if you betrayed god you can betray everyone.
14:39 April 4, 2011 by Boyfriend

Jesus was Jew it does not mean a Jew or Jewish person can not be Muslim.

They are thousands Jew who are Muslims and converting to Islam.

Jew or Jewish is named after tribe , The father of Jude (jew) had 12 sons and one of the son name was Juda, (Jew) But their religion was Islam. It was not Judesim.

Islam means submitting your well to al mighty God .

We Muslims accepts all the messengers and books sent to Jacob, Jesus, Moses and the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon them all.

Prophet Muhammad never said I brought new religion (islam) but he said I am reformer calling back the people of book to worship one God, not stones,ghost

Holy prophet prophet Jesus may God merci be with him worship the one God, He never said about ghost or asked any body to worship him or call him master.

Christianity is the misunderstood religion of the face earth.
15:17 April 4, 2011 by calebian22

Jesus borrowed Dr. Who's Tardis to travel forward in time to convert to Islam.

Boyfriend's concept of time is as ridiculous as his viewpoint on the Trinity. Jesus was a Jew and the divine son of God.
16:45 April 4, 2011 by Boyfriend
Adam the first man were born without father and mother and Adam would be more superior than Jesus if going to say this was born like this and like that.

But all of these Prophets said to worship one God and all of them had one religion which in arabic you call islam (submission to almighty God and worship him alone, Not to worship donkeys,ghost,stones .

But as Muslim i do respect whatever you worship it is completely your freedom of choice, But I would not worship something who depends on others, Jesus needed foods,used toilets . I also believe in his miracles and all was by permission of God.

As Muslim if we do not believe in Jesus pbuh we are out of Islam and we are not Muslims anymore .

The Only religion which makes an artical of faith and asks Muslims to accept, Abraham, Jesus, Moses all non Arabs Messengers is Islam.

Prophet Muhammad pbuh said the Marry mother of Jesus pbuh isthe first lady , He did not say my mohter but said Marry may Allah be pleased with her. An Arab prophet saying not my mother but Jesus mother who is Jew by race is amazing and what makes him say this , this is because they are from the same faith.

The Holy Quran speaks about Marry in detail and Quran has given her the superiority among all other women . One of the chapper of Quran is named after Marry not after mother of Mohammad, and the christian pastor burned the Marry name and Jesus. what a shame. He is not even a christian i understand now.
16:54 April 4, 2011 by calebian22
Believing Jesus was only a prophet is not close enough. You will realize your mistake at the Great White Throne Judgement.
17:19 April 4, 2011 by prince T
As the saying goes "never argue with a fool for peple might not notice the difference"

I can never see myself arguing over the religion of Jesus.
18:46 April 4, 2011 by Sheba
@ calebian...Jesus is not God...the sooner you rid yourself of ignorance...the better for u...@wendiver...Israel is built on stolen land and genocide of millions of palestinian...your sense of justice is warped...you are supporting a terror army thats trying to wipe out muslims from their land....return the land to palestinians,go back to eastern europe and there would be no Israeli/Palestinian conflict...and the palestinians who have fled their country would go back...
19:10 April 4, 2011 by RobinHood

Caleb has a point.

It would be interesting to hear your views on how Jesus might have worshiped Islam, even though Islam, as defined by God to the Prophet did not appear on this earth until 580 years after Jesus' death.

Caleb suggests Jesus used a time machine; I am not really sure about that. Are you able to help me?
20:00 April 4, 2011 by calebian22

You are correct. Jesus is not God. Jesus is the devine Son of God. Like I told your Boyfriend, believing that Jesus is only a prophet is your choice. When you stand before Judgement, you will not be able to claim ignorance, and that no one ever warned you of your arrogance.

As for Israel, it is not muslim land. You don't even have to be religious to know this. The Dome of the Rock is built on top of the Temple Mount.! Again, is there some sort of Dr. Who conspiracy with you muslims?
21:25 April 4, 2011 by Boyfriend

"It would be interesting to hear your views on how Jesus might have worshiped Islam"

Let me correct your question before I tell you about Jesus (pbuh) Jesus did not worship Islam, Islam was his religion and he was Muslim. same like

Abraham,Moses,David,Muhammad,Suleiman,Jacob extra peace be upon them all , and all of them worshipped one God and none of them talked about trinity or gods in three and Trinity word does nt exist in old testament . It is fabricated word later inserted into Bible As every minute Bible are getting changed by its writers.

Jesus came many years after David,Abraham,Moses and Muhammad came after Many years until the religion was complete. It does not mean who came first or last .

Jesus (peace be upon him) speaks about Prophet Muhammad in the Bible.

Mohammad names is also mentioned in the Bible.

Here is a few verses of Bible:

Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

Check the last sentense of Jesus " He shall glorify me" And Mohammad peace be upon has glorified the Jesus .

Muhammad the Arab glorify the Jew why? why? because the are brothers in faith and all Muslims are brothers and sisters in faith.

Robinhood you are not Muslim but you are my cousin in fact :) you are just a misguided =) (kidding bro) , who goes against even the Bible teaching.

Do a search for Mohammad name in the Bible.

22:23 April 4, 2011 by RobinHood
Thank you Boyfriend.
23:24 April 4, 2011 by Boyfriend
You are welcome Robinhood,
08:03 April 5, 2011 by prince T
HOLY SPIRIT IS THE COMFORTER and not Mohammed. It is wrong to mislead people with false impression on the bible. I will show further scriptures and the greek meaning of the word comforter if there is a need for it. PLease read the chapter further to VS 13

(John 16:13 KJV) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
11:19 April 5, 2011 by Boyfriend
@prince T


The Holy Spirit was there when the Jesus was, and it was before Jesus The Holy was there when they baptized Jesus Christ..

You telling me that Holy spirit was not there you would speak against Bible.

You go a few verse and Jesus says, I must depart so another would come and he shall glorify me and you guys believe they are all the same father son and ghost and why would i glorify myself. make no sense.

Even thought we Muslims believes that a Bible is fabricated words of Greek scholar who are highly educated in writing and we know the Jesus followers were simple guys and could not read and let alone they could write something.

The Bible you have is greek, Its name is Greek, everything from Bible,Jesus,Christian everythings are greek words and guess what Jesus did not speak Greek, he was not greek and his followers were not greeks.

What is by the day holy Spirit a person or ghost +
11:26 April 5, 2011 by Jes
The protestant church is weak and unprincipaled . No wonder one of them thinks like this .

If anybody wants to convert for whatever reason , the church should accept him the same way Jesus did with those who abandoned their old traditions and followed Him.

If they are doing it "for pappers" , what is so wrong with that ? How many Kenyan and Ethiopian athletees have been stonned to death for converting to Islam before they can run for Quatar or Saudi Arabia ? None !!!

Sweden has a marathon runner from Kenya who is called Izabela Svenson .. What happened to her Kenyan name and identity ? Who is to say that she did not "convert to Swedish " to improve her chances in life ? What about all the imported women from Thailand ? Does the Swedish Church refuse to perfom marriage ceremonies for them because thiers might be a marriage of convenience ?

The church`s position is very dangerous . What if ICA refuses to sell pork to muslim asylum-seekers for the same reason ? Where does this STOP ?

Next the Churrch will be advising asylum -seekers to circumusize their girls (for safety) in case they are sent back ?

This Bishop should be charged for discrimination . One should not be denied a service just because one is an asylum-seeker .
12:08 April 5, 2011 by technoviking
"Don't bother warning the disbelievers. Allah has made it impossible for them to believe so that he can torture them forever after they die."

Surah 2:6-7
20:21 April 5, 2011 by ironman294
The swedish church is a sham. DO any of them evern really believe in God anymore. I remember one pastor who showed a pro-life video in a church. A congregant complained and the head of the Swedish church threatened to kick him out of the order unless he apologized? What uselessness. Where is trying to live as Christ lived?

You are supposed to spread the word and evangelize.

Much like being a soldier in many european countries, its just a uniform and not much else.
22:55 April 5, 2011 by prince T
(John 14:15 KJV) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

(John 14:16 KJV) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

(John 14:17 KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


There is not one single refernce to Mohammed in the bible Boyfriend. One thing is to be against the bible another thing is to want to manipulate the what the bible says. You can say whatever you like about the TRUTH which is your perogative. The truth will alway be the truth and the evidence is there for everybody to see. I will not respond to you again after this.

(Matthew 28:19 KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

23:11 April 5, 2011 by jomamas
"religion is the source of all trouble keep your chrisning to your self all this men of satan"

I'm sorry, but your understanding of religion is as out of synch with your grasp of English.

To be sure, some religious people fail in their power, but most do quite well and are the pillars of our moral foundation, and overall, the source of our spiritual enlightenment in this world.

Perhaps you should consider the success of Christendom (i.e. 'the West') as testament of this fact.
23:35 April 5, 2011 by cattie
I am a christian.

Abolish the Church of Sweden. They can re-brand themselves as the Reformed Unity Church. Then they can move on with an identity more closely aligned with their mission. Ahem, I mean lack of mission.
01:44 April 6, 2011 by rise
The Bible has this figure Jesus among others.

The Fellowship of the Ring has a figure named Bilbo, among other figures.

What these books have in common is that they're both fairy tales. And in the same fashion I'd also like to mention The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan...

And what's more..? Ah yes, the toilet paper Koran with its tale of Muhammad (hallowed be thy ass) which has just as much credibility as Donald Duck I believe.
04:25 April 6, 2011 by Boyfriend
@ Prince T

Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

More over

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem."

In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.


John chapter 14 verse 16:

"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."


Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."


Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not

come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you"

Bible is not trust worthy because it has more than 40 writers and it was written by Greek Historian and scholars . None of these writers of Bible were talker or walker with Jesus and these guys wrote it like 40 to 80 years and in many cases hundred hundred years after Jesus. They have twisted the scripts and played with them, Some of them by purpose , some of them while copying another writer because there was not copy right things on that time and some of them by mistakes , you see you have more than 40 writers and the whole mission of Jesus according to Bible was 3 years and the rest of his life he was not doing anything and in three years of mission now we have like 100 of Bibles , Do nt you think it is too much non of old religious guys have such huge amount of scripts.

Bible is drive from greek word Bibliotek it means many books it is greek and Jesus was not greek nor he wrote it.

What I tell you is what I learnt from Christian Scholars who got PhDs in Bible .

If you are religious Christian you should accept the last testament the Holy Quran .

07:06 April 6, 2011 by Rick Methven

"If you are religious Christian you should accept the last testament the Holy Quran "

If the Bible is myth, then the Koran is a complete pile of bull sh*t.

You would be well advised to stop your proselytising on this forum. Your rhetoric is a major cause of dissent.

Continue and you will probably be banned
08:47 April 6, 2011 by Elias06
@boyfriend Im Muslim and i fuc.kING dont understand what are you doing on this forum .

Serieusly are you here to teach us ? to recruit anyone ? i dont understand how every fuc.ing article is good for you to bring all your knowledge ,if you a convinced man live your religion peacefully and leave others who dont want it live the way they want.... im sure you know a lot of intresting things you want to share but this is not the place for that plz
09:10 April 6, 2011 by rise
I think it's ppl like this Boyfriend whom are becoming suicide bombers so other ppl better keep the distance.
14:05 April 6, 2011 by Boyfriend

The topic is about Christian and new converts. The local has opened this section for us to discuss it and as citizen of this country I am able to discuss it.

Truth hurts I understand this, maybe your knowledge of Bible is limited tht you do not know what i am talking about. i am simply answering the prince T questions.

@ Rick

I am not breaking any law or TOS of thelocal. But you can clearly see who attacks Islam and Muslims they should be banned and your comments should be removed as well.


There are many sad people who barks here when they can not debate and convince someone then they start twisting the matter into another subject.
14:26 April 6, 2011 by Rick Methven

You clearly have not read the Terms of use that you agreed to abide by when you registered on The Local

One point is that you may not make posts that: contain political or religious propaganda

You fall foul of that rule in 90% of your posts
15:10 April 6, 2011 by rise
"There are many sad people who barks here when they can not debate and convince someone then they start twisting the matter into another subject."

Agree, so why not look in the first mirror you happen to pass by. You aren't debating but only trying to indoctrinate. Why don't you save your dogma's for some suicide bomber or the likes.

As for me I won't debate on a subject which is only boring me (to speak out my opinion now and then about different subjects is not debating).
15:56 April 6, 2011 by Boyfriend
@ Rick M

Your comments #38 is counted as an insult and violation of Thelocal TOU anyways I am not here to teach you guys how to have respect.

Robinhood asked me the questions, I have answered him and He thanked me.

TheLocal publishes news about any issues, like Political news,Science , religious, and Allow us to express and comments. The minute our comments violates the law it would be removed . And we can not complain or take the matter to the court.

There are many Non- Muslims who insults Islam and Muslims and none of you guys comments on them but instead you encourage them to insult more.

If you do not like my comments you ignore them as I ignore many here and chil and relax :)
16:19 April 6, 2011 by Rick Methven

Many of those who post vitriol against Muslims on this forum, often accuse me of being a Muslim/Muslim lover etc. when all I do is promote tolerance by ALL. You have the right to follow your faith as you want, what you do not have is the right to push your beliefs down the throat of others. You do yourself or other Muslims no favours by doing so as you are playing into the hand of those who are strongly anti-Muslim. Trying to make Christians accept that Mohammed is the one that the Bible is referring to and pushing for acceptance of Islam as THE faith to Jews and Christians is Religious propaganda and only stirs up trouble. This thread is about Christians and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Islam, so kindly BUT OUT.
17:16 April 6, 2011 by Boyfriend

We hope to see as Muslim my brother haha I am just teasing you.

All I am trying to give an information about Islam when we are being shown as terrorists and we all know that campaign against Islam and Muslims are everywhere. I just help them to understand it is not the case.

I forgot to mention and apologize to our Christians and Jewish brothers /sisters, That some of these sort of information and debates might hurt or upset us. But there are many things are being said on these forums and news, Tv medias which my comments are nothing it is just a bit informative and once again I am sorry if i hurt anyone with this debate and I love you all so I quit this threat.

Peace be with you guys :)
19:27 April 8, 2011 by jimfromcanada
I think it is the church's prime mandate to spread the Good News of Jesus' salvation. That would include welcoming people who seek to do likewise into the church. The first sign that a person is a part of the Body of Christ (the church) is baptism.

In the early days of the church a bishop had to be really convinced that a candidate for baptism was really prepared to take on the task of following Jesus before baptizing them. The reason for this is that under persecution Christians could endanger the whole church if they gave in to torture and betrayed their fellow Christians.

It is not uncommon for Muslims who have converted to Christianity to be killed in some Muslim countries. So being betrayed can have lethal consequences. So Bishops have to make sure that there is real commitment to faith for converts who may return to Muslim countries for the protection of them as well as other Christians there.

As far as Muhummed being in the Song of Songs 5:16 is concerned, Mahamed means beloved or precious in Hebrew. All of us who have been called that by our mothers or spouses therefore are mentioned in the Bible, not just Muhumed of Medina.
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