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Protesters rally against Sweden Democrat march

TT/The Local/kh · 10 Apr 2011, 14:52

Published: 10 Apr 2011 14:52 GMT+02:00

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The group of counter-demonstrators began to gather at 1pm outside the city library in central Gothenburg at Götaplatsen.

A short while later a white bus rolled up to Götaplatsen and out stepped several people from SDU dressed in yellow shirts and carrying Swedish flags.

Counter-demonstrators stood up immediately and started chanting "No racists in our streets!"

All of Götaplatsen was blocked just before the 2pm start of SDU’s scheduled demonstration.

The Sweden Democrats' youth league organised Sunday's demonstration to protest against what the group perceives as "anti-Swedish" currents in society.

"We are demonstrating against anti-Swedishness in general, something which is characteristic of society," SDU leader William Hahne told The Local ahead of the rally.

There was about 30 metres between counter-demonstrators and SDU representatives with police officers and barricades standing between the two groups, reported the TT news agency.

Shortly after 2pm, SDU began their march from Götaplatsen along Avenyn toward Kungsportsplatsen.

Police created a path with the help of buses and police horses so that the march could move forward.

Counter-demonstrators sat down in front of the buses in an attempt to stop them.

The atmosphere was described as rancorous but without violence by TT’s on-site reporter.

Approximately 100 to 150 people from SDU were expected to participate in the Sunday rally.

Counter-demonstrators will be between 500 and 1,000 persons, guessed Nord.

Several sites in central Gothenburg will be cordoned off during the afternoon.

In addition, about 40 policemen from Skåne arrived by bus this morning to Gothenburg.

"We wanted an extra tactical reserve department," said the commanding police chief.

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Nord would not confirm the total number of police officers involved in today’s demonstrations, but did say that the efforts correspond to that of a major high-risk football game.

The expected counter-demonstration does not have official permission - but two areas near Götaplatsen and Kungsportsplatsen had been cordoned off with the expectation that it would occur.

“Counter-demonstrators have an equal right to be protected," said Nord.

One person was detained during the demonstration, but no one was arrested.

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17:15 April 10, 2011 by Iraniboy
Tens of thousands of tax money wasted for police support and train/bus cancellations in Gothenbirg todday. I wonder who is supposed to pay for this!

SD is cooking for May election in Västra Götalanad so they were hoping to draw some attention ad and invoke anti-SD illogical behavior. This is how far-right groups grow. They never solve the problem they talk about. They would rather worsen it to gain more for the next election!
17:35 April 10, 2011 by calebian22
SD 2014! As soon as they are big enough, they will start fixing the problem. PPV in Holland didn't reach 15% overnight. Give it time Iraniboy.
17:56 April 10, 2011 by TheOneWhoTravels
That is really commendable for the young people in the SDU to care about their country that much, and to speak out about a very important issue of the day. Three cheers for the SDU! More power to you!

I agree, SD 2014!

18:04 April 10, 2011 by eppie
The PVV in Holland does not have any solution. In the half year in which the support the current governing parties they have shown their true face.

The want power, they give the finger to many people that voted for them (low educated people with low incomes), they are now one of the political right wing elite only interested in a type of italian politics.

The only thing they do is whining about the right to wear a headscarf in regional buses in some agricultural area.....oh yeah and spend tax payers money with their useless ideas.

All these rightwing parties are for and bye low educated people who blame other for not being able to get good grades in school.
18:06 April 10, 2011 by Rebel
What a perfect example of fascism at work -- and I am not referring to the Swedish Democrats.
18:09 April 10, 2011 by calebian22

So six months is enough to fix years and years of loony leftist policy? The problem was not created in six months. The solution will not be found in 6 months either.
18:22 April 10, 2011 by Iraniboy

They will never fix anything. If they do, they will automatically end to their cause and party! For populist ideologies, the only way to gain more popupalirty is to make situation worse and to gain more out of it. That's what SD is doing now. Provoking and hating more people and hoping that they will react.

For those who didn't read teh article completely, it is 100-150 persons who have gathered from all over Sweden including Skåne! How can this represent anything?
18:27 April 10, 2011 by Davesig
Leftist solutions are always under rightist/corporate attack to hinder the progress possible. The Sweden of the sixties was far more sucessful until the Moderata sucesses in lowering the marginal top tax rates in response to advancing globalisation by rightist corparate interests.
18:58 April 10, 2011 by jimmy1988
Gothenburg is 3rd Swedish city with more immigrants. I wonder of those 500 - 1000 protesters against SDU were Swedes.
19:03 April 10, 2011 by TheOneWhoTravels
They were probably mostly Muslims of foreign origin.
19:30 April 10, 2011 by technoviking
So much for "free speech" and "tolerance" in Sweden.

The courage of these young people to stand up to these fascist-open border fanatics is commendable.

SD in 2014... Allah willing!
19:53 April 10, 2011 by Localer
SD 2014 !!!
19:56 April 10, 2011 by Irishmanabroad
I stumbled upon this today and yes, the protesters had man "non-Swedes" among them, but there were plenty of "swedish" looking people among them too. Given that the country is made up of many nationalities, I'd say the "protesters" were more representative of the people of Sweden.

And you have reported incorrectly, it wasn't "no racists in our streets" I seemed to translate it as "no facists in our street" You could argue that facists are racists, but it is a difference of words that is key to the piece.
20:30 April 10, 2011 by truthworthy
Good job. Racists should be confronted at all places and all times.

Fortunately the Swedish society is not poisoned. Soon SD and it is disease will disappear just like that other party in the 1990,s. I am guessing they will not make to the riskdagen in 2014.
21:19 April 10, 2011 by Syftfel
The egg throwing extreme, liberal, left never fails to disappoint. They really don't want to hear opinions other than their own. Hence they've managed to sqew the definition of "democracy" , which they really don't belive in anyway. Clearly there is a disconnect between these neurotic, shrieking, extremist liberals and the Swedish people. They are the - foreordained - socialist aristochracy that lives off the Swedish tax payer, and are born witout the gene for shame. Why can't they at least accept a diveriging opinion without resorting to the pavlovian 'racist'? A thriving democracy WILL have disagrements, but why does it have to involve violence and the throwing of eggs? Many decent Swedes think that islam is a tumor in its midst. Why can't these totalitarian liberals allow them to have that opinion? This is nothing more than racism from the left.
21:23 April 10, 2011 by hatim
one mans hero is another man's villan.

If you belong to the Nazi party then Hitler was a hero for you. If you belong to Alqaeda, then Bin Laden is/was hero for you.

What happens to the people in the middle?
21:26 April 10, 2011 by Iraniboy

"Many decent Swedes think that islam is a tumor in its midst."

hehe I assume you're not living in Sweden at all or if you do, your circle of friends and acquitances is limited to your family and yourself!

The fact is that the majority of Swedes don't care what Islam and they have same feeling about Chrisitianity as well. What they are very sensible is when bigoted racists try to ban other people. Because the opinion of bigotery and racism is not tolerated even if it is a right! Nobody can forget what happened in Europe in 1950s!
21:36 April 10, 2011 by flobalob
They join the SD.
21:44 April 10, 2011 by eddie123
SD is becoming popular within Sweden because it earns the respect and votes of Swedes. Going on the streets to attack and throw eggs at them amounts to hypocrisy of the highest kind. In a democracy, there must be a divergence of view points whilst the majority wins. SD is not an evil; if you don't like their ideals, don't vote for them. However, when a considerable chunk of the population votes for SD and affords the party 20 or so seats in parliament, you've got to them respect and take their views seriously.
22:16 April 10, 2011 by Rebel
Reinfeldt and that Groucho Marx look a like are certainly not appealing options.
23:30 April 10, 2011 by tgolan
"democracy" what is it , when those who you agree with get to speak??? Zola said it best " I hate what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" . these violent leftists will only make the SD stronger. The violent Left only helps the SD by making their arguments for them, just look at Denmark, Norway Holland and the Swiss..... It's not the SD we need to worry about but their supporters the leftists who will help them grow
23:49 April 10, 2011 by johnny1939
More Swedes agree w/ SD than one might think and it is getting worse. They are biding their time just wait and you will see a lot of things seem to be going on underground.
00:34 April 11, 2011 by yyyvxyyy
yes ...historical graph of Europe show SD will have more public favors and it serves many international as well as local purposez

economies of Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain next people are in economic depression and naturally it will make every one think conservative.

i dont think theses countries are able to pay back and that will cause second economic depression wave .

USD vs EUR once again hot debate and i dont see any future of EUR after 10 years US once again need EU as they once needed after WWII cause they have another cold war.

After fall of USSR we live in unipolar world and countries in EU always very predictable with her. so US is is hunting oil in all world why they will invest for green or left parties.

Only reason why European countries need foreigners because to fix their budget deficit to support their old age population and as well a moral support that they dont want any more Nazi party

lets see what comes next
02:12 April 11, 2011 by Syftfel
@yyyvxyyy: I have absolutely no idea what you're convey in #25. Zippo. But if my hunch is correct, it has something to with islam conquering the world, and sharia laws ruling all behavior in Europe, and their will be a mosque in every hamlet. And we will all obey the word of your prophet, after allah's avengers have killed enough dhimmees(of which I ame one). Good luck honey cakes! I'm voting SD next time.
02:54 April 11, 2011 by mendesmeirelles
I'm Brazilian(also a Portuguese citizen) and I'm looking forward to study in Sweden next year,been there visiting on my holydays and loved your country.Even though I'm a foreigner,I can't help to say that I support some of the SD ideas.I Believe that if Swedes doesn't kick out the criminal,welfare/asylum seeking immigrants(who are a burden on the state and doesn't want to live the swedish culture) of the country, one of the best models for the world will become Swedenistan in a few years.You can say that I'm crazy for say this as an Immigrant,but i sincerely hope that I'll have a good time in Sweden and have a friendly relation with you guys,I do not want to be mistaken as an unwanted immigrant who doesn't want to learn swedish and respect the true owners of the land.

I hope there is no hard feelings between portuguese,brazilians and swedes.

Gabe Meirelles
03:55 April 11, 2011 by From_San_Diego_to_Sodermalm
Who posted that youtube of Pat Conlon!?

That is genius! Scroll above and watch that youtube.

Everyone, do it now.
06:04 April 11, 2011 by cmbsweden
The turn to the far right is what has practically destroyed the economy in the USA. Right now, Sweden ranks number one in world economies per capita; why would anyone want to "fix" that?

Lot of you need to get a clue and get over your xenophobic selves. SD is a cancer.
08:19 April 11, 2011 by wenddiver
@Mendesmeirelles- Your going to have a great time, because you already respect the people and the Country.

These Swedes are just marching, because they are tired of Islamists abusing their hospitality. To move into somebody else's country, not work and live of the government and then top it off by making excuses for terrorists trying to kill your host country's children is rude and nasty in all cultures.

I have met a lot Brazilians in the US who teach Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in the MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) and they are all pretty good natured. By the way if you know any "Smoking Snakes" (Brazil's World War II Veterans) thank them for their Service for me.
09:15 April 11, 2011 by rise
@ mendesmeirelles: Swedes in general may appear cold and stiff but if he/she lets you in you'll probably have a loyal friend for life. And I'm sure that people you get in contact with pretty soon will see your true intentions of being in Sweden - that's when you'll get accepted. However you'll probably have to be prepared for people on the street whom are taking you for only but an other refuge - at least until they hear you speak that wonderful language of yours..! :)
10:43 April 11, 2011 by Angry Ami
Yo, not that I support right wing racist ideas, but, enough already, Sweden was nice enough to let these folks into the country over decades, and now the newcomers are trying to take over, something a good guest never does, you guys should start doing what the Finns do, when the guests don't behave themselves, then they are put out, no arguing, no getting a lawyer and appealing to the EU court on human rights, it's hey you came in, you broke our rules and now we out you out, bye bye, and have a nice trip, that's how it's done.

And for those guests who follow the rules and don't make trouble, enjoy.

11:12 April 11, 2011 by liban91
i agree with angeri ami
11:17 April 11, 2011 by an22ff
@Mendesmeirelles! you hv been here on holidays and you know already alot about sweden and swedes. people like you are successfull every where coz you hv an art. the "art of ass kissing". i hv seen people like you in organizations, schools, universities and many other place and pretty much in every country who are always with the stronger or help the stronger to crush the weaks.

As a normal person do you really think that it worth loosing your family, your home and your business or every penny you got in a war (which you hv nothing to do) just to come to sweden and enjoy the "luxury" life as an asylum?

Who said the immigrants don't work? May be not all of them but I hv seen many of them baking pizzas for 14 hrs or doing cleaning or driving buses.

What about swedes who don't work & don't want to work? Many of them can't work in multinationals just coz they can't learn English? I am afraid the amount of those swedes is quite more than immigrants.

As far as SD is concern they blame immigrants either way. if they work then "immigrants are taking our jobs " & if they don't "immigrants are taking our money". come on....

I am glad the society(swedes) still believe in humanity and they stands with the needy and weak regardless of religion and race. I selute them.
11:41 April 11, 2011 by liban91
@an2ff are u swedish
12:51 April 11, 2011 by an22ff
@liban91. No not by birth. I was born in Pak.
12:58 April 11, 2011 by Newbluevim
After almost a decade of power, the far right DF in Denmark has not solved any problems. Violence in immigrant neighborhoods continues to grow. The Danish economy actually shrunk last year faster than any other national economy in Northern Europe - compare that to Sweden's which had record growth.

One recent trend is that Danish industry is moving out of Denmark. A reason for this is because it is very difficult for foreign, educated workers to get work permits. One of DF's most recent proposals is to require non-EU/non-refugee foreigners to buy private health insurance even though they pay as much tax as everyone else. At best this will keep away foreign workers who come to Denmark ready to work and with their education already paid for.

The DF's other recent proposal is to require the male newborns of all non-EU citizens to have their DNA registered in a national registry. This is not only an infringement on civil liberties but will also certainly cost more than it will benefit Denmark.

The policies of these far right parties do more harm than good. They do little to address real problems and only create class warfare between immigrants who are used as scapegoats for all of the nations problems and non-immigrants. The direct victims of Denmark's xenophobic immigration policy are foreign family of Danes and skilled, educated foreign workers - a demographic that reflects many of the people on this site. Criminal refugees have more rights than you and they are not the ones who will be affected by anti-immigrant legislation.
14:53 April 11, 2011 by jbat
Red Neck or KKK.... American know better about this...

p/s : So funny many immigrants here talked like Sweden is their own home country referring other immigrants as "immigrants".. lol.. go back to your own crap US land dude! (or you guys cannot live there anymore since black people already conquer your own country... lol)
14:55 April 11, 2011 by Grippen
Newbluevim - you just wrote: "Criminal refugees have more rights than you " - completely agree with you here.

But why do you write " they are not the ones who will be affected by anti-immigrant legislation."? This is precisely what nationalist parties are going to fix. I gues you are misinformed by left-wing corporative media. Check sites like http://nd.se http://sverigedemokraterna.se and see for yourself.
15:18 April 11, 2011 by yyyvxyyy
why Canada, US are better in integration and EU always has a bad history, perhaps it is social system and European mind which dont give acceptance.

@Newbluevim Danish economy is still doing better even after 2007 crises and giving green cards and taking new people. ask any international student in sweden they will tell you where they been working during study.

at same time economy is shrinking in a longer trend(all over scandanavia) because in this globalization era private sector dont want to pay high taxes you will also see lot such examples in sweden, at same time sweden is tring best to promote new entrepreneurs because they are running out.

if European investor is moving and Europe lack educated man power then what SD or DF possible can do except giving a false hop they blame immigrants either way. if they work then "immigrants are taking our jobs " & if they don't "immigrants are taking our money"

SD may propose that EU should split again coz they think they are better then Muslims,Roma,Polish, Bulgarian people , come on man we all are human equal as we can and what diffrance is there when barbarian people fight for religion and now they fight for race/nationality
15:28 April 11, 2011 by mendesmeirelles
Comment: @wenddiver and @rise thank you for your words,I agree with you guys.I have people in my family who served in the WWII,unfortunately they are not around us anymore but we are very proud of what they did.It was a small army but they were true brave and honored men.The term Smoking Snakes was chosen as their motto because at the time it was rumored that Hitler had said in a speech that "It is easier to see a Snake smoking a Cigarette than to see Brazil entering the war against the axis."

and @an22ff,probably you've never been to Brazil,but here in Sao Paulo we have a large community of Arab immigrants and they mostly don't have problems integrating and are very hard working people,I'm white skinned with european family but i have friends from different backgrounds.

Its the small portion of Islam radicals that worries me.Recently we have a School shooting in Rio,and even though the guy was a lunatic,the news are stating that there are evidences that he was in contact with Islam fundamentalists and jihadist websites. I Believe that when you are living/studying in a foreign country,you always should be grateful for being a guest in the country,and keep in mind that its your obligation to take the first step towards integration.This is not ass kissing, this is respect to the people who let you in in the first place. The Swedish people need to apply a "zero tolerance" approach towards crime and rove.Crimes against woman and children should be severely punished,I don't know why swedish authorities are so complacent about it,unfortunately here in Brazil we also have a very "light" penal code,that lets murderers in the streets in numerous occasions.
15:36 April 11, 2011 by Newbluevim
Grippen- That is their rhetoric, but that has not been the tactics of the DF in Denmark. As Pia Kjærsgaard, the DF's leader, has spoken at SD rallies in Sweden I do not suspect their strategy to be very different.

The hands of the government are tied when dealing with refugees. If they wanted fewer refugees moving to Sweden they would push the issue at the EU level so that refugees would face being settled in Bulgaria even if they came to Sweden. The solutions they do propose like "no more foreigners in Malmö" which was actually in the municipal slate during the election here in Malmö are utter nonsense and would not solve any problems. The policy that DF has pushed forward for almost a decade is inhumane and a violation of the rights of Denmark's citizens - the Danish victims being those who want to live with or employ foreigners.

Do not fall for their rhetoric. In Sweden we have the advantage to see what these parties have already done across Europe.

yyyvxyyy- The Danish economy has not recovered since the crisis and the Swedish economy has been growing. I have trouble following your arguments.
15:50 April 11, 2011 by Grippen
Newbluevim - you are wrong. DF is backing removal of so called rasismparagrafen in Denmark, the one, which is giving more rights to imigrants, compared to indigenous citizens.
16:51 April 11, 2011 by bramblebush
Sweden for the Swedish. How novel. How logical. Send those parasitic invaders back to thier homeland. Now!
17:04 April 11, 2011 by Newbluevim
Grippen- You do not know what you're talking about. Racismeparagraffen does not give special rights to immigrants. It is the Danish version of "hets mot folkgrupp" law. They have also tried to remove it before and were unsuccessful.
20:38 April 11, 2011 by jimthat
there is a thing i dont undertand why am i obliged to mix myself and my sons and my future generations with people that is not white ? sincerely i think the white race is the more beautyfull of all .well other races may think different

thats all right for them . but that is not an obligation for me to mix .

in the usa the scientist made an experiment by showing to babies the faces of many people

they kept looking the longest time to the least monkey like faces .that is the more white like ones
23:31 April 11, 2011 by technoviking
@ Newbluevim

Perhaps we should ask the French instead about the nightmare that follows when you do nothing to stop the invasion of Islamo-fascism.

Perhaps you should think about the OTHER minorities, women, gays, Jews, etc... and consider what happens to them if Islam is allowed to grow in power. One look at the Muslim world will give you an answer. Mysogyny, persecution and extreme violent intolerance.

But of course, 70 years ago you would have probably advised us to ignore the Nazis as well.

Fortunately, some people aren't going to just look the other way.
23:58 April 11, 2011 by mendesmeirelles
France is finally doing the right thing.
00:48 April 12, 2011 by Jannik
@ Newbluevim

You are distorting the facts concerning Denmark.

"After almost a decade of power, the far right DF in Denmark has not solved any problems. Violence in immigrant neighborhoods continues to grow."

DF has less than 15% of the votes, and is only support for the government. They do not have the power that you seem to suggest. Blaming them for all immigrant problems is simply ludicrous.

And the local government in Copenhagen and Aarhus, which is by far plagued by most of the immigrant crime, is run by social democrats.

This is why the leftys are promoting sleezy multicultural policies locally.

The reason immigrant crime is still a very big problem, and has gotten worse in the last 10 years, is because of demographics. The number of males aged 15-45 years, originating in "non-western countries" has quadrupled since 1990!

The country has been flooded with muslims and africans during the last 20 years, combined with higher birth rates compared to the indigenous population, this results in a huge increase of the crime rate.

the government has tried to reduce the number of refugess and family reunifications from these countries, but has not succeded very well.

This is not DFs fault, but caused by EU rules undermining national sovereignty, and the right to autonomously devise immigration policy.
09:31 April 12, 2011 by samwise
jimthat, you ask "am I obliged to mix myself and my sons and my future generations with people that is not white ?" clearly the answer is no. Everybody has preferences. But when we are drowning, who cares the look of the saving hand?
09:41 April 12, 2011 by wenddiver
@jimthat- Before you decide that Northern Europe is the only place capable of producing beautiful women, you might want to vacation in Polenysia onces. Trust me HMS Bounty's crew didn't mutiny, because they wanted to stay out there and live on bread fruit.
10:18 April 12, 2011 by Grippen
@Newbluevim - haven't you written "Criminal refugees have more rights than you" ?

And this is because of "racismeparagraffen" in Denmark and "hets mot folkgrupp" law in Sweden. DF is clearly against "racismeparagraffen" - I don't understand how you can be against DF and criminal refugees having more righs simultaneously. Or is it just hypocrisy?
14:13 April 12, 2011 by Newbluevim
Jannik - DF has been able to influence the sitting government regarding almost all of its immigration policy. DF has generally social democratic social policy but agrees to vote with the right wing parties if they will support DF's demands for immigration. They have had much more power on that issue than you seem to realize. You are also reinforcing my point. The DF does not have the power to control rights granted through the EU. They are a bluff and they do not solve any problems. In the meantime, they have made life hell for a growing number of Danes, their foreign families and foreign workers.

Grippen- hets mot folkgrupp does not guarantee special rights to refugees. Refugees have more rights because they have certain rights granted by the EU that other foreigners do not have. SD will not have the power to change that even if they get 20% in the national election. Instead they will attack foreign workers and families of citizens, which is what has happened in Denmark. I never said I was for criminal refugees having more rights. I have only said that DF has not been able to do anything about it and neither will SD.
14:20 April 12, 2011 by Rick Methven
"I have only said that DF has not been able to do anything about it and neither will SD."

Which is why both these parties just like the UKIP want to leave the EU, but still are willing to take EU money to sit in Strasbourg
15:07 April 12, 2011 by Jannik

The only thing DF can be accused of is endorsing to much public spending on certain welfare benefits.

On the other hand, reducing non-western immigration, which they support, will improve the economy. Especially the government budget.

Non western immigrants and their descendents costs the danish society between 15-20 billion danish kr. per year. This is only counting direct losses in lost taxes and financial benefits. The welfare costs, caused by a disproportionately higher drain on public welfare, makes this figure somewhat to lowly estimated.

Immigration is therefore no economic benefit to society, unless it is highly skilled immigration, which is a proxy for "western immigrants".

"The policies of these far right parties do more harm than good. They do little to address real problems and only create class warfare between immigrants who are used as scapegoats for all of the nations problems and non-immigrants."

this is not correct at all.Immigrants are not responsible for all problems in society, even a "far right" person like myself can realize this. You are constructing a strawman.

Pointing out problems is not the same thing as creating them. Sweden has at least the same problems as denmark has, regarding immigration, and they have not had "far right" parties in parlament in years.

So your theory seems to be completely off.

" The direct victims of Denmark's xenophobic immigration policy are foreign family of Danes and skilled, educated foreign workers - a demographic that reflects many of the people on this site. Criminal refugees have more rights than you and they are not the ones who will be affected by anti-immigrant legislation. "

I actually agree, This is a real problem. But this is not the fault of DF. This has to do with EU legislation, and the prohibition of distinguishing between different types of immigrants.

Its a catch 22, deny the reunification of muslims, and you deny the rights of ethnic danes to reunify with their foreign spouses. Or you let every single individual reunify.

Which is prefereble? I know which one i would pick, but i dont think we agree on this.

You still wrongly assume that the demographic development is of limited relevance. Massive immigration and its consequences was already well on its way when the rightwing government took over in 2001.

You are simply overestimating the influence of DF.

The EU and its totalitarian development in the last decade, was not foreseable as you seem to imply. The EU courts have dramatically increased its power in the last 10 years, and the liberals and conservatives have not objected to this development to any large extent.

This is not DFs fault. And this does not entail that DF is to blame.

Why dont you blame the government for not revolting against the EU?

Is it because you actually support this superstate?
15:41 April 12, 2011 by StuartM
SD are a bunch of narrow-minded, racist fools who have no place in modern Sweden. All they can do is blame the country's problems on the weak while ignoring the true cause and that is the right-wing pro-capitalist policies of successive Social Democrat and Moderate-led governments.

I fully support the protesters in Göteborg by the way and personally look forward to fighting the SD and other racist scum when I move to Sweden later this year. Only militant action can defeat the fascists and drive them off our streets.

Inga fascister på våra gator!
16:10 April 12, 2011 by Jannik

Spoken like a true violent anti-democratic communist.

Its always nice when people reveal their true colours.This is way more honest in the long run.

please, keep up this style of debate. People want to know what you lefties truly stand for.
17:56 April 12, 2011 by jimthat
this antiprotest was just another show of force from immigrants .they mean we have power

we will outnumber swedes in a few years

and by then we will have made these sd illegal they will take our country our culture our wommen our race our houses and so on .

but we were guilty of that .we let them do whatever now they are starting to take influential positions in the swedish society like doctors (authorithy) teachers (brainwashing of kids )housework (also acces to lnfluence children)

we should have an special alert of who is forming our children

i mean they must share our same values
18:21 April 12, 2011 by Playmaker
do you think i am a immigrant? all the sweds i know dont think so. have a swedish wife (blond hair blue eyes) have been working as a electrican for 4 year paying a bunch of taxes 110,000sek this year. my son was born here in stockholm and have a large swedish family that lives here. I am a duel citizen but am really a American through and through and speak bad swedish. voted for SD also. i dont feel like a immigrant. my tv, music, movies, clothing, and the love of lightly clothed women are almost the excat same as the US and this is the same for every other American i have meet while living here.

What do you say?
08:35 April 13, 2011 by Newbluevim
Playmaster - You don't seem to understand that, had SD pursued the same policies in Sweden as DF has in Denmark before you came, you would not have had the right to move to Sweden. You would not have had the right to pay 110,000 kr in taxes this year. You would not have had the right to have a son in Sweden. It is not a matter what your friends and family think of you. Danes are often shocked when they learn what Danish immigration rules entail for Western immigrants and many do not believe it, but still there is almost no voice in the Danish government or media speaking against the rules. As a citizen, you are currently protected from the worst of what SD can do, but by voting for SD you are voting against other Americans to have the right to live with their Swedish families in Sweden.

Jannick - I am not constructing a "strawman." Danish media and government do blame a lot of society's problems on immigrants. When you come up with your amounts for how much immigrants cost society, you are repeating the very propaganda you seem to deny exists. Look up the Australian "Gus Murray" if you don't believe xenophobic policy can be bad for the economy and lead to the deportation of "highly skilled immigrants."

To be honest though, I have little interest in engaging in any debate with you if you really believe people don't have a basic right to live with their spouses and children. I do not think it is unreasonable to say that one must support their family financially to bring them into the country. I don't think you should need 120,000 SEK cash for that right, as you do if you support the policies of the Danish government. That amount is not made up and does not include application fees and fees for Danish tests which I believe are at least 10,000 kr.

Just because you couldn't foresee the development of the EU doesn't mean it wasn't foreseeable. Please don't tell me what my opinions on the matter are.
09:07 April 13, 2011 by Hagrid
Hold a demonstration about anti-Islam or anti-foreigner sentiments in Sweden - and the establishment, the media, and the politicians will all hug you.

Hold a demonstration about anti-Swedish sentiments in Sweden - and everyone would call you a racist.
09:52 April 13, 2011 by wenddiver
@Hagrid-Great point.

@Newbluevim- I don't think it's the Americans the SD want out of the country, unless you are one of those extreme left Americans who wants to turn Sweden and the US into the personal bank account for every illegal alienin the world who wants to come here. If anybody knows Jimmy A. maybe you could have him write in and address the American and Scandinavian spouses of Swedish nationals. I doubt if people from Minesota or Oslo are the ones they think are destroying Sweden.
10:13 April 13, 2011 by Newbluevim
wenddiver- It does not matter if the SD's supporters do or do not want Americans in Sweden. Americans in Sweden are immigrants and are subject to the same rules as all other non-EU foreigners. Look at what has happened in Denmark. If you think anti-immigrant legislation will not affect Americans or other "good" immigrants you have been fooled.
13:19 April 13, 2011 by Rick Methven
First they came for the Communists,

and I didn't speak up,

because I wasn't a Communists

Then they came for the Jews,

and I didn't speak up,

because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,

and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one

left to speak up for me."

Pastor Martin Neumueller

Dachau concentration camp 1944
15:06 April 13, 2011 by Ugly A
No one listens. Ever.
15:36 April 13, 2011 by flobalob
"EU money" ? Where exactly did that money come from ?
08:16 April 14, 2011 by wenddiver
@Newbluevim- I had a Danish girl friend, their government may have installed those laws to protect Americans from being killed in their sleep!

For the record it is not legal to do a boot legger turn in AARHUS. When the policeman comes up to the car, Offer a handshake and say (definetly will be mispelled) Jeg er might glot et trefe dem and smile stupidly.
20:12 April 14, 2011 by jimthat

of course the white european origin immigrants are totally different of the non white people

they are wellcomed allways whether they americans or whatever
16:37 April 15, 2011 by Lemanic
$D is winning b'cos they're aiming for the lowest common denominator. They're like Ke$ha of swedish politics. I'm for progress for everyone and sees $D as noting more than a neo-feudalist movement. If you vote for reactionary politics, choose $D. If you vote for progressive politics, choose anything else. If you vote for $D, fine, but don't blame me for raising intolerance and gate mentalities in Swedish society, ok?
17:02 April 15, 2011 by Rick Methven
What the immigrant supporters of SD do not see is the pattern, that is a trend with all Nationalist Right wing parties, that would effect their right to live and work in Sweden

The SD is looking for votes on an anti-immigrant policy, but limiting it to anti-Muslim at the moment because that is the easiest group to single out. They blame all the countries ills on Muslim immigration. If they get more influence and power and deport all the Muslim immigrants, the problems will still be there and so they will look for another scapegoat. With the deep rooted anti-Semitic history of the party, Jews will be next and so on. The writing is on the wall already in Denmark where Danes married to non-EU citizens are having their families broken apart by anti-immigrant legislation irrespective of the colour or creed of the non-EU partner.
13:41 April 16, 2011 by wenddiver
I think there is some confusion about the term immigrant here. Immigrants are people who come to the new country with the intention of becoming part of the new country. They are not there to turn the new country into a vassel of their own country. A good example would be the millions of German and Italian immigrants to the US who fought in the US Military against Germany and Italy in the World War they had truely immigraated to the new country.

I think these people who come to Europe now and openly despise the government, culture and people, all the while glued to their computers or mosque for instructions to kill or murder the locals over any percieved insult to the old country are not immigrants, they are invaders and should be treated as such.

Scandinavia is Scandinavia and Saudi is Saudi and if you want to be a bomb weilding Saudi slaughtering infidels, I suggest you go back to the Middle East as you are not needed here.

Part of the problem is that the Government gives these people money , so they don't have to adopt to the new culture and fit in to make a living.
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