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Israel rejects Gaza ship claims as 'Bond-esque'

TT/Rebecca Martin · 29 Jun 2011, 16:07

Published: 29 Jun 2011 16:07 GMT+02:00

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“It sounds like a ‘James Bond-esque’ insinuation, which is pretty funny, but has no bearing on reality,” said Ilana Stein of the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs to news agency TT.

The Swedish Ship to Gaza group reported on Monday that their ship Juliano had been sabotaged while berthed in Piraeus harbour in Greece.

“It is time for the international community to put their foot down and say: It’s enough!” said Swedish spokesperson Mattias Gardell in a statement at the time.

According to Mikael Löfgren, press coordinator of the organisation, the group didn’t know who was behind the attack in which hostile divers destroyed the propeller housing and severed the two propeller axles beneath the boat, but had their suspicions.

He told The Local that the only thing they could be sure of was that the perpetrators would be representing those who don’t want them to succeed in their mission.

And within the Norwegian organisation, who are co-owners of the damaged ship, they were thinking along the same lines.

“All we know is that Israel is doing everything in its power to slow us down,” said Norwegian spokesperson Torstein Dahle to Norwegian daily Dagbladet.

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But according to Ilana Stein and Israel, the organisation has no evidence that proves the damage was an act sabotage or who may be behind the deed.

The flotilla is the second attempt by the Freedom Flotilla organisation after a previous journey to Gaza in May 2010 resulted in the intervention of armed Israeli forces, the death of nine activists and prompted extensive international condemnation of Israel.

TT/Rebecca Martin (news@thelocal.se)

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16:29 June 29, 2011 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Nice picture of the graybeard sceptic spokesman and his equally socratic gray sidekick the manic Mankell. Both of them trying to paint a not so nice picture of Israel.

If they didn't read Israel's ambassador to Sweden, Benny Dagan's debate article in yesterday's Dagens Nyheter, then it is time for them to do so. It is most clear, straightforward and comprehensive to appear in the world-wide media so far.

And if Gardel and Mankell want to increase their paranoia about their lives being in danger then they ought to avoid having such strange bedfellows as their companions on the Flotilla.

Fora clarification of the last statement they should please read this:

17:48 June 29, 2011 by Nemesis
If it had been the Isreali's, the boat would have been sunk.
18:23 June 29, 2011 by Rick Methven
what's wrong Andrea, Mosad not taken your advice to torpedo it with all on board.
18:31 June 29, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Cornelius Hamelberg and Nemesis

I also think that Isreal's ambassador is most appropriate person to comment on that massacre!

This is where we may mix our political pereference over our human and moral values. We see people being killed by armed forces yet we blame the victims since their victim's political agenda doesn't suit us.
19:08 June 29, 2011 by Cornelius Hamelberg
Iraniboy....let's be friends ok? I extend the hand of friendship because I have many Iranian best friends here, in Iran, the UK , France, Germany and the USA.

The future is in front of us.The ugly situation which led to the IDF having to respond with live fire is now behind us. The post-mortems have been done about the Marvi Martyrs and the breach between Turkey and Israel hopefully, will be fully healed as it should be between friends and, in my opinion, an apology to the Brother nation of Turkey should be in place.

You mention the Israeli ambassador - well, the Israeli authorities have clarified the situation time without number; perhaps not to your satisfaction, sorry about that and about some of what's been happening in Iran the past 100 years.

The automated Google translation does not do justice to the Swedish original, but please capture the gist of what he's saying, and think about it :

19:36 June 29, 2011 by guliver

In the last 9 years we have to run often to our protective rooms that is because Iran send Grad missles to Gaza trough ordinary huminitarian ships,there is no one day the we the citizens of Nirim, Kfar Azza, Ein Haslosha ,Kissufim ,Saad,Ashkelon ,Beer Seva,which pass here without a missile or Kassam or Grad is fired on our houses.Last time they shot a missile on the school bus the son my friend was killed.

I hear your victims=the Mouazin in the Mosques in Gaza as they scream in Megaphon how they will destroy Israel ,it happen every friday ,and believe me I understand arabic very well.
19:57 June 29, 2011 by MC7669
I was wondering why these people are not organizing a trip to Turky, Iran, Syria or Russia to protest about the human rights ....... I guess the weather is better in Israel and Tel Aviv hotels are much much confortable, the internet connection is free and the alcool is also free and much cheaper, the wine is excellent, nowher in the world they can get breakfast like in Israel hotels ....... foreing journalists can get in to the country with out "special permits" and a special agent to escort them eveywher they go.... so why not Israel :-) No one belonges here more then you!
21:20 June 29, 2011 by Freebie
These Liberal 'do-gooders' can best be described as conceited, egocentric, pompus individuals--intellectuals in their own minds --but at the end of the day, leaving a path of irreparable damage in their quest to shower accolades of accomplishment on themselves, rarely noticing the multitudes harmed by their narcissistic actions.

Hopefully, no lives will be lost as a result of mindless interference by these foolish trespassers, but surely most should agree, the Israelis have every right to defend and enforce laws established to protect its own citizens.

Less tolerant governments, such as those found in Communist China or North Korea, would without question or advance notice--LOAD, LOCK, AIM AND FIRE!
21:51 June 29, 2011 by Iraniboy
@Cornelius Hamelberg

There are two simple facts.

1) If I do something that many cosnider crime, then I am disquilifed to judge that incident. So are Isreali offcials about Gaza ship massacre.

2) I didn't xomment on that incident I was just amazed how a person can feel good or even be indifferent to loss of peopel's life even those whom we disagree. I mainly meant that for Nemesis's banter about the Ship.


I'm no fan of Iranian government if I don't disagree with most of them however I find it hard to grasp how Iranian's missile to Palestinians can be any worse than US missiles to Isreal. This double standard occupies our brain most of the time. We only think we have specific rights and others are bad so they shouldn't!
22:44 June 29, 2011 by Cornelius Hamelberg

If Israeli is accused of a crime then like anyone else, Israel has a right to be heard in the witness box...

We've even listened to Gardell and and to the more improbable fiction writer Herr Mankell who himself on the one hand tells us that he was trembling and taking cover in the bowels of the boat in which he was travelling, but later on we find him standing in the limelight in absolute safety and confidently giving an eyewitness account of what was happening on the upper decks, although he obviously did not see, and was not in a position to see what he described no matter his skill at writing fiction, from his imagination - or what had been reported to him, since he was on the lower deck and out of the way of where the action was......

So an investigation has to listen to eye witnesses and look at the camera evidence too.

Perhaps this time Mr. Mankell will be in the thick of any action and thus be in a better position to give an eye witness account to the BBC, if he is not martyred and finds himself arriving on the other side, in glory......

The UN report will be out next month according to this Turkish newspaper. Still the UN is neither omniscient nor clairvoyant - and even the UN has been known to make mistakes......

00:59 June 30, 2011 by Rishonim
I heard Khadafi, along with Assad are hosting a breakfast complete with extra potent blue pills, bombs and anything that kills. Its an open house.
02:05 June 30, 2011 by cutthecrap
The ship of fools. Sounds like a good name for a book.
06:11 June 30, 2011 by calebian22

Israel is targeting Hamas dingles who scream for the destruction of Israel. The Kassams shot from the Strip are fired indiscriminately with no targeting capabilities. Civilians are the vicitims, not soldiers. There is your difference.
08:00 June 30, 2011 by jostein
Thier in greece and greece is in turmoil, go figure.
10:04 June 30, 2011 by J. L. Belmar
It all reduces to the following: What is good for Israel is bad for Palestine. If Palestines bomb Israeli cities day in and day out, that is very good; but if Israelis bomb those who indiscrimanetly are bombing them, bad. Mr. Mankell and his lackeys should go to Israel on foot, live in the cities that are bombed day in and day out by the Palestinians, and then and only then, open his mouth but only after thinking. What he does is nothing but vomiting the lies of all of those who want the disapearance of Israel. Mankell, Gardell and the saxofonist israeli traitor who travels with them and who was put in his place by Ziv Mazel, ex Israeli ambassador in Sweden, should use the Gaza ship to go to h...
11:27 June 30, 2011 by johnny1939
This is such an impossible situation which cannot be solved since the people involved will not come to an agreement whatsoever. Both these people are bringing death and destruction on themselves. If they could just either equally share this country or get half each. This of course is much to simple to be possible. Many of us are sick of both of them.
12:07 June 30, 2011 by motti
Johnny, the west bank arab settlers and east bank arab settlers do have their own nation. they were given 78% of British Manadated Palestine and called it Transjordan. After the war of independence, the British led, trained and armed Arab Legion conquered most of the area west of the River Jordan. Those were the demarcation lines until 1967 and afterwards, the Arab country was called Jordan. Israel regained this land after 1967. Nobody called for an independent state of Palestine. We hear from the Arabs themselves that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan. So they have their own land.

The Arabs were given huge swathes of territory by the british and French. Look at modern Syria, Lebanon, Iraq etc. The problem is that the Moslems want it all and they ain't going to get it. Insofar as Iraniboy is concerned, he needs to begin learning real facts, not revised history. His alleged malicious accusations against israel often do not bear any resemblance to truth. He is typical. quite an ignoramus
13:36 June 30, 2011 by Elias06
motti you are great i love your comment and i love your history version im aplauding you from my bed hhh
13:57 July 1, 2011 by motti
Thank you Elias, perhaps people who are sympathetic to the Flotilla and it's supposed high ideals should look to facts.

People in Gaza say that there is no shortage of goods coming in, only on thos going out. Israel already helps Gaza to export iotems to Europe. Un fortunately, they cannoy be held responsible for Hamas controlling all aspects of life in Gaza, including holding illegally the Israeli captive for over 5 years. Nor can Israel be held responsible for items not meeting stringent EU laws, nor the weather, nor seans so critical to flora and horticultural products.

What thanks does Israel receive? More missiles, more idiots like Mankell and his ilk.

Have a nice day, enjoy the sun and think of the beautiful Israeli girl soldiers
14:52 July 1, 2011 by bcterry
Whoever did it,....... i love it.
15:00 July 1, 2011 by MarshaLynn
We have silly American progressive activists going over to join this absurd flotilla. Liberalism must do something to people's minds that makes them susceptible to the lies of Hamas. Israel is merely trying to exist surrounded by many nations who hate them for one reason: they are Jews. The Koran teaches that Jews are less than human. It teaches hatred of Jews. Hamas will not rest until Israel is destroyed. Do you not hear the leader of Iran constantly talking about destroying Jews? Do you expect Israel to just sit by and allow itself to be destroyed? Hardly. They have every right to defend themselves by whatever means necessary. And you progressives out there need to take your blinders off and see the truth of this matter.
16:17 July 1, 2011 by guliver
Every day there are 140 trucks which enter Gaza from Kerem Shalom passage,

Israel allow 230 trucks to get in just from the Israeli side but Hamas allow just that quantity for political reasons,also from Rafah cross in the Eygptian side pass convoy of trucks every day,

today you can find in Gaza everything ,the only time it was completly closed it was during the war,but Hamas continue to smuggle weapons through the under ground channles they dug between Eygpt and Gaza, today there are about 5000 missles Skad and Grad all pointed on our villages,even if you do not hear about it in news -and they do not tell it also in Israel ,they fire every day bombs like mortar bombs on our villages, specialy versus Nirim ,Kerem Shalom ,Kfar Aza ,Kissufim,Magen,Ein Haslosha and Saad.

After Ariel Sharon withdrown all our settlements+army from Gaza strip we hopped it will be quiete around our villages but it became worse.
18:18 July 1, 2011 by Cornelius Hamelberg
02:50 July 2, 2011 by Stickeroo
I have an idea...I'm gonna build my house in YOUR yard!!! I think Israel should be in modern day Egypt...that's where the Hebrew ancestors spent a long time building the pyramids. People would be more accepting of that...with the enslavement and all...

I'm not trying to be anti Israeli, but can't we all just get along? The Jew's just went about it all the wrong way..
11:34 July 2, 2011 by motti
You're right stickeroo. Moses went into Canaan, he should led theChildren of Israel into Arabia, where all the oil is situated.

The whole world would have loved the Jews then. Jewish embassies around the world, with billions of dollards to spend on conversion to Judaism, to hate all Christians and Moslems. Politicians, governments, academia, scientists etc, all would have sold their souls, morality and ethics for the black wealth lying under the sands of Jewlans (Arabia)

So blame Moses, the Jews went to Egypt as guests and were successful. Then Egypt made them slaves. Is this what will happen in Europe with Moslems?

By the way, Iraniboy, please explain to our galland Swedes, the Green map of the world, centred on Arabia. Just how green is Europe generally and Sweden in particular. I dare you!
14:30 July 2, 2011 by guliver

Eygpt belong to the Eygptians

Syria belong to the Syrians ,ask them by the way how they like Assad.

Jordan belong to the Jordanians ,by the way the majority of the citizen there are Palestinians.

and Israel belong to the Israelies,recognized as a free and Indipendent state since the UN decision from 29.11.47.

when the arabs will accept that situation-there will be no more wars.

Unfortuntly by now they have not accepted the Jewish state.
14:53 July 2, 2011 by Icarusty
Israel will rule the Middle East in a century's time.

At least it will, the way support is going from the comments here...
19:10 July 2, 2011 by motti

Israel only wants a peaceful life, nothing more.

If more support is going her way it is because

a) truth and factual information is allowed onto these pages that appear to be banned by your normal Swedish news media.

b) no doubt, what is happening in Sweden at this time with your migrant guests might have something to do with it.

Perhaps now you can see a different dialogue.

Incidentally, iraniboy, please do answer me. I wait with great interest for your anticipated response. Please explain the Green Map, as I requested above. I dare you to allow decent Swedes to learn of Islam's goals.
19:23 July 4, 2011 by guliver

The issue of this conflict is that the extremists arab countries do not accept the right of Israel to exsist as a land ,and not how many missiles Israel get from USA and the Palestinian in Gaza get from Iran,this is the heart of the conflict since 1947, the arabs say the creation of Israel is wrong and Israel should disapear ,and Iran declare it every day.
20:06 July 4, 2011 by madadi
@ motti & guliver

That is inspiring how motivated you are defending your impudent.
20:48 July 4, 2011 by guliver

I was born in Israel and I live not far away from the border with Gaza ,in the last 9 years and since Hamas came to power there is no one day free from Moratar bomb, Kasam which they shot on our villages,My family spent a lote of time in our security room,many times the farmers can not go to the fields because of the fire on them.

On friday you can hear the Mouazin from Mosques in Gaza who call for Jihad and destroy Israel, we see also Hanie speak to his people in TV he says the same words in arabic ,believe me we understand arabic and get that message very clear.

They mean every word they say ,just they do not have the military force to realize that.....
11:00 July 5, 2011 by motti

I am impudent enough to want ordinary people to reralise and learn the real truth and history. I do not, unlike Iraniboy and others, make malicious accusations borne of ignorance and hatred without facts.

I note that Iraniboy has been unable or unwilling to answer a couple of simple questions put to him above. I trust that he will find the courage to do so.

I am pleased that the local allows a real answerback post for views and facts that would not normally be allowed in the Swedish mainstream news media. Swedes and others, are beginning to wake up finally as to what is happening in Europe generally and Scandinavia in particular. They wonder now if their negative feelings about Israel and the Arabs has been correct, or have they been mislead, mainly by the extreme neoleftwing Socialist cause against democratic Israel and in the case of recent Malmoe history, the Jews..
14:47 July 8, 2011 by glamshek
I think there are some Zions commenting here... Look Zions the West is not your friend... They first kicked you and then made enemies for you in the shape of Vitimised small Muslim children... Those generations will never forgive you. Its in the best interest for you to recognize your true enemy. This is the Europe and USA
17:57 July 8, 2011 by motti

Yes, there are some Zionists commenting here, and why not? sorry, I am unable to understand your English. I am unsure why generations will not forgive us. Surely, it should be the Jews who will forgive those that treat them as second class citizens. such as Dhimmis in the Islamic world.

I don't believe for one minuted that the USA, nor Europe are our friends. However, there are people all over the world, who recognise us for our achievements and contributions to those countries that we live in. Some are our friends, others are not.

Have a nice shabbat or Shabbat shalom.
18:26 July 8, 2011 by guliver

For the great respect I have as Israeli to all Swedish people,their culture and their human and civilized achievement,and because the Local is a Swedish newspaper

I will not comment on your accusations against us,specialy because I do not take the level of the friendly conversation here too low!
07:43 July 9, 2011 by Captain Zen
Some comments make sense, but not one talks peace. What do you expect when you are forced by weapon or by fear out of your land? Those Palestinians show courage and honor. From Judaism they have learned and use the same logic. Never give up, never give in. It was their land. The only way is a one child family country. Tear borders down, give all an adequate live and share, share the wealth. Compensate and share or Judaism will fight for Zionism forever. Israel is good at war against civilians. Very good, It always needs war to unite the complete different back ground of Israelis. Without the National Fearful Army the people would fight each other death until none is left.
10:20 July 9, 2011 by guliver
Captain Zeb

I do not agree with all your descriptation about Israel I find many things you wrote not accurate and exagerate,but the main issue is that you reject our right to exsist as a Jewish land ,so you even do not accept the solution of two states living side by side in peace which most Israelies do accept and also the rest of the countries in the world, "the only way is one child family country"

Saying that you join to the Iranian President Ahmed El Najar who reject the right of Israel to exsist and say that all Jews in Palestine should go back to their original homeland after Israel will be eliminated ,that is also the formal attitude of Hamas

toward Israel.

So we come to core of the conflict:the arabs reject since 29.11.47 the 181 UN decision of the division of Palestine into 2 states a Jewish one and an Arab Palestinian one and call for the elimination of the Jewish state and the return of the Jews to their original land!

Accepting our right to exsist is the base of any solution in the middle east conflict.
18:02 July 9, 2011 by motti
Captainzeb. Are you asking for all borders around the world to be torn down? If not, why not? Is is just Israel that has to sacrifice itself because of your idea?

Will the Syrians, Turks and Iranians close down their borders? Will we all have to live as agnistics or Moslems or what? Are you seriously suggesting that all variations of people need to all act as one? This is what seperates us? I should hate to think that everyone would need to be like me! Or you, or iraniboy or anyone else. Each individual is unique. Please let us keep it that way.
02:12 July 17, 2011 by Authentica
@ guliver

Aren't you lucky to have protective rooms..
18:43 July 17, 2011 by guliver

Last war in Gazza we made a mistake,we should have occuppied all that snacks -hole,next time we shell probably do it, so we will not have the need to stay in security rooms.
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