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Military 'can't rule out' sighting was foreign sub

TT/The Local/dl · 17 Nov 2011, 17:07

Published: 17 Nov 2011 17:07 GMT+01:00

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“We can't rule out that foreign intelligence activity has taken place in the Gothenburg archipelago,” naval inspector Jan Thörnqvist told the TT news agency.

The military drew the conclusion after analyzing information about inexplicable observations in the waters off of Sweden's west coast made on September 12th.

Ships from Sweden's 3rd Naval Warfare Flotilla, based in Karlskrona, as well as the 4th Naval Warfare Flotilla, and the Amphibious Regiment from Berga outside of Stockholm were deployed to the area following reports of suspicious activity thought to be submarine possibly spying on Sweden.

A few days following the incident, Thörnqvist said he couldn't rule the activity as being caused by a submarine intrusion or “a fish of some kind”.

“We have now completed an extensive anaylsis and what we're saying now is that we can't rule out that foreign intelligence activity took place in the Gothenburg archipelago in the beginning of September,” Thörnqvist told TT on Thursday.

“But we're not verifying that it was an intrusion.”

Citing national security concerns, Thörnqvist refused to go into detail about how the analysis was carried out or whether there are any concrete leads.

By “foreign intelligence activities”, the military means phenomena which the Armed Forces didn't cause and which lack any natural explanation.

Thörnqvist also didn't specifically mention a submarine.

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“It could have been something remote controlled, manned, unexplained which we haven't got any clue about,” he told TT.

“We're now trying to put our entire effort into an operational context and we're doing further analysis within a larger perspective. We don't plan on commenting on the results.”

TT/The Local/dl (news@thelocal.se)

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Your comments about this article

23:35 November 17, 2011 by muscle
hmm i am not an expert but the armed forces should always keep track of the surroundings, no matter how good the neighbors are. Thats just in my opinion. The radar should have detected any suspicious activity.
05:48 November 18, 2011 by xexon
Might be the US. Might be the Russians. Might be Israel.

"Spying"? Not likely as high resolution satellites have made that obsolete. Most likely it was adventurism.

Because they know you have an open society and they can get in and out before you realize your territory has been compromised.

10:40 November 18, 2011 by RobinHood

Unfortunately, radar won't work underwater.

The port of Gothenburg has no militiary presence, detection systems or defences any more. Swedish navy ships had to be bought in from Karlskrona and Stockholm. They arrived days later, by which time the bogeys, if that's what they were, were well away.

As Xexon said, if it was a sub, it was pure aventurism; the Russians keeping their hand in at infiltrating "enemy" ports. Gothenburg is a great and safe place to train, what with it having no defences. As a spying exercise, it was pointless, everything a spy might want to know about the port of Gothenburg is on Google, or can be learned as a "tourist".

It certainly wasn't the Israelis or the Americans. The Israelis don't have the technology for inshore infiltration in the Kattegut, and the Americans have better things to do.
12:22 November 18, 2011 by gabeltoon
These things are bound to happen what with the open boarder policy we have within the european union. I have never liked this policy as it allows criminals and undesirables to do as they please.Here in the UK thats why we have so many illegal immigrants.Although we are all at peace with one another it is wise to be on your guard.The SWEDISH FORCES would do well to have their west coast guarded by having a naval presence there.
12:46 November 18, 2011 by muscle
but having open borders does not mean no check and balance is made! I mean, every country, no matter how neutral , needs to maintain some kind of self defense mechanism. The intelligence needs to be activated as well. Stopping citizens from crossing the borders and checking them is a different thing, but being alert and vigilant is a different and important thing!
15:55 November 18, 2011 by motti
Xenon, you are a laugh a minute with your postings.

I would be most surprised (1) if Israel did not have the technology to carry out the act and (2) if Israel has nothing better to do than worry about swedish waters.
16:49 November 18, 2011 by xexon
The reason I mention Israel is because they have recently aqquired more subs and this sighting might be one of their training missions or sea trial...


21:08 November 18, 2011 by Svensksmith
It's the Danish navy, coming back to reclaim the Vasa.
11:33 November 19, 2011 by rise
@ Svensksmith

Yes I think it's the Danes coming and claiming Skåne, Blekinge and Halland back to Denmark. ;)
16:13 November 20, 2011 by shahislam
Two Koreas now want to be united! Wow! They are becoming smarter to realize that it's time for "Border Lifting" before witnessing other pieces of lands like 'Bangladesh and India' etc. are becoming united again.

It's also right time to start thinking about new global laws are to be made and passed. For examples:

*Production and distribution of weapons (gun) of all kinds for ordinary public use is absolutely banned for eliminating crimes against humanity in every corner of this earth (e.g. Uncontrollable forever, the billion dollar narcotic and weapon businesses operated by drug cartels in South-America).

* Internationally legalization of unrestricted like vegetables: drug production and distribution; so that, wise good global citizens will hate to touch this vegetable and it will become a business without demand (same will be oil business situation as there is endless yet to be discovered energy reserves world wide). Note: In Holland, drug business is somewhat legalized but there is almost no crimes caused by the drug users. Crimes against humanity are being committed by the motivation of wealth-greedy thugs in control of political power over a period of more than a half century.

* All the countries of the world will independently operate their financial matters but as if they are municipalities of a globally united one country of one world.

* New deficit-free of totally balanced trades will mean: e.g. Germany will be able to export its fine Beer, chemical etc. products to Canada or India, Bangladesh etc. as much as it imports Timbers, plane parts etc. from Canada or Sea-salt, clothing etc. products from India, Bangladesh etc..

*Unproductive pieces of lands will continue be expanded enough to form a larger global municipality to be able to financially participate in the new United Nation financial programs;

Well, I hope to see the Omni-powerful CC and ICC (@50%) would make it happen for him facing a fair trial instead of getting killed by bullying thugs in the control of gun power in Libya. New universally applicable laws can only make sure that the natural resources in the world, like Canada, Libya, USA, Venezuela, Saudi-Arabia's etc. are monetarily non-profiting but for the use of global public or eternal mankind and a new UN power under a selfless good leadership like "not greedy': Obama can guarantee changes in and /or implementations of new global laws.

Readers Please note: I could not post this on Sweedish: the Local , because my internet connection or loptop usage was being manipulated and diabled when I tried to add a few more words of feeding the out of dated ruler-ships of hereditary style kings in luxurious life style.
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