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Fees bury Swedish unis in added work: report

The Local/rm · 14 Dec 2011, 15:10

Published: 14 Dec 2011 15:10 GMT+01:00

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This year, Swedish universities accepted 4,600 applying students from outside of Europe for the autumn term. However, only 1,350 – or 29 percent – of these actually accepted their place at the university and paid the fees.

The agency has conducted a survey to follow up on the work carried out by the universities to implement the reform.

The answers show that the institutions have spent a lot of time on the adjustment and that many feel that the workload is disproportionate to the number of students who have paid the fees.

At the same time, many of the hiccups seem to be passing and have happened due to the haste the reform was launched, according to the agency.

In many places, the institutions have increased their support for the fee-paying students by guaranteeing them accommodation, language support and a mentor programme.

Many universities are also putting more efforts in to marketing and many are flagging for the need of a joint strategy for Sweden as a study destination, according to the agency.

When fees were introduced, Sweden created a number of state funded scholarships in order to boost recruitment of students from non-European countries.

According to the agency, about 40 percent of non-Europeans who started their studies at a Swedish university were on a full or partial scholarship.

But almost a third of those that were offered a scholarship turned it down, due to living expenses in Sweden were seen as too steep.

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The survey also showed that many universities report unexpected effects of the reform. The fact that all applicants are required to pay fees, before anything else has been established, has meant a huge increase in workload for the universities.

That prices had to be fixed for all courses, even those given in Swedish, has also been seen as a arduous and unexpected task, according to the report.

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15:54 December 14, 2011 by bourgeoisieboheme
"When fees were introduced, Sweden created a number of state funded scholarships in order to boost recruitment of students from non-European countries. "

Umm... so why even get rid of the fees if the government (Swedish tax payer) is still giving free education to foreigners?
16:04 December 14, 2011 by GLO
This is the Progressive Idea, most dont work!!!!
16:39 December 14, 2011 by MarkWords
Why are they so wonder for such decline? Perhaps Sweden should put notice board on universities " Education For Rich People Only. Non EU countries do not deserve education in Sweden ".

I know many Indian, Bangladeshi Pakistani etc guys who made alot of efforts to study and hardwork, along with part time job day or night to manage their living expenses to attain master degrees but in the end they didnt get good oppotunities in Sweden. and unfortunately Sweden and its society has shielded themselves to accept these high skilled and hard working student. i.e.

These Non EU students leave their homes to come and study in Sweden with good expectations but the system and society made them regretful...
17:24 December 14, 2011 by Shapla Amin
why someone should choose Sweden to study if s/he has to pay tuition fee, Australia, Canada,UK and other English speaking countries are far better options. State funded scholarships are for only about 500 or little bit more[i m not sure] students.

totally agree with MarkWords.
17:50 December 14, 2011 by Tall swede
Why should sweden be responsible to provide free education for everyone in the world? If you are so incredibly hard working and deserve that education, go to your own government and demand it! And if it is so profitable to let other study for free, why dont your country make a living of it? Everyone knows that giving away expensive stuff (education) for free is a sure way to become rich! Or is it?

You hardworking, smart and clever students should use your incredible knowledge in math to figure this out...
17:55 December 14, 2011 by seborga82
sweden should invalidate those degrees issued to those freebies. Good move! You get what you paid for...basic human evolution process.

If you can't afford, then stick with your third world quality education...
17:59 December 14, 2011 by just a question
Foreign studens contribute to the Swedish economy by paying the rent of the apartments, buying clothes, food, going out, travelling, and of course they create more jobs for the universities as teachers are needed. As long as they don't have students, a lot of Swedish universities would fire people or even close in the future. At the same time, it's the only place in the world were university was for free for foreign students, and that's very generous. I honestly don't know what to think about this topic. I'd be nice if someone would tell us if this idea of foreign students paying fees has been working in economical terms.
19:08 December 14, 2011 by canuk
oh yes a lot of foreign students (from outside of the EU) 'go out' BS! I was one of them! all they do is cook rice at all hours of the night, bring in bugs as they dont clean up after themselves. Buy clothes? are you crazy? The only food they buy is at Lidl, and all that supports are the germans. Well if you need foreign students to support the teachers and schools, that means that there are too many teachers and schools! supply and demand. Paying rent? most of the time you get 2x to 4x the number of people ln a room then should be! again, i witnessed this first hand with 2 or 3 chineese students in a 10 kvm apartment meant for 1!

These students are a drag on the economy, go learn in your own country.
20:00 December 14, 2011 by leoheart
Where they did that Survey? I am living in Sweden for two years. They are very less scholarships. They do not also give us jobs. Only two or three multinational companies give us jobs.Universities also do not offer us small projects. They do not want to pay only that we meet our living expenses. They also do not give one or two year work permit. They give nothing and want everything from you. My life become so bad after coming here. There accommodation for university students is even more worse. The rent is same if you rent a private room. When we live here, we have to buy clothes, food, give rent. All these things are really expensive. They are big lier. I am going back to my country and I also advice the students that if you want to study go to UK, Canada, Spain, Italy, America but do not come to this country.
20:05 December 14, 2011 by arslan11
I don't know whats the argument...

Things are simple, with at least 15,000$ tuition fee per year, only a stupid (or Irani, Arab) will come to Swedish Universities for courses taught in English..

Others will opt for US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand or even Singapore.. You can get better education and easily integrate in society. The only attraction in Sweden was tuition free label. The time will decide whether its a good move.

Anyhow who will do research especially in scientific disciplines? The spoiled young swedes who are more interested in styles, social networking, sex, alcohol and even drugs?

Ohh, I forget .. The wonderful talented young minds of Asylum seeking families whom parents were rotten eggs of their own society. These donkeys will never become horses regardless of your effort..

Volvo, Saab gone. Sony Ericsson bought by Sony. Ericsson struggling.. The same attitude will accelerate the slide..
20:20 December 14, 2011 by Summer Dreams
why will a normal human being who is literate pay such ridiculous amount of fees to study in Sweden where you cant integrate into the community and cost of living is high.

i dont have to think twice, i will rather spend that money in the US or UK where the Universities have better reputation and also where i can easily find a job.

common sense!
20:24 December 14, 2011 by leoheart
I do not say Swedes are bad. They are good people. But they are only good for themselves and they are really bad for foreigners. They like Asylum seeking families because somehow they are their slaves but we are not. I know what these Asylum seeking families are doing. They are simply destroying their country. One best example is "Malmo".
21:35 December 14, 2011 by seborga82

you are more than right in this matter...swedes always have the urge to feel more superior...if you Masters and doctorates are running around, which they will certainly feel threatened. But the Iraqis and Somalis on the other hand, will certainly make them feel better both intellectually and morally...
21:44 December 14, 2011 by Just_Kidding
The staff of Swedish universities were delusional about attractiveness of what they had to offer to foreign students with such a price tag. Now I hope they are awakened. And offcourse you will find freebies who want to come and study when you offer free education to anybody without having any standard for recruitment.

The main problem with Swedish universities is that it is mainly a government operation, full of delusional staff that waste taxoayers money without feeling any responsibility when delusions don't mach the reality.
22:00 December 14, 2011 by leoheart
There is no free lunch in world. The free education is nothing. The foreign students live, spend money and also do useful research in there universities that cost a lot. They give them useful ideas that they give to their bachelor students to develop projects.After all these things we are still crippled in the society. I am not only saying this, I experienced this.
23:00 December 14, 2011 by hackie
arslan11 #10 ,

I concur!

On a more serious note, if you have some cash you wanna waste, then come to Sweden to study.
23:02 December 14, 2011 by samwise
leoheart, all you said about foreign students apply to local students as well. the fact is, there is a cost on university education, the cost on swedish students is subsidized with their parents' taxes.

I don't know there are schools that can sustain themselves without getting money either from taxes or from tuition fees.

why don't people simply build more schools providing free education for the whole world if it's such a good deal?
23:28 December 14, 2011 by leoheart
@samwise. I know Education is expensive. Its good you implemented fee. But students come here for study come from poor countries. Few come from developed countries. We are guests here. So please do look us like Aliens and also do not think we are fool. We will pay you for education but at least give us jobs only to meet our expenses until we study here. I like Sweden, its nice country but you are doing damage to your economy because of your behaviour. Many students work in black in Sweden. They do not pay taxes. Also people who give them these kind of jobs are mostly foreigners. They also do not pay taxes. They use people for little money because you do not give us job.

So if you people give us job, We work for your country. We pay tax to you.

Because of your behaviour you are doing loss to your country. This is not our loss. We study and we will go back. Try to understand.
23:57 December 14, 2011 by Migga
Jobs are not given, you get them yourself. I`ve never been given a job in my life. I`ve worked hard to get mine.

The ones who don`t get one always blames someone else for not giving them a job. That`s when they play the victim and starts blaming everyone else but themselves. It`s either the system or it`s racism.

Sure there are problems, I`m not denying that. But it`s also up to the person and their mindset. If you excpect to be given a job then you are in for a surprise.
00:22 December 15, 2011 by leoheart
@Migga.I am educated person I know how to get a job. I living here for two years without any job and I am not expecting any good from you people.I am not blaming you. I am telling you the truth. This racism thing is destroying your country.
00:52 December 15, 2011 by srikanth koundalya
It is highly difficult choice to many students to chose or not to chose Sweden as a destination. Due to many factors, 1st living expenses are sky high 2nd There is no guarantee that student can adapt culture of individualism 3rd He has to do part time job (odd job) which Swedish job agency will not help to immigrants. 4th Temperature is -10 etc has to move in very odd environment.

If no job most of the time has to spent in room without moving anywhere in front of lappy, which again makes certain addictions mostly Internet addiction disorder to many students.

These are my views and points that i felt during my stay sorry if hurted .. bye
09:31 December 15, 2011 by Freelife
@srikanth koundalya

As you are from India(From your name) like me, I want to give you a suggestion.

India and Sweden are different countries. As immigrants it is our responsibility to adopt and adapt to Swedish culture. It is not the responsibility of the Swedish people to accommodate us.

Why have come to Sweden ? Didn't you care to know that it goes -10 C in Sweden in winter before arriving here?

PS: There is not a word called "hurted"
10:41 December 15, 2011 by RobinHood
Please would the pro free Swedish education for foreigners posters here please tell us what steps they have taken to promote free education for foreigners in their own countries.
11:04 December 15, 2011 by Robert69
No worries, the best and brightest never actually come to Sweden for further studies in any case. They go to better places like UK, Canada etc where they get more value for their money and the best education and access to jobs.

What is the difference now? Instead of freeloaders from non-eu countries, we now have freeloaders from EU countries.

Case closed.
12:59 December 15, 2011 by hackie
@y'all using UK as case study, are y'all out of your minds? Please do your research well before posting gibberish here. UK is even worse than Sweden, in case you don't know. How many students end up getting white collar jobs that they deserve after their studies? After spending such huge amounts, they deserve better treatments. If you have some lump of money and you don't know what to do with it, invest it or start your own business in your country rather than going to the so called UK, US, Canada, Australia, as many people have mentioned here. Better still, you can give me the money and I will turn it up for you :P

I don't believe that some country are better destinations for students. The grass always looks greener at the other side of the fence.
15:00 December 15, 2011 by Shapla Amin
human being always looks for what he thinks better, viking used to go to British Isles. British- French-Portuguese went to India. you just cant stop it. If some Swedes cant take it easy , they might think about there great-grand/grand parents[around one third of Swedish population] migration to USA or around 1900 Swedish economy was like Somalia. But it is true nobody wants to leave his/her country.

It was free so student were coming, now they are not, existing students must have to leave in next 2-3 years. To live here, they must have to earn or bring money from home. however it contributes in the economy even if 3 students live in an apartment, better than over 2 million people who live on social security.
21:06 December 15, 2011 by Descartes
The education level in Swedish universities is more or less the same across the country, while in the US or G.B. they are very good and very bad. E.g. ed. level in MIT, Harvard, Yale, V.U. London B.S. is so superior quality that it cannot be compared with that of Swedish Universities, they are simply not comparable! On the other hand level of education in some of below average Universities like Boricua College or Holy Names University is definitely lower than that of Swedish universities.
04:10 December 16, 2011 by swenrika
I'd just like to add this- I really hope that some Swedish here never have to go look for a job in another country. It is the most damming thing to do, trust me. There are a lot of swedes that have left Sweden to find work and they too are on the receiving end of exactly this sort of BS. Do they like it?

People would normally not leave their county, but most that are in search of a better life for themselves and their family feel they have no other option. THAT IS HARD and takes a lot of guts.

The least we can do is welcome them, give them a chance and if it works out there will be more taxpayers, more money for all of us that gets put into rads, healthcare, schools etc.

Dream on if you think Sweden can make it on its own, look at the butter thing in Norway, had anybody suggested that people would pay 12000Krone for butter, you would have called them dumb, here we are and it is happening and due to the stance of Norway, nobody is really interested in helping them. Point is, on your own the global economy will gobble you up and spit you out.

But, yes, giving away education for free is not really doing it for me either, bursaries yes, and then get the money payed back seems a good enough solution?

If people are willing to work, willing to integrate, willing to learn the language, willing to contribute and most of all willing to move their entire life here, welcome them, it is an opportunity for all to grow. What else could you ask for ( and no.. not ask them to leave.)
13:50 December 16, 2011 by leoheart
We come from poor countries and if we become more poor in this country and our families suffer and we suffer then why we live here. Its good that we go back and do something for our country. Because in our country we are poor but not poorer. Your country is make us poorer if you see the whole picture. In my country with little money I wear good clothes, eat good and enjoy healthy life. But here the money increases three times and still I am not eating good food and my health is destroying. Still no earning. This is not my opinion, you can ask anyone. Why we live here?
15:06 December 17, 2011 by godnatt
Sweden isn't a charity and the previous system was ridiculous, but something in the middle of exorbitant fees and free would make sense.

Some mix of a scholarship, a student loan and a 2 year work visa after graduation for qualified, high demand technical fields would make sense.

Start kicking out the cutthroat, welfare sucking asylum seeker/rapists and bring in some engineers.
00:51 December 19, 2011 by hackie
@godnatt, #30,

Thumbs up for that comment. Please tell them.
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