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Sweden to Denmark subway line suggested

TT/Clara Guibourg · 18 Dec 2011, 11:16

Published: 18 Dec 2011 11:16 GMT+01:00

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A bold new suggestion currently being investigated involves a subway line connecting the neighbouring countries.

"The tracks on the Öresund Bridge won't be enough for all trains in the future," said Malmö mayor Ilmar Reepalu to newspaper Dagens Nyheter (DN).

"That's why we need to plan for increased capacity now, so commuters aren't forced to take their cars."

The subway would cost roughly 13 billion kronor ($1.87 billion), and take 15 years to complete.

Malmö and Copenhagen will be conducting a joint study planned to be completed by the end of 2013, investigating how a subway connection in a new tunnel under the Öresund could increase transport capacity between the two cities and increase growth in the area.

EU's regional Öresund fund will be contributing 4.5 million kronor to the study, and the two municipalities will provide the same amount.

The Öresund Bridge and the City Tunnel, a railway link completed just over a year ago, are two earlier steps taken to improve connections between the two cities, combining them into a joint region.

Commuters in the City Tunnel were very positive to the idea of a subway connection, when asked by DN's reporter.

Thursday and Friday saw many cancelled trains due to a strike in Denmark, and trains are filled to the brim with rush-hour traffic.

"The trains work much better since the City Tunnel opened," said Lisen Zethraeus, who's commuted to work in Copenhagen for four years, to Dagens Nyheter.

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"But an alternative would be great on a day like this."

The idea is that the new subway line would be drawn between Copenhagen's and Malmö's central stations.

TT/Clara Guibourg (news@thelocal.se)

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Your comments about this article

12:23 December 18, 2011 by canuk
Great, illegals can get into the country even faster and then claim refugee status.
12:42 December 18, 2011 by riose
@canuk And you will be able to leave faster if you don't like it.
12:44 December 18, 2011 by Attestupa
This is a great idea ! I would suggest extending the line (above ground) to Lund to link up to the proposed light rail system from Lund central rail station to the developments in the north-east. Also it is time to get a move on with the Helsingborg to Helsinör fixed link. Rock on Ilmar !
13:36 December 18, 2011 by spo10
Canuk only sees the bad side! Wow such ignorance!
15:02 December 18, 2011 by Osk
Bet you 13bn it comes in over budget.
19:13 December 18, 2011 by pacianphoto
@canuk what a jerk.

I'd be very interested in this study though the train issues would need to sorted out in the interim.
20:20 December 18, 2011 by Abe L
Or reduce the fair on the bridge, it's pretty steep if it's part of your daily commute. I'd rather see such things be free and payed for by tax money then some of the other bottomless pits that Sweden and Denmark throw it in.
20:50 December 18, 2011 by engagebrain
2 billion dollars and inevitably rising so that a few thousand commuters can travel to work more easily.

cheaper to

1) make the existing trains longer - more commuters same tracks.

2) examine why people want to make this absurd commute and change whatever needs changing.

3) run buses over the bridge

4) build flats/houses in Denmark.

politicians love opening expensive infrastructure, especially is someone else pays.
21:07 December 18, 2011 by canuk
Thankfully, i no longer live in little arabia. But im sure this should do wonder for property values in malmö. With a faster train more danes who push up the property prices thinking they are saving money from living in cph will be more apt to move to malmö...

I see both sides mr spo10, its the bad side that effects everyone, the good side only affects a few.
00:12 December 19, 2011 by swedekk
Yes, please build this connection to help more people to avoid taxes... (Denmark and Sweden have different ways of handling taxes)
00:33 December 19, 2011 by hackie
@ canuk #1,

Is that all you have to say? Shame on you (shakes head in pity of someone who cannot think)
00:41 December 19, 2011 by MikeSar
This is your chance, show the world how to do it Right!

China high speed rail started operations and had to reduce speed and frequency and increase fares. Airlines there are now more practical.

You have the brain power in Universities and Saab, task them to propose a concept that is right and better than those anywhere.

Maybe they could make a practical version of using a pressure differential to push a train-like car. The wheels would be on the outside and the car could be round or square, ops, rectangular, in cross-section. It will be very quiet and could reach high speeds, I don't know if it is better to use a high pressure push or a vacuum in the front, costs would decide. You have the brain power, make an open concept contest of the design, let all compete and pick the best.

Really pick the best. The JAS 39 should be flying in India but, who knows how did they arrive at their selection. I read the F-35 was shot down there and may be also in US. Maybe the Rafael plane won. Funny, we thought it the second best back when I did some work in Sweden. The world is unfair. Show the world how good you really are. Great many care, including your new friend nation.
01:43 December 19, 2011 by swenrika
@MikeSar - I like your thinking...

Just taking it a step further, It would mean that walls needed to be stronger to hold all the pressure (increased cost), even if you use a vacuum in front, they would need to be stronger to resist implosion. If you use a combination of both, the overall pressure could probably be reduced and thus allowing for not such strong walls, one would need to crunch the numbers on this one.

Alternative, use a train with a vacuum in front, most of the energy gos into pushing that wall of air in front of the wagon, reduce this and the train should be able to go faster consuming less energy, but ofc remember the creation of a vacuum also takes energy, so is it efficient ?

I do tend to think a increase in buses and trains would save a huge lot and get the job done. Not sure how many million people need this per day, but spending a few billion, maybe an alternative more cost effective solution is more the way to go.
02:52 December 19, 2011 by MikeSar
@swenrika - Thanks. You make good points.

In whatever form it takes, if it is good enough for Scandinavia, the World needs it! The idea is to use the task to develop a new practical way to move people from A to B and this idea will have a world market.

The vacuum idea is old, it was proposed some 50 years ago for use across the USA but, of course, it never made it. There was another idea to move a ship with a railway across the narrow portion of Mexico. It didn't fly either.

But, the vacuum tube is still in use to mail letters and small packages within some buildings, since 1930s. They are all gone, maybe there are some left in use. The idea is so old that "vacuum tube" means an old radio component, before the transistor -before the "Stone Age"..
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