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Posted by: Buzzs 2.Dec.2014, 07:59 PM

Hi guys,

I am from India and had almost decided to move over to Australia to start a new life. I am currently in process with my PR for Aus. Recently i got an offer from my current employer (Software industry) to relocate to Sweden for 2-3 year term. Now i am in a fix!

Although i had made my mind to move to Aus, this Sweden offer seems lucrative as in this case everything is kind of taken care by my employer. Firstly i have a secured job and would get all the help in settling down. Secondly my family travel etc. would be paid, assistance in all practical things. Where as with the PR thing, i would have to do everything on my own i.e. find a job, house, school for my kid, etc.

There is no one that i know personally who has lived in these countries and would be able to guide me on anything. I have spent a good amount of money with the PR process already. There would be additional cost whenever i move over to Aus. With this offer, i practically pay nothing for the move as the employer shall take care of most parts with the move.

I seek some help in making this decision. The main reason for me to move was to have a better quality of life. I have travelled to Sweden quite a few times for short stays so i am a bit familiar with the weather and culture a bit, but Aus i know nothing about. Its a big dilemma for me at the moment and would really appreciate any inputs on the same.

Thanks in advance!

Posted by: ben18616 3.Dec.2014, 12:23 AM

I am an Australian living in Stockholm.

Both countries offer a great quality of life. A lot of the problems associated with moving to Sweden have been sorted out by you employer: getting a job, accommodation ect.

In my opinion Australia is a better option longer term; weather is much better, social structure is more relaxed and society is more accepting of immigrants. Cost of living is lower, taxes are lower and wages are higher in Australia. Sweden offers better support for parents, especially in the children's pre-school years. Both countries have excellent public healthcare. in Australia it may be harder to find a job and the cost of relocating could be quite high. Your industry is booming in Stockholm at the moment so you will have lots of potential employers, I'm not sure what it's like in Australia.

My advice would be to accept the offer for Stockholm, give it a go for a few years but still get your PR sorted for Australia so you have it as an option should Stockholm not be for you.

Best of luck

Posted by: Buzzs 3.Dec.2014, 08:42 AM

Thanks for an informative reply Ben.

Its a good advice and I would certainly get the PR process complete so i have something in hand. This option did came across to give it a go for 1-2 years and then decide if i want to continue or plan for Australia.

The downsides to this, the way i see it, toll it would take on my kid to move from one culture to another. For us adults it may not be so difficult but for a young child, not sure how easy that would be. Also, i am not sure about the job prospects in Aus after say 2 years. I am currently 37 and would be nearing 40 then. Could it a problem starting a new life at that age? Would it be difficult to find a suitable job when I am older?

BTW offer is for Umea and not Stockholm. But I guess a smaller city would be a bit more cosier.

Thoughts/comments???

Cheers!

Posted by: cherrybubble 3.Dec.2014, 08:53 AM

QUOTE (Buzzs @ 3.Dec.2014, 08:42 AM) *
Thanks for an informative reply Ben.

Its a good advice and I would certainly get the PR process complete so i have something in hand. This option did came across to give it a go for 1-2 years and then decide if i want to continue or plan for Australia.

The downsides to this, the way i see it, toll it would take on my kid to move from one culture to another. For us adults it may not be so difficult but for a young child, not sure how easy that would be. Also, i am not sure about the job prospects in Aus after say 2 years. I am currently 37 and would be nearing 40 then. Could it a problem starting a new life at that age? Would it be difficult to find a suitable job when I am older?

BTW offer is for Umea and not Stockholm. But I guess a smaller city would be a bit more cosier.

Thoughts/comments???

Cheers!

Stockholm is really not a very big city in absolute terms. It is the biggest city in Sweden though, so that should give you perspective on how big or small Ume? is.

With the added perspective of age, I would really recommend going with Australia. You have the opportunity to move there permanently and find a job and build a life and even if you quit one job and look for another one, your immigration status won't be in question. The initial upfront attraction of Sweden sounds really good, but if you decide to change companies after a year or two in Sweden, you're completely on your own and will have to go back if you can't find another job quickly. It takes quite awhile to get PR in Sweden for working immigrants.

Does your partner work? Do you think it would be easier for them to get a job in one place or the other?

I wouldn't worry too much about the kids. Kids are quite adaptable. My folks moved around a lot and I enjoyed it growing up...of course, I also had friends that HATED it and grew permanent roots as soon as they could, whereas I continue moving from place to place even as an adult. smile.gif

Posted by: Mo 3.Dec.2014, 09:38 AM

Australia all the way

weather
Healthcare
friendliness

you will have more problems than your kids in all likelihood

Posted by: Burt Rask 3.Dec.2014, 11:01 AM

I have lived for two years in Sydney and Melbourne and now for three years just north of Ume? and would wholeheartedly recommend Ume?.

Reasons? Property is much, much, much, MUCH cheaper than in Australia. You can buy an excellent five bedroom house with a few acres for ?180k. The same would cost at least x10 in Australia.

The healthcare here is INCREDIBLE. Ume? has a university hospital which is absolutely first-rate. We have two young kids and the treatment they have received has been amazing. And they're in a dagis (day-care) that costs very little for such advanced care.

The weather, well, we had a two month stretch of 30c+ weather this summer and a slightly less hot stretch last summer. The early winters are cold and dark but, once your over the November/December hump the snow makes everything much brighter. And there's so much to do in Ume? in the winter and summer months. Skiing, snowmobiling, skating and sledding in the winter - swimming in lakes, cycling, walking, fishing in the summer.

The locals up north are also incredibly friendly, much more than down south - and much more so than the Australians I encountered. They're very liberal and tend to admire immigrants for having the chutzpah to try something different.

The job market in Ume? is buoyant too, probably because it's a university town.

I liked Australia but I love Sweden.

In any case, I'd try it here for two years and if Australia still beckons, you've lost nothing. Good luck!!

Posted by: ben18616 3.Dec.2014, 01:05 PM

I wouldn't worry about your age, at 40 you'll be fine, especially if you have good experience that employers are looking for.
Yes its very different to be in a small town compared to Stockholm. You may hate it, but you may also love it. Small towns in Australia are also worlds apart from the big cities.
The only negative of taking the Ume? offer first is that it willdelay you final settlement in Australia should you decide Sweden is not for you. It is difficult to relocate an individuals life, let alone a whole family and takes about 2 years to get comfortable and fit into the new culture.
I think it is safe to say there is no 'wrong' decision, both are amazing options to have and great opportunities.

Posted by: beanjeanie 3.Dec.2014, 05:58 PM

Hi there,

Having lived in both countries for a number of years, I would have to say Australia.
In Australia, I would consider Sydney and then Melbourne due to the number of large multi national, I.T and financial companies located there especially in Sydney. Hence, this means if you do decide to move there and move on after a few years, there will be more potential opportunities with a much higher pay than Sweden. The riskiest part is that you have to weigh up the option of taking the guaranteed job in Sweden versus the potential job in Australia. As the saying goes, the higher the risk, the higher the potential return. Having said that, the current unemployment rate is at it's highest from memory at around 6.5% nationally. You may also want to consider that your partner will have better prospects of earning a second income in Australia for the family as oppose to sweden. This is assuming your partner can converse in English better than in Swedish and is not too fussy with the type of work. The most evident trade off from higher potential income is the cost of housing especially in Sydney and Melbourne. You will have to do the Maths and probably speak to a I.T recruitment specialist to suss out the potential job prospects in your field. This will give you a better insight into your job prospects and earnings in Australia.

I don't know how much of a foodie are you but if you are into Asian ( authentic Indian ) food, just bear in mind that this could have an impact on your time in Sweden especially in the smaller cities/towns. You may most likely need to cook and source ingredients to get your fix to suit the authenticity. Otherwise, The availability of Asian food in Australia is way better and more authentic than Sweden due to the number of Asian migrants and it's proximity to Asia.

Having said that, Sweden has some great points as well for a family looking at relocating.
You can't go past the free education here especially at university level. In Australia, a business degree will probably set your child or you back around 30000 to 40000aud.
Better perks for public healthcare here as oppose to Australia as you have a cap of around 1000kr per year. The cost here will be significantly lower if there are health problems in any of the family member.
Childcare cost is way way cheaper here.
You get to go to more holidays here as you are in Europe. In Australia, the average family trip will be confined to within Australia or New Zealand as the distance to everywhere else is horrendous and costly.

My take on this if it is job opportunities for yourself and your family for the long term, I would strongly consider Australia. If you are doing this for yourself ie career wise or for the short term, Sweden is not a bad place to start.

Posted by: Buzzs 3.Dec.2014, 07:18 PM

Thanks a ton guys! I really have some good insights into this and also am able to see it in different perspectives.

For me, I am an open sort of person. Hopping countries doesn't seem scary to me at least, but my wife is a bit sceptical. She is a medical professional so in either of these places she will have to take some examinations to qualify for working, as Indian degree might not be completely valid on its own. In Sweden, additional thing is the language which none of us know. So I agree that both me and my partner would have better chance of landing a job down under than in Sweden later on.

So far I am somewhat inclining towards giving it a go for 2 years and then see. Another reason I'm tempted to do so is the possibility to travel around Europe. That would be rather difficult once I move to Aus (as pointed out by beanjeanie).

As for risk, i see risk is there in both cases although of different nature. So its a tough call indeed! As Ben rightly said, perhaps there is nothing 'wrong' with going for either. One way of looking at it is - to try Sweden for a while and then Aus as doing it the other way would not be an option later. As they say 'It better to try something and fail than not try at all and repent'

Current status - still confused! unsure.gif

Posted by: Opalnera 3.Dec.2014, 09:17 PM

Sounds like you've answered your question. Move to Sweden for a year or two then move to Australia once you've got permissions sorted out. I like Sweden because my husband is Swedish and he has his lovely family here (and mine are a bit...special). Without a family connection there's no way I'd consider staying here long term.

Posted by: ChocOwl 3.Dec.2014, 09:26 PM

QUOTE (Buzzs @ 3.Dec.2014, 07:18 PM) *
my wife is a bit sceptical. She is a medical professional so in either of these places she will have to take some examinations to qualify for working, as Indian degree might not be completely valid on its own. In Sweden, additional thing is the language which none of us know.

I suggest you and your wife check what she will need to do to work in Sweden and compare this with what she will need to do to work in Australia.
With a non-EU degree she will need to go through a possibly lengthy process to work in Sweden, so if you are only staying for 2-3 years she probably would not manage it, although it depends on the profession (how many exams she needs to do) and how fast she can learn Swedish.

A medical professional with a qualification from/professional registration in Sweden or India will need to do some exams and/or prac in Australia also. Think about whether she would manage to go through the process in Sweden and then another similar process in Australia.

I came to Sweden as a non-EU trained pharmacist and gained registration as a pharmacist in Sweden. I don't think I would do that again in a new country. It's not an easy process and it means an extended period with little/no income while you get your qualification sorted.

Posted by: jackiejunkie 4.Dec.2014, 09:32 AM

QUOTE (Buzzs @ 3.Dec.2014, 07:18 PM) *
For me, I am an open sort of person. Hopping countries doesn't seem scary to me at least, but my wife is a bit sceptical. She is a medical professional so in either of these places she will have to take some examinations to qualify for working, as Indian degree might not be completely valid on its own. In Sweden, additional thing is the language which none of us know. So I agree that both me and my partner would have better chance of landing a job down under than in Sweden later on.

It is next to impossible for a non-EU medical professional to crack the license examinations in Sweden. There are written examinations and practical examinations where they interact with patients. All this has to be done in Swedish. And you get only 2 trials! I know some non-EU medical professionals who had to study the whole thing (4-6 years) again in Swedish at a university to be able to work in their profession. I am saying this from personal experience.

According to some statistics available on SCB, which I saw some time back, the number of licenses issued for non-EU medical professionals is very very low.

My final answers is, yes it's possible. But it's extremely difficult.

Posted by: ChocOwl 4.Dec.2014, 11:25 AM

It's not so easy for foreign trained doctors to get full registration in Australia either. In order to be able to bill via Medicare I think you need to wait 10 years or work in an area of need, ie a remote area.
However, OP didn't specifically say his wife is a doctor.

I think there are a very large number of foreign-trained doctor sin Sweden.
A DN article from 2013 says:
Mer ?n h?lften av de l?karlegitimationer som utf?rdas av Socialstyrelsen ges till personer utbildade utomlands.
More than half the doctor licences issued in Sweden are to foreign-trained doctors.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/utlandet-servar-sverige-med-lakare/

However the question for the OP to think about is whether his wife wants to work in her profession in Sweden and in Australia. I think that would be very tough to go through the registration process in 2 countries. The time and energy required would be quite taxing. When I was going through the rego process as a pharmacist in Sweden I met a few other healthcare professionals who had been trying to pass the language exam (usually the first exam you need to pass, offered a few times a year) for quite some time. When I was doing my exams (2001) it took a minimum of about 11 months to get registration counting from when you pass the language exam, however most people take several years.

Posted by: mesterkatten 4.Dec.2014, 01:31 PM

I Hope you get to experience both Australia and Sweden. ( I have lived in both - I love them both )

These 2 countries are so polar opposite in everything it will be a very rich cultural experience for your family.

I would do Sweden first and take advantage of being so close to everything in europe and then finish up in Australia because at the end of the day, it is easier to live there in spite of it's isolation. Also your wife would have less trouble working in her field in Oz than Sweden. (thinking language barrier assuming she speaks english ).

all the best.

Posted by: Burt Rask 4.Dec.2014, 04:05 PM

The north is crying out for medical professionals of all sorts. I know of three people that have come here without Swedish and have found work immediately. They learned on the job and were given extracurricular tuition.

I think a lot of people here only have experience of southern Sweden. The north is quite different and, in my opinion, more welcoming, accommodating and calmer. And a LOT cheaper.

Posted by: jackiejunkie 4.Dec.2014, 04:19 PM

QUOTE (ChocOwl @ 4.Dec.2014, 11:25 AM) *
I think there are a very large number of foreign-trained doctor sin Sweden.
A DN article from 2013 says:
Mer ?n h?lften av de l?karlegitimationer som utf?rdas av Socialstyrelsen ges till personer utbildade utomlands.
More than half the doctor licences issued in Sweden are to foreign-trained doctors.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/utlandet-servar-sverige-med-lakare/

I think you didn't understand my post correctly. What you mean could be correct because the process for obtaining license for medical professionals is different depending whether you are trained in EU or non-EU. EU trained professionals don't have to take tests for their respective fields. They just have to pass the Swedish language skills test.

Whereas for non-EU professionals, they have to take their respective professional tests in Swedish on top of the Swedish language tests. Your article doesn't say where majority of the doctors who are trained abroad come from.

I can't find the SCB document now, but that document showed country by country statistics for all medial professionals in Sweden. So my reply was based on those facts.

Posted by: Opalnera 4.Dec.2014, 05:53 PM

There are about as many Indian doctors in Australia as there are taxi drivers (ie heaps) so it must be possible.

Posted by: Buzzs 4.Dec.2014, 07:10 PM

Thanks for the replies friends, I really appreciate it! smile.gif

To be precise, my wife's a dentist and I actually have explored a bit earlier about her prospects in Australia. What is said here is correct, any medical professional needs to undergo theory and practical with two attempts to do the same. And yes its tough, but its a profession you cannot take half measures. She has a friend in Australia who has also taken this hard route and cleared exams. Since she does speak English, she would have to focus on her domain only. Perhaps Sweden would be the same. If that is the case then i think she would certainly not want to do the same thing thrice (actually including study in India). May be being an apprentice could be an option while in Sweden, if possible.

But honestly speaking what we are looking for is mainly her to be occupied during the day in something related to her profession. Even if it is not full fledged dentistry something close would do too. I think she'd be happy with something like that and can prepare for Aus exam during this time.

As long as we are able to live decently in Sweden for this tenure on my salary, travel around once in a while, save a bit for Aus, she would be okay to just be engaged.

Actually this brings me to another question, what would be a decent/acceptable salary to have that sort of a life in Sweden? In my mind, we should be able to eat normally, go out maybe once a week, shop once in a while, travel around a bit, and possibly save a little. I have not had any concrete discussions with my employer on compensation yet. Would highly appreciate any inputs on this front!!!

Posted by: Opalnera 4.Dec.2014, 08:03 PM

http://www.lonestatistik.se/loner.asp is a decent guide for salary expectations.

Posted by: Buzzs 5.Dec.2014, 07:00 AM

Thanks Opalnera! The link provides what could be a typical salary industry and area wise, which is really good.

But is that going to be sufficient for a family of 3 to lead an enjoyable life? What is the bare minimum needed considering some of things i wish to do while in Sweden? If the compensation falls below this range, i think it would be easier for me to make a decision.

Cheers!

Posted by: rachel.nz 5.Dec.2014, 10:47 AM

Hey, I have been living in Ume? for a little more than a year now, so thought i'd throw in my two cents worth.

There is a dentist school here in Ume?, so maybe you and your wife should look into whether she can get something like a teaching or research position, if practicing as a dentist is out of the question, - I know a dentist who works at the hospital/university (Norrlands universitetssjukhus) and she is always mentioning having foreigners(visitors working with her.

How old is your child? There are SO many international people here in Ume?, that most of the schools have a whole class for kids who are learning Swedish as a foreign language, also your child will get extra help with their schooling from a qualified teacher who speaks the language that your child speaks, so your child will be well looked after. Your child will learn Swedish very fast, regardless of their age, it is just the bonus of being stuck in school where they need it.

Also, your wife will have access to free Swedish classes, starting with SFI (swedish for immigrants) and moving on Komvux (free adult education), which as she is an educated dentist, should be no problem for her so long as she's motivated to learn, and there are also opportunities to pay for better quality courses where you get more one on one teaching and so on, but I don't see the worth in those, as when in the country you can immerse yourself with TV/radio/reading the newspaper/making Swedish friends/shopping etc. But as others mentioned, it will be a long while before she will master enough Swedish to practice as a dentist (unfortunately, most likely 2-3 years, but with motivation and the time, 1 year).

And as mentioned already in this thread, Ume? is a great little university town, plenty of cultural diversity, plenty of well-educated professionals in your age group, plenty of families, lovely nature and so on. The only downfall to Ume? is a the winter darkness which can be exhausting and even take a toll on your health, but as long as your busy and eat healthy, exercise, etc, then come January(Feb you will have already forgotten the terrible november/december period.

But there is no point trying to compare the experience of living in Ume? to living in one of Australia's bigger cities.. it all depends on you and your family, and your wants and needs. But I wholeheartedly recommend to come here and give it a go, for at least a year, it will be an experience you'll never forget - and Aus will always be there!


In regards to salary, what is the job title/industry/company/and how much experience do you have? then we can give you a more reasonable expectation of salary. Here is another webpage I'd recommend you check out,
http://allastudier.se/jobb-o-l%C3%B6n/
In terms of tax you can expect to pay 30-40% depending on your income. The average working Swede will end up with 22,557 SEK in the pocket per month. Probably not enough to support your wife and child and live a great life, but definitely enough to live an average life. And if your wife finds a job she'll obviously be contributing around this much as well, so then you'll have a great life (taking into account you don't have any big loans or so on).
Although considering you've been head-hunted, I assume you'll be earning much more than the average wage?

Posted by: ahalim 5.Dec.2014, 04:25 PM

I'm an Australian Citizen who has just moved to work in Lule?, another country town in Northern Sweden. I've just been here for 5 months. I originally come from Indonesia but lived in Australia between 2000 and 2014 so I believe that I can offer a quite objective view on both countries.

To me, Australia was a very nice place to live and work until in the past four years when cost of everything went through the roof. During my 14 years in Australia, I lived in Brisbane (2000-2006), Central Queensland coalfield (2006-2008), and Kalgoorlie-Boulder (2008-2014). My time in Brisbane was the most enjoyable as everything was cheap at that time, about 40 - 50% of today's prices. I visited Brisbane in December last year and I found that the city is no longer the city when I was living in there as everything is so expensive. Fuel is even more expensive than that in my then residence, Kalgoorlie-Boulder, which is a country town. And it is not the most expensive place in Australia as Sydney, Melbourne, and Perth are more expensive than Brisbane. In general, living in Australia currently is really tough due to high prices. In fact, some recent surveys found that living in Australia is more expensive than living in the United States, which was not the case when I migrated to Australia in 2000. Also, the economy condition of Australia is in a very bad shape at the moment, mostly caused by high cost to run a business, and the decline of demand from China and India on Australia's mining products. In the past two years, many companies, including multi national companies, have cut thousands of jobs. The government is also doing a huge cost cutting throughout its agencies. Australia's economy depends heavily on China and India as they are the largest importer of Australian products (Australia's economy depends heavily of exporting its mining and agricultural products). Therefore, you only need to see the economy condition of China and India to predict your prospect in Australia.

I found that prices in Lule?, which I believe are similar with those in Ume?, are slightly cheaper than the ones I experienced in Australia in the past four years. The social security system in Sweden is much better than that in Australia. The health cost is much cheaper than that in Australia. I also found that Sweden's economy condition is better than Australia's at the moment. This is the main reason of why I decided to move to Sweden. Note that living in country areas like Northern Sweden in cheaper than in big cities like Stockholm. This is currently not the case in Australia where living in big cities and in country areas are equally very expensive.

Long term vision? Honestly I don't know and I don't think that anyone can accurately predict the future in Australia and in Sweden. However, from what's going on these days, it seems that future in Sweden is better than that in Australia. But this may change.

Posted by: Opalnera 5.Dec.2014, 06:03 PM

I'm not really sure how you came to those facts but at present, unemployment is better and the economy is better in Australia which is why it's the 4th most expensive country in the world. I also visited Brisbane last year and was a bit shocked by how much the prices had gone up but then I was also extremely shocked by how much money all my friends and family are earning there now. A dentist would expect to get at least 50000kr a month compared to Ume? where the average dentist starts around 30000kr a month. I actually did a comparison using http://www.numbeo.com/common/website: "You would need around 6,038.76A$ (37,978.42kr) in Brisbane to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 30,000.00kr in Umea (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Consumer Prices Including Rent Index."

I recently got offered a job in Brisbane paying about 40000kr a month. I'm considering taking it. When I left there 4 years ago I was getting paid 30000kr a month for the exact same job.

Posted by: Buzzs 7.Dec.2014, 07:32 PM

Thank you for wonderful insights guys. This really gives me a well rounded information on what i can expect when in Umea (if i choose of course!).

rachel.nz, my wife's not too motivated to learn a new language as of now, especially if it is going to be temporary stay. Best thing for her would be to be able to continue in english with may be picking up a little bit of Swedish on the way. That's as of today, i hope things change if we move there. As for my daughter she's 6 and i agree, she might be able to learn quickest amongst us. My details, i work in software industry as an architect with around 10+ experience. I have gone through links provided and got a high level idea on what usually people earn, but would love to hear your thoughts for sure.

ahalim & Opalnera, thanks for your inputs. I guess it is very difficult to predict the job situation in coming years for any place especially in these volatile times. So may be we can't be sure about things in longer run, however I'm an optimist by nature so would want to believe things would be fine. Since I am yet to get on with negotiations, what i'm really looking for is to know what would be a good figure to have a decent life. I only want to make this move if it's going to be liveable for three of us. For calculations sake i'd assume my wife may not work so i'll base my decision to move on what i will be offered. I really want to know the threshold number where i could say yes or no. Any thoughts???

For Aus, through my research and friends i know what can i expect there. I think i also know what is the minimum i should have to support a family of three there. But for Sweden or Umea i'm not sure what i should settle for.

Another aspect that haunts me is the age/experience after two years (if i move to Sweden and then plan for Aus). Do you think more exp. and age would affect my chances of landing a job easily? I mean if i go to Aus now and start the journey, perhaps in 2 years time i might be well settled there and would not have worry about these things reaching my 40's. Whereas if i spend the next two years in Swden and then decide that may be it wasn't for me, would that be a struggle in any way? Any insights would be helpful.

Cheers!

Posted by: ben18616 8.Dec.2014, 10:45 AM

A few people have mentioned that healthcare is cheaper in Sweden. I don't believe this is the case. My experience recently has been higher out of pocket costs in Sweden and a quality of service that is not as good. Having said this I believe both systems are of high quality and affordable.

Emergency care/hospital admission in Australia: free
Visiting you GP in Australia: free (if you choose a bulk billing doctor)
Essential specialist services: free (if you choose a bulk billing service)
All the above services in Sweden: between 100kr -350 kr per visit (capped at 1100kr per patient per year )

Pharmaceuticals in Aus: max $36.40 per prescription ($6 if you are a on a low income)
Pharmaceuticals in Sweden: market price but capped at 2200 kr per patient per year

Posted by: ahalim 8.Dec.2014, 12:44 PM

It is true that hospital admission is free IF the hospital is a public one. However, the waiting list is usually long. It's the same situation with bulk billing GP and specialists. Medicare, which is the government provided health care in Australia, does not cover physiotherapists, optometrists and dentists. My wife has a regular back problem so when we were in Australia we had to visit physios regularly, on average every two weeks. We bought a private health insurance policy that partially covered physio fee ($200 / SEK 1260 per month) but each physio visit still costed us about $40 (SEK 250). Here in Lule?, we only paid SEK 125 for each physio visit, and after 9 visits, it is free for the rest of the year after my wife is registered into Swedish social security system. This cost is probably more expensive in big cities like Stockholm, G?thenburg, and Malm?.

However, I agree that both countries' system have good quality.

Posted by: gumbi 9.Dec.2014, 09:53 AM

interesting discussion ..

just want to add that please consider the taxes paid upfront when comparing the two countries.

For example, in Sweden you pay 4.35% sjukf

Posted by: ThomasCuh 16.Dec.2015, 11:35 PM

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Posted by: FindusKatt 17.Dec.2015, 01:32 AM

Hmm... I would think Australia in the long term is good for both you, your wife, and child. There is no need to spend time on language for you adults, that takes a lot of time, given your age now. It's not a big problem for your kid on this sole aspect. Your wife would end up struggling with language, unemployed and depending on you for quite a while, unless she is willing to take some job that might not be very desirable... I knew at least two couples with similar case (husband offered a job, and wife is very unhappy and jobless, even they try to learn Swedish...) have moved away. It requires MORE EFFORT to integrate into Swedish society than Australia given your background (age, career, language etc).

Although there are also tons of advantage of Sweden, at the moment for you, a job offer, help for relocation, free language classes and education for your wife and kid, easy access to traveling around Europe.

If you don't get sick too often and require long-term treatment I wouldn't think too much on Sweden.. in the long-term it might be cheap, but in the short term it's more costy, and I heard the efficiency is very bad, waiting list can be very long too.

Maybe you should work out a list of gain points and lose points for both countries, and compare with statistics. Or if possible, perhaps visiting both places as holidays before the decision?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Dec.2015, 01:42 AM

With the unrest in the African/near east world and their proximity to Europe, I would go to Australia!!!

Posted by: lonely blogger 17.Dec.2015, 03:19 AM

AU is far better than SE to live. SE now a overloaded country

Posted by: chazza 17.Dec.2015, 11:58 AM

I haven't read this thread - just the heading - but if you like about 300 days a year of sunshine and a medical system that works and people who are friendly and easy to get to know then I would say its no contest.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Oct.2016, 04:38 AM

Live someplace else and visit Sweden...Your tourist dollars will help pay for all the "new" arrivals...

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