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The misery of trying to find apartment in sweden

But everybody seems happy.

Saywhatwhat
post 2.Nov.2019, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (john.boy @ 31.Oct.2019, 09:36 PM) *
The trap is called socialism, the law that controls rent levels needs to be removed.


Rent control isn’t socialism, idiot.


QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 2.Nov.2019, 02:10 AM) *
If affordable housing is so scarce...why aren't the streets of Sweden crowded with the homeless sleeping on them...Where are the people who cannot find affordable housing living???


It’s not about affordable housing, it’s about stable housing, idiot.
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Saywhatwhat
post 2.Nov.2019, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE (john.boy @ 31.Oct.2019, 09:36 PM) *
In addition to the very large market of people swapping 1st-hand contracts, where landlords agree to switch the 1st-hand contracts between 2-parties who wish to "swap&quo ... (show full quote)


In order for that to happen both parties need existing first hand contracts. And that is the problem being discussed here... not being able to get first hand contracts....

Idiot
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pepitoAndalucia
post 4.Nov.2019, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 2.Nov.2019, 06:06 PM) *
In order for that to happen both parties need existing first hand contracts. And that is the problem being discussed here... not being able to get first hand contracts... . Idiot



Been in that situation and met people in the same situation who were immigrants and the housing companies made their lives difficult and putting obstacles to swap first hand.

Here in sweden they don't tell you not even 1% of what's actually happening regarding rental market both 1st hand and second hand.

If the world knew the daily reality of the rental market... but sweden is lucky to be protected by international criticism. They only show the PR about sweden is amazing but don't say a thing about the trap of the second hand market.
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pepitoAndalucia
post 4.Nov.2019, 01:43 AM
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https://svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/orebro/atta-a...for-fa-bostader

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Örebro is a city with 117,543 inhabitants


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Eight out of twelve municipalities in the county have too few homes


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There are too few homes in our municipalities, according to Boverket's annual survey. It is worst in the metropolitan regions and higher education municipalities, such as Örebro. But even in the smaller municipalities there is a housing shortage.


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In Sweden, there is a shortage of housing in 240 of 290 municipalities. In Örebro county there is a deficit in eight of our twelve municipalities.


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The newspaper Home & rent has reviewed the statistics from the Swedish National Board of Housing, Building and Planning and found that five of the county's twelve municipalities, even if three years, expect to have a deficit.


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In 59 of the country's municipalities, a single new apartment is not expected to be built within a three-year period, according to Hem & rent .


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The Swedish Housing Agency's survey also shows that it is difficult for new arrivals to obtain housing. 76 percent of the country's municipalities do not have enough apartments for new arrivals.


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The type of housing that is most in demand is rental apartments and, above all, larger apartments. The municipalities state that the main obstacle to balance is high production costs and that private individuals cannot afford the housing.
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Saywhatwhat
post 4.Nov.2019, 04:58 AM
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QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 4.Nov.2019, 01:37 AM) *
Been in that situation and met people in the same situation who were immigrants and the housing companies made their lives difficult and putting obstacles to swap first hand.H ... (show full quote)



Sweden is lucky that no one really gives a shit about them other than a glossed over glance. Sweden uses this to put a shiny, thin, plastic coating on for the world to see while they are rotting inside.

Not like it’s going to make a difference but kudos to you for just putting out source after source.

At first I worried about your well being but I believe you said this is a form of venting for you.

Take care pep!

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pepitoAndalucia
post 4.Nov.2019, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 4.Nov.2019, 05:58 AM) *
Sweden is lucky that no one really gives a shit about them other than a glossed over glance. Sweden uses this to put a shiny, thin, plastic coating on for the world to see whi ... (show full quote)



Thanks for the support.

Actually I think speaking my mind have taken me out of the system. I cannot tell you here but as you know in sweden big brother is always watching.

Yes, I need to vent it because it's big elephant in the room and trust me it can kick you out of sweden, I met people who left sweden because they were moving every 6 months and couldn't keep up with that kind of life. I posted all the links so people can see the extent of the problem but real life is even more stressful. Sweden does not deserve all the medals and recognition as a superior country. It's really unfair how they are in the spotlight without having done anything for anybody. Because sweden keeps the rental market quiet from international news and that speaks volumes about their true transparency which is NONE!.

I still have to hear comments even from people of my own country saying that sweden is a paradise and they are so much better and evolved than us. Crazy stuff. swedish pr abroad is powerful and it can mislead the people who had never lived in sweden.

I am glad that I had the chance to live in sweden. I would never have seen the real sweden unless I hadn't moved in. I have learnt a lot and my country while far from perfect is not as terrible as even media portrays us.
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temp0rary
post 11.Nov.2019, 11:45 PM
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It's a misery for us grown up in sweden also. Too many immigrants.. I don't like it. And im not a racist. But they can take cover here until their wars are over and then they can go back and rebuild their countries.. Then leave us more apartments. It's too many today. It's like 3 million immigrants today i think. Thats allot. Dont know how many apartments but a million maybe that could be free? I have no idea..
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pepitoAndalucia
post 15.Nov.2019, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE (temp0rary @ 12.Nov.2019, 12:45 AM) *
It's a misery for us grown up in sweden also. Too many immigrants.. I don't like it. And im not a racist. But they can take cover here until their wars are over and th ... (show full quote)



The lack of apartments have been long before the immigration wave. Do your research. So blame your own over protective system not immigrants.

Your country is pretty much empty, plenty of space to build. So the rental market is the way it is because in the end you swedes are overprotective.

And again the queues, the short term rental contracts have been since forever. So putting the blame on immigrants is not knowing the real motives.
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TheExpatEagle
post 15.Nov.2019, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 15.Nov.2019, 04:56 PM) *
The lack of apartments have been long before the immigration wave. Do your research. So blame your own over protective system not immigrants.Your country is pretty much empty, ... (show full quote)


You are wrong. It was relatively easy to get an apartment in Stockholm before the immigration wave. I can vouch for that with 1st hand experience.

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pepitoAndalucia
post 15.Nov.2019, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 15.Nov.2019, 08:33 PM) *
You are wrong. It was relatively easy to get an apartment in Stockholm before the immigration wave. I can vouch for that with 1st hand experience.


You are misinformation trying to cover up how bad the rental market is in sweden.


https://omni.se/storstadernas-bostadsko-nar...miljon/a/qL7Jqe

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At present, 998,000 people are in the housing queues in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. The number has increased by 70,000 in just one year, a review by SvD shows.

Housing Stockholm CEO Christer Edfeldt believes that the queue time for an apartment in Greater Stockholm - 10.4 years - is still leveling off. He also sees it as positive that the number of applicants per apartment is no longer increasing. On average, 300 people search every vacant apartment.

Maria Meyer-Martins, CEO of Boplats Göteborg, warns instead of a housing social crisis.

- The worst thing is that even the housing applicants who are completely without contracts increase quite a lot, she tells SvD.
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pepitoAndalucia
post 15.Nov.2019, 09:50 PM
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https://www.svt.se/opinion/ingen-tvekan-om-...or-bostadsbrist

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"No doubt there is a big housing shortage"


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According to the National Board of Health, there are today over 33,000 people living in homelessness . 3,300 of these live in Gothenburg and several of them are children.

Then it should be noted that the National Board of Health counts only homeless people with social security numbers and who are known by the Social Services. The dark figure should be considerable.

The waiting time for a rental apartment in Gothenburg is at least 1,524 days, according to recent statistics from Boplats Göteborg. Although there is likely to be some air in the housing queue, it should be extremely difficult to question the lack of housing on an evidence-based scientific basis.

Given the housing shortage, it is extremely inappropriate to further reduce the number of rents.

Primarily because the rent is needed as rent. But also because of the conversion of older relatively cheap rents.

Such as people with weak finances can afford to rent. They are not helped by new production with sometimes twice as high rent.
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kilgore
post 7.Dec.2019, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (temp0rary @ 11.Nov.2019, 11:45 PM) *
It's a misery for us grown up in sweden also. Too many immigrants.. I don't like it. And im not a racist. But they can take cover here until their wars are over and th ... (show full quote)


Stop blaming immigration for the gross incompetence of politicians.

Other than the fact that there are not "3 million immigrants" in Sweden (not even close), immigration, when handled well, is a net source of economic growth for the country. Not only do immigrants work and pay taxes like everybody else, but they they use fewer state resources than school-aged children or retired people.

But of course the government has to be competent enough to plan ahead and allow the building of the necessary housing and expand public services accordingly instead of allowing another housing bubble to grow uncontrolled and implementing another round of budget cuts.
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nativeswedishengineer
post 7.Dec.2019, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE (kilgore @ 7.Dec.2019, 04:42 PM) *
Stop blaming immigration for the gross incompetence of politicians.Other than the fact that there are not "3 million immigrants" in Sweden (not even close), immigrat ... (show full quote)


When handled right yes, not when a cleaner from Mongolia earning the bare minimum gets to bring her two children and put them in public school neither when a nursing assistant from Bangladesh earning absolutely minimum allowed wage is allowed to bring himself and his pregnant wife in nor when a wage stagnating web developer from Pakistan gets to bring his wife and three children with him.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 7.Dec.2019, 06:43 PM
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When "native" Western Europe populations dramatically reverse their downward trend and begin to substantially increase, the immigration "problem" will disappear... rolleyes.gif
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kilgore
post 7.Dec.2019, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 15.Nov.2019, 03:56 PM) *
The lack of apartments have been long before the immigration wave. Do your research. So blame your own over protective system not immigrants.Your country is pretty much empty, ... (show full quote)


You are absolutely right. This country is nothing BUT empty space and yet most people are forced to burn half their salaries for a miserable 1 rok or live so far away from the city that they waste half their life commuting.

From what I could deduce the real problem is that too many people have their savings dumped in their house or apartment, and they have every incentive to block new developments.

Of course this is nothing but rentier economy and an asset bubble that slows down the real productive economy and is destined to burst sooner or later. It is a matter of time until people realize a one room apartment in a small city like Stockholm isn't really worth as much as a 100 square meter apartment in any big European capital.
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