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Job discrimination based on heritage?

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Svedallas
post 1.Nov.2016, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE (Hisingen @ 1.Nov.2016, 11:06 AM) *
Savage acts like one demented. Life has clearly passed it by in Sweden, and the Svedallas advice for a Swexit would seem the ideal solution. Bitterness eats at the soul and cl ... (show full quote)


I figured it out Hisingen. Savage is deliberately posting offensive threads to increase "clicks" thus get more revenue from the Local. Obviously this is where Savage is getting the Freelancing paycheck.
Past few weeks was particularly high. That "freelancing" isn't getting you anywhere Savage?


The Local has finally sunk to a all time low.



Writing false and negative threads with the intent of instigating a hateful debate about immigration and crime, and also posting negative headlines about Sweden - only so as to increase their revenue? (Something Savage admitted to in a post). Smart thinking admitting that on a thread.
You only just reduced the reputation of The Local (what is left of it) by further putting it down the gutter.

Thanks to the admission that your negative threads only increase revenue. But actually, you just look like a fool. Have you no morals, at all??! Seeing your latest post. Obviously not.


Savage will continue posting ludicrous and bashing posts about Sweden, immigration, give negative advise and anything on the contrary because:

1. Savage is getting paid to do it by The Local. As they say - bad press is better than no press.

2. The Local is losing money and now getting very desperate to get more viewers.
As per yesterdays headline about Sweden not having enough "Butter" - calling it a "crisis"

3. Syrians joining pornography? (Meanwhile - might I add, it was a historical event yesterday having the Pope in Sweden. But this was the first thread that Savage posted - just goes to show how desperate Savage and The Local is).


There is no respect, no morals, no respect to Sweden. This is becoming a corrupt newspaper - all in the name of increasing their online revenues.

After many years reading this paper. More years that Savage has even lived in Sweden. I am stepping out - for the simple reason, I do respect Sweden. This latest post (above) shows the an example of the low that Savage and the Local have.

Rather than be a fruitful discussion forum. This is now a filthy discussion forum full of hatred and ill advise.

Finally, I would like to conclude that is by far one of the worst "Swedish" (if I dare call it that) online newspapers.


RIP The Local newspaper.
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LLHope
post 1.Nov.2016, 04:39 PM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 1.Jan.2014

QUOTE (Savage @ 31.Oct.2016, 04:12 PM) *
Agreed. Using a "sson" last name and a typically Nordic name like Johan can work wonders. I believe Andersson is the most common last name in Sweden, so choosing a n ... (show full quote)
And lying to a potential employer right from the get-go is guaranteed to leave you out in the cold!

That aside, why bother about the family name when first name is more subtle. There is a sub-conscious difference between someone, for example, calling themselves "Johan Akbar" sompared to "Mohammed Andersson". Think about it.

The issue here is not discrimination per-se, but the OPs and others immediate reaction to the fact that they cannot get their foot through the door into the job market ...and immediately call racism, when there are soooooo many other factors involved in hiring someone, especially into an existing team. For example, I know companies that will not proceed with any part of the recruitment until they receive a minimum of 1 female applicant (not saying they want females, but HR policy states a minimum of 1 applicant regardless of whether they are reviewed or not), others who do the same but with regards 1 male applicant. I also know of many companies that will place their advertisements for a position detailing the role, yet do not mention that they require someone who has never worked in their specific business sector (they want fresh views of someone who has done similar role in other sectors).

That said, Sweden is incredibly discriminatory when it comes to AGE. It is recognised as a problem even amongst HR professionals and recruiting companies biggrin.gif ...there is a past historic reason with regards collective agreements as to why this is so, even though many collective agreements have now changed the understanding of the change has not. The best time for professional/management recruitment is between the age of 35-47, over 50 and it will be a struggle, under 35 and they worry about your kiddie years.
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Savage
post 1.Nov.2016, 08:03 PM
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Joined: 11.Mar.2016

QUOTE (LLHope @ 1.Nov.2016, 05:39 PM) *
And lying to a potential employer right from the get-go is guaranteed to leave you out in the cold!


How is it lying?
Many people change their names, legally and without such scrutinization or accusations of lying.

Unless you mean that meeting a person of a specific racial characteristic (Not a bated statement) that doesn't match its perceived expectation.
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Genaro
post 2.Nov.2016, 10:25 PM
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Joined: 30.Mar.2015

QUOTE (LLHope @ 1.Nov.2016, 03:39 PM) *
And lying to a potential employer right from the get-go is guaranteed to leave you out in the cold! That aside, why bother about the family name when first name is more su ... (show full quote)


Come on Yorkie, you're better than this.

1. It was implicit that any name change would be carried out legally via SV or whoever.
2. Job market; do you have any credible evidence to indicate that such a thing exists in Sweden?

If you carry on like this then Hisingen's job at the Swedish Tourist Board is definitely safe!
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LLHope
post 3.Nov.2016, 07:54 PM
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Location: Stockholm
Joined: 1.Jan.2014

QUOTE (newkidontheblock @ 27.Oct.2016, 09:41 AM) *
Adding a surname of my partner is the closes thing to a grey area I can do, without being completely dishonest as I don't want to fraud anyone, and since we are in sambo o ... (show full quote)
QUOTE (Genaro @ 2.Nov.2016, 10:25 PM) *
1. It was implicit that any name change would be carried out legally via SV or whoever.
No it was not.

QUOTE (Genaro @ 2.Nov.2016, 10:25 PM) *
2. Job market; do you have any credible evidence to indicate that such a thing exists in Sweden?
Seek and ye shall find... it has been the case for a long time. The main reason in the past was because Trade Union Collection Agreements had a clause that if an employer wanted to employed someone over a certain age, they had to check the candidates existing pension funds, and if those funds did not match (or above) the level that they should be according to current collective agreement and working age, then before the union would agree to the recruitment the employer had to agree a 1-off cash injection to the pension fund to bring the candidate to the required level. This was one clear case where whilst the unions believed they were doing something that benefited an employee, it actually had the opposite effect in terms of recruitment of older employees (and immigrants for that matter, and older immigrants for that matter as they became too expensive to employ over locals who had previously worked under collective agreements, especially professional). So much so that only in the last few years is it that the unions seems to realise their mistake and many collective agreements have been amended to reduce that clause to an option rather than being mandatory. however, many people who do recruitment don't keep up to date with what is actually in the collective agreements in detail.

QUOTE (Genaro @ 2.Nov.2016, 10:25 PM) *
Come on Yorkie
???

I certainly do remember Yorkie chocolate bars from my Youth smile.gif ...They used to be advertised with male truckers taking a bite of the chunky chocolate ...I wonder if there is a feminist equivalent nowadays?
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Savage
post 3.Nov.2016, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 3.Nov.2016, 08:54 PM) *
???I certainly do remember Yorkie chocolate bars from my Youth ...They used to be advertised with male truckers taking a bite of the chunky chocolate ...I wonder if there is ... (show full quote)


https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showuser=119347

The forum collects IP login data on every visit.
And so can easily identify persons whom login in from the same location, and lists the usernames associated with that IP on all history.
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Bsmith
post 3.Nov.2016, 11:49 PM
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Joined: 25.Jun.2009

QUOTE (LLHope @ 3.Nov.2016, 07:54 PM) *
I certainly do remember Yorkie chocolate bars from my Youth ...They used to be advertised with male truckers taking a bite of the chunky chocolate ...I wonder if there is a f ... (show full quote)



Yeah, they're called Porkies.
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Genaro
post 4.Nov.2016, 12:10 PM
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Joined: 30.Mar.2015

QUOTE (Savage @ 3.Nov.2016, 09:53 PM) *
https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showuser=119347The forum collects IP login data on every visit.And so can easily identify persons whom login in from the same locatio ... (show full quote)


Exactly. Yorkie (sic) became LLHope, purveyor of single source dross.
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wallace1837
post 15.Feb.2017, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 27.Oct.2016, 08:34 AM) *
From OECD it exist everywhere ( https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-bor...nemployment.htm ). Lets see what is the magnitude in some countries.ratio = Unemployment foreign ... (show full quote)


Wow the OECD number had Sweden with a 2.65 in 2014, now with a different set of data (how comparable is this is up to interpretation), the same ratio is 5.13. More than 5 non Swedish born for every Swede on unemployment. They were good, and now they just get better at discrimination.
http://www.thelocal.se/20170213/this-map-s...loyed-in-sweden

Stay away from Sweden and be happy!
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Mib
post 15.Feb.2017, 02:01 PM
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Sweden is not a racist country. However, it is discriminatory due to several reasons when you compare with the UK and USA. In my experience and observations, Sweden hasn't had the large influx of immigrants for generations like the UK and US, so there is a greater suspicion and as a result, they play safe and stick with a native Swede in most cases. In the UK, people from India and Eastern Europe are viewed as educated and hard workers and sometimes are preferred over native English who are viewed sometimes as less hard working.

Certifications that you have obtained while abroad are not recognised in Sweden. There is a long winded system which is trying to set the equivalents to a Swedish certification, but as I understand it takes a very long time. Also, the statistics of unemployed immigrants in Sweden is also very high, because Sweden has been the most welcoming country in Europe for many years to accept refugees and many of those refugees are not educated to the same level as we are in Europe and that makes it more difficult. However, a lot Syrian refugees are highly educated like PHDs, Doctors etc, but then put them in North Sweden where there are very little opportunities!

English is spoken everywhere. The Swedes speak perfect English, but the older generation are not always at the same level as their younger counterparts and so feel uncomfortable with that. However, Swedes do speak Swedish and eventually you either learn the language or limit yourself, unless you get lucky. It's part of integrating into society, the social aspects etc. I heard from one indian guy several years ago that one of the large international Management Consultancy firms in Sweden decided not to employ non-Swedish speaking people anymore as they found that they didn't progress as well as the Swedish speakers. So, that was purely a business decision.

You could do an experiment and send in a CV with a different name to companies who either reject you or don't respond to see if that works. Then if you're invited, you could explain to them at the interview why you did that and then charm them into giving you the job smile.gif.

To make you feel better, I have a Swedish friend who applied for jobs directly for development jobs, coding etc and he said that the big companies rarely respond. He did find it better when he went through agencies as then you would get some feedback. Ironically, he got his job via an agency in London for work in Sweden, whereas he said that several years earlier, that would never have happened. It would have been a Swedish agency. So, maybe that is a route to try if you haven't done that already.

Sweden is like any other country. it does have racists and I'm sure that has played its part in a small way, but if I ran a business, I would employ a native unless you had some skill/experience that was hard to get. In fact, my employer told me that exact same thing! So, highlight your uniqueness, your hard to get skills etc and that may improve your situation. I would even over play some of your skills...not exactly lie, but just make them sound better to get your foot in the door. As an immigrant, we have to try harder than a native. An alternative is to search for the most common or niche skills in your job area and do some training either via your company or privately in your own time. If you're a member of a Union, you can get some of the costs repaid back.

Good luck!
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delta76
post 15.Feb.2017, 02:10 PM
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Good points Mib.

I think it's the same anywhere. If you are not fluent in their language, or if you don't understand the culture, that would be a negative in your application. If two applicants are the same in all matters, skills, experience, gratitude, but one can speak fluent Swedish and English, and one with broken Swedish and not so fluent English, who would be called?
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wallace1837
post 15.Feb.2017, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE (delta76 @ 15.Feb.2017, 02:10 PM) *
Good points Mib.I think it's the same anywhere. If you are not fluent in their language, or if you don't understand the culture, that would be a negative in your appli ... (show full quote)

USA and Canada have a roughly one to one ratio. Sweden is 5 to one. Saying "it's the same anywhere" is denying facts.
http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s...st&p=900219
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delta76
post 15.Feb.2017, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 15.Feb.2017, 07:56 PM) *
USA and Canada have a roughly one to one ratio. Sweden is 5 to one. Saying "it's the same anywhere" is denying facts.. http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s...st&p=900219


I'm really tired with you trying to bash Sweden every chance you have. This is the last time I reply to you.

You are comparing orange and apple. The link you posted has nothing to do with this thread.
The point of OP was he/she was denied a job because of his/her origin - assuming that he/she has comparable skills/experiences with other applicants. I pointed out that languages/culture is another hidden factor that he/she did not consider. If he/she is superior in skills/experiences than Sweden-born competitors, enough to fill the gap of languages/culture then there should be no problem finding a job.

If the foreign born people have no comparable skills/experience with Sweden born competitors, they basically stand no chance. Sweden has taken the highest number of refugees per capita, far more than any other country in the list. Those refugees, not all, but a majority, are under-educated, with very few sellable skills, speak broken English and almost no Swedish. What do you think the chance for them to find a job?
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wallace1837
post 16.Feb.2017, 09:59 AM
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Does anyone have access to data where the co factors of education and Swedish born status is compiled along unemployment? I would really like to convince myself of the above hypothesis.

I would also be really curious if the type of permit have an impact on your probability of unemployment. I know it is tricky for primary holder of work permit, because if they lose their job the have to leave rather quickly. It is more about sambo and dependent visa (associated with primary work permit holder) for partners. I would be really curious if their unemployment rate is below the ~20%.

I think this is really useful information to know if your an expat and consider going to Sweden with your partner. If you talk to Swedes they will tell you it is rather easy to get a job (since their unemployment rate is ~5%, comparable to USA and Canada), but the reality of the foreign born in Sweden may be quite different (right now, the only stat I have that closely relate to foreign born is they have a ~20% unemployment rate). http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s...st&p=900219

Once again, it is great that people disagree with each other. A forum is a nice place to do so while collecting data to make informed decisions, or build informed opinion.
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rex
post 10.Jul.2017, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 16.Feb.2017, 10:59 AM) *
Does anyone have access to data where the co factors of education and Swedish born status is compiled along unemployment? I would really like to convince myself of the above h ... (show full quote)


The OECD number is accurate because unemployment rates do not account for those who are studying full-time, which encompasses most refugees without a degree; most of them either have a job or are studying. The unemployment rate represents people who are actively searching for a job.

The estimates for other countries are computed in exactly the same way, so the comparison is valid. Some people don't like the conclusions because they implicate that foreign-born residents in Sweden do not have good access to the labor force, but that is a question for another time.
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