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Moving to Sweden in 2022

Trying to get a toe in with forestry/haulage

TheExpatEagle
post 19.May.2020, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE (JonathanR @ 18.May.2020, 10:58 PM) *
Thank you for your insight - really helpful info. We're in Devon, just north of Exeter and it's essentially a constant traffic jam on roads that were outdated and unfi ... (show full quote)


But if you have a UK licence now then it won't matter what other nationality you have after 31st December you might not be able to simply exchange it for a Swedish one or a German one.

As I say, this is a maybe as none of us know right now.
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JonathanR
post 19.May.2020, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE (Grommet @ 19.May.2020, 04:48 AM) *
It sounds like you have a nice plan to move to Sweden. And the type of work you do definitely fits.You might want to keep an eye on a few things though. Swedens' GDP is se ... (show full quote)


The UK economy is pretty much screwed as well. It's not a good time to be in business anywhere, and I have a bit more confidence in forestry in Sweden than I do here in the UK. Fundamentally, if I'm able to do a good job for a competitive rate, I can't see there being too much of an issue finding work there.

QUOTE (yonisan @ 19.May.2020, 12:42 PM) *
I have lived in Sweden for 9 years and do not find the locals terrible - as others in these forums state. I do not speak Swedish fluently but I try my best and this is apprec ... (show full quote)


I'm glad that you've had such a positive experience. I feel that this would be my experience too. Oddly (for some), but I love winter. The UK has an extended, awful Autumn/wet season and it sucks the soul out of you. I know the last winter was warm for Sweden, but you don't know how lucky you have it. Give me minus 5, a bit of snow and I'm happy.


QUOTE (Gimp @ 19.May.2020, 03:51 PM) *
Op,If traffic jams are what you call chaos, and resistance towards personal freedoms, via consensus culture, Jante, lagom, set you off... then be wary of Sweden and navigating ... (show full quote)


I haven't spent more than a week at a time in Sweden yet. We intend to get there in Autumn to do a road trip to explore a bit more of the area we're looking in.

I am aware that there are cultural differences, but I'm pretty reserved generally, and the mentality there appeals.

My wife is an architect specialising in sustainable design. She's able to do consultancy work remotely.
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JonathanR
post 19.May.2020, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 19.May.2020, 06:41 PM) *
But if you have a UK licence now then it won't matter what other nationality you have after 31st December you might not be able to simply exchange it for a Swedish one or ... (show full quote)


Fair point. I hadn't considered that.
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Grommet
post 20.May.2020, 04:34 AM
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QUOTE (JonathanR @ 20.May.2020, 12:06 AM) *
...Fundamentally, if I'm able to do a good job for a competitive rate, I can't see there being too much of an issue finding work there...

I understand that you would think that, but as you may learn, things don't work that way in Sweden.

In my experience, Swedes will hire a less qualified, known to be lazy Swede, than a more qualified, harder working, more enthusiastic foreigner.

Hard work is not really a thing in Sweden. And in some cases, if you are seen to work harder than the locals, you can really run into problems.

And one other thing to consider. Sweden already has people to do what you are planning to do, many of them. I would suggest to really take a look if more people are needed in the sector you are interested in. And really, to do what you want to do, you'd need to be up north. That's where most if not all the forestry operations are carried out.
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Grommet
post 20.May.2020, 04:37 AM
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QUOTE (skogsbo @ 19.May.2020, 07:00 AM) *
Extremely unlikely. Where have you read that?

I read that in Aftonbladet. I didn't mean it is going to happen now, but it seems to be in the future plans.
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JonathanR
post 20.May.2020, 07:15 AM
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QUOTE (Grommet @ 20.May.2020, 04:34 AM) *
I understand that you would think that, but as you may learn, things don't work that way in Sweden.In my experience, Swedes will hire a less qualified, known to be lazy Sw ... (show full quote)


Southern and Central Sweden has a huge number of sawmills and wood pulp plants. The raw material won't be hauled far, and we'd probably locate ourselves close to mill as they tend to be in areas with a higher forest density.

My specialisation is lower impact forestry. So smaller machines, lighter footprint. Given that Sweden's winters are getting milder too, it precludes the use of heavy machinery for quite a lot of the year on quite a lot of sites, unless a muddy mess is acceptable. My approach is still economically viable, and for many forest owners, a lighter touch is worth a perhaps 10% increased cost of harvesting as it'll pay dividends in reduced ground/tree damage later on.

I understand your sentiment as regards the difficulties experienced by foreigners working in Sweden, but anecdotally, my experience of talking to people in my sector in Sweden, or those that have worked there, is different.
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JonathanR
post 20.May.2020, 07:31 AM
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I also forgot to say that I'm 2.03m tall, with fair hair and blue eyes, so I'll fit right in anyway!! laugh.gif
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skogsbo
post 20.May.2020, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE (Grommet @ 20.May.2020, 04:37 AM) *
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Your posts are full of 20 year old myths and stories.

Employment; fit in and coast along was the sentiment 20 plus years ago. Now many companies owners and middle management are non native Swedes. It's a global market and business only survives if companies are lean and efficient. Rather than not work too hard, a new employee will be shunned if co workers think they aren't pulling their weight, or doing the best for their company.

Where do you work?

Just because folk here value family life and will make sure they finish on time, use all their holidays, don't presume they aren't cracking on a 730 every morning.

Forest. When you come here you'll discover sweden is a long country. 2000ish km. The north really is north and is the last place I'd buy forest. Dalarna which is roughly the middle of sweden would be my limit. But even there, yields are shrinking a long with the price you can sell for, but your machine costs and fuel are the same as in Southern sweden. I've just got the paperwork in for some spruce of ours, average diameter was 33cm and we got 610kr/m3 plus moms, the kind of figures folk in the north dream of.
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JonathanR
post 20.May.2020, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE (skogsbo @ 20.May.2020, 08:11 AM) *
Forest. When you come here you'll discover sweden is a long country. 2000ish km. The north really is north and is the last place I'd buy forest. Dalarna which is rough ... (show full quote)


That's about our limit for going North too. G?vle and no further really.

Is that price the standing price or roadside? If roadside, that' a bit better than I'd expected, if standing, bloody hell!

I'm working on the basis of having a very small machine, averaging 30 cubic metres to roadside a day on a harvesting rate of about 200-230SEK a cube. I think that's entirely feasible and from what I have been told, reasonable for first thinning, especially considering the low ground/tree damage.
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Grommet
post 20.May.2020, 09:07 AM
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OP, have a look at Swedish styled nepotism. Alive and well, as many Swedes (have and) will attest to.

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 20.May.2020, 09:11 AM) *
Just because folk here value family life and will make sure they finish on time, use all their holidays, don't presume they aren't cracking on a 730 every morning.

So someone who gets things going at 07:30 every morning, can't be incompetent, lazy or got the job from "uncle-politics"?

And likewise, don't presume everything is so black and white. But thanks for your "what-about-this/that" approach; very informative.

Your posts, after looking at them going way back, are hopelessly one-sided and rose-tinted. OP, maybe also check out the Swedish "denial-culture". It holds special sway in general in Sweden.

If you're going to move there, you should really do your homework on more than just the job side of things.
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skogsbo
post 20.May.2020, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (JonathanR @ 20.May.2020, 08:28 AM) *
That's about our limit for going North too. G?vle and no further really. Is that price the standing price or roadside? If roadside, that' a bit better than I'd exp ... (show full quote)

That's what the timber companies pay for roadside.

Rough prices now.
Dead and rotten 220kr
Pulp, alive, limited rot 320kr
Special pulp (beetle damage only) upto 400
12cm+ diameter 400kr (called Klein in Swedish)
18cm+ diameter 500-650kr depending on length and diameter.

Prices have been higher, but will no doubt go lower now. Bonus is fuel is 2kr a litre cheaper though. So it's not all bad.

I'll get back to you on your thinning request.. I was trying to get a couple of pics of some very recent first thinning. Picture paints a thousand words and all that.
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skogsbo
post 20.May.2020, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE (Grommet @ 20.May.2020, 09:07 AM) *
OP, have a look at Swedish styled nepotism. Alive and well, as many Swedes (have and) will attest to.So someone who gets things going at 07:30 every morning, can't be inco ... (show full quote)

I understand your anti sweden, you've probably never lived or worked here and you just hate the idea of other people making a success of life in sweden. You prefer to spend your day in negative thoughts, trying to drag everyone down to your level. Your call.

Yeah I'm positive. I make life happen, if peopke come to sweden with a can do attitude, flexible and prepared to graft for the first years then anything is possible. It's incredibly easy to set up a business here.

There are those who don't plan. Don't research. Expect sweden and it's authorities to bend over backwards for them, they won't. But if you do your share of the work then SV MV etc will help you and be problem free.

And don't forget grommet, no one enjoys the company of miserable pessimists.
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yonisan
post 20.May.2020, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE (Grommet @ 20.May.2020, 10:07 AM) *
OP, have a look at Swedish styled nepotism. Alive and well, as many Swedes (have and) will attest to.So someone who gets things going at 07:30 every morning, can't be inco ... (show full quote)


This is just bullshit as I posted earlier my swedish is not perfect and I have had no issues with making an excellent life here for myself. The first company I worked for were a little uneasy about my lack of language skills however by the time I moved they were unhappy - they had helped me with my Swedish and I had helped them be more confident in English - really necessary when the language of the company (top 500) is English.

I then moved to run a services department of which just under half are not native with varying degrees of Swedish from excellent to understands but doesn't speak - everyone helps each other, I have people who are not comfortable speaking English and I have people who are not comfortable speaking Swedish - there is no division.

As for not wanting to work - again rubbish. Most of my team start earlier rather than later - they show up to the office from 0630 onwards (normal hours are 0800 to 1630) - I spend a lot of my time trying to get my teams to take their flextime back and most employees write some off at the end of each year.

Nepotism is also not what you can read about either any more - international companies really want the best person for the job these days, they do not care if you are native born or not (as long as you qualify for a work permit.

I do not know whether yeou have lived in Sweden or if you are just a troll - i am leaning towards troll.
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Gimp
post 20.May.2020, 04:11 PM
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Gimp
post 20.May.2020, 04:15 PM
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