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intrepidfox
post 10.Oct.2013, 07:36 PM
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Why should we pay for the TV licence when Freddy Reinfeldt doesn´t. Another misuse of power. This man should set an example. Not evade

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2122018...o-och-tv-avgift
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Lata
post 11.Oct.2013, 08:12 AM
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Tv licence is an use for the politicians and profit for the govt channels. Actually this main intention is quality of the programme but programmes are only ….. I would be prefer to quality of the channels but i do not prefer to specific for persons.
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Ivor stephé
post 11.Oct.2013, 09:29 AM
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If this story is pursued in the press, I would think it that it will be very hard for the government to make any changes regarding Radiotjänst for the better. Which I have a sneaky suspicion that has been the reason behind this story. I would suspect that there are many exemptions that governmental employees and state workers are covered for as it would be seen as a waste of the publics money.

This year we have rather a few stories in the press regarding the TV fee, and what many people see as a outdated law that is too loose in its definitions.

I have believed that the current system will be scrapped and a tax based system would replace it. Spelling the end to Radiotjänst. Or at last another system.

Now if Radiotjänst knew or believed that the current government was going to dissolve the company, and with the elections looming closely. Then exposing such a scandal, could be a weak attempt to gain political backing from other parties in an attempt to keep Radiotjänst open in the future, and appealing to other parties to help keep it open. Which would be all fine and well, if it wasn't funded by the fee payers.

And thats the issue, if a new system to pay for the TV fee is suggested. And is better value for licence payers as well as being more fair in its definition. We could then see this being scrapped simply because of political games.

This is all speculation, I know.
But given the strong voice that has come out from this company in the past, and the interpretations that the company often hide behind. I do believe that if any government was to look to close down this company it would be met with numerous attempts (even dirty tricks) to keep it open.
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dave.smith
post 11.Oct.2013, 09:51 AM
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Interesting theory, Ivor.

I've never had any issue with paying, but I know tons of people who just don't let Radiotjänst in, and try to dodge them. I always chide people that do this, because the reality is it's not a lot of money, and we are extremely lucky to have such balanced communications in this country. I can tell you that it's WAY better than most countries.

You may not like SVT, but at least it's not comparitively biased or an obviously controlled mouthpiece.

I feel that Swedish media including SVT is balanced, fair, non discriminatory and informative. It's not the most Earth shattering programming around, but I am glad it's available to people who can't afford private services... It could be a lot worse, you know. Those people could end up with something similar to Spanish TV, and end up like that particular demographic in Spain.

I don't support calls from people wanting to do away with for example BBC, or SVT. Private service comes at the cost of impartiality - I'd rather have Swedish government interference in programming than commercial interest interference to be quite frank, since at least there is some kind of transparency in the public sector.
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AgeOfReason
post 13.Oct.2013, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 10.Oct.2013, 08:36 PM) *
Why should we pay for the TV licence when Freddy Reinfeldt doesn´t. Another misuse of power. This man should set an example.

This is just a classic example of how the center-left journalists (media) in Sweden is showing how it is determined to paint as bad a picture of the current government in the run up to the next election to get them out. Twisting facts, making it look like someone/ministers are cheating without explaining nor checking the real facts.

Another classic example was with regards the Aid monies used to pay salaries, that is common practise across the majority of western governments, it is how they can claim high state aid and how wonderful they are. Many embassies and foreign missions etc.. are paid for by so-called aid budgets. If I remember correctly Switzerland classes almost all of it's embassies costs as foreign aid. Such facts that are the norm are ignored by the center-left media and twisted at a swedish level to make them look like underhand methods! There will be much more of this during the next few months.
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Ivor stephé
post 13.Oct.2013, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE (AgeOfReason @ 13.Oct.2013, 10:39 AM) *
This is just a classic example of how the center-left journalists (media) in Sweden is showing how it is determined to paint as bad a picture of the current government in the ... (show full quote)

Are you referring to organisations like SVT ?
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AgeOfReason
post 14.Oct.2013, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (Ivor stephé @ 11.Oct.2013, 10:29 AM) *
Now if Radiotjänst knew or believed that the current government was going to dissolve the company, and with the elections looming closely. Then exposing such a scandal, could ... (show full quote)

Not sure what planet you have been on, but this is exactly what was proposed some time ago by the current government and shift to an additional charge on the declaration ring-fenced for public broadcasting be introduced. This was met immediately by the other parties that they could not support the closure of Radiotjänst due to the job losses in Kiruna (mainly women out of the 200+ workers there). The proposal was dropped once it was clear that a vote in parliament would be lost. It was after that that Radiotjänst then started the offensive against Internet + device users to catch the ones that dont already have a license... The timing of this latest thing is more in line with the offensive against the current government in the run up to the election.

QUOTE (Ivor stephé @ 13.Oct.2013, 03:07 PM) *
Are you referring to organisations like SVT ?

Wise-up, there are more center-left and left-wing journalists in Sweden than right. Of-course the news is biased.
SVT can maintain it's impartiality indirectly by reporting on what is already termed news by the lefties via the daily newspapers ...without elaborating on the details already described.
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Ivor stephé
post 14.Oct.2013, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE (AgeOfReason @ 14.Oct.2013, 11:39 AM) *
Not sure what planet you have been on, but this is exactly what was proposed some time ago by the current government and shift to an additional charge on the declaration ring- ... (show full quote)

Suspicion and fact are two very separate issues.

QUOTE (AgeOfReason @ 14.Oct.2013, 11:39 AM) *
Wise-up, there are more center-left and left-wing journalists in Sweden than right. Of-course the news is biased.SVT can maintain it's impartiality indirectly by reporting ... (show full quote)

I dont believe the media is centre left as portrayed, more so centre national in terms of trying to adhere to a perceived cultural definition. Through years of a combination of socialism and nationalism. Obviously the far right may claim this, but they often share very similar views, but are desperate for power but not willing to identify faults to fix them as they are driven by the desire for control in the same way.

The centre right has no value in Sweden as it existence or recognition of such has been taught for years as being a threat to Sweden, society and most importantly individual identity. And since they often play second fiddle with much of the same ideology as that they oppose, we see a closed eco system where the only threat to Sweden is this continued claims of democracy.

Replacing a half assed government with a energetic lunatic wont equate to any greater clarity or democratic freedom.
Sweden is no different in its foundations regarding to nationalism and identity through politics as countries like Israel.
Both built on the same engine.
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oddsock
post 14.Oct.2013, 01:58 PM
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Radiotjänst called me yesterday. I used to talk to them but now I hang up.

Kind of weird how they get their hands on my mobile phone number.
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Opalnera
post 14.Oct.2013, 02:52 PM
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They got us a couple of months ago, on mobile too. Husband was stupid enough to talk to them and now they ask if you have computers or smart phones and make you pay.
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intrepidfox
post 14.Oct.2013, 07:57 PM
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This topic has bugger all to do with if who should pay the licence, leftie press etc.

Reinfeldt did not pay his licence. Radiotjänst demands that he should. The politicians make the laws but do not follow them. Come on even Reinfeldt can afford to pay as we others do
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AgeOfReason
post 14.Oct.2013, 10:58 PM
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Actually it does, since the facts of the matter is that this is not an argument between radiotjänst and the prime minister, but a legal argument between the Government Offices of Sweden and Radiotjänst. The government offices maintain that a prime minister is always on duty 24x7 and the "employer" (the state) provides via Government Offices of Sweden all technical devices for information and therefore the tv in the state owned property is actually covered by the tv-license that the state itself indeed pays, just like your computer/phone that is used at/for work is covered by your employer. And this has been the situation for quite a long time, many many years.

So why is the article twisted to specifically say that Reinfeldt doest pay his tv license? ...indeed many past Prime Ministers haven't paid the license for the tv in the state owned property ...and the timing of such article, plus the fact that the information actually reached the press?

Reinfeldt was not asked to pay for the license, and currently is advised not to by Government Offices of Sweden until the legal issue is sorted out.

Just another example of twisting facts to present a headline targeting the current government implying that it's members are cheating the system, when indeed they are following protocol, process and prevailing accepted norms supported and advised by the civil service lawyers.

In fact, if it turns out that Radiotjänst is correct and the Prime Minister personally should pay tv-license there is good chance that it will be back dated to previous prime ministers also that may not have paid either biggrin.gif
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Ivor stephé
post 15.Oct.2013, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE (AgeOfReason @ 14.Oct.2013, 09:58 PM) *
plus the fact that the information actually reached the press?Just another example of twisting facts to present a headline targeting the current government implying that it ... (show full quote)

This is the problem I have with this story.
As it goes further than looking to catch out people that disagree with Radiotjänst.

As by releasing specific personal information regarding a persons identity and trying to link it to a crime which hasn't been proven or even taken to court to be judged.

And while I agree in part that the media are in part aiding such dirty tricks.
Its not the media that is to blame on reporting on information they feel is important for the public.
But the source of the information and the position it holds via its authority.

The government need to shut down the Radiotjänst.
As it's own existence threatens the very moral core that its supposed to protect.

I personally would like to see a tax introduced, on similar grounds to that of the UK.
Where devices are not judged on their ability to view live content, but based on actual crime (Such as viewing content without paid consent).
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intrepidfox
post 15.Oct.2013, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE (AgeOfReason @ 14.Oct.2013, 10:58 PM) *
Actually it does, since the facts of the matter is that this is not an argument between radiotjänst and the prime minister, but a legal argument between the Government Office ... (show full quote)

I agree with many things that you have stated but shouldn´t the leader of the country show a good example to the citizens and just pay like a normal person
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AgeOfReason
post 15.Oct.2013, 12:46 PM
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A normal person that has equipment that is for work purposes is covered by the tv-license for that equipment purchased by their employer. This is directly what it is about. So, currently the Prime Minister was advised, as were the other previous Prime Ministers, that the equipment is covered by the Government Offices of Sweden tv-license. He has said himself that if the legal discussions between Radiotjänst and the Government Offices show that their advice to the Prime Minister was incorrect then he will indeed rectify the situation by paying. He is doing what normal people would do.
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