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Shooting in Tucson

Was judge the target?

Garry Jones
post 9.Jan.2011, 04:18 AM
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This reminded me of the Anna Lind stabbing, Terrible scenes on the TV tonight. Largely ignored in Sweden but CNN and Sky have been running it all night.

Does anyone think that the dead judge - John Roll - was the target. The BBC say not...

"The dead judge was named by officials as John Roll, who had spend more than 40 year on the federal bench. It is not thought that he was deliberately targeted."

But on Judgepedia...

" In 2009, Judge Roll faced death threats after presiding over a $32 million civil-rights lawsuit. The lawsuit was filed by illegal immigrants against an Arizona rancher. After Judge Roll ruled that the case would be certified, threats came from talk-radio shows which fueled controversy and spurred audiences into making threats against the judge."

http://judgepedia.org/index.php/John_Roll

Surprised that has not been picked up. The guy had had recent death threats, it would suggest that the other victims were just caught in the middle. Or?
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anticommie
post 9.Jan.2011, 04:48 AM
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Just for your info, the kid was a registered democrat and into communist writings.
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High Priestess Kang - Slu...
post 9.Jan.2011, 05:15 AM
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QUOTE (anticommie @ 8.Jan.2011, 10:48 PM) *
Just for your info, the kid was a registered democrat and into communist writings.


Source, please. It is my understanding that he is a registered independent.
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High Priestess Kang - Slu...
post 9.Jan.2011, 05:17 AM
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QUOTE (Garry Jones @ 8.Jan.2011, 10:18 PM) *
This reminded me of the Anna Lind stabbing, Terrible scenes on the TV tonight. Largely ignored in Sweden but CNN and Sky have been running it all night.Does anyone think that ... (show full quote)


The first thing that popped into my mind was the Anna Lindh stabbing.

As of 23.16, est, it doesn't appear that the judge was the target. Apparently Giffords was having a meet and greet of sorts. I'm still not sure how Giffords and the judge ended up in the same place at the same time, though.

What tomorrow brings will be interesting. Particularly in regard to the second suspect.
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Vetinari
post 9.Jan.2011, 05:42 AM
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QUOTE (anticommie @ 9.Jan.2011, 03:48 AM) *
Just for your info, the kid was a registered democrat and into communist writings.


As well as Mein Kampf, Animal Farm, Brave New World according to himself. A fairly politically 'balanced' reading.

EDIT: A bit more on the shooter:

"The most illustrative window is [the shooter's] YouTube account, which appears to be hub of anti-government zealotry, obsession over currency and language standards, and, to put it bluntly, outright paranoia."

Now from where have we seen the similar rhetoric lately? It sure is not from the American left...

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/j...ed-lee-loughner
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Vetinari
post 9.Jan.2011, 08:42 AM
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And here we go: Inspired by the teaparty movement and sara palin: http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2011/01/a...er-charged.html

Like there was ever any doubt...
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Roger O. Thornhill
post 9.Jan.2011, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE (Vetinari @ 9.Jan.2011, 09:42 AM) *
And here we go: Inspired by the teaparty movement and sara palin: http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2011/01/a...er-charged.html. Like there was ever any doubt...



Where is your support for your accusation? A link to a blog? No legitimate source.

There are very little actual facts out there although a picture is developing of a nutcase.

Here is a lesson for you. Anytime there is a shooting tragedy like this or a bombing, many in the media, as they are prone to do will through innuendo try to link any shooting like this to supporters of the US Constitution. This pattern repeats itself consistently and just as dependable it is not anyone they would like you to believe it is.

One has to be an educated reader of the American Press.

Any idiot can post a blog. Any idiot in the "ligitimate press" can post "it has been reported by unnamed sources close to the situation... yada yada and not have a shred of evidence.

For example, during the past week, if bloggers and some so-called "legitimate press" are to be believed the following person(s) is the next coach at UM:

Jim Harbaugh (oops turned UM down to become coach of SF 49s)
Pat Fitzgerald (oops turned UM down to remain at Northwestern)
Les Miles (oops claims was never contacted by UM)
Brady Hoke (wants job, UM doesn't want him apparently)

and the list will eventually continue.

Perhaps it is different in your country.
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007
post 9.Jan.2011, 11:59 AM
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i also thought about anna lind. i also thought that while it was tragic that she was killed by an assassin it was she alone who was killed and/or injured. in arizona, i'd presume only one of the actual 18+ victims (whether dead or injured) was the actual target...so 17+ others (and then their families and loved ones, including a 9-year old child, )suffer the consequences of anyone over 22 with a cleared FBI record owning, possessing and transporting a gun --legally. yay for freedoms right?

maybe he was just defending himself from a potential rapist in sweden and was angry he couldn't buy pepper spray.
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MrHappy7
post 9.Jan.2011, 12:12 PM
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The BBC reported that Jared Loughner, the 'principal suspect', "reportedly posted a series of rambling messages on a social networking website" (my italics)

Creepy.
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Nemesis
post 9.Jan.2011, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE (Garry Jones @ 9.Jan.2011, 04:18 AM) *
This reminded me of the Anna Lind stabbing, Terrible scenes on the TV tonight. Largely ignored in Sweden but CNN and Sky have been running it all night.Does anyone think that ... (show full quote)



The Target was Congresswoman Giffords.

She has been shot in the head.

QUOTE (anticommie @ 9.Jan.2011, 04:48 AM) *
Just for your info, the kid was a registered democrat and into communist writings.


Wrong.

The shooter was a registered independant and a fanatical fan of Sarah Palin.

Some of what he put on the net before it was taken down really gave away his mentality. He was nuts.
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cogito
post 9.Jan.2011, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE (Nemesis @ 9.Jan.2011, 12:32 PM) *
He was nuts.

He was also a militant atheist.
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osamasson_binladinberg
post 9.Jan.2011, 01:32 PM
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Sarah Palin has executed her first FATWA!!!
Who were the others on her published bulls eye list? they should be very worried. How do you think terrorists are grommed? Well its by constantly hearing dangerous rehtoric , now Sarah and co have got takers, lets hope there are no more out there willing to do the bulls eye and shoot more people from her list in the head.
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Jamtjim
post 9.Jan.2011, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE
He was also a militant atheist.


Source please.
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Nemesis
post 9.Jan.2011, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE (osamasson_binladinberg @ 9.Jan.2011, 01:32 PM) *
Sarah Palin has executed her first FATWA!!!Who were the others on her published bulls eye list? they should be very worried. How do you think terrorists are gromme ... (show full quote)



There is about 20 congressional seats on that hit list.

Here is a link to Sarah palin's hitlist on her facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=373854973434

It does look a lot like a Fatwa.
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cogito
post 9.Jan.2011, 02:31 PM
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She is talking about VOTING them out of office. Normal people, non-nut jobs, understand this is just political campaign rhetoric. Much like Obama's:
‘We’re gonna punish our enemies." Or
"If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun"

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/o...we-bring-a-gun/
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